Does India play better without Virat Kohli in Tests?

[Mobashir]

So India has leveled the series by playing some very good cricket... And Kohli was not playing.

Not the first time happening. Last time india has a tough series at home was against Australia in that Smith series, and Kohli was absent in the 4th test and India won it.
Same happened here in a crucial match.

Thinking about it I remembered him also not playing in the Asia cup that India won comfortably.

Where as, when he is the main guy, India seem to loose most important matches: 2015 and 19 semi final, 17 champions trophy final, test matches in England, SA, NZ...

 

[Mamoon]

Of course. Who wouldn’t play better without one of the greatest batsmen of all time who also has the most Test wins in history for an Asian captain.

We talk a lot about the lack of intelligence and cricket IQ of our players, but I think we also need to focus on the fans as well.

 

[Mobashir]

Of course. Who wouldn’t play better without one of the greatest batsmen of all time who also has the most Test wins in history for an Asian captain.

We talk a lot about the lack of intelligence and cricket IQ of our players, but I think we also need to focus on the fans as well.

It's not become you claim it that it's true.

Thing is him being in the team as a leader might not be the best thing for the team.

Him being india's best batsman and one of the best in the world is unquestionable.
The question is about his leadership, his presence in the team, his choices in the playing XI and also on the field.

 

[Mesozoic]

Of course. Who wouldn’t play better without one of the greatest batsmen of all time who also has the most Test wins in history for an Asian captain.

We talk a lot about the lack of intelligence and cricket IQ of our players, but I think we also need to focus on the fans as well.

OP is a toxic Babar f@nboy who lives in his own Cuckoo land. Makes some of the most ridiculously funny claims to bring Kohli down and force Babar above him.

And ofcourse....fails laughably.

 

[Ab Fan]

If India plays better even without Kohli, then it tells us about the character of that team, they showed up fight even without their best batsman. It doesn't tell us anything about Kohli. Give the credit where due.

 

[King_Kohli]

Already some posters bashing Kohli for silly reasons with agenda.
You opened separate thread, lets celebrate like never before.

 

[Mobashir]

If India plays better even without Kohli, then it tells us about the character of that team, they showed up fight even without their best batsman. It doesn't tell us anything about Kohli. Give the credit where due.

This was the point. They played beautifully and it's why I also mentionned the test in India as it was the hardest series for India at home.

This Melbourne win for India is a great one and they deserve praise for it.

 

[Hyperion66]

Thinking about it I remembered him also not playing in the Asia cup that India won comfortably.
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We could send any of our domestic side and would still probably win Asia Cup

 

[Hyperion66]

Kohli is tremendously unlucky, I lost count how many times he almost batted us to victory in SENA but got zero support from the other bats. If he had received a bit of support from the other end we could have won in SA and drawn in Eng or at least made it 3-2.

 

[Hasan123]

OP will do anything to downplay India. Really hard to take him serious when comes to judging anything Indian due to this.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Maybe they do, but that doesn't really matter since Kohli is their best batsman and indispensible.

 

[Mamoon]

It's not become you claim it that it's true.

Thing is him being in the team as a leader might not be the best thing for the team.

Him being india's best batsman and one of the best in the world is unquestionable.
The question is about his leadership, his presence in the team, his choices in the playing XI and also on the field.

Your premise is so ludicrous that you will have to come up with a lot of mental gymnastics to get yourself out of this self-created tangle.

Under Kohli, India have been the number one ranked team for 4 years (longest reign at the top in 2010 decade) and Kohli has won 33 Tests, which are the most by any Asian captain.

You can downplay that achievement all you want and write stories about how captains with less than half of Kohli’s wins were much better leaders, but Kohli’s status as the most successful Asian captain by number of wins and by time spent at the top of rankings cannot be challenged by any objective metric.

Moreover, if what you are saying is true, i.e. India plays better without Kohli, then perhaps you would agree that this Indian side would have won in England, South Africa and New Zealand if it wasn’t for Kohli’s poor leadership, negative presence and poor selection of players.

If that is the case, then you are implying that this Indian team is potential wise on par with the great Australia and West Indies, because that is where this Indian team would be placed if they had won in England, South Africa and New Zealand in addition to the success that they have had.

However, at the same time, you have also tried to convince us in other threads that this Indian is overrated.

Looks like India’s unexpected comeback at the MCG has jolted our fans to such an extent that they have completely lost grip of their senses.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

You are crazy.. So you want to bench out arguably one of the best player in the world because you have clearly some sort of hatred towards him. Could it be because he will always be a greater and more impactful bat then Babar Azam will ever be in his life, no disrespect to Babar who is a good batsmen in test matches.

What about all those matches he has won, like in SA, England with his centuries.
You clearly don't have the cricketing IQ to discuss these things so just stop talking about Kohli for a while.

 

[TheRock]

Actually, OP has a point. Kohli is a great batsman but a great batsman does not necessarily make a great captain. India hv not won a single ICC event under kohli's captaincy. Also, kohli usually chokes in crucial Knock out matches of icc tournaments. Could be due to captaincy pressure. IMO, kohli should continue to play only as a batsman. (He can play more freely) Someone else could take captaincy.

 

[MP2011]

What a laugh worthy thread!

 

[MP2011]

Didn't know that we were so good that we become better without the player of this decade playing for us!

 

[tyron_woodley]

Kohli the captain has been poor at times.

Kohli the player is indeed one of the best ever and yes india abaslutelt need him and would be far stronger with him in the side.

Kohli if he din't get runout looked like he was getting a ton in the first match. Could have single handedly won India the game at the time.

Rahane is the better captain as he is more of a people's champion leader. He has good interpersonal skills which Kohli lacks.

 

[pillionrider]

The MCG victory will be soon forgotten if we continue to play test cricket without Kohli. Whether as captain, is a question up for plenty of debate. Other than that, nothing more to add.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

The greatest Asian captain couldn't win a single IPL title in 10 years for his side. That explains how great a leader he is.

Indian players look a lot more composed and determined with Kohli not around. It's the fact.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We need virat kohli the batsman who is a 100 % focused only on his batting and nothing else. The kohli era must end for India to move forward.

 

[King Kong]

OP is right actually. Indian fans who have been following Indian cricket and IPL for years hold the same view. With Kohli as captain, there is so much toxic influence on his teammates with his antics, negativity, body language, fakeness. As a result, his teammates are not playing to their full potential, costing at least 100 runs to the side per innings on average. If Kohli were not playing, his replacement might give you 30 runs on average vs Kohli with his 50 runs. So his replacement would cost 20 runs less to the team, but in terms of net total, the team is losing much more. So I agree with OP that India is better off without having such toxic character as captain.

 

[Varun]

Kohli as captain I realize now is pretty expendable. Especially as selector.

As a batsman we can't do without him.

 

[tyron_woodley]

OP is right actually. Indian fans who have been following Indian cricket and IPL for years hold the same view. With Kohli as captain, there is so much toxic influence on his teammates with his antics, negativity, body language, fakeness. As a result, his teammates are not playing to their full potential, costing at least 100 runs to the side per innings on average. If Kohli were not playing, his replacement might give you 30 runs on average vs Kohli with his 50 runs. So his replacement would cost 20 runs less to the team, but in terms of net total, the team is losing much more. So I agree with OP that India is better off without having such toxic character as captain.

You still need Kohli the player.

 

[tyron_woodley]

So Marcus Harris and Shaun Marsh played better than Smith. So get rid of Steve Smith lol?

 

[JaDed]

Maybe without Kohli the selector.. because in this match we played without Ishant, Shami and they both are needed..

 

[Ab Fan]

This was the point. They played beautifully and it's why I also mentionned the test in India as it was the hardest series for India at home.

This Melbourne win for India is a great one and they deserve praise for it.

For a start, Kohli should give up T20 captaincy to Rohit.

 

[MP2011]

Kohli as captain I realize now is pretty expendable. Especially as selector.

As a batsman we can't do without him.

Kohli as a captain has been expendable for years now. Ideally he should not have been leading us after last WC debacle.

 

[Mahee]

Indian fans should be eternally grateful for Kohli's upcoming son/daughter.... it's only because of that child, kohli had to go back to India and we won the match .... Thank you child.

 

[Proactive_]

OP is right actually. Indian fans who have been following Indian cricket and IPL for years hold the same view. With Kohli as captain, there is so much toxic influence on his teammates with his antics, negativity, body language, fakeness. As a result, his teammates are not playing to their full potential, costing at least 100 runs to the side per innings on average. If Kohli were not playing, his replacement might give you 30 runs on average vs Kohli with his 50 runs. So his replacement would cost 20 runs less to the team, but in terms of net total, the team is losing much more. So I agree with OP that India is better off without having such toxic character as captain.

This.

Not to mention the Kumble fiasco and some of the most biased team selections you'll ever see. He dropped Pujara once on the pretext of not showing "enough intent" even though he was averaging in the late 40s/ early 50s. Says it all really.

 

[RajBan]

OP has a point. Kohli has seriously underachieved as a captain given the resources and talent at his disposal. His team selection is a serious weak point that defies logic and application. While he compensates on the batting front, the damage done on field is more than enough to deny the team more glory that they should have had with a better captain.

 

[Rightarmfast]

So India has leveled the series by playing some very good cricket... And Kohli was not playing.

Not the first time happening. Last time india has a tough series at home was against Australia in that Smith series, and Kohli was absent in the 4th test and India won it.
Same happened here in a crucial match.

Thinking about it I remembered him also not playing in the Asia cup that India won comfortably.

Where as, when he is the main guy, India seem to loose most important matches: 2015 and 19 semi final, 17 champions trophy final, test matches in England, SA, NZ...

Excellent point. Kohli the batsman is formidable, but Kohli the captain needs a lot of learning. Ask any Bangalorean and they will say the same. People who are mocking the OP need to remind themselves of exactly which young batsman or player has flourished under Kohli? He landed on a goldmine, a team which had Ishant, Shami and Bumrah. None of them made their debut under him.Look at any player who has made debut under Kohli, and you will find they have never been given enough time. The latest players who we could talk about are Shubhman Gill and Siraj. Siraj was bowling at his best in 2018, yet never given a chance. Shaw was preferred for some strange reason, even though Gill had performed well in the practise match, for the 1st test.
His omission of Shami in the WC match against NZ was one of the reasons we lost the match. That was a disaster.
I am not sure if he maintains his cool inside the dressing room. His histrionics are liked by a lot, but that behaviour comes across as toxic and definitely has had a negative impact on players performance.

With Rahane as the captain, players seem to be relaxed and ready to express themselves. High time we say bye to Kohli the captain.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Kohli believes in seniority. Seniority over merit. So that's why experienced players will always be preferred. Sad but that's his way of thinking. It's backward and that's why Kohli is flawed as captain.

 

[MP2011]

Kohli is a horrible tactician and even more horrible team selector. Some of his selections in crucial games have been directly responsible for us losing those games.

Earlier he is replaced by Rahane in tests and Rohit in LoIs as captain, better it is for Indian cricket. We need him firing on all cylinders as a specialist batsman.

Imagine him batting for us as a batsman alone a la Tendulkar did after his second stint as our captain ended as a disaster with 0-2 defeat against SA at home.

 

[MP2011]

However knowing him for over a decade now, I know his ego will never allow him to leave captaincy for lesser mortals like Rahane. Being captain of India in all 3 formats greatly enhances his brand value, why will he surrender that chance?

He has to be sacked as our captain and knowing how spineless BCCI has been ever since Dhoni took over, it's not difficult to conclude that it's beyond their aukaat to sack Kohli as our captain.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Not for nothing has kohli been selected as the icc player of the decade and also captain of the decade he is the only one to feature in all 3 teams..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

However knowing him for over a decade now, I know his ego will never allow him to leave captaincy for lesser mortals like Rahane. Being captain of India in all 3 formats greatly enhances his brand value, why will he surrender that chance?

He has to be sacked as our captain and knowing how spineless BCCI has been ever since Dhoni took over, it's not difficult to conclude that it's beyond their aukaat to sack Kohli as our captain.

He's a horrible batting leader as well. Is destroying our batting trying to fix things that aren't broken and Shastri is aiding him very nicely in this process. Dude needs to be stripped of all his powers and play as a regular and we need a coach who can change our approach while batting in SENA. Pakistani fans criticise Arthur and Flower non-stop but i'd take them over trash like Shastri in a heartbeat as long as we have a captain willing to listen. Our batting is failing every other tour thanks to Kohli's ego.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Excellent point. Kohli the batsman is formidable, but Kohli the captain needs a lot of learning. Ask any Bangalorean and they will say the same. People who are mocking the OP need to remind themselves of exactly which young batsman or player has flourished under Kohli? He landed on a goldmine, a team which had Ishant, Shami and Bumrah. None of them made their debut under him.Look at any player who has made debut under Kohli, and you will find they have never been given enough time. The latest players who we could talk about are Shubhman Gill and Siraj. Siraj was bowling at his best in 2018, yet never given a chance. Shaw was preferred for some strange reason, even though Gill had performed well in the practise match, for the 1st test.
His omission of Shami in the WC match against NZ was one of the reasons we lost the match. That was a disaster.
I am not sure if he maintains his cool inside the dressing room. His histrionics are liked by a lot, but that behaviour comes across as toxic and definitely has had a negative impact on players performance.

With Rahane as the captain, players seem to be relaxed and ready to express themselves. High time we say bye to Kohli the captain.

I'm a Bangalorean but really anyone with half a brain should see the toxic nature of his captaincy and why that has prevented this team from progressing especially in terms of batting. Gives al kinds of pathetic excuses, when the batting fails, about tosses and being outplayed for only a session etc. when it's clear that Indian batting has serious issues with regards to their approach in SENA countries. Worst part is, he and Shastri think practice matches are unnecesasary )

 

[Hyperion66]

So Marcus Harris and Shaun Marsh played better than Smith. So get rid of Steve Smith lol?

I did not read all the replies but if anyone questioning Kohli's place in the team as a player then that guy needs to get his head checked ASAP.

 

[mystical man]

Didn't know that we were so good that we become better without the player of this decade playing for us!

No one is asking him to be dropped but removed from captaincy as he is tactically inept and not a thinking captain

 

[Mobashir]

He is back as captain and so does India's poor performances!

Don't change him.

 

[Mamoon]

He is back as captain and so does India's poor performances!

Don't change him.

33 Test wins as captain, more than any Asian captain in history and 19 more than the man in your picture.

Longest reign at the top of the rankings for any Asian team ever.

This is only the second home Test loss for India under Kohli’s captaincy, a legendary reign that started in 2015.

Your definition for “poor performances” is quite comical.

 

[Rafa]

Bad luck for India

 

[jiduguravindra]

He is back as captain and so does India's poor performances!

Don't change him.

We need him as a batsmen but to over captaincy no one is consistent enough. Rohit, rahane both are weak links in this lineup.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Two back to back humiliating defeats for Captain Kohli.

 

[RamLakhan]

33 Test wins as captain, more than any Asian captain in history and 19 more than the man in your picture.

Longest reign at the top of the rankings for any Asian team ever.

This is only the second home Test loss for India under Kohli’s captaincy, a legendary reign that started in 2015.

Your definition for “poor performances” is quite comical.

33 Test Wins is because of Jadeja+Ashwin combo & the 3 pacers who used the old ball so well + Pujara. Kohli the captain (and even the batsman) were mere passengers in this voyage!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We need him as a batsmen but to over captaincy no one is consistent enough. Rohit, rahane both are weak links in this lineup.

Ashwin still has 2-3 years of cricket left in him and he is very intelligent. Won't mind him as a captain especially after he has improved himself in away games.

 

[Mobashir]

Ashwin still has 2-3 years of cricket left in him and he is very intelligent. Won't mind him as a captain especially after he has improved himself in away games.

Probably the smartest asian cricketer going around. So he might make a good capitan.

Tough I am not sure about his bowling in overseas conditions yet.

 

[Mamoon]

33 Test Wins is because of Jadeja+Ashwin combo & the 3 pacers who used the old ball so well + Pujara. Kohli the captain (and even the batsman) were mere passengers in this voyage!

India has always had excellent spinners. The real difference was the fast bowling culture that Kohli developed.

The lack of respect for the leadership of Kohli and Shastri is embarrassing. I can understand the jealously of Pakistani fans, but to also see Indians take credit away from them is most disappointing.

 

[subshakerz]

33 Test wins as captain, more than any Asian captain in history and 19 more than the man in your picture.

Longest reign at the top of the rankings for any Asian team ever.

This is only the second home Test loss for India under Kohli’s captaincy, a legendary reign that started in 2015.

Your definition for “poor performances” is quite comical.

He has lost four matches on the trot as captain. That is poor for a team that is supposed to be no.1

 

[MP2011]

He has lost four matches on the trot as captain. That is poor for a team that is supposed to be no.1

Really poor! And we have been thrashed really badly in all those 4 tests.

 

[subshakerz]

Kohli is a good captain, but it is clear that while he has improved certain aspects of India's performance (building the fast bowling unit, home record, etc.), India still underachieves under his captaincy when under pressure. He is a fine captain when his team is on top and securing their bases.

Kohli in a sense overawes the others in his stature, and the team can be seen to be on edge and less relaxed, which costs them at key moments in several games. There is no chance that Kohli's style of captaincy would have won in Australia after losing the first test.

Here is an excellent article comparing Kohli's and Rahane's styles of management. Makes a lot of sense.

https://www.deccanherald.com/sports...oded-the-saga-of-rahane-and-kohli-942717.html

 

[iiqbal]

India only play good if other country team have IPL Player.

 

[MP2011]

Kohli didn't bat even once since 36 AO and that was what 2 months ago? Ideally, he should've played in Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy (albeit T20s only). But no, that would have seriously hurt his elephant sized ego to play against mere mortals.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Kohli is a good captain, but it is clear that while he has improved certain aspects of India's performance (building the fast bowling unit, home record, etc.), India still underachieves under his captaincy when under pressure. He is a fine captain when his team is on top and securing their bases.

Kohli in a sense overawes the others in his stature, and the team can be seen to be on edge and less relaxed, which costs them at key moments in several games. There is no chance that Kohli's style of captaincy would have won in Australia after losing the first test.

Here is an excellent article comparing Kohli's and Rahane's styles of management. Makes a lot of sense.

https://www.deccanherald.com/sports...oded-the-saga-of-rahane-and-kohli-942717.html

Brilliant article buddy. Post it as text here if you can.

People need to read this.

 

[MP2011]

Though he didn't name Shahbaz Nadeem or Washington Sundar, captain Virat Kohli said after India's 227-run defeat to England in the first Test in Chennai that their back-up bowling options to the two quicks and R Ashwin had left a fair bit to be desired. "I don't think we put enough pressure with the ball," he said, and that "our body language and our intensity wasn't up to the mark".

"Collectively, as a bowling unit, I think the fast bowlers and Ash [Ashwin] was pretty good in the first innings but then we needed, probably, all the bowlers to contain a few more runs, create enough pressure,"

 

[MP2011]

No wonder, Kohli is a pathetic captain. Laying into Washy & Nadeem for our poor show in this test? Not a word on himself, Rahane or Rohit?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Though he didn't name Shahbaz Nadeem or Washington Sundar, captain Virat Kohli said after India's 227-run defeat to England in the first Test in Chennai that their back-up bowling options to the two quicks and R Ashwin had left a fair bit to be desired. "I don't think we put enough pressure with the ball," he said, and that "our body language and our intensity wasn't up to the mark".

"Collectively, as a bowling unit, I think the fast bowlers and Ash [Ashwin] was pretty good in the first innings but then we needed, probably, all the bowlers to contain a few more runs, create enough pressure,"

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...-create-enough-pressure-with-the-ball-1250834

Perfect. )

Such inspirational leadership.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Kohli's captaincy was as bad as Nadeems bowling but players cant say that aloud can they...

Shastri will eat them alive

 

[Pakhs]

Kohli is not the best captain in the Indian sqaud but he is the appointed captain. The way Rahane captained the side in Australia or how Rohit has done it in the past its clear both of those are better captain.

 

[style_guru]

Surprisingly, no one's talking about Colly's selection blunders, which would continue unabated throughout the series.
He selected Sundar for his batting, while he went wicketless in the bowling.
He selected Nadeem over Kuldeep, but Nadeem's bowling was as toothless as a 100 year old grandpa.

Basically India went with 3.5 bowlers. If you want to play Sundar as a batsman, than get KL in the team as a pure batsman instead. Preferring Nadeem over Kuldeep in itself was a blunder, but again, when has the Colly-Shastri duo made logical calls?
Ashwin ended up with 8 wickets in the match, but Colly ended up making him feel as the culprit, & not to mention what that criticism would do to Nadeem's confidence.

PR overdrive with clicking fancy images of his holidays, or giving politically speeches on festivals can only cover up to an extent.

Colly the batsman, must be seen in isolation with Colly the captain. The former is great in hos own right, but the latter, shouldn't be near the captaincy.

 

[mastimasti]

I think Kohli as batsman has won India far too many games across formats to even remember them all.

As captain though, he is always problematic and at times far too defensive. Very much like Dhoni.

 

[subshakerz]

I think Kohli as batsman has one India far too many games across formats to even remember them all.

As captain though, he is always problematic and at times far too defensive. Very much like Dhoni.

Not nearly as defensive as Dhoni. But the team still falters in big pressure moments under Kohli.

 

[RamLakhan]

India has always had excellent spinners. The real difference was the fast bowling culture that Kohli developed.

The lack of respect for the leadership of Kohli and Shastri is embarrassing. I can understand the jealously of Pakistani fans, but to also see Indians take credit away from them is most disappointing.

OK thanks for that (whatever aggression, leadership) they gave! Now can they move away & allow the team to go further up? Do you think India would have won the series against Australia if Kohli had remained? Ganguly also in the past instilled lot of aggression & passion to the team! But he still played under Dravid after a while and we won series in Pakistan...

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Kohli's captaincy was as bad as Nadeems bowling but players cant say that aloud can they...

Shastri will eat them alive

Can Shastri say no to any Kohli's suggestion for tactics or selection? Their team selection drastically improved once Kohli left the Aus series. Now he again picked Nadeem over Kuldeep.
He even dropped Pujara for Rohit once I remember in SENA i think.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Can Shastri say no to any Kohli's suggestion for tactics or selection? Their team selection drastically improved once Kohli left the Aus series. Now he again picked Nadeem over Kuldeep.
He even dropped Pujara for Rohit once I remember in SENA i think.

England first test in 2018.

And then Pujara scored imp runs in the winning test and in Southampton.

Kohli is a true comedy king lol.

Shastri can say no but won't say no. That's the tragedy.

Nadeem was picked due to Axar's injury which resulted in Wash also getting picked. So I will give Kohli that.

 

[Saj]

Virat Kohli last 4 Tests as captain:

Lost by 227 runs
Lost by 8 wickets
Lost by 7 wickets
Lost by 10 wickets

 

[Aman]

England first test in 2018.

And then Pujara scored imp runs in the winning test and in Southampton.

Kohli is a true comedy king lol.

Shastri can say no but won't say no. That's the tragedy.

Nadeem was picked due to Axar's injury which resulted in Wash also getting picked. So I will give Kohli that.

India are better off without this dollar store wannabe McCullum.

He's an all time great batsmen, but he's so average as captain that his team is actually better when he doesn't play. That and the fact the team has two better captains in the team. One of which steps up when given the responsibility.

 

[The lone Ranger]

If he wasn't a good captain then he wouldn't have 19 more wins with better w/l ratio than your great imran Khan. Just imagine if he was a Pakistani captain with that many wins! Everyone of you would have been calling him the Goat captain.

 

[Hitman]

Virat Kohli last 4 Tests as captain:

Lost by 227 runs
Lost by 8 wickets
Lost by 7 wickets
Lost by 10 wickets

Worrying signs so far.

 

[jiduguravindra]

If he wasn't a good captain then he wouldn't have 19 more wins with better w/l ratio than your great imran Khan. Just imagine if he was a Pakistani captain with that many wins! Everyone of you would have been calling him the Goat captain.

That's double standards you know

 

[Mamoon]

OK thanks for that (whatever aggression, leadership) they gave! Now can they move away & allow the team to go further up? Do you think India would have won the series against Australia if Kohli had remained? Ganguly also in the past instilled lot of aggression & passion to the team! But he still played under Dravid after a while and we won series in Pakistan...

Yes I think they would have. They are a better team than Australia and they were in a stronger position at Adelaide as well before one freak session killed the game.

It had nothing to do with the captaincy; it was just careless batting against some incredible bowling.

Kohli won in Australia against the same set of bowlers in 2018.

Rahane is a timid coward. He has a weak personality and no charisma. He is an Indian cricketer from the 90’s. He is not fit to tie Kohli’s shoelaces either as a batsman or as a leader. He is always nervous and cannot even speak properly.

He does not have the personality to deal with the pressure of captaining India on a permanent basis. Captaining on ad hoc basis every now and then is not the same as leading the team full-time.

 

[MHN1293]

If he wasn't a good captain then he wouldn't have 19 more wins with better w/l ratio than your great imran Khan. Just imagine if he was a Pakistani captain with that many wins! Everyone of you would have been calling him the Goat captain.

He is a good captain but the question is which would be better for india rahane as captain or kohli as captain. If india lose the series ti england then the question will be raised whether to continue with the captain who lost a home series or the one who led a reserve side ti win against a full strenght austrailian side.

 

[NishanKonar]

Yes I think they would have. They are a better team than Australia and they were in a stronger position at Adelaide as well before one freak session killed the game.

It had nothing to do with the captaincy; it was just careless batting against some incredible bowling.

Kohli won in Australia against the same set of bowlers in 2018.

Rahane is a timid coward. He has a weak personality and no charisma. He is an Indian cricketer from the 90’s. He is not fit to tie Kohli’s shoelaces either as a batsman or as a leader. He is always nervous and cannot even speak properly.

He does not have the personality to deal with the pressure of captaining India on a permanent basis. Captaining on ad hoc basis every now and then is not the same as leading the team full-time.

I wud rather have a timid captain who gets a second string team to perform when it matters than a bold aggresive captain who keeps making captaincy howlers !

This " Rahane is timid " is from the " Daleri , JIgra , Badmaashi " manual of Shoaib Akhtar

 

[guna]

When Kohli captains the team, other batsmen do not seem to step up and take on the scoring mantle.

Kohli almost always gets the selection wrong too. Playing Shahbaz in place of a bowling allrounder was a mistake. It is sad to see the likes of Pandya sitting out. He would easily score 50 runs on these pitches and can chip in with a wicket or two if he bowls 15 overs a day. If not Pandya, at least Kuldeep should play in place of Nadeem.

 

[Zaz]

Time to take the captaincy off him

He doesnt inspire any confidence on the field and has a dictatorial approach which doesnt bring out the best in his team mates They clearly cant express or enjoy their cricket with him at the helm Its no coincidence he has a pretty medicore overseas record recently

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Time to take the captaincy off him

He doesnt inspire any confidence on the field and has a dictatorial approach which doesnt bring out the best in his team mates They clearly cant express or enjoy their cricket with him at the helm Its no coincidence he has a pretty medicore overseas record recently

He is turning out to be an Indian version of Greg Chappell.

 

[Mamoon]

I wud rather have a timid captain who gets a second string team to perform when it matters than a bold aggresive captain who keeps making captaincy howlers !

This " Rahane is timid " is from the " Daleri , JIgra , Badmaashi " manual of Shoaib Akhtar

Well I disagree.

That Australian turnaround was due to the brilliant motivation provided by Shastri. He is a genius at man-management.

He rallied young players like Pant, Thakur, Washington etc. and got fear out of them and made them perform.

Rahane was a puppet captain on the field, but he does deserve a lot of credit for the great innings at the MCG.

Rahane is a good support system and vice-captain. But you need a big personality like Ganguly and Kohli to lead India in Test cricket.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol Wood mincing no words
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[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes I think they would have. They are a better team than Australia and they were in a stronger position at Adelaide as well before one freak session killed the game.

It had nothing to do with the captaincy; it was just careless batting against some incredible bowling.

Kohli won in Australia against the same set of bowlers in 2018.

Rahane is a timid coward. He has a weak personality and no charisma. He is an Indian cricketer from the 90’s. He is not fit to tie Kohli’s shoelaces either as a batsman or as a leader. He is always nervous and cannot even speak properly.

He does not have the personality to deal with the pressure of captaining India on a permanent basis. Captaining on ad hoc basis every now and then is not the same as leading the team full-time.

@Mamoon do you still believe this or did this change too?

 

[mominsaigol]

@Mamoon do you still believe this or did this change too?

What is it with you if people change opinions? Can they not?

I wish all Indians on this forumn would do a 180 and just bow down to me and listen to my words.