Donald Trump & Michael Flynn - Military conflict and all out War - Not "If?" but "How soon?"

[Yossarian]

Donald Trump & Michael Flynn - Military conflict and all out War - Not "If?" but "How soon?"

The president’s national security adviser plays a unique role inside the West Wing. Unlike almost every other corner of the presidency, national security is unquestionably controlled exclusively by the commander-in-chief.

Short of declaring war and obtaining a defense budget, the president needs nobody else’s say-so to unleash the world’s most powerful military, intelligence services and diplomatic corps.

When a leader is both boastful and indecisive, the leadership vacuum is filled by aides who feed into the posturing but compensate for the indecision. Flynn fills that Trump-shaped hole perfectly.

But we know where this leads. Cheney cherry-picked manipulated intelligence reports to build a case for the war in Iraq that was the single worst US national security decision in a generation. We are still living with its consequences today, with Isis and a global refugee crisis that is unthinkable without the Iraq war.

Condoleezza Rice, Bush’s national security adviser, was unable to control the hawks inside the cabinet, even as she leaned towards the doves. Flynn doesn’t need to control any hawks, because he is leading the pack.

The opportunity for Flynn to cherry pick intelligence is almost limitless. With his public hatred of Islam and his desire to wage a war of religion, the case for military action will be simple inside the Trump West Wing.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ll-be-a-disaster-as-national-security-adviser

The most likely first target? Iran.

Trump, along with many of those he's appointing to senior positions, has stated that he will revoke the nuclear deal with Iran. Whilst others are simply itching to have a go "at Islam", and Iran provides the perfect excuse on many levels.

Which means:

* The nuclear deal with Iran cancelled.
* US sanctions against Iran re-imposed.
* Iran unable to sell oil and generate revenue
* Iran unable to trade with most companies/countries in the West (Trump will find ways to prevent it).

With the nuclear deal cancelled, the political situation will not just revert back to the way it was before the nuclear deal was agreed, but in fact be much worse:

* Iran will resume it's Uranium enrichment activities

* Israel will attack the Iranian nuclear facilities (with the full backing of the USA including active military support)

* Iran will retaliate against Israel.

* Trump & co will unleash the full might of the US destructive power on Iran

The fallout in the whole region will make the situation in Iraq & Syria since the Iraq War seem like child's play.

Am I being a Doomsday merchant? I don't think so.
The above scenario is not just a possibility, but a likely probability

 

[HussainRx8]

He's filling up these posts with racists, anti-Semites, and Islamophobes. His administration will implode sooner than later.

Since he has no experience with these issues, he will likely acquiesce to his advisors and the VP.

 

[Saeed]

Not only Israel will have the backing of America but Saudis, Qatar and UAE too. Iranian Mullahs haven't done themselves any favors by getting involved in other countries. Trump will have to deal with Russia though because Iran is allied with Russia. Hopefully Russia will stay calm.

 

[HussainRx8]

So you agree or disagree with the OP?

I disagree with the premise. He will not cancel the Iran deal. I believe most opponents of the deal have backed off, including Israel. Even Trump was lukewarm about it.

I do think that he will push American further into the Mideast quagmire. He will be more militaristic.

 

[Pakistanian]

Trump will eventually realize that there are limitations to his power, he can't just go around and invade countries.

 

[Yossarian]

Trump will eventually realize that there are limitations to his power, he can't just go around and invade countries.

It's not Trump that is the really worry. It's those that he's appointing around him. Just read about the backgrounds of most of them and their expressed views, actions and statements in the past. I suggest you read the full article from which the quotes in the OP are taken.

 

[KingKhanWC]

His team so far is solely Zionists and warmongers.

Iran will definitely be high on their agenda but I think they will try to end the current deal, place further sanctions and use this method to weaken Iran again. All out war is still a far stretch away considering Russia has always backed Iran but it will only take an attack in the US or a false flag blamed on Iran to ignite the drums of war.

 

[PakLFC]

....and some Pakistani fool's like Ahmed Qureshi insist how Trump winning the elections is good for Muslim's and Pakistan. If Nawaz is removed the American's could very well be coming for us before anyone else. Attacking Iran means China will surely get involved as well that means WW3, sorry to be a killjoy folks. This is what Trump wants and why he has been bought to power, the first victim's of this madness will be the American people themselves losing all their rights in the name of national security. It's Trump who is appointing these war monger's not anyone else, he has to live by the pre election promises he made. Even the Klu Klux Klan are supporting Trump that says it all. Some very hard years ahead for all the world.

 

[sjahmed23]

Don't think Trump will do anything to Iran. However, under trump's presidency I expect Saudis to get weaker and this could potentially mean less wahabi influence in the islamic world.

 

[Cracket]

Guardian, along with CNN/NYTimes/WashPo/ABC etc have been railing against Trump since last year. So take nothing that comes out of them seriously. Western Press is mainly living in their own bubble (If Trump's upset victory wasn't evidence enough).

Here's the main point: Trump has repeatedly pledged to go directly against D.C.'s agenda in Foreign Policy. He has criticized NATO and Regime-change wars. He has in two debates said he does not want to fight Assad. That's good news.

Now Trump is filling up his cabinet with neocons who backed the Iraq war. This is alarming, but come to think of it, there really aren't many republicans who didn't back the Iraq war or who didn't stand in line with hawk policies. However, Trump is still the top dog and probably will motivate change in overall D.C. agenda in Mid-East.

* The nuclear deal with Iran cancelled.

This will not happen. Guardian is full of so much BS. People need to treat the formerly old guard of reputable western media with the same credibility they do RT.

 

[Pakistanian]

Trump has to be one of the most umpopular presidents to be elected and have such a low public approval before even being sworn into office. He doesn't have much to lose by going full cuckoo.

 

[Pakistanian]

Guardian, along with CNN/NYTimes/WashPo/ABC etc have been railing against Trump since last year. So take nothing that comes out of them seriously. Western Press is mainly living in their own bubble (If Trump's upset victory wasn't evidence enough).

Here's the main point: Trump has repeatedly pledged to go directly against D.C.'s agenda in Foreign Policy. He has criticized NATO and Regime-change wars. He has in two debates said he does not want to fight Assad. That's good news.

Now Trump is filling up his cabinet with neocons who backed the Iraq war. This is alarming, but come to think of it, there really aren't many republicans who didn't back the Iraq war or who didn't stand in line with hawk policies. However, Trump is still the top dog and probably will motivate change in overall D.C. agenda in Mid-East.



This will not happen. Guardian is full of so much BS. People need to treat the formerly old guard of reputable western media with the same credibility they do RT.

That's really wishful thinking, one man can't change the deep state and the entire foreign policy. Trump's just a façade, to make anti-establishment folks "feel" good that "something's" being done.

 

[Cracket]

That's really wishful thinking, one man can't change the deep state and the entire foreign policy. Trump's just a façade, to make anti-establishment folks "feel" good that "something's" being done.

You need to let go of these conspiracy theories.

 

[Pakistanian]

You need to let go of these conspiracy theories.

The biggest conspiracy theory is that Trump is "anti-establishment", what's funny is that he's staffing his cabinet with conspiracy nuts

 

[HussainRx8]

Guardian, along with CNN/NYTimes/WashPo/ABC etc have been railing against Trump since last year. So take nothing that comes out of them seriously. Western Press is mainly living in their own bubble (If Trump's upset victory wasn't evidence enough).

Here's the main point: Trump has repeatedly pledged to go directly against D.C.'s agenda in Foreign Policy. He has criticized NATO and Regime-change wars. He has in two debates said he does not want to fight Assad. That's good news.

Now Trump is filling up his cabinet with neocons who backed the Iraq war. This is alarming, but come to think of it, there really aren't many republicans who didn't back the Iraq war or who didn't stand in line with hawk policies. However, Trump is still the top dog and probably will motivate change in overall D.C. agenda in Mid-East.



This will not happen. Guardian is full of so much BS. People need to treat the formerly old guard of reputable western media with the same credibility they do RT.

At least you concede that much. Trump is very pliable. He would rely on the advise of these neocons and likely entangle the US in a foreign conflict.

 

[HussainRx8]

On a separate note, this guy Flynn is dumb as a rock if he considers a bunch of jihadists as an existential threat to the US. I'm sure the CIA and FBI are really concerned with his selection.

Trump is the best thing that has happened to Russia and China.

 

[Yossarian]

On a separate note, this guy Flynn is dumb as a rock if he considers a bunch of jihadists as an existential threat to the US. I'm sure the CIA and FBI are really concerned with his selection.

And this 'dumb as a rock', as you put it, who thinks jihadists are an existential threat to the US, is going to be the President’s National Security Adviser, a unique but probably the most important role when it comes to advising the Commander-in-Chief of the world’s most powerful military in matters of national security.

Plus if it was only him with such anti-Muslim views, then perhaps it would not be so worrying, but when virtually all of the President's cabinet, advisors and other senior appointees are neocons believing in strike-first strategy, along with, going by their past history and views expressed, having a profound dislike of anything Muslim/Islamic, then it would be foolish to believe that none of it should be taken seriously.

 

[Markhor]

Michael "Islam is a cancer" Flynn is set to join Trump's merry band of white nationalists, racists, anti-Semites and Islamophobes that will be his Cabinet.

Gingrich, Bolton, Guiliani, Bannon, Flynn. The delusion that Trump would be much better for the Muslim world continues to be exposed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

On a separate note, this guy Flynn is dumb as a rock if he considers a bunch of jihadists as an existential threat to the US. I'm sure the CIA and FBI are really concerned with his selection.

Trump is the best thing that has happened to Russia and China.

Maybe he's not that dumb after all then. Going after a bunch of ragtag jihadis isn't really that much of a challenge and will have the double benefit of pleasing his redneck vote bank while risking relatively few American casualties.

 

[Yossarian]

Maybe he's not that dumb after all then. Going after a bunch of ragtag jihadis isn't really that much of a challenge and will have the double benefit of pleasing his redneck vote bank while risking relatively few American casualties.

That would be fine - except that most of these neocons believe that all, or virtually all, Muslims are jihadis, if not openly then quietly, because their religion demands them to be.

Don't forget, Anjem Choudary, before taking up his current residence in one of Her Majesty's hotels (rent free), was a regular guest on Fox and other US tv channels as a 'representative' of British Muslims, ie not even those from more radical Muslim majority countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That would be fine - except that most of these neocons believe that all, or virtually all, Muslims are jihadis, if not openly then quietly, because their religion demands them to be.

Don't forget, Anjem Choudary, before taking up his current residence in one of Her Majesty's hotels (rent free), was a regular guest on Fox and other US tv channels as a 'representative' of British Muslims, ie not even those from more radical Muslim majority countries.

Trump has also spoken against the sidelining of America's allies in the middle east in favour of Iran, at least that's how I read it. That means that they will look to keep key relations in that region, which would include countries like Saudi Arabia I would have thought. The neocons will look to pick and choose their battles which isn't really that different to what has been happening under the Democrats. At the end of the day, whoever they choose to go after isn't going to provide much of a challenge anyway so same difference whether it is Isis or Yemen.