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Has Iran become the de facto leader of the Islamic world?

Has Iran become the de facto leader of the Islamic world?


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Iran is gaining credibility across the Muslim world

Iran’s leadership has been a direct beneficiary of the months-long war in Gaza. With every missile that Israel fires on Gaza, every US veto of a UN Security Council ceasefire resolution, and every arrest of an anti-war protester on American university campuses, Iran’s rejection of the US-dominated world order gains more credibility in the Muslim world.

The ruling clerical regime in Iran has built its foreign policy on the pillar of anti-Americanism, rejecting what it frames as the “injustice” of US domination and “bullying” of other countries. Washington’s continued support for Israel’s war on Gaza in the face of an increasing international backlash has only reinforced this narrative.

While the US has tried to backtrack and signal that humanitarian considerations should guide Israel’s conduct of the war, the damage to US credibility has been done. Many around the world – and specifically in Muslim countries – do not see the belated US warnings to Israel as genuine.

And Tehran’s message of anti-Americanism is resonating with large segments of the public in the Muslim world.

In one regional opinion survey in late October, for instance, just 7% of respondents said the US had a positive impact on the war, compared to 40% who viewed Iran’s role as positive.

And in December, the highly respected Arab Barometer reported that approval ratings for the Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had surpassed those of the Saudi crown prince and Emirati president.

This change in Iran’s standing in the region is being watched with concern by the political elite in the neighborhood.

What Iran sought to achieve by attacking Israel

Iran’s image has been further enhanced by the fact it is the only Muslim state to attack Israel against the backdrop of public outrage over the war in Gaza.

The Iranian missile and drone attack on Israel on April 13 was calibrated to achieve two key objectives.

First, Iran’s leaders sought to preserve the country’s image as the self-appointed head of the “axis of resistance”, comprised of its proxies in the region – Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen and other militia groups in Iraq and Syria.

Iran also wanted to demonstrate the effectiveness of its deterrence model, which is based on the threat of retaliation against Israeli aggression through its proxy actors and expanding missile and drone technology.

Coming two weeks after the Israeli attack on its diplomatic mission in Damascus, Iran could not afford to outsource its response to its proxies. While Iran was clearly not ready to start a war with Israel, not responding in kind to the Israeli attack would have made it look weak and seriously diminished its standing among its allies and proxy groups.

But Iran’s leaders sought to minimize the damage and mitigate the risk of escalation by warning Israel of its attack in advance through intermediaries. This way, Iran could save face without getting embroiled in an all-out war.

Iran’s second objective was to demonstrate to the world that it has the drone and missile technology to hit back at Israel if it chooses.

For more than a decade, Iran has showcased its missiles during annual military parades to support its claim it can hit Israel if threatened. Its attack last month involved more than 300 drones and missiles. Notwithstanding the fact the damage was minimal, the attack was proof Iran now has the capacity to inflict pain on Israel.

Israel’s limited response to Iran suggests that war has been averted, much to the relief of neighboring countries. But the long-term implications are more favorable for Iran. This show of strength has likely helped its rejectionist foreign policy find receptive ears in the Muslim world and beyond.

When Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi visited Pakistan on April 23, for example, he was greeted like a celebrity. This was ironic as, earlier this year, Iran and Pakistan had engaged in ***-for-tat aerial attacks.

The two countries agreed to boost bilateral trade to US$10 billion a year, about five times the current level. They also released a joint statement calling on the UN Security Council to take action against Israel, saying it had “illegally” targeted neighboring countries and foreign diplomatic compounds.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi also offered a message of support to Iran, saying:

China noted Iran’s statement that its action was restrained and was an act of self-defense in response to the attack on its embassy.

What this could mean for the region

The implications of a more emboldened Iran for the region are severe. The Iranian authorities feel vindicated by the events of the last seven months. This means their anti-US and anti-Israel rhetoric will remain staunch as ever.

Iran’s drone and missile research and development program is also likely to receive a boost. And Iran’s support for its network of proxies and allies will remain firmly in place, as this enables the Iranian leadership to project power beyond its borders and retain its deterrence capability.

None of this bodes well for Iran’s neighbors. An ideologically energized Islamic regime in Iran would be less accommodating to regional concerns, particularly those aired by governments that have already normalized relations with Israel (such as the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain), or are believed to be heading in that direction (Saudi Arabia).

Moreover, the political credibility of many Arab leaders has suffered in the eyes of their citizens due to their perceived ineffectiveness in supporting the Palestinians in Gaza.

Iran’s leaders did not plan the series of events that started with the Hamas attacks on Israel on October 7. In fact, they were just as surprised by Hamas’ actions as the Israeli intelligence agencies. But they are the obvious beneficiary of the turn of events.

The United States and Israel are gifting Iran and its message of defiance enormous appeal, well beyond the imagination of Iranian authorities.

SOURCE: https://asiatimes.com/2024/05/iran-is-gaining-credibility-across-the-muslim-world/
 
There is no leader. The so called islamic world leadership has been left naked and exposed.
 
There is no leader. The so called islamic world leadership has been left naked and exposed.
Precisely, no one listens to anyone unless there's money involved. There's no common agenda. The rich ones like Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait etc simply pretend they care but prefer the benefits that western alliances bring, the successful progressive economies like Indonesia, Malaysia can't be bothered as they have their own affairs to handle, Turkey says a lot but does little and the rest of them are broke and no one cares.
 
Persians been the leaders. :moali

Recent(relatively) Oil rich are a temporary phenom. Their relevance will be eclipsed soon but Iran will burn bright longer.
 
Iran is admired more because of their recent action against Israel in the support of Palestine. No other Muslim nation had the courage to even use some words to threaten Israel. Iran was no talk only but they took a legit action.
 
There is no leader. The so called islamic world leadership has been left naked and exposed.

This. Iran is merely the least subservient to the global leadership or the equivalent of the western "ummah". I don't think Iran even pretends to stand for the whole Islamic world, neither is it in a position to do so. Most Muslim countries are still making their way as independent nations after the dismantling of the Ottoman Caliphate.
 
The Islamic world is looking for a hero in these challenging times. Being in such a vulnerable position, anyone who takes a stand will be applauded, however Iran is by no means becoming or become a de facto leader of the Islamic world. Many nations in fact don't trust Iran or their motives. Every nation is out there to preserve their own self interest by the looks of it,
 
Iran has gained credibility among Muslim countries numerous times. It is the only Muslim country that can confront Israel directly and launch missiles toward it from its own territory.
 
The Islamic world is looking for a hero in these challenging times. Being in such a vulnerable position, anyone who takes a stand will be applauded, however Iran is by no means becoming or become a de facto leader of the Islamic world. Many nations in fact don't trust Iran or their motives. Every nation is out there to preserve their own self interest by the looks of it,
Here I though only Hindus were subservient

Where is the collective Muslim army defending the innocent Palestinians?

Still smarting from the six day war?
 

Iran summons China’s ambassador over UAE statement​


Iran’s foreign ministry summoned China’s ambassador in Tehran on Sunday to protest “baseless claims” made in a joint statement by China and the United Arab Emirates regarding three islands controlled by Iran but claimed by the UAE.

The joint statement was issued on Saturday following a visit by the Emirati president to Beijing. Paragraph 26 of the statement said China supported the UAE’s efforts to “reach a peaceful solution to the issue of the three islands of Greater Tunb, Lesser Tunb, and Abu Musa through bilateral negotiations.”

These three strategically located islands, near the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf, have long been a point of contention between the UAE and Iran. Although both countries claim the islands, Iran has held them since 1971, just before the formation of the UAE following its independence from Britain.

Iran has repeatedly said it will not engage in talks over the islands, saying they are an “inseparable” part of its territory. Meanwhile, Abu Dhabi has consistently advocated for a negotiated solution.

In recent years, Iran has summoned diplomats from allied nations over this issue. In 2023, Iran summoned Russia’s envoy twice, and in 2022, it summoned China’s envoy, protesting similar statements. Tehran maintains strong ties with both countries.

 
Iran's oil finds new destinations in Tehran export push, sources say

Iran has sent small shipments of crude oil to new destinations such as Bangladesh and Oman, according to shipping sources and data, the latest sign of Tehran pushing to sustain output at close to its highest in five years.

Oil sales are Iran's major revenue source and the country has been looking for ways to sidestep U.S. sanctions on its crude exports that former president Donald Trump re-imposed in 2018 over Tehran's nuclear programme.

Iran, which is exempt from output quotas set by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), is striving to maximise production and exports.

Oil Minister Javad Owji said in July that Iran was selling crude oil to 17 countries, including those in Europe, according to the semi-official Mehr News Agency. The details could not corroborated.

In one new trade, the Golden Eagle tanker sailed near the port of Chittagong in Bangladesh earlier this year after receiving oil from another vessel that loaded it from Iran’s Kharg Island according to available evidence based on shipping data, Claire Jungman, from U.S. advocacy group United Against Nuclear Iran, told Reuters.


 
No. They are not the de facto leader of the Islamic world.

It is because Iran is Shia-majority and Shias represent like 10%-15% of global Muslim population (minority group).

Having said that, Iran is an important country in Muslim world. A very gutsy country. I respect their resilience.
 
Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian has fired one of his deputies for taking a "lavish" trip to Antarctica with his wife during Nowruz, the Persian new year

The president's office described Shahram Dabiri's trip as "unjustifiable and unacceptable given the ongoing economic challenges" in Iran.

A picture of Dabiri and his wife posing in front of MV Plancius, which was bound for Antarctica, circulated widely on social media and caused outrage in Iran.

In a statement on Saturday, Pezeshkian said Dabari had been removed as vice president of parliamentary affairs for "indefensible" actions, regardless of whether they were financed from his own pocket.

"In a government that seeks to follow the values of the first Shia Imam (Imam Ali), and amid significant economic pressures on our people, the lavish travels of government officials, even when personally financed, are indefensible," Pezeshkian said.

Iran's economy is under significant strain, and subject to Western sanctions due in part to its support of groups including Hamas and Hezbollah, which have been proscribed terrorist organisations by the US, UK and the EU.

Iran's unemployment rate as of October 2024 was 8.4%, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), while its annual inflation rate was 29.5%.

Pezeshkian said Dabiri's actions "starkly contradict the principle of simplicity that is paramount for those in positions of authority".

A view of Shoesmith Glacier on Horseshoe Island during the 9th National Antarctic Science Expedition, operating under Turkish Presidency and the Ministry of Industry and Technology, with coordination by the Turkish-based TUBTAK MAM Polar Research Institute in Antarctica on February 18, 2025.

Source: BBC
 
Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian has fired one of his deputies for taking a "lavish" trip to Antarctica with his wife during Nowruz, the Persian new year

The president's office described Shahram Dabiri's trip as "unjustifiable and unacceptable given the ongoing economic challenges" in Iran.

A picture of Dabiri and his wife posing in front of MV Plancius, which was bound for Antarctica, circulated widely on social media and caused outrage in Iran.

In a statement on Saturday, Pezeshkian said Dabari had been removed as vice president of parliamentary affairs for "indefensible" actions, regardless of whether they were financed from his own pocket.

"In a government that seeks to follow the values of the first Shia Imam (Imam Ali), and amid significant economic pressures on our people, the lavish travels of government officials, even when personally financed, are indefensible," Pezeshkian said.

Iran's economy is under significant strain, and subject to Western sanctions due in part to its support of groups including Hamas and Hezbollah, which have been proscribed terrorist organisations by the US, UK and the EU.

Iran's unemployment rate as of October 2024 was 8.4%, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), while its annual inflation rate was 29.5%.

Pezeshkian said Dabiri's actions "starkly contradict the principle of simplicity that is paramount for those in positions of authority".

A view of Shoesmith Glacier on Horseshoe Island during the 9th National Antarctic Science Expedition, operating under Turkish Presidency and the Ministry of Industry and Technology, with coordination by the Turkish-based TUBTAK MAM Polar Research Institute in Antarctica on February 18, 2025.

Source: BBC

Trip to Antarctica. That's interesting.

Is there anything there apart from snow, ice, and penguins? LOL.
 
Sorry to say but what majority of Iran follows is not Islam. Insulting the sahaba and creating your own rules and deeming them Islam is not Islam on top of creating new rulings and falsifying ahadith and giving emphasis to certain Islamic figures just because you want to. No matter how big the turban or how clean the thobe (those turbans are prohibited in Islam anyway)

Yes we have different schools of fiqh in Islam, but to innovate to the extent of the Shia ends you up with something else entirely.

The “De facto” Islamic leader doesn’t exist because we don’t have sovereign countries in Islam. There’s 1 Khalifa who is given allegiance to, right now there isn’t one. Even one who the majority of the Muslims in power have stood behind.

Last Khalifa was of the Ottoman Empire about a 100 years ago. We’ve been without a Khalifa for a 100 years.
 
Can barely lead ourselves lol
Corrupt and directionless. Pakistan has everything except leadership and a government that cares for its people. It is also suffering largely from similar issues that most south Asian nations face.
Over population, corruption at all levels, overtly religious and lack of scientific and practical approach to general problems.
 
Turkey is still the most powerful Islamic nation.
turkey is not islamic.

It's supreme leader erdy taxes brothels, liquor, clubs/bars. To drive country's revenue.

Maintains diplomatic and economic relationship with israel. At all times.

"With the founding of the Republic, Turkey adopted a civil law legal system, replacing Sharia-derived Ottoman law."​
 
It is a close call between them and Bangladesh, the Asian Football Powerhouse.

My personal opinion is tiled slightly in favour of the Bengal Tigerw mainly because they now have a former Leicester City player in their team.

My Top 5 Muslim nations in the world

1. Palestine
2. Bangladesh
3. Iran
4. UK
5. Pakistan
 
iranian mullahs in retreat.

trumpy to the rescue. Of muslims. Particularly sunnis.

“Trump is ready to take the war with us to worse levels, we know that, and we want to avoid such a bad scenario,” said a commander of Kataib Hezbollah, the most powerful Shia militia​
 
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Sorry to say but what majority of Iran follows is not Islam. Insulting the sahaba and creating your own rules and deeming them Islam is not Islam on top of creating new rulings and falsifying ahadith and giving emphasis to certain Islamic figures just because you want to. No matter how big the turban or how clean the thobe (those turbans are prohibited in Islam anyway)

Yes we have different schools of fiqh in Islam, but to innovate to the extent of the Shia ends you up with something else entirely.

The “De facto” Islamic leader doesn’t exist because we don’t have sovereign countries in Islam. There’s 1 Khalifa who is given allegiance to, right now there isn’t one. Even one who the majority of the Muslims in power have stood behind.

Last Khalifa was of the Ottoman Empire about a 100 years ago. We’ve been without a Khalifa for a 100 years.

May we have another khilafah soon in sha Allah.

Muslim world hasn't had proper leadership since the dissolution of Ottoman Empire.
 
Sorry to say but what majority of Iran follows is not Islam. Insulting the sahaba and creating your own rules and deeming them Islam is not Islam on top of creating new rulings and falsifying ahadith and giving emphasis to certain Islamic figures just because you want to. No matter how big the turban or how clean the thobe (those turbans are prohibited in Islam anyway)

Yes we have different schools of fiqh in Islam, but to innovate to the extent of the Shia ends you up with something else entirely.

The “De facto” Islamic leader doesn’t exist because we don’t have sovereign countries in Islam. There’s 1 Khalifa who is given allegiance to, right now there isn’t one. Even one who the majority of the Muslims in power have stood behind.

Last Khalifa was of the Ottoman Empire about a 100 years ago. We’ve been without a Khalifa for a 100 years.
Iran is not and will never be the leaders of the Islamic world. The Iranian pride is supreme over their Islam. Persians accepted Islam but:
  1. To distinguish themselves from all their (non-Arab) neighbors they adopted the Shaf'ae Madhab as opposed to Hanafi Madhab of their entire region just to be different!
  2. As the Ottoman (Sunni) Empire began to gain power, the Persians converted to from Sunni (Shaf'ae) to Shia and not just Shia but (Ithna-Ashari) to distinguish from Arab Oman (Ibadi-Shia) and Arab Zaydi (Yemeni-Shia). They remained at loggerheads with Ottoman Empire (militarily) but also idelogicially
  3. Then they "tried to assert" control over Persian Azerbaijan and spent close to 150 years converting them to Ithna-Ashari Shia when they have remains Sunni (Hanafi) due to influence of Ottoman Empire, simply due to Persian lineage of Azeries. Today, they are aligned against Azerbaijan simply to preserve Persian lienage
  4. They are aligned with Houthees (Shia-Zaydi) out of spite (to Sunni) when Shia (Ithna-Ashari who are Persians) and Shai (Zaydi who are Arabs) have nothing in common! Read what the famous Ahlul-Hadeeth Yemeni Scholar Imam Shawkani (RA) who was born to Shia-Zaydi Yemeni family, then converted to Sunni'ism writes about Shia-Ithna Ashari...There are literally hundreds of Shia-Zaydi examples and Sunni (Ottoman) which is a long topic and I will leave it there! There is a reason why there are so many "converted Sunni Ahlul-Hadeeth" scholars with roots in some sort of Shia'ism (due to strong emphasis on Ijtehaad). Today, the Shia-Zaydi Yemeni Madhab has been hijacked and became closer to Shia (Ithan-Ashari) due to Persian meddling when the two sects of Shia'ism have been at loggerheads with each other for centuries!
They then went a step further and carved out a geographical (Shia-Ithna-Ashari) region as "Khurasan-e-Buzurg (major Khurasan)" and relegated Sunni-Khurasan to being a "minor Khurasan" when the reality is that is major Islamic scholars like:
  1. Imam Abu Haneefa (God have mercy on him)
  2. Imam Abu Mansur Maturidi (God have mercy on him)
  3. Imam Bayhaqi (God have mercy on him)
  4. Imam Bukhari (God have mercy on him)
  5. Imam Muslim (God have mercy on him)
  6. Imam Ghazali (God have mercy on him)
  7. Mulla Ali Qari (God have mercy on him)
And hunderds of others were born, raised or lived or studied and lived in areas which are not "Khurasan-e-Buzurg (major Khurasan), this is Persian comedy based on racism, nationalism whatever you want to call it...

In short, nobody takes the revised history of Iranians seriously!
 
persians are leaving islam in droves. No azaans in tehran and other major cities these days. mosques are running bone dry.

Truth is you can't force religion onto a group of people. Who don't understand the language the religion is written in.

The murderous mullahs drove the final nail into irani islam coffin.
 
persians are leaving islam in droves. No azaans in tehran and other major cities these days. mosques are running bone dry.

Truth is you can't force religion onto a group of people. Who don't understand the language the religion is written in.

The murderous mullahs drove the final nail into irani islam coffin.
Although some parts of your observations are valid but the conclusions are certainly incorrect.

It is true that there is widespread apostasy in Iran but it is due to state-sanctioned push towards Ithna-Ashari Islam and also state-sanctioned restrictions and/or politics.

However, it is also coupled with huge conversion to Sunni'ism.

The assertion of not being able to understand religion but due to language is not true for two simple reasons:
  1. YOU: You have studied in a Madrasah for 11 years so probably have understanding of Arabic or some of the original sources and yet you have turned away from Islam despite having access to language and sources so Iranian wave of apostasy not due to it because you are an example of why
  2. OTHERS: Millions around the world also don't have access to Arabic or original sources and yet they are coming closer to Islam instead of turning away
 
It is true that there is widespread apostasy in Iran

However, it is also coupled with huge conversion to Sunni'ism.
Make up your mind.

Widespread apostasy and huge sunnism all at once. Is not possible.

You attempted to cover all bases. In one argument. Made it nonsensical.
 
Make up your mind.

Widespread apostasy and huge sunnism all at once. Is not possible.

You attempted to cover all bases. In one argument. Made it nonsensical.
I can't help it if 11 years of Madrasah education hasn't enabled you to understand an argument with multiple strands. What is happening in Iran are two things:
  1. Apostasy from Islam
  2. Conversion from Ithna-Ashari Shia'ism to Sunni'ism
When 1 is considered in isolation it leads to a different conclusion.

When 1 & 2 are considered together then it leads to a different set of conclusions

As I said, I can't give back 11 years of my life but you would be doing everyone a favor by naming the Institutions which caused your Academic inadequacy.
These are the current options.

Pick one.

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They are Da'ees among Millions around the world, some are scholars and some are specialists in a specific field
 
When 1 is considered in isolation it leads to a different conclusion.

When 1 & 2 are considered together then it leads to a different set of conclusions
Mental gymnastics. These.

As I said before. You -- and your neighborhood mullah -- can't fool me.

Try your "magician" tricks elsewhere.
 
People leave Islam because they can't understand Arabic.
 
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U.S soldiers deployment near Iran, this is being overlooked.

@BouncerGuy @Bhaijaan



Intimidation tactics by Uncle Sam to force Iran to halt its nuclear weapons program.

It has nothing to do with Iran’s independence from the current dictatorship, sadly.
 
Iran is not and will never be the leaders of the Islamic world. The Iranian pride is supreme over their Islam. Persians accepted Islam but:
  1. To distinguish themselves from all their (non-Arab) neighbors they adopted the Shaf'ae Madhab as opposed to Hanafi Madhab of their entire region just to be different!
  2. As the Ottoman (Sunni) Empire began to gain power, the Persians converted to from Sunni (Shaf'ae) to Shia and not just Shia but (Ithna-Ashari) to distinguish from Arab Oman (Ibadi-Shia) and Arab Zaydi (Yemeni-Shia). They remained at loggerheads with Ottoman Empire (militarily) but also idelogicially
  3. Then they "tried to assert" control over Persian Azerbaijan and spent close to 150 years converting them to Ithna-Ashari Shia when they have remains Sunni (Hanafi) due to influence of Ottoman Empire, simply due to Persian lineage of Azeries. Today, they are aligned against Azerbaijan simply to preserve Persian lienage
  4. They are aligned with Houthees (Shia-Zaydi) out of spite (to Sunni) when Shia (Ithna-Ashari who are Persians) and Shai (Zaydi who are Arabs) have nothing in common! Read what the famous Ahlul-Hadeeth Yemeni Scholar Imam Shawkani (RA) who was born to Shia-Zaydi Yemeni family, then converted to Sunni'ism writes about Shia-Ithna Ashari...There are literally hundreds of Shia-Zaydi examples and Sunni (Ottoman) which is a long topic and I will leave it there! There is a reason why there are so many "converted Sunni Ahlul-Hadeeth" scholars with roots in some sort of Shia'ism (due to strong emphasis on Ijtehaad). Today, the Shia-Zaydi Yemeni Madhab has been hijacked and became closer to Shia (Ithan-Ashari) due to Persian meddling when the two sects of Shia'ism have been at loggerheads with each other for centuries!
They then went a step further and carved out a geographical (Shia-Ithna-Ashari) region as "Khurasan-e-Buzurg (major Khurasan)" and relegated Sunni-Khurasan to being a "minor Khurasan" when the reality is that is major Islamic scholars like:
  1. Imam Abu Haneefa (God have mercy on him)
  2. Imam Abu Mansur Maturidi (God have mercy on him)
  3. Imam Bayhaqi (God have mercy on him)
  4. Imam Bukhari (God have mercy on him)
  5. Imam Muslim (God have mercy on him)
  6. Imam Ghazali (God have mercy on him)
  7. Mulla Ali Qari (God have mercy on him)
And hunderds of others were born, raised or lived or studied and lived in areas which are not "Khurasan-e-Buzurg (major Khurasan), this is Persian comedy based on racism, nationalism whatever you want to call it...

In short, nobody takes the revised history of Iranians seriously!
Thanks for sharing, this should be pinned to every thread about Iran.

Once one sees how far gone Shiaism is, it’s not even Islam anymore. Have seen So called apostates from Iran approach Dawah tables of people of Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jamah have their reality shattered when they realize half the nonsense they were fed like Mutah marriages and the like don’t even exist in Islam, and they start reflecting on Islam as it is per the Quran and Sunnah and you can see their facial expressions go from dismissive to deep thought instead.
 
U.S soldiers deployment near Iran, this is being overlooked.

@BouncerGuy @Bhaijaan


US trying to do shenanigans once again like they did in afghanistan.
 
Thanks for sharing, this should be pinned to every thread about Iran.

Once one sees how far gone Shiaism is, it’s not even Islam anymore. Have seen So called apostates from Iran approach Dawah tables of people of Ahlul Sunnah Wa Jamah have their reality shattered when they realize half the nonsense they were fed like Mutah marriages and the like don’t even exist in Islam, and they start reflecting on Islam as it is per the Quran and Sunnah and you can see their facial expressions go from dismissive to deep thought instead.
When you land at Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport and catch a Taxi, the driver can take you to Baitul-Afeef (House of the Chaste) where a Government appointment Mulla will perform your Mutta (temporary marriage) to a girl for a period which suits your requirements. They prefer the "groom" to be Shia and if you are Sunni (you will get Dawah) and some push back but still possible.

The girl depends on the money which you are willing to pay.

It is commonly known to any visitor to Tehran and this can be verified from anyone who has landed at Tehran and taken a Taxi (be it Shia, Sunni or non-Muslim)

Even outside of Baitul-Afeef (House of the Chaste) setting, you can find a Government appointed Mullah all over Iran who will conduct Mutta as it is permissible in Shia'ism.

Testimony from a non-Muslim



There was however one further hurdle to overcome… Another quirk of Iran’s conservative theocratic regime is that unmarried couples travelling together raise eyebrows and even risk the wrath of the religious police. We were certainly going to struggle to get a room together anyway. Fortunately, Esme had a cunning plan;

“We can get married”

Marriage! I liked Esme but, really? I had only just met her!

“It’s OK, its only a temporary marriage. They are permitted under Islamic law and it will expire in a month once you leave Iran”.


Solo travel Iran



I was sold… Sort of. We spent the next day high-tailing around Tehran trying to seek out a liberal Mullah who would accept that my sudden conversion to Islam was a genuine call of faith and not just some blasphemous stunt to elope with a beautiful girl. One co-operative Mullah and $30 later, and we were married; at least for a while.

A few days later we departed, clutching our backpacks, and headed off to explore Iran together. Over the next weeks we took in the magnificent Shiraz region, the stunning, rainbow colored volcanic island of Hormuz (pictured below) and even crashed Iran’s underground party scene.

When the time came to leave Iran, I bade Esme a fond farewell and headed towards Pakistan allowing our marriage to expire. However, I just could not forget about my Persian hippy princess and we remained in regular contact. I soon arranged to meet Esme in India in a months time once my adventures in Pakistan had concluded.
 

Senior Cleric Claims Religion In Iran Weak, 50,000 Mosques Closed​

A senior Iranian cleric says around 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques are closed, showing the declining numbers of Iranians attending.

Expressing regret over the low numbers engaged in worship, Mohammad Abolghassem Doulabi, who serves as the liaison between Ebrahim Raisi’s administration and the country’s seminaries, said on Thursday that the numbers are a "worrying admission” for a state built around the principles of Islam.

Doulabi, who is also a member of the Assembly of Experts – a deliberative body empowered to appoint the Supreme Leader – said the outcome of religion in Iran has led to people leaving religion.

Emphasizing the weakening of religiosity among society and in turn, a weakening legitimacy of a government ruling by religious diktat, he said: “When people look at the output of the religion, they decide to enter the religion or leave the religion," with reasons including “the humiliation of people in the name of religion," “falsification of religious concepts and teachings,” and “depriving people of a decent life and creating poverty in the name of religion.”

 
persians are leaving islam in droves. No azaans in tehran and other major cities these days. mosques are running bone dry.

Truth is you can't force religion onto a group of people. Who don't understand the language the religion is written in.

The murderous mullahs drove the final nail into irani islam coffin.

A positive development if looked at objectively. Shia Islam only drove a wedge in the faith, hopefully this will lead to less political interference in world affairs and more peaceful relations with other denominations.
 
Sorry to say but what majority of Iran follows is not Islam. Insulting the sahaba and creating your own rules and deeming them Islam is not Islam on top of creating new rulings and falsifying ahadith and giving emphasis to certain Islamic figures just because you want to. No matter how big the turban or how clean the thobe (those turbans are prohibited in Islam anyway)

Yes we have different schools of fiqh in Islam, but to innovate to the extent of the Shia ends you up with something else entirely.

The “De facto” Islamic leader doesn’t exist because we don’t have sovereign countries in Islam. There’s 1 Khalifa who is given allegiance to, right now there isn’t one. Even one who the majority of the Muslims in power have stood behind.

Last Khalifa was of the Ottoman Empire about a 100 years ago. We’ve been without a Khalifa for a 100 years.
Hmm Iran however stupid and weak has a history and culture far exceeding that of Western civilisation or Arabs.

Right now you are just putting down Iran probably due to your Geographic location of Amreeka.
 
Hmm Iran however stupid and weak has a history and culture far exceeding that of Western civilisation or Arabs.

Right now you are just putting down Iran probably due to your Geographic location of Amreeka.
You Indians conflate religion with culture and history and tradition and blah blah blah. Not my fault.

Thread is about Islamic leader not cultural and historical leader. But it’s okay, you don’t see religion, so continue to believe what you need to.
 
You Indians conflate religion with culture and history and tradition and blah blah blah. Not my fault.

Thread is about Islamic leader not cultural and historical leader. But it’s okay, you don’t see religion, so continue to believe what you need to.
The Islamic countries except Iran are Zionist clowns, but continue supporting them.
 
The Islamic countries except Iran are Zionist clowns, but continue supporting them.
My allegiance is to Islam, not to any country. And yes a few of those countries’ leadership do engage in what you said. It’s unfortunate

Which is precisely why I don’t throw my support whole sale behind any country. as I said, I am Muslim first. Regardless of what Iran is doing, I don’t consider what they call Islam as Islam, and therefore not as leaders of the Islamic world.

Pretty simple really. Not sure why you’re projecting your pre conceived notions on to me.
 
My allegiance is to Islam, not to any country. And yes a few of those countries’ leadership do engage in what you said. It’s unfortunate

Which is precisely why I don’t throw my support whole sale behind any country. as I said, I am Muslim first. Regardless of what Iran is doing, I don’t consider what they call Islam as Islam, and therefore not as leaders of the Islamic world.

Pretty simple really. Not sure why you’re projecting your pre conceived notions on to me.
The projection is based on your posts, you called out Iran so would be good if you call out “Turkey” and other Arabs.. because if not that’s a bias.
 
The projection is based on your posts, you called out Iran so would be good if you call out “Turkey” and other Arabs.. because if not that’s a bias.
Ah yes. Because clearly you see Turkey and Arab in the title and their status as leaders of the Islamic world, so how foolish of me to ignore both of them, thanks for that, appreciate it.

Thread title is questioning Iran’s status so I will obviously address that, rather than list all 50 Muslim countries and give them a rating out of 5 depending on how well or poorly they’ve been able to stand up for Palestine just to satisfy you.

I don’t need to prove anything to you. I fully vocalize the hypocrisy of the Muslim countries who are silently sitting on the sidelines while their brethren are being assaulted when needed. This saga didn’t start today or yesterday.

But it doesn’t mean I consider Iran the leader when they have their own version of what they call “Islam”

Really don’t understand why you’re so confused.
 
Could’ve saved both of us time by directly asking me where I stand on the other Muslim countries rather than just assuming a bunch lol
 
Which Islamic country is close to your perception of an Islamic leadership.
None. Which is why I don’t throw my support behind Pak, Gulf countries or anyone else. There’s certain things you can arguably say they all do right, including Iran even if I don’t consider them Muslim. But there’s some serious issues they lack in esp when it comes to being hypocritical so if I support any of them wholeheartedly it just means I am agreeing with all their actions good and bad.

In Islam you are obedient to the Khalifa as long as they are within the bounds of Islamic law. However they all compromise on it in some major way, so I can’t throw my support behind them.
 
None. Which is why I don’t throw my support behind Pak, Gulf countries or anyone else. There’s certain things you can arguably say they all do right, including Iran even if I don’t consider them Muslim. But there’s some serious issues they lack in esp when it comes to being hypocritical so if I support any of them wholeheartedly it just means I am agreeing with all their actions good and bad.

In Islam you are obedient to the Khalifa as long as they are within the bounds of Islamic law. However they all compromise on it in some major way, so I can’t throw my support behind them.
Won’t a Khalifa always be biased towards his home nation?
 
Won’t a Khalifa always be biased towards his home nation?
No. If he is, then he is in the wrong.

You have to treat the Ummah fairly. Cannot bias one people over another based on ethnicity. And yes, I know, a lot of Muslim countries sadly go against this exact ruling.
 
No. If he is, then he is in the wrong.

You have to treat the Ummah fairly. Cannot bias one people over another based on ethnicity. And yes, I know, a lot of Muslim countries sadly go against this exact ruling.
And this is why Democracy brings in checks and balances to ones in power and yes current Prez is exploiting it.

Expecting one ruler to be fair is not possible.
 
A senior Iranian cleric says around 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques are closed, showing the declining numbers of Iranians attending.
That's what I said: persians leaving en masse.

They can't follow what they can't understand. arabic islam is alien to their customs and language.

Applies to all and sundry. Including non-arab pakistanis.
 
And this is why Democracy brings in checks and balances to ones in power and yes current Prez is exploiting it.

Expecting one ruler to be fair is not possible.
plenty of corrupt democracies.

I’ll stick to the laws of Islam as ordained by God rather than whatever man thinks is good or not based on guessing.
 
plenty of corrupt democracies.

I’ll stick to the laws of Islam as ordained by God rather than whatever man thinks is good or not based on guessing.
Yet you continue to live in judeo-christian democracy.

Having no laws ordained by islamic god.

Your actions run contradictory to your words. Hypocrisy epitomized. Again.
 
plenty of corrupt democracies.

I’ll stick to the laws of Islam as ordained by God rather than whatever man thinks is good or not based on guessing.
Corrupt democracies yes, but easily the best option for citizens of any country with representation.
 
Corrupt democracies yes, but easily the best option for citizens of any country with representation.
If Allah has ordained Khilafah, then that is what I will follow. He knows better than His creation.

I can get into why and how Khilafah is superior, but above is ultimately the reason.

We can see how far all the current Muslim countries have gotten under democracies vs when they were under a united Khilafah before the concept of modern country borders.
 
We can see how far all the current Muslim countries have gotten under democracies vs when they were under a united Khilafah before the concept of modern country borders.
You need to move along with times. We have countries now. An irreversible concept.

If khalifa can't govern multiple countries, then islamic jurisprudence have nothing to offer.

There are none khalifa options either. Surely not naiki, nor jameeli, nor attari. Nor immy. Nor erdogy.
 
The Islamic countries except Iran are Zionist clowns, but continue supporting them.

I don't see those countries as clowns, they are more politically savvy. Israel is supported by more powerful enemies, why give them the chance to wipe you out? This is actually where India has generally been smart down the years, following a course of non-confrontation even though hatred seeps through their veins about colonial exploitation during the British Raj.
 
I don't see those countries as clowns, they are more politically savvy. Israel is supported by more powerful enemies, why give them the chance to wipe you out? This is actually where India has generally been smart down the years, following a course of non-confrontation even though hatred seeps through their veins about colonial exploitation during the British Raj.
An average joe is just working hard in India without knowing where is Iran or Israel, you are confusing the keyboard warriors.
Politically savvy is even China , they don’t run away from confrontation or trade wars, difference between bending to Zionism inspite of your entire nation being against them vs being politically savvy.
 
An average joe is just working hard in India without knowing where is Iran or Israel, you are confusing the keyboard warriors.
Politically savvy is even China , they don’t run away from confrontation or trade wars, difference between bending to Zionism inspite of your entire nation being against them vs being politically savvy.

The Zionists are desperate to involve the whole world in their plans for expansion, for the longest time it has worked. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Libya have been bombed back to the stone age by their non-Muslim allies. The gulf arabs have generally gone along with it in order for self preservation, that is probably the smarter choice long term. Israel is always looking for an excuse to get other countries to fight their war for them. The trick is not to give them the chance, and build instead. There will come a time in the future where it is too dangerous to start wars if enemies have the ability to hurt you significantly. But you don't take a knife to a gun fight, which is basically what happens when Arabs try to take on the invaders.
 
Lo jee.

Another thread. To bash israel.

Bus bhi karo. Always ranting on the big dawg.
Israel will not survive in the long run because Demographics are not on their side so the only game is to drag America to fight its battle and make up for the numbers. No amount of awesome technological prowess will make up for the numbers and the casualties/injuries which IDF has been suffering.

Israel as it stands is unsustainable so they have no choice but to keep on expanding (pushing the threat away from their strategic population) but this means more and more demand for manpower to cover more area and they are counting on America to put boots on the ground. Israel has a clear need for Americans to die for Israel to exist.

Similar is the case of Ukraine vs Russia and the demographics are clearly in favor of Russia so Ukraine also has no choice but to bring manpower from elsewhere as the attrition is unsustainable.

Every sane analyst is in the world has reached the same conclusion.
 
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