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I like Shaheen in Odis, he looks good and is a genuine opportunity creator. But in t20s I feel that at this point he is not that good. Sarfraz mostly brings him in later on in the match to ease him into the situation but against better teams, I feel that Shaheen will prove to be expensive. Why not save Shaheen and make him and odi bowler right now?
 
mastersaan10 said:
I like Shaheen in Odis, he looks good and is a genuine opportunity creator. But in t20s I feel that at this point he is not that good. Sarfraz mostly brings him in later on in the match to ease him into the situation but against better teams, I feel that Shaheen will prove to be expensive. Why not save Shaheen and make him and odi bowler right now?
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I agree partly. I'm afraid he will lose some of his new ball and wicket taking skills when only bowling at the death in T'20s
 
Really funny... when you can play hacks like farhan and asif costing pakistan runs but Shaheen can't play? Playing T20s 'll give him confidence about dealing with pressure situation. He has proven it already that he is calm and collective...
 
Its not always about how good a player is today especially when he is 18. Its about how good he can become if groomed properly. He was pretty decent against Aussies, bowled well under pressure today and hopefully will be better in next matches.
 
He's simply not good enough for T20s yet in terms of skill and variety, however he is mentally tough but let's hope if they do want him in T20s he should be open the bowling and get some conventional swing going. Otherwise it's gonna detrimental for his odi and test career.
 
He is fulfilling the Umar Gul 2007 T-20 WC and 2009 T-20 WC role. We haven't even had the opportunity to truly see him with the new ball.
 
Currently he is just running in and bowling 4 slow deliveries, one quick short one and fullish delivery and he's mixing them up via altering the length slightly, not sure if he's going to improve by bowling such stuff. Just let him play Odis and give him the new ball.
 
In all honesty I would rather have him play in the FC matches going on at the moment (A-team). He needs to learn test match bowling.
 
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muhammad saad said:
He's simply not good enough for T20s yet in terms of skill and variety, however he is mentally tough but let's hope if they do want him in T20s he should be open the bowling and get some conventional swing going. Otherwise it's gonna detrimental for his odi and test career.
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muhammad saad said:
Currently he is just running in and bowling 4 slow deliveries, one quick short one and fullish delivery and he's mixing them up via altering the length slightly, not sure if he's going to improve by bowling such stuff. Just let him play Odis and give him the new ball.
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First you say he doesn't have variety then you say 4 slow ones 1 quick one short. Any idea what you are trying to say??:inti
 
I don't consider slow delivery a variety, any bowler should be able to bowl that if he's playing T20s, I am talking about pacy cutters, toe crushing Yorkers, reverse swing, conventional swing which he doesn't seems to have. Or atleast I haven't witnessed that yet, ( let's hope we get to see some of them soon)
 
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KingKhanWC said:
Didnt he just defend the last over or am i missing something? :inti
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Yea by bowling pretty ordinary stuff and get lucky in the end for not getting a no ball call from his full tosses. Add to that he's top speed was only 140k today so again nothing exciting.
 
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muhammad saad said:
I don't consider slow delivery a variety, any bowler should be able to bowl that if he's playing T20s, I am talking about pacy cutters, toe crushing Yorkers, reverse swing, conventional swing which he doesn't seems to have. Or atleast I haven't witnessed that yet, ( let's hope we get to see some of them soon)
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You expect him to have all of that at the age of 18? :genius
 
He should not be bowling at the death.
Especially not the last over.

He can barely defend 20 of the last over.

9 times out of 10 he’s go for 10-12 in his final over which ain’t good enough. He won’t alwys have runs to defend. Theirs gonna be situations where he needs to defend 8-12 and he won’t.

Rumaan raees is a world class bowler why is he not playing?
 
muhammad saad said:
Yea by bowling pretty ordinary stuff and get lucky in the end for not getting a no ball call from his full tosses. Add to that he's top speed was only 140k today so again nothing exciting.
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He's 18 years old and so far in his T20I career has an average of 19. Sure today he went for a bit more than he should have but held his never well to defend the final over. Luck is part of every player but he is smart and knows where to bowl generally.
 
He's pretty good for his age and hopefully he will improve. He's doing well in t20is so no reason not to play him.
 
Usman Chadda said:
No evidence of that so far. Maybe with the red ball he has a different skill-set
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He was swinging it in New Zealand.

In UAE, the ball does not keep its condition nor are the conditions conducive to swing. Shaheen also does not open the bowling. The first few overs is the only period you'll see swing in T20 matches.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He was swinging it in New Zealand.

In UAE, the ball does not keep its condition nor are the conditions conducive to swing. Shaheen also does not open the bowling. The first few overs is the only period you'll see swing in T20 matches.
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I’m commenting on his Asia Cup performances with regards to swing bowling. Didn’t see much there. Really hope he has that skill-set in him. Looks a fantastic find already
 
Usman Chadda said:
I’m commenting on his Asia Cup performances with regards to swing bowling. Didn’t see much there. Really hope he has that skill-set in him. Looks a fantastic find already
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He does have it, brother. Trust me. You guys have not seen his full skillset yet.
 
Nerves of steel and a lot of faith shown in him by Sarfaraz.

My only concern though is him trying to bowl too many different deliveries in an over.
 
gazza619 said:
He is going to be our go to bowler for years to come. I want him in SA tests.
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Yes I would like him to play in South Africa tests too. Maybe if he plays the tests in South Africa, he could sit out some of the LO games .
 
Saj said:
Nerves of steel and a lot of faith shown in him by Sarfaraz.

My only concern though is him trying to bowl too many different deliveries in an over.
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I was quite impressed by that to be honest. He was bowling a mixture of slower deliveries and yorkers in his final two overs, and despite not always hitting the right spot exactly, it was enough to do the job. it annoys me far more when bowlers don't even try to hit a yorker length and default to standard line and length in the final overs.
 
Hasan123 said:
He needs international experience. We shouldn't over use him in T20s though.
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Think he's low in domestic experience too. He wasn't amongst the best PSL bowlers either despite 1 incredible performance, and I'm not sure he'd be able to beat out the best domestic bowlers in domestic either right now.

I do think he's going to turn out a good bowler. The worry is whether he'll adjust quick enough in time.
 
If he is a tall bowler, he needs to be able to use his height effectively
 
I would rather he be playing the current A match against NZ A. Needs to learn the art of getting batsmen our rather than focusing on T20 defensive bowling.
 
mastersaan10 said:
I like Shaheen in Odis, he looks good and is a genuine opportunity creator. But in t20s I feel that at this point he is not that good. Sarfraz mostly brings him in later on in the match to ease him into the situation but against better teams, I feel that Shaheen will prove to be expensive. Why not save Shaheen and make him and odi bowler right now?
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The whole point of T20Is is to develop players, test your bench strength and spot international material in respect of other formats. It isn't merely prep for the next WT20 .
 
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Usman Chadda said:
I’m commenting on his Asia Cup performances with regards to swing bowling. Didn’t see much there. Really hope he has that skill-set in him. Looks a fantastic find already
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Even Bhuvi did not swing in Asia cup. White Kookaburra and UAE conditions will not allow swing 98 times out of 100.

My only worry is at this stage he should be playing the A team tests developing his test match bowling and stamina bowling 4 overs day in and out will hamper his development.
 
Playing T20 and ask to defend the target will change his mentality , for God sake if you wanna play him in T20s lets give him the new ball. Otherwise hes not gonna improve.
 
He should have been playing the 4 day games vs NZ-A instead of T20Is. He hasn't had enough exposure to the 4 day format and at this rate he is never going to learn how to bowl long spells and set batsmen up.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I was quite impressed by that to be honest. He was bowling a mixture of slower deliveries and yorkers in his final two overs, and despite not always hitting the right spot exactly, it was enough to do the job. it annoys me far more when bowlers don't even try to hit a yorker length and default to standard line and length in the final overs.
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A few people were criticising him for bowling full tosses, but he did that quite well because they were mainly low full tosses which the batsmen struggled to put away.
 
Fahdi said:
He should have been playing the 4 day games vs NZ-A instead of T20Is. He hasn't had enough exposure to the 4 day format and at this rate he is never going to learn how to bowl long spells and set batsmen up.
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Pretty much this one reason Yuvi never became test class was in his formative years he was always with Indian team as an odi specialist and reserve test bat and never learned the art of building a test innings
 
Should have been played the 4 day game in place of Taj wali who will probably never ever play for Pakistan
 
ads101 said:
Think he's low in domestic experience too. He wasn't amongst the best PSL bowlers either despite 1 incredible performance, and I'm not sure he'd be able to beat out the best domestic bowlers in domestic either right now.

I do think he's going to turn out a good bowler. The worry is whether he'll adjust quick enough in time.
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Playing our first class cricket won't help him. He won't bowl enough overs. He needs to stay with the national team now.
 
Good way of slowly introducing him into international cricket, especially with exposure. Due to his age.
 
So far he's been pretty decent. Time's on his side so there's no hurry in his development.
 
Shaheen has defended two last overs now, one in that series against Australia, one here.

Someone above said he got lucky with no-ball calls, is that a joke? None of his full tosses were near waist high.

Also ridiculous to think that playing in Pakistan's Domestic or even the A Tour is better than playing against an actual International team, no matter the format.
 
He bowled decently not extraordinary. I am not sure where were the yorkers he was too relying on slow cutters. In my mind i think there was dew that evening thats why he couldnt execute which were end up in high full tosses. I remembered watching abu dhabi t20s was going for yorkers and succeeded. So if dew was the case i give him benefit of doubt. Yorkers are most useful delivery defending 12-15 in last over.
 
Seriously? What do you want from him? He's defended a total in the last over a couple of times, he's still very young, T20Is is a good place to learn, we should keep him in this format.
 
He is so far playing on potential only currently he is not better or worst than other options Pakistan have. But potentially he can be a truly great bowler for Pakistan provided he is coached and looked after properly. As he gets older he should develop some more pace as-well. I am slightly concerned that he is not swinging the ball back in as much as he did in Under 19s videos i saw.
 
continues to impress! 2 wickets today in 2nd T2oI
 
CricketDon said:
I remember the days Umar Gul and junaidnkhan defenfing 6-7 runs.
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Yeah, at the peak of their powers when they could bowl yorkers at will. Shaheen is not at that stage yet.

Has a better skill set than both of those bowlers easily, though. And plenty of room to grow and improve.
 
Pakhs said:
He is so far playing on potential only currently he is not better or worst than other options Pakistan have. But potentially he can be a truly great bowler for Pakistan provided he is coached and looked after properly. As he gets older he should develop some more pace as-well. I am slightly concerned that he is not swinging the ball back in as much as he did in Under 19s videos i saw.
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Who swings an old kookaburra ball in UAE?
 
The 2 thing he impressed me today was his bowl to Phillips and his ability to bowl Yorkers, just give him the new ball instead of Fahim other wise his progress will be hampered by playing t20s
 
Well spoken in the interview too.

Bowled brilliantly today, great find for Pakistan.
 
CricketDon said:
You’re speaking as if I’m a fan of his. I was annoyed when he was given a third over.
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Your making it sound we have a wealth of death bowlers. Who is better than Shaheen in Pak at the moment? He is young and has bowled exceptionally. Every bowler barring probably Bumrah and Fizz go for runs at the death.
 
muhammad saad said:
The 2 thing he impressed me today was his bowl to Phillips and his ability to bowl Yorkers, just give him the new ball instead of Fahim other wise his progress will be hampered by playing t20s
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really?? he impressed you? lol. Now you are onto Faheem. Anyone can go for runs if its not their day..
 
If Shaheen's figures in 3rd t20 are: 4-0-60-0
Thread: Shaheen does not deserve to be playing t20s, he's too young/raw, bring back UKS...
 
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