Donald Trump says "will take over Gaza" and Palestinians should leave

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Trump's Gaza plan will be seen as flying in face of international law

When US President Donald Trump began speaking 10 days ago of Gaza as a demolition site, calling to "clean out that whole thing", it wasn't clear how far these were off-the-cuff remarks.

But in the lead up to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit, in his Oval Office comments before the meeting, and in the press conference itself, it's now clear he is profoundly serious about his proposals.

They amount to the most radical upending in the established US position on Israel and the Palestinians in the recent history of the conflict; and will be seen as flying in the face of international law.

As well as how the announcement will be absorbed by ordinary people on the ground, it could also have a significant impact on the more immediate phased ceasefire and hostage release process, at a critical juncture.

Trump and his officials are framing his call to - in his language - permanently "resettle" all Palestinians out of Gaza as a humanitarian gesture, saying there is no alternative for them because Gaza is a "demolition site".

Under international law, attempts to forcibly transfer populations are strictly prohibited, and Palestinians as well as Arab nations will see this as nothing short of a clear proposal aimed at their expulsion and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their land.

That's why Arab leaders have already categorically rejected his ideas, made with increasing frequency over the last 10 days, when he suggested Egypt and Jordan could "take" Palestinians from Gaza.

In a statement on Saturday, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, the Palestinian Authority and the Arab League said that such a move could "threaten the region's stability, risk expanding the conflict, and undermine prospects for peace and coexistence among its peoples".

It has long been a desire of the ultranationalist far right in Israel to expel Palestinians from the occupied territories and expand Jewish settlements in their place.

Since the 7 October 2023 attacks on Israel, these groups – leaders of whom have been part of Netanyahu's coalition – have demanded the war against Hamas continues indefinitely, vowing ultimately to re-establish Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip.

They have continued their calls and opposed the current ceasefire and hostage release deal.

In his White House press conference with the Israeli prime minister, Trump went further even than his recent growing calls for the Palestinians in Gaza to be "relocated" to Egypt and Jordan, saying that the United States would then take the territory over and rebuild it.

When asked whether Palestinians would be allowed back, he said "the world's people" would live there, saying it would be an "international, unbelievable place", before adding "also Palestinians".

His Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff earlier in the day summed up much of the tone around the proposal, saying of Trump "this guy knows real estate".

Trump said it would be the "Riviera of the Middle East".

Asked whether American troops would be involved in the take over of Gaza, Mr Trump said "we'll do what is necessary".

His proposals amount to the most radical transformation in the US position on the territory since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 and the war of 1967, which saw the start of Israel's military occupation of land including the Gaza Strip.

Gaza was already home to Palestinians who fled or were forced from their homes in the wars surrounding Israel's creation.

They and their descendants make up the vast majority of Gaza's population to this day.

Trump's proposals, if enacted, would involve that population, now more than two million people, being forced elsewhere in the Arab world or even beyond, says Trump, to "resettle… permanently".

The proposals would wipe out the possibility of a future two-state solution in any conventional sense and will be categorically rejected by Palestinians and the Arab world as an expulsion plan.

Much of Netanyahu's political base and the ultranationalist settler movement in Israel will champion President Trump's words, seeing them as the fulfilment of a means as Netanyahu puts it to stop "Gaza being a threat to Israel".

For ordinary Palestinians, it would amount to a mass act of collective punishment.

BBC
 
Trumps absurd announcement confirms, This October the 7th BS was all part of the plan of Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians to then commense the Greater Israel plan . There will never be peace in that region when we have Nazi ideology being fully implemented.

Glad the Saudis have completely condemned the idea of any peace with the zionests extremists.
 
This October the 7th BS was all part of the plan of Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians to then commense the Greater Israel plan . There will never be peace in that region when we have Nazi ideology being fully implemented.
islam also professes ambition to take over the world. With its own ideology.

Key difference is in the quality of disciples: 20 mil jews vs 2 bil muslims.

The race is on. Winner takes all. Of middle east.
 
islam also professes ambition to take over the world. With its own ideology.

Key difference is in the quality of disciples: 20 mil jews vs 2 bil muslims.

The race is on. Winner takes all. Of middle east.

More delusion. Theres a big difference from being the fastest growing Religion in the world , to Nazi - zionest led annexation/ ethnic cleansing of a settled population to achieve a hugely controversial goal.
 
Trump is and has always been total idiot. What if the Palestinians of Gaza refuse to move- will he force them at gun point?
 
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Trumps absurd announcement confirms, This October the 7th BS was all part of the plan of Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians to then commense the Greater Israel plan . There will never be peace in that region when we have Nazi ideology being fully implemented.

Glad the Saudis have completely condemned the idea of any peace with the zionests extremists.
Are you sure? I thought it was a glorious act of resistance.

@KingKhanWC said so.

@The Bald Eagle, what happened to the thread created on Oct 7 2023? remember all the cheerleading and glorification and how Israel was finished.
 
Are you sure? I thought it was a glorious act of resistance.

@KingKhanWC said so.

@The Bald Eagle, what happened to the thread created on Oct 7 2023? remember all the cheerleading and glorification and how Israel was finished.

Resistance from the Palestinians has been ongoing for 76 years and counting. Bet you dont remember what damage the zionests caused on October the 6th, and before that!
 
What Trump is proposing is ethnic cleansing.

I guess Israel thought all those killings would make Gaza people leave but that didn't happen. Gaza people are resillient and brave.

Good to see Arab countries aren't agreeing to this.
 
UK, Spain and France reject Trump's resettlement idea

We heard earlier from the UK environment secretary, who told us the two-state solution is the only path to peace (see 8.55am).

Foreign secretary David Lammy has reiterated that view, telling reporters this morning "we've always been clear in our belief that we must see two states".

"We must see Palestinians live and prosper in their homelands in Gaza and the West Bank," he said at a news conference in Kyiv, where he has gone to announce £55m in aid to Ukraine.

His Spanish counterpart Jose Manuel Albares echoed his comments, telling media "I want to be very clear on this: Gaza is the land of Gazan Palestinians and they must stay in Gaza".

France's foreign ministry spokesman Christophe Lemoine said the country "reiterates its opposition to any forced displacement of the Palestinian population of Gaza".

This would present a "major obstacle to the two-state solution", he added.

Sky News
 
'Go to hell': Gazans hit out at Trump

Palestinians in Gaza have hit out at Donald Trump's idea to resettle them elsewhere.

As our Middle East correspondent Alistair Bunkall said in our 7.38am post, Gazans are overwhelmingly likely to oppose Trump's idea.

And Reuters news agency has been speaking to residents there, who've told them they intend to stay put.

"Trump can go to hell, with his ideas, with his money, and with his beliefs," said Samir Abu Basel in Gaza City.

"We are going nowhere. We are not some of his assets."

The father-of-five added: "If he wants to resolve this conflict, he should take the Israelis and put them in one of the states [in the US].

"They are the strangers, not the Palestinians. We are the owners of the land."

Palestinians have feared suffering another "Nakba" - referring to the time when hundreds of thousands were dispossessed in the war leading to the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 - as this conflict in Gaza continued.

And now they fear another round of displacement.

"We will not leave our areas, we will not allow a second Nakba," said Um Tamer Jamal, a 65-year-old mother of six.

"We have brought our kids up teaching them that they can't leave their home and they can't allow a second Nakba."

She added: "[Trump] is crazy. We didn't leave Gaza under the bombardment and the starvation, how does he intend to eject us? We are going nowhere."

Sky News
 
Are you sure? I thought it was a glorious act of resistance.

@KingKhanWC said so.

@The Bald Eagle, what happened to the thread created on Oct 7 2023? remember all the cheerleading and glorification and how Israel was finished.

Palestinian will always resist, Israel knew of a appending and used their hannibal doctrine to gun down most of the Israelis with their choppers. The end goal has always been ethic cleansing and interestingly as a hindu you've decided to also believe God has given these nutters a holy land.


Trump is compromised, a well known friend of Epstein. While running he told to obey and he wont be targeted by courts or snipers and allowed to take office. Trump knows this will eventually result in a fantasy or a large war but will entertain his masters while he can. Israel also wants the eventual downfall of united states, their book says their messiah will rule the planet , not from Washington.

very strange leaders , make modi and Sharif look sensible
 

Trump’s Gaza remarks worrying but have no bearing on ceasefire talks, Arab official says​

President Donald Trump’s plan to remove Palestinians from Gaza and take ownership of the strip is “worrying” but has no bearing on ceasefire negotiations in Qatar and Egypt, an Arab official told CNN.

“Israelis are sending the delegation now after the meeting (in Washington with Trump) which is a good sign,” the official said.

Trump’s comments will harm “the more moderate elements in Israel,” making it more difficult for them to push their position, the official added.

When asked how optimistic he is about reaching the second phase of the Gaza ceasefire and hostages deal, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday: “We’re going to try.”

“That’s one of the things we’re going to talk about here,” he told reporters, speaking alongside Trump at the White House.

Remember: The Gaza ceasefire and hostages deal is currently in its first phase, which went into effect on January 19 and is supposed to last six weeks. A working-level Israeli delegation will head to Doha at the end of this week to discuss the “continued implementation” of the deal, Netanyahu’s office said earlier on Tuesday. A source familiar with the matter told CNN the discussions in Doha would be about phase one.

Source: CNN
 
More delusion. Theres a big difference from being the fastest growing Religion in the world , to Nazi - zionest led annexation/ ethnic cleansing of a settled population to achieve a hugely controversial goal.
This race. World's fastest growing country versus fasting growing religion.

Only one of these "fastest" two is racking up defeats. The other's excelling in science, technology, business, finance.
 
Beyond absurd. Totally Trump.

Stupidity beyond belief. Yet somehow believable.

There are no resources to "develop" there beyond scorched earth fgs. Sometimes I wonder if I have somehow shifted to a alternate universe.
 
Also excelling in Genocide in the name of 'The chosen People'.
The islamic scripture also call for genocide of 'The chosen People'. They are simply beating y'all

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:​
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"​
 
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The islamic scriptures also call for genocide of 'The chosen People'. They are simply beating y'all to the punch.

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:​
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"​
Probably does, but currently, the Z boys are doing it and now they want to completely ethnic cleanse them. Under the International law, it is a crime.

And "whataboutery" is not consider as a defense for the genocide nor ethnic cleansing.
 
It's their survival instinct kicking into gear.

Probably they would want to circumvent/delay their beating at hands of muslims.

The cards are dealt. You are not winning this quantity v quality scenario. Time to rehash strategy.
 
The islamic scripture also call for genocide of 'The chosen People'. They are simply beating y'all to the punch.

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:​
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"​

Great hadith .

Its talking about specific Jews, messianic Israelis . Interesting as an atheist you support their land claim. The hadith is pointing to self defence , but others like yourself would prefer to submit. Free will
 
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It's their survival instinct kicking into gear.

Probably they would want to circumvent/delay their beating at hands of muslims.

The cards are dealt. You are not winning this quantity v quality scenario. Time to rehash strategy.
They were already surviving in Poland, Britain, America, even in Germany after world war 2.
 
That tiny strip is land is a death zone. You cannot have 2 predators in the same area and expect them to live with peace. Clashes are inevitable. Predators do not give up their ways. They are what they are.

Arab countries should kick out all the Indian/Philippino/Pakistani/Bangladeshi workers and employ Palestinians to help out their Arab brethren. Win-Win for both.
 
That tiny strip is land is a death zone. You cannot have 2 predators in the same area and expect them to live with peace. Clashes are inevitable. Predators do not give up their ways. They are what they are.

Arab countries should kick out all the Indian/Philippino/Pakistani/Bangladeshi workers and employ Palestinians to help out their Arab brethren. Win-Win for both.
Or how about colonist are sent back to where they came from?
 
Great hadith .

Its talking about specific Jews, messianic sraelis . Interesting as an atheist you support their land claim. The hadith is pointing to self defence , but others like yourself would prefer to submit. Free will
Hahaha.
Specific Jews? The Hadith is not talking about Israelis. There were no Zionists in 7th century.

Jerusalem in all of its history belonged to anyone who conquered it by force. First Canaanites, then Israelites, then Arabs, then Brits and now back to Israelites.

If Hamas wants, they have to fight to get the land back to Arabs. They tried and failed. The entire Arabs united and still failed.
 
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Hahaha.
Specific Jews? The Hadith is not talking about Zionists. There were no Zionists in 7th century.

Jerusalem in all of its history belonged to anyone who conquered it by force. First Canaanites, then Israelites, then Arabs, then Brits and now back to Israelites.

If Hamas wants, they have to fight to get the land back to Arabs. They tried and failed. The entire Arabs united and still failed.

lol. An atheist hindu knows more about Islam, I thought trump was delusional.

I agree , muslims aren't going anywhere , eventually they will take it back. It would be better to share , saves lives
 
As a Hindu and Sanatani, I fully support the establishment of an independent and strong Jewish state in Israel expanded to what is being called greater Israel (MahaIsrael)

The muslim residents of the Jewish state of Israel who call themselves by the name Palestinians must stay there as law abiding and obedient citizens of the Jewish state and if they do not behave then they must be deported to the 50+ Muslim nations of the world to be able to enjoy their life in an Islamic country protecting their religious sovereignty.

This is the most fair deal one can think of that allowed for the just creation of the Jewish state and for the rehabilitation of the rebel Muslims of Israel popularly known as Palestinians.
 
lol. An atheist hindu knows more about Islam, I thought trump was delusional.

I agree , muslims aren't going anywhere , eventually they will take it back. It would be better to share , saves lives
Don't have an answer, so attack the poster instead of the post. :dw

How about this..

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.


Defend this too....
 
As a Hindu and Sanatani, I fully support the establishment of an independent and strong Jewish state in Israel expanded to what is being called greater Israel (MahaIsrael)

The muslim residents of the Jewish state of Israel who call themselves by the name Palestinians must stay there as law abiding and obedient citizens of the Jewish state and if they do not behave then they must be deported to the 50+ Muslim nations of the world to be able to enjoy their life in an Islamic country protecting their religious sovereignty.

This is the most fair deal one can think of that allowed for the just creation of the Jewish state and for the rehabilitation of the rebel Muslims of Israel popularly known as Palestinians.
Hamas and their cheerleaders around the world will never agree for a Jewsih state to exist. It is wishful thinking.

You would think that after all that devastation caused during the current war, Palestinians will give up on Hamas and seek peace. But guess what, Hamas is back with full force and controlling Gaza again. There will not be any peace until Hamas or the like minded terrorists exist in Gaza.
 
Palestinian will always resist, Israel knew of a appending and used their hannibal doctrine to gun down most of the Israelis with their choppers. The end goal has always been ethic cleansing and interestingly as a hindu you've decided to also believe God has given these nutters a holy land.


Trump is compromised, a well known friend of Epstein. While running he told to obey and he wont be targeted by courts or snipers and allowed to take office. Trump knows this will eventually result in a fantasy or a large war but will entertain his masters while he can. Israel also wants the eventual downfall of united states, their book says their messiah will rule the planet , not from Washington.

very strange leaders , make modi and Sharif look sensible
You are deflecting.

you posted that Oct 7 2023 was the beginning of the end of Israel and 1.5 years later Palestinians are worse off.

What happened to that thread?

There were plenty of muslims who openly rooted for Trump (e.g. Mosharaff Zaidi) with the opinion that Trump was better for Palestinians Enjoy the fruits
 
Don't have an answer, so attack the poster instead of the post. :dw

How about this..

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.


Defend this too....

I dont need to defend or educate. My answer was to other readers to pick up on a point, it's always self defence against oppression ,you're irrelevant as a person or poster.
 
Hahaha.
Specific Jews? The Hadith is not talking about Zionists. There were no Zionists in 7th century.

Jerusalem in all of its history belonged to anyone who conquered it by force. First Canaanites, then Israelites, then Arabs, then Brits and now back to Israelites.

If Hamas wants, they have to fight to get the land back to Arabs. They tried and failed. The entire Arabs united and still failed.

A 2021 study found that the DNA of modern Palestinians is similar to that of Bronze Age Canaanites.
 
A 2021 study found that the DNA of modern Palestinians is similar to that of Bronze Age Canaanites.
Thanks, here is the study.


"The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition."



Both Jews and Palestinians share the same DNA of ancient Canaanites. Of course both these groups have additional admixtures. The land has been under the control of whoever has the best army and strength.

If only Hamas reads the study and agrees to the existence of Jewish state, there will be peace. But we know it will never happen.:rolleyes:
 
Thanks, here is the study.


"The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition."



Both Jews and Palestinians share the same DNA of ancient Canaanites. Of course both these groups have additional admixtures. The land has been under the control of whoever has the best army and strength.

If only Hamas reads the study and agrees to the existence of Jewish state, there will be peace. But we know it will never happen.:rolleyes:

76 years of oppression is the GLARING ISSUE in that history
 
Hamas and their cheerleaders around the world will never agree for a Jewsih state to exist. It is wishful thinking.

You would think that after all that devastation caused during the current war, Palestinians will give up on Hamas and seek peace. But guess what, Hamas is back with full force and controlling Gaza again. There will not be any peace until Hamas or the like minded terrorists exist in Gaza.

It is not for muslims to decide. We the rest of the people of the world have given our approval to the formation of Greater Israel as the secured land of the Jewish race. No opposition of this will be entertained by us and Sanatanis will be ready to fight alongside Jewish people if needed.
 
You are deflecting.

you posted that Oct 7 2023 was the beginning of the end of Israel and 1.5 years later Palestinians are worse off.

What happened to that thread?

There were plenty of muslims who openly rooted for Trump (e.g. Mosharaff Zaidi) with the opinion that Trump was better for Palestinians Enjoy the fruits

Show the post my yogi friend
 
Thanks, here is the study.


"The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition."



Both Jews and Palestinians share the same DNA of ancient Canaanites. Of course both these groups have additional admixtures. The land has been under the control of whoever has the best army and strength.

If only Hamas reads the study and agrees to the existence of Jewish state, there will be peace. But we know it will never happen.:rolleyes:
It will never happen because "the chosen people" believe all of the land was given to them by their god, their army emblem has a map of 'Greater Israel' - important point that you tend to keep ignoring because it does not fit your agenda.

Presenting a fact regarding military does not exempt you from supporting the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Naturally, the side with greater military power can carry out such atrocities more easily and they are.

You have just proved everyone point that Palestinian are being removed from their land by sharing the DNA data, while also supporting the genocide of the people just because they are Muslim.
 
@KingKhanWC

Who are Muslims to have a say on the formation of a homeland for Sanatanis, Jewish, Buddhist people?

We didn’t oppose when Christians and Muslims took control of 150 nations in the world.
 
@KingKhanWC

Who are Muslims to have a say on the formation of a homeland for Sanatanis, Jewish, Buddhist people?

We didn’t oppose when Christians and Muslims took control of 150 nations in the world.

Who is 'we' ?

They wont care , give them land in india , they can all live happily with other illegals which are being Sent back
 
Palestinian will always resist, Israel knew of a appending and used their hannibal doctrine to gun down most of the Israelis with their choppers. The end goal has always been ethic cleansing and interestingly as a hindu you've decided to also believe God has given these nutters a holy land.


Trump is compromised, a well known friend of Epstein. While running he told to obey and he wont be targeted by courts or snipers and allowed to take office. Trump knows this will eventually result in a fantasy or a large war but will entertain his masters while he can. Israel also wants the eventual downfall of united states, their book says their messiah will rule the planet , not from Washington.

very strange leaders , make modi and Sharif look sensible
See what I mean when I said Trump was bad for all of us muslims a year or so ago? Many fellow muslims (yourself included) have been gleefully rooting for Trump along the lines of "he will teach those liberals a lesson" ... now the zionist+Nazi chickens have come home to roost and it sucks for Muslims worldwide

TRUMP IS HORRIBLE FOR MUSLIMS AND NO SELF RESPECTING MUSLIM SHOULD SUPPORT TRUMP

How many more of these events have to occur before some Pakistanis here realize this simple truth??
 
See what I mean when I said Trump was bad for all of us muslims a year or so ago? Many fellow muslims (yourself included) have been gleefully rooting for Trump along the lines of "he will teach those liberals a lesson" ... now the zionist+Nazi chickens have come home to roost and it sucks for Muslims worldwide

TRUMP IS HORRIBLE FOR MUSLIMS AND NO SELF RESPECTING MUSLIM SHOULD SUPPORT TRUMP

How many more of these events have to occur before some Pakistanis here realize this simple truth??
Trump is bad for anyone who isn't 'White'.
 
So is ethnic cleansing official policy of the United States Government ?
 
See what I mean when I said Trump was bad for all of us muslims a year or so ago? Many fellow muslims (yourself included) have been gleefully rooting for Trump along the lines of "he will teach those liberals a lesson" ... now the zionist+Nazi chickens have come home to roost and it sucks for Muslims worldwide

TRUMP IS HORRIBLE FOR MUSLIMS AND NO SELF RESPECTING MUSLIM SHOULD SUPPORT TRUMP

How many more of these events have to occur before some Pakistanis here realize this simple truth??

Democrats wanted the same, ethnic cleaning of Gaza but by military means or any. Trump has to obey too , as I mentioned hes compromised. America is Israel's escort to be polite , regardless of leaders, it's a donation and power led state .

Trump is giving Israel something to smile about, Netanyahu looks a living corpse , Hamas come out strong, one of the biggest militarily defeats in human history . Nobody is leaving Gaza because of the Americans , it's a declined power regardless of a bad suntan
 

Jeremy Bowen: Trump's Gaza plan won't happen, but it will have consequences​


Donald Trump's plan for the US to "take over" and "own" Gaza, resettling its population in the process, is not going to happen. It requires the co-operation of Arab states that have rejected it.

They include Jordan and Egypt - countries that Trump wants to take in Gaza's Palestinians - and Saudi Arabia, which might be expected to foot the bill.

Western allies of the US and Israel are also against the idea.

Some - perhaps many - Palestinians in Gaza might be tempted to get out if they had the chance.

But even if a million left, as many as 1.2m others would still be there.

Presumably the United States - the new owners of Trump's "Riviera of the Middle East" - would have to use force to remove them.

After America's catastrophic intervention in Iraq in 2003, that would be deeply unpopular in the US.
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Why worry about all that if it is not about to happen - at least not in the way Trump announced in Washington, watched by a grinning and clearly delighted Benjamin Netanyahu?

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Short-term, the disruption caused by his stunning announcement could weaken the fragile ceasefire in Gaza. One senior Arab source told me it could be its "death knell".

The absence of a plan for Gaza's future governance is already a fault line in the agreement.

Now Trump has provided one, and even if it does not come to pass, it presses very big buttons in the minds of Palestinians and Israelis.

Source: BBC
 
lol. An atheist hindu knows more about Islam, I thought trump was delusional.

I agree , muslims aren't going anywhere , eventually they will take it back. It would be better to share , saves lives
You keep mislabelling others as hindus, muslims, aethiests, et al.

Yet here you are as a "muslim", sitting in your comforts of a western society that gave birth to israel, and not lifting a finger. Even after being made aware of islamic scriptures ordering you to fight.
 
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Palestinians and Arab states reject Trump's Gaza takeover proposal

The Palestinian president has said he strongly rejects President Donald Trump's proposal for the US to take over Gaza and resettle the 2.1 million Palestinians living there.

"We will not allow the rights of our people... to be infringed on," Mahmoud Abbas stressed, warning that Gaza was "an integral part of the State of Palestine" and forced displacement would be a serious violation of international law.

Hamas, whose 15-month war with Israel has caused widespread devastation, said Trump's plan would "put oil on the fire" in the region.

The idea has been rejected by countries in the region such as Jordan and Egypt, and key US allies, while the UN issued a warning against "any form of ethnic cleansing".

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said Gaza was an integral part of a future Palestinian state, telling a meeting in New York the rights of Palestinians to live as human beings in their own land was slipping further out of reach.

The world, he said, had "seen a chilling, systematic dehumanisation and demonisation of an entire people".

Saudi Arabia said Palestinians would "not move" from their land and it would not normalise ties with Israel without the establishment of a Palestinian state.

But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Trump's proposal could "change history" and was "worth paying attention to".

Later on Wednesday, the White House sought to clarify President Trump's proposal, with spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt telling journalists the president was committed to rebuilding Gaza and "temporarily" relocating its residents. Trump said on Tuesday the displacement would be permanent.

She also said the president had not committed to sending US troops to Gaza.

Trump's comments come two weeks after the start of a fragile ceasefire in Gaza, during which Hamas has released some Israeli hostages it is holding in exchange for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 were taken hostage.

More than 47,540 people have been killed and 111,600 injured in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Most of Gaza's population has also been displaced multiple times, almost 70% of buildings are estimated to be damaged or destroyed, the healthcare, water, sanitation and hygiene systems have collapsed, and there are shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter.

"The US will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too," he told reporters at the White House on Tuesday night, alongside the visiting Israeli prime minister.

"We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings."

Trump said Palestinians living in Gaza would have to be relocated to achieve his vision of creating "the Riviera of the Middle East", and that they would be housed in Jordan, Egypt and other countries.

When asked whether the refugees would eventually be allowed to return, he said that "the world's people" would live in Gaza, before adding "also Palestinians".

Trump also brushed aside previous objections from Jordan and Egypt's leaders to taking in refugees, insisting that they would eventually "open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done".

Netanyahu later said there was nothing wrong with idea of "allowing the Gazans who want to leave to leave" the territory.

"They can leave, they can then come back, they can relocate and come back. But you have to rebuild Gaza," he told Fox News on Wednesday.

A unnamed senior Israeli official was also quoted as saying that Trump's ideas surpassed all his "expectations and dreams".

Far-right Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said the proposal was "the real answer to 7 October" and pledged to "definitively bury... the dangerous idea of a Palestinian state".

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has characterised the plan as a "generous offer" to rebuild Gaza, not as a hostile takeover.

And Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth praised Trump's "outside the box" thinking and said the Pentagon was "prepared to look at all options" related to the enclave.

The Palestinian leadership condemned the plan in a statement issued on Wednesday.

"These calls represent a serious violation of international law," Abbas said, adding that "peace and stability will not be achieved in the region without the establishment of a Palestinian state".

Abbas leads Hamas rivals Fatah and governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

He declared that Palestinians would not "give up their land, rights, and sacred sites" and that the Gaza Strip was an "integral part of the land of the State of Palestine, along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem".

The head of the Palestinian mission to the UK, Husam Zomlot, told the BBC: "It's a call for ethnic cleansing, for the forced displacement and expulsion of a people from their native land. It is immoral, it is illegal, and it is dangerous."

Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US, the UK and other countries - said in a statement that Trump was "aiming for the United States to occupy the Gaza Strip".

It warned that his proposal was "aggressive to our people and cause, won't serve stability in the region and will only put oil on the fire".

Palestinians in Gaza also said the plan was completely out of the question.

"We have endured nearly a year and a half of bombings and destruction, yet we remain in Gaza," one man told BBC Arabic.

"We would rather die in Gaza than leave it. We will stay here until we rebuild it. Trump can do as he pleases, but we firmly reject his decisions."

Palestinians also fear a repeat of the "Nakba", or "catastrophe", when hundreds of thousands fled or were driven from their homes before and during the war that followed the creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Many of those refugees ended up in Gaza, where they and their descendants make up three quarters of the population. Another 900,000 registered refugees live in the West Bank, while 3.4 million others live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, according to the UN.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, though it retained control of its shared border, airspace and shoreline, giving it effective control of the movement of people and goods.

Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry said the kingdom "unequivocally rejected" Trump's proposal and said it would continue its efforts to establish an independent Palestinian state.

Egypt's foreign minister said he had agreed with the Palestinian Authority prime minister on the importance on moving forward with "early recovery projects" without Palestinians leaving Gaza.

While Jordan's King Abdulla said he rejected any attempts to "annex land or displace Palestinians", Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said it was "absurd to even consider" the relocation of Palestinians from Gaza.

Western governments also expressed alarm about any forced displacement.

France's foreign ministry said it would mean a "serious violation of international law" an attack on the Palestinian aspirations and would represent a "major obstacle to the two-state solution".

UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer said Palestinians "must be allowed home".

"They must be allowed to rebuild, and we should be with them in that rebuild on the way to a two-state solution," he told Parliament.

BBC
 
You keep mislabelling others as hindus, muslims, aethiests, et al.

Yet here you are as a "muslim", sitting in your comforts of a western society that gave birth to israel, and not lifting a finger. Even after being made aware of islamic scriptures ordering you to fight.
<Mic Drop>
 
Relocation of Gazans would be temporary, Rubio says

US President Donald Trump's proposal to resettle Gaza's population would only be temporary, Secretary of State Marco Rubio has said.

It follows Trump's suggestion that the US could "take over" Gaza and resettle around two million Palestinians living there – an idea that has drawn criticism from the UN, human rights groups and Arab leaders.

White House spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt further clarified Trump's comments, saying the US was not planning to put "boots on the ground" in the territory.

Meanwhile, Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz has said Gazans "should be allowed to enjoy freedom of exit and immigration", but gave few details on how this would work.

On a trip to Guatemala, Marco Rubio said Trump's proposal was not "hostile", but a "generous move", showing "the willingness of the United States to become responsible for the reconstruction of that area".

He said the idea was for Gazans to leave the territory for an "interim" period while debris was cleared and reconstruction took place.

Under international law, attempts to forcibly transfer populations from occupied territory are strictly prohibited.

White House spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt told journalists on Wednesday that the president was committed to rebuilding Gaza and "temporarily" relocating its residents during the process.

Trump said on Tuesday the displacement would be permanent.

Leavitt also said the president had not committed to putting "boots on the ground" in the territory but declined to rule out the use of US troops there.

Her comments come after Trump proposed taking control of the Gaza Strip and redeveloping it into "the Riviera of the Middle East".

"The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too," Trump said on Tuesday during a joint press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who called the idea "worth paying attention to".

Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz also praised Trump's proposal, adding that Gazans "should be allowed to enjoy freedom of exit and immigration" by land, sea or air.

He said countries like Spain, Ireland and Norway – critics of the war – "are legally obligated to allow every Gazan resident to enter their territory".

He did not explain how the proposal would work – or whether Gazans would be able to return after reconstruction.

Spain's foreign minister has rejected the suggestion.

BBC
 
So is ethnic cleansing official policy of the United States Government ?

Quite ironic since the phrase from the river to the sea is seen as hate speech when it's voiced by the other side. That too only with a reference to freedom, not ethnic cleansing. The double standards are enlightening.
 

Pakistan condemns Trump's plans to 'takeover Gaza,' reaffirms stance on Palestine​


The Foreign Office of Pakistan has issued a strong response to US President Donald Trump's remarks regarding Gaza, calling them unjust and unacceptable.

During the weekly media briefing, Foreign Office spokesperson Shafqat Ali Khan reaffirmed Pakistan’s firm stance on Palestine, stating that its policy has remained unchanged since 1947.

"Any statement suggesting the forced removal of Palestinians from their land is unjust. Pakistan stands firmly with the Palestinian people and condemns Israel’s violations of the Gaza ceasefire agreement," Khan stated.

He called upon the international community to take action against Israel’s repeated violations and reaffirmed Pakistan’s consistent stance on Palestine since 1947.

 
What is the industry in Gaza? I mean is there oil etc? I know there are a couple of significant religious places for Muslims/ Jews but apart from that what’s the basic trade of Palestinians in the region?
 
What is the industry in Gaza? I mean is there oil etc? I know there are a couple of significant religious places for Muslims/ Jews but apart from that what’s the basic trade of Palestinians in the region?

Rebuilding their homes probably.
 
What is the industry in Gaza? I mean is there oil etc? I know there are a couple of significant religious places for Muslims/ Jews but apart from that what’s the basic trade of Palestinians in the region?
The Gazza Strip will be used as the new silk road for trade movement as well as the sea off the Gazza coast, not just for trade but lots of natural gas/oil to try and tap in to... Not to mention its strategic position with respect to Lebanon and Syria

Its all about the mulla and very little to do with religion, at least for the respective leaderships of USA & Isreal
 
Its all about the mulla and very little to do with religion, at least for the respective leaderships of USA & Isreal

Is that a play on words or a typo?

Also building Silk Road for trade sounds better than what currently exists right now or am I missing something? Wouldn’t it be good for jobs etc for locals?
 
What is the industry in Gaza? I mean is there oil etc? I know there are a couple of significant religious places for Muslims/ Jews but apart from that what’s the basic trade of Palestinians in the region?
Did you just asked, 'what is the industry in Gaza'?
 
Did you just asked, 'what is the industry in Gaza'?
Yes. what do the people do there for a living leaving aside the conflict. Only know Hamas and protesting. What’s their usual source of livelihood. Is that a complicated concept for you?
 
Yes. what do the people do there for a living leaving aside the conflict. Only know Hamas and protesting. What’s their usual source of livelihood. Is that a complicated concept for you?
Oh man. I really want to respond to that, but I also get where you're coming from. It’s not entirely your fault, well, okay, maybe a little, but I can see why you’d ask that.

They say you can learn a lot about a person by the way they ask a question, and wow, your innocent little inquiry just spilled so much about you.

Ever heard of 'occupation'.

It is like asking African slaves, what is your industries, what is your livelihood.

Amazing.
 
It is like asking African slaves, what is your industries, what is your livelihood.

Amazing.

Africa has various mines and other resources. Iraq had oil wells. There you go make it easier for you. What is there in the Gaza Strip? Serious question. Do you know?
 

Hamas says Trump remarks are ‘declaration of intent to occupy’ Gaza​


Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassem on Thursday warned that US President Donald Trump’s plan to take over Gaza and displace its people was a “declaration of intent to occupy” the Palestinian territory.

The Palestinian militant group also called for “an urgent Arab summit to confront the displacement” of Palestinians from Gaza, Qassem said in a statement.

Trump, meanwhile, doubled down on the shock plan he first announced on Tuesday and on his proposal to resettle two million Palestinians elsewhere in the Middle East.

“The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting,” Trump said on his Truth Social network.

“No soldiers by the US would be needed! Stability for the region would reign!!!”

Hamas’s spokesman condemned Trump’s statements as “absolutely unacceptable.”

“Gaza is for its people and they will not leave,” Qassem said.

“We call for the convening of an emergency Arab summit to confront the displacement project,” he added.

“Trump’s remarks about Washington taking control of Gaza amount to an open declaration of intent to occupy the territory.

“We do not need any country to run the Gaza Strip and we do not accept replacing one occupation with another.

“We call on the Arab peoples and international organizations to take strong action to reject the Trump project.”

 
Africa has various mines and other resources. Iraq had oil wells. There you go make it easier for you. What is there in the Gaza Strip? Serious question. Do you know?
Oh, it is a serious question, perfect.
 
Mutiple peace plans were proposed in the last 70 years and the Palestinians rejected every single one of them. Their arrogance has been their downfall.
 
Mutiple peace plans were proposed in the last 70 years and the Palestinians rejected every single one of them. Their arrogance has been their downfall.
Historically, the arrogance is one of the primary factor for the downfall of the colonist occupiers.
 
Mutiple peace plans were proposed in the last 70 years and the Palestinians rejected every single one of them. Their arrogance has been their downfall.

So you think ethnic cleansing is an acceptable solution?
 
Oh man. I really want to respond to that, but I also get where you're coming from. It’s not entirely your fault, well, okay, maybe a little, but I can see why you’d ask that.

They say you can learn a lot about a person by the way they ask a question, and wow, your innocent little inquiry just spilled so much about you.

Ever heard of 'occupation'.

It is like asking African slaves, what is your industries, what is your livelihood.

Amazing.


These people don't even have basic knowledge about history of Palestine and yet they try to flex in discussions.

One Indian poster once said Israel was getting lands legally. I was shocked to see such ignorance.
 
Yes. what do the people do there for a living leaving aside the conflict. Only know Hamas and protesting. What’s their usual source of livelihood. Is that a complicated concept for you?
Labour force
  • Increase
    1,316,023 (2019)[10]
  • Decrease
    32.0% employment rate (2018)[11]
Labour force by occupation
  • Agriculture: 12%
  • Industry: 23%
  • Services: 65%
  • (2008 est.)
Unemployment
Decrease
51.1% (2024) (West Bank 34.9%, Gaza 79.7%)
Main industries
Cement, quarrying, textiles, soap, olive-wood carvings, mother-of-pearl souvenirs, food processing
 
Netanyahu meets with Congress leaders

Benjamin Netanyahu is still in Washington for meetings with US officials.

The Israeli prime minister became the first foreign leader to meet with Donald Trump during his second term when he arrived in the US capital this week.

He's also had meetings with Trump's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff and defence secretary Pete Hegseth during his visit.

The image below shows Netanyahu after his meeting with congressional leaders today, including Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer.

Sky News
 
So you think ethnic cleansing is an acceptable solution?

Where did I say that ?

It'd be ethnic cleansing if the Palestinians were not allowed to come back to Gaza after the recent operations. They'll be back.
 
Historically, the arrogance is one of the primary factor for the downfall of the colonist occupiers.

I'm not a fan of Netanyahu but previous Israeli leaders have proposed peace solutions and the Palestinians arrogantly rejected it.
 
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