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Does the Pakistan team need a full-time bio-mechanics expert?

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Given that Mickey Arthur and rest of team management is unable to spot issues with actions of their own players, maybe its time for an independent biomechanics expert to accompany the team to analyse bowling actions over by over to warn players. Will spare us all the embarrassment.

I wont mind paying for it.....
 
1. Fans need to vilify chuckers.

2. Bowlers from grassroot level need to be educated on the subject.

3. If management, with their technology and expertise cannot spot chucking, then bio-mechanics facilities should be used on the player, and continue to monitor the player in their matches.
 
Chuckers are usually batting all rounders that can bowl a bit. This is where I've seen most of chuckers and coaches let them get away because the contribute to the team. This eliminates other guys who are genuine bowlers.
 
But it is a BCCI conspiracy and people should not act like biomechanics experts etc. etc. and let the umpires do their job etc. etc.
 
Well Ajmal had a serious issue following a car accident which led to his arm looking the way it did when bowling.

Other than that, I dont know if anyone has been legitimately called. Malik? Always a part timer. Hafeez? Ditto.

What I dont understand is how guys like Bumrah, Dananjaya and so on have all gotten away with obviously chucking actions as full time bowlers.
 
Biomechanics aren't gonna stop chuckers from chucking when they're rendered ineffective on the field.
 
We have ths tools available to us at LUMS so bowlers with suspected actions should be tested in these facilities.
 
Would be a colossal waste of money. Why do we need a biomechanics expert to "warn players" when the chucking is so blatant.
 
to me its a matter of ethics.
you think hafeez and the others pull this sort of stuff in the nets?
they dont.
they do it in the game thinking they will get away with it. and we keep obliging.
we have normalized deliberate chucking.
 
Well Ajmal had a serious issue following a car accident which led to his arm looking the way it did when bowling.

Other than that, I dont know if anyone has been legitimately called. Malik? Always a part timer. Hafeez? Ditto.

What I dont understand is how guys like Bumrah, Dananjaya and so on have all gotten away with obviously chucking actions as full time bowlers.
How come he changed his action if it is a permanent disability? There are limits to excuses as well
 
Well Ajmal had a serious issue following a car accident which led to his arm looking the way it did when bowling.

Ajmal was able to bowl without chucking. Now he couldn't bowl well without chucking was a different issue.

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Solution is to not allow chuckers in main XI. Catch and eliminate them in domestic games.
 
to me its a matter of ethics.
you think hafeez and the others pull this sort of stuff in the nets?
they dont.
they do it in the game thinking they will get away with it. and we keep obliging.
we have normalized deliberate chucking.

I am more interested in game time - we need someone to watch and point out to the coach asap that a bowler's action is not clean. The Coach/Captain can then take whatever necessary steps.
 
I dont think we need one at the national level as majority of our bowlers have clean actions and we have the bench strength that if one is called out, we can replace him. In the case of Hafeez, he's been a constant offender. He'll find a way to con the biomechanic expert and get selected and then chuck in an actual match situation.

We do need some at the NCA though and a criteria for national selection should be to pass an internal test for all bowlers.
 
Ajmal was able to bowl without chucking. Now he couldn't bowl well without chucking was a different issue.

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Solution is to not allow chuckers in main XI. Catch and eliminate them in domestic games.

No. The facts are as follows:

Ajmal was involved in a bus accident many years ago.

That led to damage in his writs, which led to the bones in his arm creating an angle which made it look like he was supposedly chucking.

He was checked out in the biomechanics lab, cleared and given a medical exemption.

His ban came into place when the exemption was no longer accepted by the ICC, due to a rule change.

It took him bowling 30000 deliveries to change his action to something different, thus losing what he once had.

This raises the questions on medical exemptions, which have been applied to numerous bowlers in the past, most famously Murali and Akhtar. Imagine if they existed in the modern environment, their careers would likely have been over too. There is also the zero tolerances attitude that was not present in the past, which would likely have severely derailed the careers of the likes of Harbhajan Singh and Brett Lee.

So we have to take all this into context.
 
How come he changed his action if it is a permanent disability? There are limits to excuses as well

View my previous post for a more detailed response but his changing of the action led him to being only 10% of the bowler he once was. Which meant that the action was not comfortable or normal to him.

plus can you tell me how many medical degrees you have? Because I'm sure you do not have more than the doctors who treated him and those who examined him and approved the medical exemption.

Aag lag gahi gandhi sahab, tanda paani pilo!
 
View my previous post for a more detailed response but his changing of the action led him to being only 10% of the bowler he once was. Which meant that the action was not comfortable or normal to him.

plus can you tell me how many medical degrees you have? Because I'm sure you do not have more than the doctors who treated him and those who examined him and approved the medical exemption.

Aag lag gahi gandhi sahab, tanda paani pilo!

His excuse was because of his injury he cannot bowl with a legal action.

Then how can he bowl without chucking after getting caught?
 
View my previous post for a more detailed response but his changing of the action led him to being only 10% of the bowler he once was. Which meant that the action was not comfortable or normal to him.

plus can you tell me how many medical degrees you have? Because I'm sure you do not have more than the doctors who treated him and those who examined him and approved the medical exemption.

Aag lag gahi gandhi sahab, tanda paani pilo!
If it is a medical exemption means he cannot bowl without resulting to chucking which is not the case because he can bowl without chucking isn't it?
 
It's really not hard to spot chuckers in domestic games, T20 leagues, etc and ban them from bowling in internationals.
 
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