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"Don’t interfere in our cricket interests and tell us what to do" : Gavaskar's advice to CA & ECB

cricketjoshila said:
Actually CA ECB are speaking against the Emirates league. It clashes with the BBL. Its paying upto 450k for players and is allowing 9 foreigners per team. This will affect the BBL severely.

Hence CA ECB are trying to put pressure on the IPL and bcci as 3-4 owners are also IPL team owners.
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Yes the Emirates League but at the same time the BCCI and IPL owners.

The same CA and ECB who sat silently previously.
 
topspin said:
Actually you come across as someone who's been paid to work in some IT centre to do PR and propaganda for BCCI and BJP.

I'll give you an example. I found you were posting on multiple forums (including PP) about Balakot, where you claimed 200 militants died. Neutral sources found that there were no casualties.

Only paid employees working for BJP's propaganda machine were working overtime to spread such false propaganda.
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Multiple forums? Which forums? Lol. I am genuinely interested in knowing where else you found me posting. I suppose you will have proof for making these claims.

200 or 300 was the figure given by media. And every Indian media.

Since you are so interested in my earnings, well i hold a degree in critical care medicine. I have had medical discussions on PP with atleast 3 other doctors. Mamoon DRsohail and another one.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Actually CA ECB are speaking against the Emirates league. It clashes with the BBL. Its paying upto 450k for players and is allowing 9 foreigners per team. This will affect the BBL severely.

Hence CA ECB are trying to put pressure on the IPL and bcci as 3-4 owners are also IPL team owners.
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It shows what pathetic hypocrites they are but that doesn't detract from the point being made here
 
cricketjoshila said:
What fans? Which fans? Fans are those who are putting their money into the game.
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Fans that love international cricket. What gets watched more an Ind PK game or some random T20 with no meaning, played by 2 teams with no history, that will be forgotten by Wednesday
 
cricketjoshila said:
According to PCB chairman pakistan cricket is dependent on Indian money to run itself. So what you on about?

That governing body is trying to ensure its members don't go bankrupt.
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No, it's not. The WCs are events because of the PK Ind game. It's the most watched game at the tournament. Its the Ind and PK fans that make it such. Once again people are confusing the BCCI with Ind TV companies that cater for Ind fans
 
Saj said:
Yes the Emirates League but at the same time the BCCI and IPL owners.

The same CA and ECB who sat silently previously.
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Actually bcci has no dog here

The only reason they are being dragged is to pressurise IPL owners who own Emirates league teams.

Is it genuinely possible to pressurise the likes of Ambani or Adani who are among the top 10 richest people? Then there are GMR and Knight riders. These are not some mid level entrepreneurs.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Just because your board is not bcci dont be jealous.
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I'm not. The last thing I would want is my cricket board to be a power-hungry, predatory sports body that exploits the international game to its benefit.

But it does make me laugh that you say "it doesn't matter what I care about" and then immediately take the time to reply to what I care about.

Contradictory statement to say the least but I guess you're too wrapped up in your stooging to comprehend that.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Only you seem to have that fundamental understanding rest everyone is silly.
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He, like you and others don't realise that even if Ind didn't partake, the Ind TV companies would still buy the rights( obviously not as much). So there lies yours and others fundamental misunderstanding. And the fact that there is a PK Ind game in most ICC events means that rights are of a greater value. So how does Ind cricket pay for PK.
 
Lol what discussion is this?

Public can do as much postulating about 'moral' obligation of ICC, etc. but fact is that Indian white ball cricket and Indian TV rights money brings in viability for the game.

The sport we play is a tiny one with just 12 odd countries of which barely 6-7 decently competitive nations at any given time. Of these 1 is not even a country but rather a loose confederacy of nations, 2 countries have gone through or are currently going through economic crises which will likely change the societal landscape of country irreversibly.

In these conditions the less we talk about silly ideas like banning India, banning Pak the better.

Fact is cricket boards are powerless to wave of private sector money driven leagues. These have been found to be commercially viable at
different scales - global level (IPL) and even at micromarket country/state level (PSL/CPL/TNPL etc.)

This media offensive from ECB/CA crying about leagues is basically these 2 boards which are the last hold outs from privatisation trying to maintain their control over golden egg of their country's cricket finances. Sunny G is right to call them out on this.
Hypocrisy of English board can be seen clearly in how they speak with diff tongues regarding privatisation of men's and women's cricket.

If the future of cricket is T20 backed by globally diversified franchises like Indians, Knight Riders, Zalmi then it is what it is. Majority of fans have spoken and old diehard adminstrators/fans can rail all they want about it but cannot stop it.
 
Bewal Express said:
He, like you and others don't realise that even if Ind didn't partake, the Ind TV companies would still buy the rights( obviously not as much). So there lies yours and others fundamental misunderstanding. And the fact that there is a PK Ind game in most ICC events means that rights are of a greater value. So how does Ind cricket pay for PK.
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Who told you Indian Tv companies will buy the rights? Who will they show? Why will they be allowed to telecast matches of ICC who banned India?

Last time ICC tried to arm twist Indian players, in 2003, courts in India stopped all payments to ICC from India. ICC had threatened to disqualify India, if Indian players dont sign the ambush marketing clause of ICC. Result was that ICC had to compromise and Indian players signed revised contracts.
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https://m.rediff.com/wc2003/2003/jan/22cont.htm

Think what would be the reaction if they ban India? Icc wont get a dime out of this country.

Already Indian owners of franchisee teams in Emirates and CSA league have said they will not sign any pak players and it would cause a back lash in India.

So i suggest you stop thinking what Indians would do, because you are not one and you have no idea.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Btw rumours are that Indian team owners are very clear that they wont sign any pakistani in CSA or Emirates league.
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RedwoodOriginal said:
You mean just like Indian owners were clear not to sign Pakistani players in the CPL?

Where are you hearing your rumors? The BJP IT cell WhatsApp group?
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cricketjoshila said:
Wait it will come out in media.
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IPL team owners not in favour of including Pakistani cricketers in CSA & UAE T20 leagues: Report

The franchise owners in the UAE and CSA T20 leagues, which are mostly Indians, who also have a team in the IPL, don’t want to see the inclusion of Pakistani players in the upcoming tournaments. Cricketers from Pakistan are not allowed to participate in the IPL, and now, according to a recent report, they are likely to sit out of the UAE and CSA T20 leagues as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...n-csa-uae-t20-leagues-report-article-93404018
 
Rajdeep said:
IPL team owners not in favour of including Pakistani cricketers in CSA & UAE T20 leagues: Report

The franchise owners in the UAE and CSA T20 leagues, which are mostly Indians, who also have a team in the IPL, don’t want to see the inclusion of Pakistani players in the upcoming tournaments. Cricketers from Pakistan are not allowed to participate in the IPL, and now, according to a recent report, they are likely to sit out of the UAE and CSA T20 leagues as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...n-csa-uae-t20-leagues-report-article-93404018
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From 4 days ago

PCB deny players NOC for UAE International League T20


Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided not to give NOC to players for the inaugural UAE International League T20, scheduled to take place from January 6 to February 12, 2023.

Two star players applied formally for NOC but Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) rejected, while others did not contact after viewing the rejection.

Many star players, including skipper Babar Azam, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Shadab Khan and Mohammad Rizwan, were approached by various franchises.

The board refused to hand NOC considering the home international series and workload. Pakistan players will participate in the 2023 edition of the Pakistan Super League (PSL), home series against New Zealand and West Indies during ILT20.

PCB did not show any support for this league and also raised the issue of disadvantages of increasing T20 leagues during the ICC meetings in Birmingham last month.

PCB is also looking to prevent the players from participating in the leagues of the associated countries. Even non-contracted and retired Pakistani cricketers have been allowed to participate in the UAE's ILT20 so far.


PCB is also looking to prevent the players from participating in the leagues of the associated countries. Even non-contracted and retired Pakistani cricketers have been allowed to participate in the UAE's ILT20 so far.

Last month, two Pakistan cricketers received an offer of PKR 120 million each from a franchise of the UAE League while others were also offered huge, however, viewing the attitude of PCB, the franchises have now stopped looking at Pakistani cricketers.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/detail/pcb-deny-players-noc-for-uaes-international-league-t20
 
cricketjoshila said:
Who told you Indian Tv companies will buy the rights? Who will they show? Why will they be allowed to telecast matches of ICC who banned India?

Last time ICC tried to arm twist Indian players, in 2003, courts in India stopped all payments to ICC from India. ICC had threatened to disqualify India, if Indian players dont sign the ambush marketing clause of ICC. Result was that ICC had to compromise and Indian players signed revised contracts.
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https://m.rediff.com/wc2003/2003/jan/22cont.htm

Think what would be the reaction if they ban India? Icc wont get a dime out of this country.

Already Indian owners of franchisee teams in Emirates and CSA league have said they will not sign any pak players and it would cause a back lash in India.

So i suggest you stop thinking what Indians would do, because you are not one and you have no idea.
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So once again are you saying the Ind govt will ban a commercial organisation when it doesnt even concern them. Are you saying Ind is a lawless state where the dictats come from the top.
I think the picture you paint of some fascist entity is accurate, so thanks for that
 
Rajdeep said:
IPL team owners not in favour of including Pakistani cricketers in CSA & UAE T20 leagues: Report

The franchise owners in the UAE and CSA T20 leagues, which are mostly Indians, who also have a team in the IPL, don’t want to see the inclusion of Pakistani players in the upcoming tournaments. Cricketers from Pakistan are not allowed to participate in the IPL, and now, according to a recent report, they are likely to sit out of the UAE and CSA T20 leagues as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...n-csa-uae-t20-leagues-report-article-93404018
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I hope you are right and they dont offer any contracts to PK.
 
Bewal Express said:
So once again are you saying the Ind govt will ban a commercial organisation when it doesnt even concern them. Are you saying Ind is a lawless state where the dictats come from the top.
I think the picture you paint of some fascist entity is accurate, so thanks for that
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If India is banned by ICC, ofcourse ICC would face a ban from the Indian market. During that period in 2002-03 the parliament/court had asked the govt to black out all matches of ICC in India. No Tv telecast.

There is nothing lawless about it. You cannot ban India and then expect to make money here.

Leave that. What will be the diplomatic fall out for the countries who vote to ban India?

Regards to being fascist, a certain ex PM of pakistan kept chanting that word on twitter. No one cared. So think how much value your rants will have?
 
Rajdeep said:
IPL team owners not in favour of including Pakistani cricketers in CSA & UAE T20 leagues: Report

The franchise owners in the UAE and CSA T20 leagues, which are mostly Indians, who also have a team in the IPL, don’t want to see the inclusion of Pakistani players in the upcoming tournaments. Cricketers from Pakistan are not allowed to participate in the IPL, and now, according to a recent report, they are likely to sit out of the UAE and CSA T20 leagues as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...n-csa-uae-t20-leagues-report-article-93404018
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For an Indian company it will be suicidal to sign a Pakistani and then the next day hear him bad mouth India.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Let PCB name the two players and who approached them for the NoC. That will settle this.
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There's nothing to settle. PCB denied them NOCs four days ago. This news came out today.

These IPL owners just come off as desperate to get some attention. No Pakistani player has even expressed a desire to be part of these leagues. And PCB seems to have made their POV on these leagues quite clear long before this news was even reported.
 
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James said:
The home of cricket will always be England.
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I guess we have news for you, that mantle has passed away long time- like it or not England is no longer the home of cricket- everything fans, financial center everything has moved on to India and is rightfully the home of cricket. Just because cricket is your national sport does not make it the home of cricket. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
There's nothing to settle. PCB denied them NOCs four days ago. This news came out today.

These IPL owners just come off as desperate to get some attention. No Pakistani player has even expressed a desire to be part of these leagues. And PCB seems to have made their POV on these leagues quite clear long before this news was even reported.
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Lol. PCB in its statement issued couple of days back said they had made no decision on this.




Lets see who are the owners of the teams in ILT20

1.Abu Dhabi team: Owned by Actor Shahrukh Khan's Knight Riders Group.

2. Dubai Team: Owned by GM Rao. Forbes estimate him to be worth 1.3bn usd. He

3.Gulf Giants: Owned by Gautam Adani. Asia's richest and world's 4th richest man as per forbes and worth $126bn.

4.Sharjah Team: Owned by Ramesh Chandra Sharma who is estimated by forbes to be worth $1.2bn.

5. The 5th team is owned by Mukesh Ambani. He according to forbes is world's 10th and Asia's Second Richest man and worth $92 bn.




IPL owners are mostly billionaires or super stars like SRK, your players and don't need pakistani players or the board for anything. Do you even know what you are talking. :))

IPL runs without any pakistani player that tells you the value the IPL owners attach to pakistan.

Atleast talk sense.

IPL owners needs PCB and pakistani players for attention. :)))

After ban India, this the next big joke.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Lol. PCB in its statement issued couple of days back said they had made no decision on this.




Lets see who are the owners of the teams in ILT20

1.Abu Dhabi team: Owned by Actor Shahrukh Khan's Knight Riders Group.

2. Dubai Team: Owned by GM Rao. Forbes estimate him to be worth 1.3bn usd. He

3.Gulf Giants: Owned by Gautam Adani. Asia's richest and world's 4th richest man as per forbes and worth $126bn.

4.Sharjah Team: Owned by Ramesh Chandra Sharma who is estimated by forbes to be worth $1.2bn.

5. The 5th team is owned by Mukesh Ambani. He according to forbes is world's 10th and Asia's Second Richest man and worth $92 bn.




IPL owners are mostly billionaires or super stars like SRK, your players and don't need pakistani players or the board for anything. Do you even know what you are talking. :))

IPL runs without any pakistani player that tells you the value the IPL owners attach to pakistan.

Atleast talk sense.

IPL owners needs PCB and pakistani players for attention. :)))

After ban India, this the next big joke.
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Whether the news that has been reported is accurate or inaccurate has become irrelevant at this point after the statement of the IPL owners.

What I can't stop laughing about is how desperate these billionaire owners are to get in the good graces of their government and not be seen as "anti-nationals". I mean not one Pakistani player has expressed any desire to play in their crummy team that will likely be full for Zimbabwean and Irish cricketers.

But nevertheless I'll break it down for you nice and simple:

a) These leagues are going to take place during Pakistan's home season and right before the PSL. So the first team Pakistan players are not going to participate in any of these leagues. It just ain't happening.

b) They'll never be able to fill six teams with 9 overseas players + reserves when there are 3 other T20 leagues going on the same time-period. Which is why its highly likely that there will be Pakistani players in this league unless they are expressly denied NOCs from the PCB.

c) If the IPL owners do manage to stop Pakistani players from participating (the ones you won't find anywhere near the Pakistani team) then those guys will just go to the BBL or the BPL. Because incase you have forgotten there are 4 T20 leagues taking place in the same window lol.


So all this is, is a desperate cry for attention from these billionaire owners. Whether a stooge such as yourself admits that or not does not matter.
 
PCB desperately need to do something to make the PSL competitive vis a vis the BBL, BPL, CSA, UAE T20 league and I think they have to find a new window
 
Savak said:
PCB desperately need to do something to make the PSL competitive vis a vis the BBL, BPL, CSA, UAE T20 league and I think they have to find a new window
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Why? All these leagues are taking place at the same time. The PSL is taking place after these leagues have ended. If anything this is a best case scenario for the PCB. Let these four rip each other apart and then once they are done pick up overseas players from all four leagues.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Whether the news that has been reported is accurate or inaccurate has become irrelevant at this point after the statement of the IPL owners.

What I can't stop laughing about is how desperate these billionaire owners are to get in the good graces of their government and not be seen as "anti-nationals". I mean not one Pakistani player has expressed any desire to play in their crummy team that will likely be full for Zimbabwean and Irish cricketers.

But nevertheless I'll break it down for you nice and simple:

a) These leagues are going to take place during Pakistan's home season and right before the PSL. So the first team Pakistan players are not going to participate in any of these leagues. It just ain't happening.

b) They'll never be able to fill six teams with 9 overseas players + reserves when there are 3 other T20 leagues going on the same time-period. Which is why its highly likely that there will be Pakistani players in this league unless they are expressly denied NOCs from the PCB.

c) If the IPL owners do manage to stop Pakistani players from participating (the ones you won't find anywhere near the Pakistani team) then those guys will just go to the BBL or the BPL. Because incase you have forgotten there are 4 T20 leagues taking place in the same window lol.


So all this is, is a desperate cry for attention from these billionaire owners. Whether a stooge such as yourself admits that or not does not matter.
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Why will they want to play pakistanis? Pakistan is a hostile nation. Ofcourse the people wont like Indian owners hiring pakistanis. This is not about government, but the common indian.

Zimbabwe? Ireland? This is not some phateechar league.

A) Doesn't matter when this league takes place. 5 of the 6 teams are owned by Indians and they aint giving a dime to any pakistani.

B) None of the 5 Indian owned teams wii hire any pakistani. The 6th team is not owned by any Indian, ask them if they will hire one of your guys.

C) if Indian owners dont hire pakistanis, thats pakistanis potentially out of all the top 3 richest cricket leagues.

What was that again? IPL owners desperate for attention? :))) Your players and your board are absolute nobodies here. IPL proved it when they banned them.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Whether the news that has been reported is accurate or inaccurate has become irrelevant at this point after the statement of the IPL owners.

What I can't stop laughing about is how desperate these billionaire owners are to get in the good graces of their government and not be seen as "anti-nationals". I mean not one Pakistani player has expressed any desire to play in their crummy team that will likely be full for Zimbabwean and Irish cricketers.

But nevertheless I'll break it down for you nice and simple:

a) These leagues are going to take place during Pakistan's home season and right before the PSL. So the first team Pakistan players are not going to participate in any of these leagues. It just ain't happening.

b) They'll never be able to fill six teams with 9 overseas players + reserves when there are 3 other T20 leagues going on the same time-period. Which is why its highly likely that there will be Pakistani players in this league unless they are expressly denied NOCs from the PCB.

c) If the IPL owners do manage to stop Pakistani players from participating (the ones you won't find anywhere near the Pakistani team) then those guys will just go to the BBL or the BPL. Because incase you have forgotten there are 4 T20 leagues taking place in the same window lol.


So all this is, is a desperate cry for attention from these billionaire owners. Whether a stooge such as yourself admits that or not does not matter.
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You are simply assuming that since these leagues will take place during Pakistan home series and just before PSL, Pak players would have rejected the offer anyway had they been offered in 1st place. Money do matter a lot mate. It is easy for us to sit behind computer screen and talk about patriotism but for most people, it is - Sabse bada rupaya.

If a player been offered millions of dollars contract,he would give 2nd thought...even though it is clashing with international cricket or home league. M.Amir has quit playing for Pakistan just so that he can earn money by playing leagues around. You think if IPL owners show interest in Pak players with double or triple the money they are getting in PSL, there wont be more M.Amir's from current Pak side? I very much doubt it

Didn't Wasim Akram said once 'Mai kya amrood bechu?' when asked why is he working in India and not coming back to Pakistan to help PCB? He worked in IPL up until Pulwama attacks and so did Ramiz Raja. They chose to ignore the fact that it is the same league that has banned Pakistani players. So this patriotism only sounds good in forum.

Warner chose to dump BBL to participate in UAE league bcoz of the money. I have no doubt if IPL owners show interest in Pakistani players tomorrow, many would dump PSL as well to play in the IPL.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Why will they want to play pakistanis? Pakistan is a hostile nation. Ofcourse the people wont like Indian owners hiring pakistanis. This is not about government, but the common indian.

Zimbabwe? Ireland? This is not some phateechar league.

A) Doesn't matter when this league takes place. 5 of the 6 teams are owned by Indians and they aint giving a dime to any pakistani.

B) None of the 5 Indian owned teams wii hire any pakistani. The 6th team is not owned by any Indian, ask them if they will hire one of your guys.

C) if Indian owners dont hire pakistanis, thats pakistanis potentially out of all the top 3 richest cricket leagues.

What was that again? IPL owners desperate for attention? :))) Your players and your board are absolute nobodies here. IPL proved it when they banned them.
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Your making out as if its some national disaster. A few PKs won't make money, and apparently that is a great victory for your people and govt. Well as a PK, we couldn't care less.
 
Rajdeep said:
You are simply assuming that since these leagues will take place during Pakistan home series and just before PSL, Pak players would have rejected the offer anyway had they been offered in 1st place. Money do matter a lot mate. It is easy for us to sit behind computer screen and talk about patriotism but for most people, it is - Sabse bada rupaya.

If a player been offered millions of dollars contract,he would give 2nd thought...even though it is clashing with international cricket or home league. M.Amir has quit playing for Pakistan just so that he can earn money by playing leagues around. You think if IPL owners show interest in Pak players with double or triple the money they are getting in PSL, there wont be more M.Amir's from current Pak side? I very much doubt it

Didn't Wasim Akram said once 'Mai kya amrood bechu?' when asked why is he working in India and not coming back to Pakistan to help PCB? He worked in IPL up until Pulwama attacks and so did Ramiz Raja. They chose to ignore the fact that it is the same league that has banned Pakistani players. So this patriotism only sounds good in forum.

Warner chose to dump BBL to participate in UAE league bcoz of the money. I have no doubt if IPL owners show interest in Pakistani players tomorrow, many would dump PSL as well to play in the IPL.
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No I'm not assuming anything. When Pakistan players have a series coming up they make themselves available for it. They don't willingly skip national duty for big payouts like South Africans, New Zealenders do. The idea that an established member of the side like (forget Babar or Shaheen) Khushdil Shah or Asif Ali would miss an international series for a freakin' T20 league is too dumb to even be taken seriously my most people here.

Yeah well I got news for you, not everyone is Mohammad Amir. You seemed to have just assumed that everyone is greedy and is in it solely for the money. But you're deeply mistaken in thinking that. For some people nothing compares to the feeling of doing well for your country. Guys like Amir filter out on their own.

If you really think that someone like Babar or Shaheen or Rizwan would lose their minds if they got an IPL contract then you're even more deluded than I thought.

Bringing completely irrelevent things that have nothing to do with the cricketers into this debate won't change a thing.

Also, Warner hasn't chosen anything. As of last reporting, he had a massive BBL contract offer on the table.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Why will they want to play pakistanis? Pakistan is a hostile nation. Ofcourse the people wont like Indian owners hiring pakistanis. This is not about government, but the common indian.

Zimbabwe? Ireland? This is not some phateechar league.

A) Doesn't matter when this league takes place. 5 of the 6 teams are owned by Indians and they aint giving a dime to any pakistani.

B) None of the 5 Indian owned teams wii hire any pakistani. The 6th team is not owned by any Indian, ask them if they will hire one of your guys.

C) if Indian owners dont hire pakistanis, thats pakistanis potentially out of all the top 3 richest cricket leagues.

What was that again? IPL owners desperate for attention? :))) Your players and your board are absolute nobodies here. IPL proved it when they banned them.
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Like I said, no Pakistani player has expressed any interest in playing in this league. No person on this forum has expressed more interest in Pakistani players being or not being a part of this league more than you. So I guess all these IPL owners are trying to do, based on what you're saying, is trying to grab the attention of "the common indian", as you put it. Well good on em' because they seem to have done that.

And I guess they need to grab some headlines if they want this low-rent T20 league---that is probably going to be filled with whatever scraps of talent left that aren't Indian, Pakistani, Australian, South African or Bangladeshi---to work.

Initially I was kinda surprised that people who are billionaires would take time out of their (I'm assuming) busy lives to focus on something so insignificant. But then I realized that when certain mentally small people manage to become billionaires then they have to constantly grab attention and remind everyone that they exist, are important and should be loved. So I admit, I was wrong when I said that this is a desperate cry for attention. It's a completely pre-meditated cry for attention by some very mentally small people.
 
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Like I said, no Pakistani player has expressed any interest in playing in this league. .
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Maybe not yet. If Babar, Shaheen or Rizwan were offered lucrative 12 month contracts by these indian billionaires to play in UAE and SA, all three of them would instantly retire and ditch their national team to earn their millions. That is the reality and everyone knows it. There is no such thing as patriotism when money is involved.
 
RexRex said:
Maybe not yet. If Babar, Shaheen or Rizwan were offered lucrative 12 month contracts by these indian billionaires to play in UAE and SA, all three of them would instantly retire and ditch their national team to earn their millions. That is the reality and everyone knows it. There is no such thing as patriotism when money is involved.
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Please

Take Rizwan for 12 months and let him ditch Pakistan
 
Btw not sure why the BCCI is okay with this. There are now 5 T20 leagues that are now going to take place before the IPL ie Big Bash, BPL, CSA, UAE and the PSL.

A lot of international players who play in the IPL also play in some of these leagues and will receive lucrative offers at least in the CSA and UAE league and will not turn down the offers. There is going to be a high risk of fatigue, injuries leading into the IPL. This also includes the non BCCI contacted Indian players who will be allowed to play in CSA and UAE.
 
RexRex said:
Maybe not yet. If Babar, Shaheen or Rizwan were offered lucrative 12 month contracts by these indian billionaires to play in UAE and SA, all three of them would instantly retire and ditch their national team to earn their millions. That is the reality and everyone knows it. There is no such thing as patriotism when money is involved.
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Indian owners have made it clear no Pakistani players on their watch. Hence no risk of this yet.
 
According to media reports, the likes of Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab and Co have received offers of Rs 120-140 million from the CSA and UAE Leagues.

The PCB is refusing to issue the Nocs and is also refusing to compensate the players as well. The players are not happy about this and are demanding a meeting with Ramiz Raja and have threatened that if they don't get their way, they will take up the matter with the Prime Minister if needed.
 
Psl will be finished , and pakistan intl team will face the same dilemma like west indies where its best players will shirk national duty to go and play as mercs in t20 leagues.

And when it comes to flexibility , t20 leagues less intense on the body and the main thing money and pakistan being a bankrupt failed country with an uncertain future and no opportunities for young people and their talents a culture of nepotism and corruption.

who can blame the players for thinking of their futures
 
Savak said:
According to media reports, the likes of Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab and Co have received offers of Rs 120-140 million from the CSA and UAE Leagues.

The PCB is refusing to issue the Nocs and is also refusing to compensate the players as well. The players are not happy about this and are demanding a meeting with Ramiz Raja and have threatened that if they don't get their way, they will take up the matter with the Prime Minister if needed.
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According to media reports no Indian owner has offered any pakistani player any money. So that rules out the CSA league. In the UAE league one team is owned by the Glazers, and rumours are they may have offered a couple of pakistanis.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Like I said, no Pakistani player has expressed any interest in playing in this league. No person on this forum has expressed more interest in Pakistani players being or not being a part of this league more than you. So I guess all these IPL owners are trying to do, based on what you're saying, is trying to grab the attention of "the common indian", as you put it. Well good on em' because they seem to have done that.

And I guess they need to grab some headlines if they want this low-rent T20 league---that is probably going to be filled with whatever scraps of talent left that aren't Indian, Pakistani, Australian, South African or Bangladeshi---to work.

Initially I was kinda surprised that people who are billionaires would take time out of their (I'm assuming) busy lives to focus on something so insignificant. But then I realized that when certain mentally small people manage to become billionaires then they have to constantly grab attention and remind everyone that they exist, are important and should be loved. So I admit, I was wrong when I said that this is a desperate cry for attention. It's a completely pre-meditated cry for attention by some very mentally small people.
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As i said your players and your board are absolute no bodies to IPL owners. They have shown that in the IPL.

This low rent league pays much more than PSL. So what is PSL? Beggars league?

What you didn't realize that while PSL owners are fighting PCB to get scraps out of the PSL revenue, IPL owners are buying 3-4 teams in other leagues as well.

I can understand your frustrations at how IPL owners treat pakistani players and board with utter disdain and how they can afford to buy 3-4 teams while PSL owners are fighting over scraps of revenue from the PSL.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What you didn't realize that while PSL owners are fighting PCB to get scraps out of the PSL revenue, IPL owners are buying 3-4 teams in other leagues as well.
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Qalandars have a team in T10 league and they and Zalmi did buy couple of T20 teams in the defunct South Africa's initial T20 venture which never took of. So not sure about scraps, businessmen want the best propositions for them and don't generally let their ego come in the way of asking whatever extra they can grab in the offer. If they would have been struggling that much then they would have been long gone, not a single franchise of PSL has been defunct (Just one owner of Multan Sultans was changed and that was due to previous owner's (Schon group) multiple issues) unlike what we have observed in CPL, BPL, LPL, SA leagues and so.
 
Titan24 said:
Qalandars have a team in T10 league and they and Zalmi did buy couple of T20 teams in the defunct South Africa's initial T20 venture which never took of. So not sure about scraps, businessmen want the best propositions for them and don't generally let their ego come in the way of asking whatever extra they can grab in the offer. If they would have been struggling that much then they would have been long gone, not a single franchise of PSL has been defunct (Just one owner of Multan Sultans was changed and that was due to previous owner's (Schon group) multiple issues) unlike what we have observed in CPL, BPL, LPL, SA leagues and so.
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IPL owners have teams in atleast 4 leagues and have shown interest in buying teams in BBL too.

IPL owners took on losses for some years but you never heard them fighting the bcci demanding more money. This despite the fact that the IPL expenses are many times more than PSL. There is s difference between a person/corporation who has billion dollar net worth and some other just rich businessman.

That difference reflects in the ipl and PSL owners.

Shahrukh Khan is estimated to be worth $700mn plus and he is apparently the poorest IPL owner.

These deep pockets mean that they can take losses and help the league grow by making investments in the team. Result is that IPL is the richest cricket league in the world.
 
RexRex said:
Maybe not yet. If Babar, Shaheen or Rizwan were offered lucrative 12 month contracts by these indian billionaires to play in UAE and SA, all three of them would instantly retire and ditch their national team to earn their millions. That is the reality and everyone knows it. There is no such thing as patriotism when money is involved.
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Yeah that ain't happening. IPL contracts are not the reason players get into cricket. Representing their country and being remembered in history is.

This will never happen. Not even in a hypothetical world. And you are living in an alternate reality if you think it will.
 
cricketjoshila said:
As i said your players and your board are absolute no bodies to IPL owners. They have shown that in the IPL.

This low rent league pays much more than PSL. So what is PSL? Beggars league?

What you didn't realize that while PSL owners are fighting PCB to get scraps out of the PSL revenue, IPL owners are buying 3-4 teams in other leagues as well.

I can understand your frustrations at how IPL owners treat pakistani players and board with utter disdain and how they can afford to buy 3-4 teams while PSL owners are fighting over scraps of revenue from the PSL.
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Such nobodies that you have to constantly give us attention by talking about us. :wahab2

Have have you even seen the overseas players in this league? Tom Banton and Akael Hossain are among the 'marquee names'. There are zero players from India, Pakistan, Australia and South Africa. Most of the teams will likely be filled with leftover Zimbabwean, Afghan, Sri Lankan and West Indian talent...and English players that are not worth the money for BBL franchises. There are even players from Namibia, Ireland, Scotland who will get some contracts. So yeah, its a pretty low-rent league and the money that players are being paid has nothing to do with it because the product looks rotten. Even the T20 league that Canada came up with had a more diverse talent pool and bigger names like Warner, Smith, Shoaib Malik.

IPL owners can buy all the teams that they want they'll never be able to impede Pakistani players' ability to make money because the market is already flooded with T20 leagues that take all through out the year. Pakistani players usually get NOCs for 3 T20 leagues max. per year anyway and they don't need to play in the Emirates or CSA league to keep making money which take place at the same time anyway.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
No I'm not assuming anything. When Pakistan players have a series coming up they make themselves available for it. They don't willingly skip national duty for big payouts like South Africans, New Zealenders do. The idea that an established member of the side like (forget Babar or Shaheen) Khushdil Shah or Asif Ali would miss an international series for a freakin' T20 league is too dumb to even be taken seriously my most people here.

Yeah well I got news for you, not everyone is Mohammad Amir. You seemed to have just assumed that everyone is greedy and is in it solely for the money. But you're deeply mistaken in thinking that. For some people nothing compares to the feeling of doing well for your country. Guys like Amir filter out on their own.

If you really think that someone like Babar or Shaheen or Rizwan would lose their minds if they got an IPL contract then you're even more deluded than I thought.

Bringing completely irrelevent things that have nothing to do with the cricketers into this debate won't change a thing.

Also, Warner hasn't chosen anything. As of last reporting, he had a massive BBL contract offer on the table.
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As I said there is no definate way to prove this as Pak players would never be offered any IPL contract in near future, atleast not till the ruling govt in power. But money makes people do weird things. You can continue to believe that Pak players would choose PSL & International cricket over million dollar IPL deals (if offered) but I think most would jump the ship at very first instance like M.Amir did. You can say all you want that everyone is not as greedy as Amir but how do you know? People's greed can only be judged if money is offered in the table.

Patriotism sounds only good when you have nothing at stake but money can buy everything. Remember ICL and how many Pak players back then were willing to let go national duty for ICL money? Now imagine a league like IPL offering 10 times more, you saying players would skip national duty for big payouts? LOL.
 
Rajdeep said:
As I said there is no definate way to prove this as Pak players would never be offered any IPL contract in near future, atleast not till the ruling govt in power. But money makes people do weird things. You can continue to believe that Pak players would choose PSL & International cricket over million dollar IPL deals (if offered) but I think most would jump the ship at very first instance like M.Amir did. You can say all you want that everyone is not as greedy as Amir but how do you know? People's greed can only be judged if money is offered in the table.

Patriotism sounds only good when you have nothing at stake but money can buy everything. Remember ICL and how many Pak players back then were willing to let go national duty for ICL money? Now imagine a league like IPL offering 10 times more, you saying players would skip national duty for big payouts? LOL.
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So on one hand you are saying that there is no definite way to prove this, and then on the other hand you keep going on about the exact same thing you've already said. Sounds kinda contradictory to me.

But I do know that that wouldn't happen. Because even if (in this hypothetical situation of yours) guys like Shaheen or Babar did that and put their patriotism aside for some big cash payouts, they would be leaving with their passports and not coming back to Pakistan. Because the public would eat them alive for putting an IPL contract over national duty. The Pakistani and Indian public is not like the South Africans and New Zealanders. Especially in the current environment when hostility with the neighbor has been reinforced even more by the respective governments.
 
Rajdeep said:
As I said there is no definate way to prove this as Pak players would never be offered any IPL contract in near future, atleast not till the ruling govt in power. But money makes people do weird things. You can continue to believe that Pak players would choose PSL & International cricket over million dollar IPL deals (if offered) but I think most would jump the ship at very first instance like M.Amir did. You can say all you want that everyone is not as greedy as Amir but how do you know? People's greed can only be judged if money is offered in the table.

Patriotism sounds only good when you have nothing at stake but money can buy everything. Remember ICL and how many Pak players back then were willing to let go national duty for ICL money? Now imagine a league like IPL offering 10 times more, you saying players would skip national duty for big payouts? LOL.
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ICL was made up of guys who were out of favor with the selectors (Yousuf, Razzag, Rana, Imran Nazir) guys who were never good enough to play anything more than a few matches for Pakistan (Humayun Farhat, Shahid Nazir, Naved Latif, Shahid Yousuf) or guys who were retired like Inzamam.

The only reason they were playing ICL is because they weren't getting much money playing domestic cricket or sitting at home.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah that ain't happening. IPL contracts are not the reason players get into cricket. Representing their country and being remembered in history is.

This will never happen. Not even in a hypothetical world. And you are living in an alternate reality if you think it will.
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Bro I disdain IPL / BCCI as much as everyone else here but..

Money talks and that is the reality of life - patriotism (especially in cricket) is an imaginary concept. IF PSL ever takes off and sustains itself for 9 months a year - I guarantee everyone in our T20 national team would retire in favor of PSL… barring the odd friendly game or World T20.

Not even discussing what would happen if IPL offered our player a lifetime contract. It’s a no-brained financially..
 
How many pakistani players ran away to play the ICL? How many went to the packer series?
 
msb314 said:
Bro I disdain IPL / BCCI as much as everyone else here but..

Money talks and that is the reality of life - patriotism (especially in cricket) is an imaginary concept. IF PSL ever takes off and sustains itself for 9 months a year - I guarantee everyone in our T20 national team would retire in favor of PSL… barring the odd friendly game or World T20.

Not even discussing what would happen if IPL offered our player a lifetime contract. It’s a no-brained financially..
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Yeah I don't believe that. That would never happen.
 
Rajdeep said:
M.Amir thinks otherwise. You are just assuming others wont follow that path or the path that ICL players followed. Its called living under delusion...lol.
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Amir was not good enough to play for Pakistan once he came back. And he knew it which is why he retired immediately once he was dropped so that he was able to make whatever money he could for the limited number of years he had left on his career.

Already told you that ICL was full of Pakistani players who were not being selected or simply not good enough to be selected. In 2009, when Pakistan announced ICL players in their World Cup squad, Razzaq, Rana, Imran Nazir, all came crawling back. So the example that you are giving is factually incorrect.

The only person who is living in a delusional fantasy is you. Where you think that an IPL contract is the be all and end all of cricket. Yeah, everyone loves money but not everyone is willing to sell their soul for an IPL contract. But if that makes you rest easy at night, keep telling yourself that. You deserve to live in whatever deluded fantasy world you are living in.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ILT20 has released its first list of players.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...February-2023-Post-68&p=11535794#post11535794
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Pretty average Marquee list to be honest if we take into account the kind of hype and the rumors that were going around with some big sums of money supposedly involved.

Nothing much in the local UAE talent to bring in the viewers, not sure how many are required in the XI. Other than 4-5 not much of crowd pulling power even in these overseas names.

So far things are looking well short of the hype. Lets see how it goes.
 
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Bewal Express said:
Which is peanuts compared to the millions they have lost and will lose
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I'm guessing the same applies for BCCI for nurturing criket in India and creating a market for the sport. Why should countries like Pakistan get any share from it? For that matter all country should get nothing from any other country's revenue. live within your means.
 
Bewal Express said:
Ind market doesn't mean the BCCI. Ind people will still watch cricket even Ind don't partake( not as many but still a huge number). So stop this silly nonsense that the Ind market is owned by the BCCI.
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Yeah, how dare a board which nurtured cricket in India have control over it.

from the other side of your mouth

>>Which is peanuts compared to the millions they have lost and will lose<<

becos CA and ECB have the right to earn millions from their investment, but BCCI, good old colonial rules applies to them.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Yeah, how dare a board which nurtured cricket in India have control over it.

from the other side of your mouth

>>Which is peanuts compared to the millions they have lost and will lose<<

becos CA and ECB have the right to earn millions from their investment, but BCCI, good old colonial rules applies to them.
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Cricket is big in Ind because of the fact that Ind is useless at every other Sport like us. Nothing to do with the board.
 
rpant_gabba said:
@mominsaigol whats you take here? some interesting takes given your enormous background in business
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This was a long time ago, the criticism was based of a IPL taking away traction from Big Bash league which is why CA complained.

Idk about ECB as I don't follow em much but CA is money oriented. However they won't complain now as Without Australia IPL loses some traction. Travis Head, Pat Cummins etc etc are IPL's biggest overseas stars getting opening and captaincy positions and fetching big bucks.

No one wants to play a league without England, Australia, Sa, NZ and even WI as wi are league stars despite their waining relevance.

As I said it's all about money. Don't blame CA for not supporting lower nations. Bcci isn't a charity and are doing everything based of their own interests.

Supporting lower teams gives them more revenue and makes ipl stronger + gives yearly tournaments relevance since no one wants a tournament with only 5 teams.

Pakistan is an exception however even that is a money issue. Bcci doesn't want to risk paying for extra security.

They know Pakistan atm is somewhat safe since other teams are visiting and issues might not arise however they will still have to pay for extra security and deal with a bunch of money issues via the goverment, visa issues and it's not worth paying for that hassle.

CA gets nothing from playing Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Netherlands etc etc. What do these teams offer them?

Cricket only attracts 1.2M people from Australia out of 26M, compared to India where 800M people watch out of 1.3B and possibly more since some of them can't watch due to high poverty rates and the statistics can't really accurately measure their interests.
 
mominsaigol said:
This was a long time ago, the criticism was based of a IPL taking away traction from Big Bash league which is why CA complained.

Idk about ECB as I don't follow em much but CA is money oriented. However they won't complain now as Without Australia IPL loses some traction. Travis Head, Pat Cummins etc etc are IPL's biggest overseas stars getting opening and captaincy positions and fetching big bucks.

No one wants to play a league without England, Australia, Sa, NZ and even WI as wi are league stars despite their waining relevance.

As I said it's all about money. Don't blame CA for not supporting lower nations. Bcci isn't a charity and are doing everything based of their own interests.

Supporting lower teams gives them more revenue and makes ipl stronger + gives yearly tournaments relevance since no one wants a tournament with only 5 teams.

Pakistan is an exception however even that is a money issue. Bcci doesn't want to risk paying for extra security.

They know Pakistan atm is somewhat safe since other teams are visiting and issues might not arise however they will still have to pay for extra security and deal with a bunch of money issues via the goverment, visa issues and it's not worth paying for that hassle.

CA gets nothing from playing Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Netherlands etc etc. What do these teams offer them?

Cricket only attracts 1.2M people from Australia out of 26M, compared to India where 800M people watch out of 1.3B and possibly more since some of them can't watch due to high poverty rates and the statistics can't really accurately measure their interests.
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Damn, here I though there is going to be some great new insight.

If I understood you correctly, the convicts are being impotent whiny little bithces now that they along with the wardens don't have the ability push other boards around.
 
I have immense respect for ECB cor saying no to the Saudis. They may be envious of BCCI but they could not sell their soul. This is where Britannia shines
 
Bewal Express said:
Cricket is big in Ind because of the fact that Ind is useless at every other Sport like us. Nothing to do with the board.
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True to an extent. It also shows how useless and pathetic Pakistan is, they can't even do the same with the only sport they are half decent at.
 
ravisurya said:
True to an extent. It also shows how useless and pathetic Pakistan is, they can't even do the same with the only sport they are half decent at.
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and inspite enourmous handouts from uncle sam from the very beginning.

does not paint a flattering picture of Pakistan and its citizens
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Initially I was kinda surprised that people who are billionaires would take time out of their (I'm assuming) busy lives to focus on something so insignificant. But then I realized that when certain mentally small people manage to become billionaires then they have to constantly grab attention and remind everyone that they exist, are important and should be loved. So I admit, I was wrong when I said that this is a desperate cry for attention. It's a completely pre-meditated cry for attention by some very mentally small people.
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You dropped some truth bombs. I entirely agree with you.

I think this is less about cricket and more about bragging. Bragging by small-minded petty people who seek attention and validation. :inti
 
rpant_gabba said:
Damn, here I though there is going to be some great new insight.

If I understood you correctly, the convicts are being impotent whiny little bithces now that they along with the wardens don't have the ability push other boards around.
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The only one who's whining and bit@hing is you and @Vikram1989 lol.

As I said you guys don't understand money and you think Bcci is some sort of charity organization that's supporting lower nations out of the goodness of its own heart.

It makes since none of you guys have ever travelled internationally and live inside an indian bubble.

Also about the whole convicts thing, let me brush up on your history, their have been people living in Australia for over 5000 years before captain Cook invaded and threw his convicts here.

The British weren't just, you should know considering they invaded your land, threw a bunch if indians in jail, Beheaded the mughuls and slaughtered + looted dozens of your people.

Who they branded as convicts means nothing since they branded pretty much all of the subcontinent as slaves and worthless creatures.

The aboriginals who lived in Australia for over 5000 years gave these so called exiles a new home and allowed them to thrive in such a homeland.

While UK was too busy getting dominated left and right and sucking up to the US during world war, Australia was chilling in the sun 🌞.

Again you guys have no idea how business works nor do you guys have any knowledge about history either.

Those convicts didn't come into an empty land, they were instantly accepted by the people already living here.

Maybe you indians should have come to Australia back then. If so you'd probs have been treated properly and wouldn't get robbed, beaten and butchered black and blue by the British.
 
mominsaigol said:
The only one who's whining and bit@hing is you and @Vikram1989 lol.



The aboriginals who lived in Australia for over 5000 years gave these so called exiles a new home and allowed them to thrive in such a homeland.

While UK was too busy getting dominated left and right and sucking up to the US during world war, Australia was chilling in the sun 🌞.

Again you guys have no idea how business works nor do you guys have any knowledge about history either.

Those convicts didn't come into an empty land, they were instantly accepted by the people already living here.

Maybe you indians should have come to Australia back then. If so you'd probs have been treated properly and wouldn't get robbed, beaten and butchered black and blue by the British.
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What the Fooooooc !!

I guess Palestinians are instantly accepting the Israelis in Gaza as per your definition.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Who are Aboriginal Australians—and why are they still fighting for recognition?

They could be the oldest population of humans living outside of Africa—yet Australia has still never made a treaty with its Indigenous people.
www.nationalgeographic.com www.nationalgeographic.com

australian.museum

Genocide in Australia

The term genocide has been previously controversial when being applied to Australian History, so why use the term genocide? We need to use the term genocide so we do not minimise the legacy of the colonisation and how the effects contemporarily manifest themselves.
australian.museum australian.museum

Come back to Earth, dont live on Mars!

Not gonna bother to correct about the world war claim.. man Gazab bande ho!
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
What the Fooooooc !!

I guess Palestinians are instantly accepting the Israelis in Gaza as per your definition.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Who are Aboriginal Australians—and why are they still fighting for recognition?

They could be the oldest population of humans living outside of Africa—yet Australia has still never made a treaty with its Indigenous people.
www.nationalgeographic.com www.nationalgeographic.com

australian.museum

Genocide in Australia

The term genocide has been previously controversial when being applied to Australian History, so why use the term genocide? We need to use the term genocide so we do not minimise the legacy of the colonisation and how the effects contemporarily manifest themselves.
australian.museum australian.museum

Come back to Earth, dont live on Mars!

Not gonna bother to correct about the world war claim.. man Gazab bande ho!
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No, you're wrong, they gave them a new home on their land. These genocides happened later cause the British were pigs who just wanted to.invade and invade.

Even their convicts couldn't settle and live in peace and wanted to take and take.

The og Australians were nice, kind and innocent people which can be expected from a civilization older then china
 
mominsaigol said:
No, you're wrong, they gave them a new home on their land. These genocides happened later cause the British were pigs who just wanted to.invade and invade.

Even their convicts couldn't settle and live in peace and wanted to take and take.

The og Australians were nice, kind and innocent people which can be expected from a civilization older then china
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Bhai rehne do ab, haven't even touched your chill world war 2 claim.
Jaane do, I dont know the exact context of your debate with others but the post was ludicrous.
Just :facepalm
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Bhai rehne do ab, haven't even touched your chill world war 2 claim.
Jaane do, I dont know the exact context of your debate with others but the post was ludicrous.
Just :facepalm
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As u said that post was atrocious at best.Aboriginals won't trust any one .so there is no question of warm welcome.Aboriginals were persecuted and treated like trash.they didn't have vote rights till 1966.Aboriginals consider day of British landing as "Invasion Day".

en.wikipedia.org

First Fleet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
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