Does Mohammad Amir deserve a comeback in the ODI setup?

[Rana]

Best finishers in Pakistan couldn't chase 19 runs vs a minnow USA thats where we lost the match

Best batsmen in the country, for whom these liars spread so many lies telling us that Pakistan doesn’t have anyone besides these two (Babar and Rizwan) were hiding like cowards in the dug out to chase 19 runs in the super over against USA

 

[Rana]

What are you on about? You're taking the point i've made, completely ignoring it and then stating 2 new points. What has Babar flopping and Shaheen regressing have to do with Amir bowling the worst super over of all time or not toiling away in domestic?

He is absolutely correct

The kind of nonsense you are spreading made sense to your ilk 3 years ago when every type of deceit was being normalised! I am not even shocked to see you use the 2022 final as your proof that Pakistan was a good team destroyed.

You guys are clueless or deceivers. Which one is it?

 

[Rana]

Last I checked, Amir was struggling with international standard fitness for T20 Cricket. How will he last bowling ten overs a game? When was the last time he did that?

Last I checked,


What are your sources?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Pak has enough trundlers floating around like Mir. Last thing they need is, a has been Trundler getting spanked on the flat Pakistan wickets.

 

[Barragan]

No.

T20's only if he wants to represent Pak

 

[mominsaigol]

It's not a conspiracy, the same Babar who flopped in the T20 WC 2022 we reached the final of. Shaheen is a great bowler and has been consistent across various tournaments.

The fact of the matter is, Imad and Amir came into the team, we lost to the USA courtesy of the worst super over ever by Amir and we lost to India courtesy of the worst batting performance ever by Imad.

The T20 team was pretty solid before both of them got introduced, it can't be a coincidence.

What are you even trying to say? Pakistan reached the final due to Babar failing? So why is Bobby even in the team then?

As for Shaheen, His consistency went down the drain in 2023 and 2024. Asia cup 2023, wc 2023, wc 2024. Jes been awful.

His last good game was asia cup Pakistan vs India, the first game where India got out for 260 but it was called off due to rain.

Afterwards game set and match for shaheen

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Last I checked, Amir was struggling with international standard fitness for T20 Cricket. How will he last bowling ten overs a game? When was the last time he did that?

This exactly!

 

[mominsaigol]

I hope everyone realises that by no means am I not blaming amir.

It would be dishonest of me not to blame him. But acting like shaheen didn't fumble his catch, Babar didn't play a horrible innings, The 2 goat batters didn't play a super over, chacha bumbled it as always and all that extra stuff is something I won't let agenda driven people pass by.

 

[shaz619]

If you want to have the last word you can have the last word, no problem. However, I repeat - no one concedes 19 runs vs USA in a Super Over, that too with 3 ugly wides.

In spite of all that happened in that game including poor batting, fielding and bowling by others, it all boiled down to the Super Over and Amir held the fate of the match in his hands.

Considering his experience and reputation, he should have delivered for Pakistan in that moment. He didn’t just not deliver, he absolutely bottled it in humiliating fashion.

Amir fans wouldn’t keep quiet about his ability to deliver under pressure had he bowled Pakistan to victory in that over.

Similarly, they wouldn’t keep quieteither if someone else had conceded 19, and they would have been adamant that if Amir was there he would have won Pakistan the match.

It was embarrassing and he got badly exposed. End of story.

I don’t intend to have the last word or anything like that actually, I was just curious about your views, you seemed to praise Amir until he came back so it’s quiet odd really. And you can’t pin everything on him, he bowled the best spell off the tournament against the world champions and even Shaheen did not have the chops to face the USA, to me you ought to focus the criticism towards Babar’s captaincy, his batting, his treatment of his friends and ex-friends, and then Rizwan who was happy to bat in a soft scenario but not prove his salt when his country needed him most. If you want to put the blame on Amir for WT24, that’s fine, but look at the serial humiliations prior to that due to Babar, Rizwan and their buddies.

 

[emranabbas]

Last I checked, Amir was struggling with international standard fitness for T20 Cricket. How will he last bowling ten overs a game? When was the last time he did that?

Last time I checked he was the highest wicket taker for pakistan in T20 WC24 and had the best econ rate out of all bowlers playing for pakistan

 

[JattMaula]

Generally I would say no to but Pakistan has so many unfit pacers right now that its not bad gamble (again).

 

[emranabbas]

Generally I would say no to but Pakistan has so many unfit pacers right now that its not bad gamble (again).

If shaheen naseem harris and the rest were even 1% better then there is no room for amir in the team. But the current stock we have is worse then the gone past date amir

 

[Cricket Warrior]

well Amir and Hasnain with new ball could be a way better combo comapred to what we had before like Shaheen and Naseem.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

unfair to your domestic setup

 

[emranabbas]

unfair to your domestic setup

not unfair when babar, shaheen, rizwan, shadab, etc.. get picked without playing domestic?

not unfair on Sarfraz who has been grinding for years and winning tournaments in domestic?

 

[shaz619]

not unfair when babar, shaheen, rizwan, shadab, etc.. get picked without playing domestic?

not unfair on Sarfraz who has been grinding for years and winning tournaments in domestic?

Looks like pesky patriots have ‘ended’ Amir’s career, but not to worry, when is the next ICC tournie after CT 2025? they will get the the begging bowl out for that

 

[Kianig89]

Out of the blue Amir in reckoning for CT comeback

 

[Devadwal]

Amir said "By next year, I will have the opportunity to play in IPL and if given a chance then why not - I will play in IPL

 

[Sachin fan]

He couldn't bowl a 5th over(super over) in a t20 and was completely out of stamina. How will he bowl 10 overs in an ODI?

 

[Sachin fan]

Looks like pesky patriots have ‘ended’ Amir’s career, but not to worry, when is the next ICC tournie after CT 2025? they will get the the begging bowl out for that

Let him first be able to bowl 5 overs in a game dude, let alone 10 in an ODI. He was completely huffing and puffing in the super over against USA.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Looks like pesky patriots have ‘ended’ Amir’s career, but not to worry, when is the next ICC tournie after CT 2025? they will get the the begging bowl out for that

He wants to play IPL next year, so his Pakistan career is definitely over.

 

[mango_bite77]

Amir said "By next year, I will have the opportunity to play in IPL and if given a chance then why not - I will play in IPL

I hope BCCI and franchisees remains firm on their stance of not allowing Pakistani to play in IPL.

 

[Devadwal]

I hope BCCI and franchisees remains firm on their stance of not allowing Pakistani to play in IPL.

He will be England citizen that's why he can only eligible for IPL from next year.

 

[mango_bite77]

He will be England citizen that's why he can only eligible for IPL from next year.

Despite his citizenship change, I hope people in India remain firm on their stance.

 

[Josh]

Despite his citizenship change, I hope people in India remain firm on their stance.

Why? India has problem with Pakistan govt and thereby its subjects and not with a sportsman named Amir. If any team finds him useful, they should select him. He will be a British citizen. I have never seen him spew venom against India and is respectful.

 

[mango_bite77]

Why? India has problem with Pakistan govt and thereby its subjects and not with a sportsman named Amir. If any team finds him useful, they should select him. He will be a British citizen. I have never seen him spew venom against India and is respectful.

Because he wanted IPL contract.

 

[Josh]

Because he wanted IPL contract.

Nothing wrong with that. Every good cricketer wants to be a part of IPL. In general, he is sensible unlike many. Maybe the fixing incident taught him a few things about life. David Miller said he will support new zealand, so he shouldn't be allowed too?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Nothing wrong with that. Every good cricketer wants to be a part of IPL. In general, he is sensible unlike many. Maybe the fixing incident taught him a few things about life. David Miller said he will support new zealand, so he shouldn't be allowed too?

New Zealand establishment isn't causing any trouble in India. Amir can play IPL is he turns into another Adnan Sami else he will be treated just like Azhar Mahmood.

 

[Master Blaster]

Sohaib Malik, Hassan Ali, Mohammad Amir and Sami all four deserve a come back in ODI setup.

 

[Aami]

Ab Khelna mana hai ....

 

[shaz619]

Let him first be able to bowl 5 overs in a game dude, let alone 10 in an ODI. He was completely huffing and puffing in the super over against USA.

And that version was enough to be the stand out bowler against India, he has always been India’s abah

 

[shaz619]

He wants to play IPL next year, so his Pakistan career is definitely over.

It’s never over when he can still compete with prime Shaheen, Naseem & Rauf in limited overs cricket, you’ve seen how good they have been…..

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It’s never over when he can still compete with prime Shaheen, Naseem & Rauf in limited overs cricket, you’ve seen how good they have been…..

Not talking about ability here, I still think he is a better t20 bowler than all these names.

If he plays IPL, then he cannot be a pakistani citizen, which means he won’t play for Pakistan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not talking about ability here, I still think he is a better t20 bowler than all these names.

If he plays IPL, then he cannot be a pakistani citizen, which means he won’t play for Pakistan.

BCCI doesn't entertain match fixers. So it is a very very long shot for him.

 

[shaz619]

Not talking about ability here, I still think he is a better t20 bowler than all these names.

If he plays IPL, then he cannot be a pakistani citizen, which means he won’t play for Pakistan.

Interesting, that’s assuming he gets picked.

Let’s say Pakistan beg him to play next year, would he get picked for the IPL which occurs a month or two after the WC as a British Citizen ? That is assuming he plays in the World T20.

 

[Devadwal]

Interesting, that’s assuming he gets picked.

Let’s say Pakistan beg him to play next year, would he get picked for the IPL which occurs a month or two after the WC as a British Citizen ? That is assuming he plays in the World T20.

He will chose the IPL over playing for The pakistan for a world T20.

 

[Varun]

Why would any IPL team want this busted flush, even if he charges some really easy paisa?

 

[Kianig89]

For IPL to truly present itself as an iconic league , they need Amir , more like Real Madrid wanting Mbappe.

Which franchise will have the honors to sign Amir.

Surely only the mega riches like MI or CSK can afford him

 

[Greenstorm]

Not talking about ability here, I still think he is a better t20 bowler than all these names.

If he plays IPL, then he cannot be a pakistani citizen, which means he won’t play for Pakistan.

Naseem and Rauf are better T20 bowlers than cutter master Amir. Shaheen is better with the new ball.

 

[Sachin fan]

And that version was enough to be the stand out bowler against India, he has always been India’s abah

Has he? He has only won 2 out of 10 matches against India in all formats and averages 33 against India in ODIs.

The CT finals which is so tauted is when his team scores 340 in a major final. A reminder than any score over 300 has never been chased in a CT or World Cup final in entire history of cricket, heck even 250 has only been chased once in CT and world cup final in over 50 years.

That match was won as soon a fakhar helped out 340 on board, even zimbabwe bowlers would bowl like demons with 340 to defend in a major final.

 

[Greenstorm]

He will chose the IPL over playing for The pakistan for a world T20.

Good for us. We don't need someone who screams while bowling 125 kph bouncers.

 

[topspin]

I think it would be wonderful to see Amir get a chance to play in the IPL. If Azhar Mahmood could, why can't he?

 

[Bhaijaan]

He’s most welcome in IPL. He’s shown all the signs of being a mature head and respectful person. Anyone who is not an Islamist is welcome in our country.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He’s most welcome in IPL. He’s shown all the signs of being a mature head and respectful person. Anyone who is not an Islamist is welcome in our country.

No. Don't think IPL will go for a match fixer. None of the past match fixer could ever play in the IPL again.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

IMO he'll be considered for a gig in the IPL only if renounces his Pakistani citizenship.

No dual citizenship will work.

So it will be a straight 'either- or' choice for him between being eligible for Pakistan or being eligible for IPL.

Note that I'm talking about eligibility, not selection. There is no guarantee that he will be selected for Pakistan or IPL.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Mohammad Amir is still better than Naseem, Shaheen,Dahani,Afridi,Rauf. I don't see any problems in picking him.

fitness is the biggest problem.. Is fit enought to bowl say 8 over atleast not 10 ? I dont think so.. he can get away in T20s

Thats why the emphasis on playing 4 day FC cricket, players who consistently play FC cricket can iron out their flaws which is needed in ODIs.. ODI is not a extension of T20 is actually a shorter version of 5 day cricket.. lasting 50 overs is not easy...

Same mentality and keep doing the same mistake of bringing in T20 players into ODI and Tests cricket , same case with Amir now.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Shaheen should have not been playing that match never mind him playing the superover

Glad it wasn't shaheen bowling the superover otherwise he would have conceded 36 runs

Best finishers in Pakistan couldn't chase 19 runs vs a minnow USA thats where we lost the match

lost the match because of the so called death over specialist Haris Rauf , he is the one who lost it to India in Melboune 2022, that 2 sixers in his last 2 balls (the first one i get was a master stroke from Kohli , but the 2nd was Haris' brainfade gift.. and also against USA ( it was a smiple basic rule for any bwler to not bowl such a delivery when mid-off is UP ,Shaheen was furious at him after that final delivery , tht boundary which tied the match).. haris is a brainless cricketer with zero match awareness , his only way of playing is bowling short ball , slower bouncer and bowling fast..

 

[shaz619]

Has he? He has only won 2 out of 10 matches against India in all formats and averages 33 against India in ODIs.

The CT finals which is so tauted is when his team scores 340 in a major final. A reminder than any score over 300 has never been chased in a CT or World Cup final in entire history of cricket, heck even 250 has only been chased once in CT and world cup final in over 50 years.

That match was won as soon a fakhar helped out 340 on board, even zimbabwe bowlers would bowl like demons with 340 to defend in a major final.

In the last match which he bowled well against India, he lost that to, don’t mean sh!t when the Pakistan team is so trash, Amir past his prime was a stand out bowler against a team which went on to be world champions, I recall Indians were very surprised to see that because the likes of Shaheen/Naseem/Rauf have been so overrated.

340 is never safe against prime Kohli The King Of Chase, it’s like implying you just show up and win, Pakistan often can get complacent when they set such totals up, and India still had a chance against a team they have the edge over in ICC tournaments. Fakhar Zaman & Azhar Ali (especially the former) were critical in the win, but Amir played a key role and bowled a phenomenal/memorable spell. Kohli has been so impressed by his bowling that he gave him his own bat. I don’t think that ODI record is terrible against India when one of the games he played resulted in a high profile tournament victory, he generally does pretty well in ICC tournaments and he bowled pretty well against India in the 2019 WC to. What have other Pakistani bowlers really achieved compared to Amir when you really think about it, these are their prime years. You just know in a live tournament he is going to bring it, why should ostracise a player for one poor over when his buddies chickened out and kept misfielding; when these guys achieve half of what he has then we can talk.

Anyway, I think he can still go in T20’s. And if Pakistan had prepared well for the CT, they could have eased Amir back into the ODI set up and gave him the adequate prep to be ready for the tournament as a one an done type thing / had him in the squad at least, you can’t have been impressed with the Pakistani pacers. Some of these players have baggage like Sharjeel etc but for a home tournament, you go all out and give yourself the best possible chance of winning and not block exceptional talents like Mohammad Haris just because he’d expose the selection of Rizwan.

 

[Rana]

Too late I recon.

A couple of years back I think he would have played 2 seasons. He might get picked up for $50-100k as a squad rotation choice but he won’t play a full season.