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Does Misbah-ul-Haq understand his earlier successes?

Junaids

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Pakistan’s tour of Australia has rapidly fallen apart in predictable fashion.

The elderly players - including the skipper, Shafiq and Yasir Shah - who have been failing for the last two years outside Asia - have failed again.

The bowling has been entrusted - apart from the admirable Shaheen Shah - to Imran Khan and Yasir Shah who have failed here before, plus Naseem Shah who was raw and unfit, and Musa Khan who was selected without any red ball credentials past or present.

But all this makes me wonder whether Misbah actually understands his own cricket history. I don’t think he does.

Apart from Saeed Ajmal (who had an illegal action), the story of Misbah’s team goes something like this outside Asia:

Misbah and Younis were past their best and scored runs once or twice per series, and failed the rest of the time.

Hafeez was in his thirties and failed all of the time in Tests outside Asia.

Much of the heavy lifting was done by Azhar and Shafiq and Sarfraz, who were in their twenties. Rahat and Junaid took wickets in their early twenties.

Even in Asia, Yasir and Imran had most of their success......in their twenties.

I think that Misbah is misinterpreting this data. He sees what Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and Imran did as younger men and expects them to reproduce it when they are the age at which their foreign contemporaries get dropped forever.

He thinks that the 2019 Azhar Ali is the 2016 Azhar Ali, but he isn’t. The 2019 Azhar Ali is actually the 2016 Mohammad Hafeez in Test cricket. A man whose best days - and even mediocre days - are all in the past.

Similarly, the 2019 Imran Khan is the bowling version of the 2013 Tanvir Ahmed, running in faster than he can deliver the ball.

The value of Azhar and Shafiq and Sarfraz and Yasir to Misbah’s teams was actually that any Test team needs to be built upon a core of 20-something year old players.

But I don’t think that Misbah understands this.
 
My Junaids style team:

Imam ul-Haq
Sami Aslam
Saad Ali
Babar Azam
Asad Shafiq*
Mohammad Rizwan+
Zafar Gohar
Amad Butt
Yasir Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

Ehsan Adil replaces Yasir Shah overseas.

Two all-rounders who can contribute lower order runs.

Average age = 25 with only two 30+ players.

Fast bowlers all over 5’10.

Damn that XI actually looks decent.
 
Pakistan’s tour of Australia has rapidly fallen apart in predictable fashion.

The elderly players - including the skipper, Shafiq and Yasir Shah - who have been failing for the last two years outside Asia - have failed again.

The bowling has been entrusted - apart from the admirable Shaheen Shah - to Imran Khan and Yasir Shah who have failed here before, plus Naseem Shah who was raw and unfit, and Musa Khan who was selected without any red ball credentials past or present.

But all this makes me wonder whether Misbah actually understands his own cricket history. I don’t think he does.

Apart from Saeed Ajmal (who had an illegal action), the story of Misbah’s team goes something like this outside Asia:

Misbah and Younis were past their best and scored runs once or twice per series, and failed the rest of the time.

Hafeez was in his thirties and failed all of the time in Tests outside Asia.

Much of the heavy lifting was done by Azhar and Shafiq and Sarfraz, who were in their twenties. Rahat and Junaid took wickets in their early twenties.

Even in Asia, Yasir and Imran had most of their success......in their twenties.

I think that Misbah is misinterpreting this data. He sees what Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and Imran did as younger men and expects them to reproduce it when they are the age at which their foreign contemporaries get dropped forever.

He thinks that the 2019 Azhar Ali is the 2016 Azhar Ali, but he isn’t. The 2019 Azhar Ali is actually the 2016 Mohammad Hafeez in Test cricket. A man whose best days - and even mediocre days - are all in the past.

Similarly, the 2019 Imran Khan is the bowling version of the 2013 Tanvir Ahmed, running in faster than he can deliver the ball.

The value of Azhar and Shafiq and Sarfraz and Yasir to Misbah’s teams was actually that any Test team needs to be built upon a core of 20-something year old players.

But I don’t think that Misbah understands this.

Overall good points, but to be honest that batting is a collective failure - not only the elderly two. In fact, at Gabba, it would have been innings & 100+, had the senior most 3 not put almost 60% of team total in first innings - Azhar, Asad, Yasir.

Also, we can curse the selection and rightly so - Misbah is in duel charge, deserves this. But, did you see PAK’s bowling on first morning, with new pink ball, in a gloomy afternoon, on a slightly damp surface - absolute gun barrel straight - no, swing, seem or cut. Shaheen was slanting the new ball across the right handers, but didn’t bring anything towards right handers (or away from Warner); least said about Abbas is better - Rizwan kept up in the first session of an Australian Test!!!!!

No matter which way we sugar quote it, 7 of the 8 batsmen of this squad would have been picked by most - may be Sami over Azhar, but this is what it is there, and it’s just not good enough; understanding this early would have helped many of us here to shape our earlier posts, prior to the first Test. It’s not a great sign when always players outside the squad are star for a team.

May be the problem is the barrel - it’s almost empty, you are just hurting your finger nails. I am pretty sure now Arthur has seen these cricket quite closely over last few weeks - and his preference (based on talent), might have changed, he is not that upset now for his second preference: Srilanka.
 
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I am the first to admit that Mickey Arthur did not field enough spinners in Asia.

But outside Asia he was pretty much correct. As you have written, the batting is substandard. That’s why for me numbers 7 and 8 need to be all-rounders.

You can keep old batsmen who pass 30 in most innings. But Azhar and Shafiq dont - they fail most of the time.

As for the bowling, the relative success of Shaheen has reinforced my opinion that in SENA you pick your quick bowlers by height. Pakistan is not Bangladesh - they could have sent Ehsan Adil and Rahat and Sameen who at least would not have leaked 6 runs per over like Yasir Shah and Musa Khan.

Picking guys who are old on the basis that “he served me well in the UAE” was never going to work.
 
What success? The number 1 ranking was a textbook definition of fluke.
 
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I am the first to admit that Mickey Arthur did not field enough spinners in Asia.

But outside Asia he was pretty much correct. As you have written, the batting is substandard. That’s why for me numbers 7 and 8 need to be all-rounders.

You can keep old batsmen who pass 30 in most innings. But Azhar and Shafiq dont - they fail most of the time.

As for the bowling, the relative success of Shaheen has reinforced my opinion that in SENA you pick your quick bowlers by height. Pakistan is not Bangladesh - they could have sent Ehsan Adil and Rahat and Sameen who at least would not have leaked 6 runs per over like Yasir Shah and Musa Khan.

Picking guys who are old on the basis that “he served me well in the UAE” was never going to work.

It’s foolish to think that no. 7 & 8 will save you if no. 1 to 6 are almost walking wicket - and thinking that from no. 7 & 8 like Shadab & Faheem ..... FGS. It can happen that sometimes your bottom half outperforms top half - for PAK’s case it happened twice at Gabba, even without all-rounders; but luck eventually will run out. Without having proper top order, all rounders won’t save you.

Your reinforced opinion has absolutely no merit, unless and until you explain here how two 5’-9/10” Indian pacers won a series in Australia (should have won 3-1) AND how three English pacers of 6’2”, 6’5” & 6’6” height, allowed Australia to score over 660d at almost 4, and then lose by innings at WACA of all places. Shaheen did well (if you think that taking 5 wickets in entire series is success, but I take that - you qualified it with relative), because he had the skills, not height only. Even then, at Gabba, it took him 5th session to get couple of tail Enders.

I am not sure what you meant by Pakistan is not Bangladesh- everyone knows that, some with a bitter memory; but this Bangladesh fall back plan won’t work here at PP anymore, not from delusional fans who tries to sell PAK talunt at every opportunity - days have changed. If your thought process is in line of phast bowling skills, I guess the buck should stop by now - have seen enough. And, if your thought process is inline of height (by superior Pathan gin), being PAK fan you should be humble most after the vertically challenged PAK phast bowling talunt that world is enjoying - from 5’10” ... it’s heading towards 5’5”. Adil, Rahat, Sameen .... last time PAK took Sohail Khan, 6-4” phast bowler - go, figure out. In a Test game one side has declared at ~600-3 @ 4.5 ... and other side is at 96-6 .... and you are telling here the problem is height. There should be a limit of delusion - you should feel sorry for Warner that 3 hours rain robbed him a chance of breaking Lara’s record.


PS: Junaids - let me make it clear, never bring Bangladesh to justify Pakistan’s cricket talunt, enough is enough - you have 14 wickets left to score 239 more and save innings defeat by Warner, have some sense.
 
Misbah all success in UAE with exception of one series of England, he does not have clue about team selection and doesn’t have eye to find talent, completely clueless
 
Even if it was a fluke we did get their . Which means we climbed the table from 7-8 to 1. This was done on the basis of results . It was just not handed to us .
 
Even if it was a fluke we did get their . Which means we climbed the table from 7-8 to 1. This was done on the basis of results . It was just not handed to us .

Sure.

But I am explaining that Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and Sarfraz were the formula because they were in their twenties, not because they were Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and Sarfraz.

Misbah used to have a core of players in their twenties. Now Babar and Rizwan are the only players in that age band.

He has actually misinterpreted his own formula.
 
Sure.

But I am explaining that Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and Sarfraz were the formula because they were in their twenties, not because they were Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and Sarfraz.

Misbah used to have a core of players in their twenties. Now Babar and Rizwan are the only players in that age band.

He has actually misinterpreted his own formula.

He has no formula. He is the most clueless man in Pakistan cricket. The reason he has this notion of a smart man is he has made friends with most of the 'analysts' who have a large following, who then cannot say anything bad against him, and only post out positive info. Fans take this as gospel.
 
What success? The number 1 ranking was a textbook definition of fluke.

Regardless of merits of it that side was bossing it in UAE and Asia type conditions but this current side will lose to SL at home (wait they already did in uae)
 
Younis khan was the reason we were doing better in batting department espcially in UAE. He was carrying the team and handling all the pressure. Azhar and Asad are useless and Misbah has always been mediocre and clueless.

Younis and Saeed chucker were carrying the Test side but Misbah gets all the credit.
 
While there are issues in team selection, it is quite delusional to think that the players who haven't played would have made any difference to the scorecard. This obsession with fast bowling, height and age needs to stop. A good player in good form and skills and attitude is an asset, period. Pujara is in 30s, Mohd Shami is 5 9 and Bumrah is 5 10, Ashwin is a finger spinner and yet they have all contributed to India's victory in last tour to Australia (granted that Smith and Warner's absence is a big part too). Once again, Shadab, Faheem or any other player would not have changed this result.
 
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