Donald Trump seeks to revive ‘Arab NATO’ to confront Iran

[TheLastGreatMan]

The Trump administration is quietly pushing ahead with a bid to create a new security and political alliance with six Gulf Arab states, Egypt and Jordan, in part to counter Iran’s expansion in the region, according to US and Arab officials.

The White House wants to see deeper cooperation between the countries on missile defense, military training, counter-terrorism and other issues such as strengthening regional economic and diplomatic ties, four sources said.

Saudi officials raised the idea of a security pact ahead of a Trump visit last year to Saudi Arabia where he announced a massive arms deal.

Sources from some of the Arab countries involved also said they were aware of renewed efforts to activate the plan.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2018/07/28/Trump-seeks-to-revive-Arab-NATO-to-confront-Iran.html

 

[hussain.r97]

The last thing Pakistan needs is to choose a side in this and get involved. We need to play a mediator role, stay out of this.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I cant believe certain muslim countries can not see the united states strategy in the middle east, the whole muslim world is playing in their hands.

Sunnis and shias have always had their issues, but the united states is exploiting this well.

Classic divide and conquer.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

I cant believe certain muslim countries can not see the united states strategy in the middle east, the whole muslim world is playing in their hands.

Sunnis and shias have always had their issues, but the united states is exploiting this well.

Classic divide and conquer.

I guess this is requested by Saudis themselves rather than a plan by The Orange Man.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I guess this is requested by Saudis themselves rather than a plan by The Orange Man.

who props up the saudi regime?

Invade iraq and afghanistan, destabalize syria, libya, etc... All to bring "freedom" and "womens rights" to people.

Yet sell billions of dollars of arms to saudis, who just recently let women drive.

On one hand talk of democracy on the other hand, force regime changes and install puppet dictators in the form of shah of iran. Then come back and say ayahtollah opresses people.

United states is a walking talking contradiction and they are exploiting sunni shia divide well to acheive their objective.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

who props up the saudi regime?

Invade iraq and afghanistan, destabalize syria, libya, etc... All to bring "freedom" and "womens rights" to people.

Yet sell billions of dollars of arms to saudis, who just recently let women drive.

On one hand talk of democracy on the other hand, force regime changes and install puppet dictators in the form of shah of iran. Then come back and say ayahtollah opresses people.

United states is a walking talking contradiction and they are exploiting sunni shia divide well to acheive their objective.

You can't blame everything on others.Billions of arm sales to Arabs because they want to buy and can pay for it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I never really understood this thing about Iran having a growing influence in the east, my belief was that sectarian differences were so entrenched that influence of one over the other is probably going to be negligible. Unless of course, it's nothing to do with religion, and USA just wants to keep Iran from prospering any time soon.

 

[JaDed]

Samajh nahi aata US ki itni phat thi kyon hai Iran say, if they were that bothered about Iran they shouldn't had destroyed Iraq, the only country keeping em in check.

Even the Iranians in America most of them have no love for Ayotollahs, not sure what's the issue.

 

[Bewal Express]

Samajh nahi aata US ki itni phat thi kyon hai Iran say, if they were that bothered about Iran they shouldn't had destroyed Iraq, the only country keeping em in check.

Even the Iranians in America most of them have no love for Ayotollahs, not sure what's the issue.

The issue is simple- all this is done to protect the Israelis. Israel thinks that Arabs are thick and doesnt feel really feel threatened by them, whereas the Israelis fear the Iranians because of their perceived greater intelligence due to their Aryan genes.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Sounds like a plan put together in Tel Aviv and Riyadh (with lots of help from people like Jared Kushner and John Bolton).

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

The issue is simple- all this is done to protect the Israelis. Israel thinks that Arabs are thick and doesnt feel really feel threatened by them, whereas the Israelis fear the Iranians because of their perceived greater intelligence due to their Aryan genes.

Israel can protect itself.I don't think Iran have guts to attack Israel.

 

[blackanhyellow]

You can't blame everything on others.Billions of arm sales to Arabs because they want to buy and can pay for it.

huh?

You seem to have misunderstood.

My point was they are a confused nation.

They support certain oppressive /dictatorships/regimes, yet invade and destabilize others for the sake of "freedom".

How can you claim to be giving Libyans freedom from oppressive Gaddafi (while bombing the heck out of them), yet sell billions to Saudis who are much more oppressive to their people.

Like I said, they are dividing and conquering.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

huh?

You seem to have misunderstood.

My point was they are a confused nation.

They support certain oppressive /dictatorships/regimes, yet invade and destabilize others for the sake of "freedom".

How can you claim to be giving Libyans freedom from oppressive Gaddafi (while bombing the heck out of them), yet sell billions to Saudis who are much more oppressive to their people.

Like I said, they are dividing and conquering.

That's business. If Saudi ready to pay billions of dollars to buy arms from US why don't they accept it?If you try to find morality i don't think u will get that in any countries.

 

[blackanhyellow]

That's business. If Saudi ready to pay billions of dollars to buy arms from US why don't they accept it?If you try to find morality i don't think u will get that in any countries.

I completely get that.

Its in their best interest in dividing the muslim world or atleast exploiting the already divided to further destabilize the region. This helps them control the region and shape its future to benefit them.

Which was my first point, why can't muslim countries see this design?

They are focusing on their own differences, all they are doing is feeding into these nefarious designs.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

I completely get that.

Its in their best interest in dividing the muslim world or atleast exploiting the already divided to further destabilize the region. This helps them control the region and shape its future to benefit them.

Which was my first point, why can't muslim countries see this design?

They are focusing on their own differences, all they are doing is feeding into these nefarious designs.

Why you think this is dividing Muslims? US just using conflicts between 2 countries,if you want to turn it as they want to divide Muslims that's your headache right?

 

[blackanhyellow]

Why you think this is dividing Muslims? US just using conflicts between 2 countries,if you want to turn it as they want to divide Muslims that's your headache right?

Saudi arabia is seen as the hub of sunni islam, while Iran has a lot of influence over the Shia population of the world.

The conflict of those two countries means a larger conflict of sectarianism in the muslim world.

Its not what I believe or my headache as you put it. It is ground reality.

The U.S. knows exactly what it is doing when it overtly supports a sunni muslim nation versus a shia muslim nation, to imply otherwise is naive. You think they dont know the implications of such a conflict?

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Saudi arabia is seen as the hub of sunni islam, while Iran has a lot of influence over the Shia population of the world.

The conflict of those two countries means a larger conflict of sectarianism in the muslim world.

Its not what I believe or my headache as you put it. It is ground reality.

The U.S. knows exactly what it is doing when it overtly supports a sunni muslim nation versus a shia muslim nation, to imply otherwise is naive. You think they dont know the implications of such a conflict?

Sunni & Shia problems are problems within Muslim world it’s not created by any other countries..same like caste system in India we don’t blame foreign countries for our internal religious issues.

 

[Markhor]

The American-Israeli-Saudi nexus is defined by this anti-Iranian paranoia and obsession.

Let's get the facts straight. Iran reached out to the US in dialogue, despite significant internal opposition, and COMPLIED with the terms of a historic nuclear deal. Yet the US broke the agreement and continues to demonise the Tehran government.

Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 yet was labelled as part of the "Axis of Evil" despite 15 out of the 19 hijackers being from Saudi. Iran has never been an indirect sponsor of al-Qaeda unlike the Saudis. Iran has lost its own troops in battle against ISIS whereas ISIS has received financial support from Gulf donors.

Iran despite being a theocratic state is a far more progressive place for women than Saudi Arabia who have only recently decided to enter the 19th Century and grant women the right to drive. Iran has a rich cultural tradition whereas the House of Saud owes its existence to the West and is fortunate to sit on 12% of the world's oil supply.

Yet, warmongerer and butcher of Yemeni children, the "great reformer" Mohammad bin Salman introduces a few cosmetic reforms and is given red carpet treatment by Western media who line up to kiss his feet with one sycophantic interview after another.

I oppose theocracy and the Iranian regime has many faults, but any observer can see the reason for their demonisation is not for some fake concern about "Iranian expansionism" or human rights but due to Iran's refusal to bow down to US corporations, Saudi Arabia and Israel.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Israel can protect itself.I don't think Iran have guts to attack Israel.

Iran is not an aggressive or terrorist nation like Israel. It's Israel who wants to attack Iran but they dont have the guts. Iran has enough missile capability backed by Hezboallah fighters to rain down thousands of missiles into tiny Israel each day. One important point is Iranians are brave, while Israelis are cowards, they dont actually want a fight unless they are far stronger and will only get scratches in return.

This latest plan is nothing new, it's just another way of propping up the US military establishment in arm sales. Of course their puppets will agree.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Iran is not an aggressive or terrorist nation like Israel. It's Israel who wants to attack Iran but they dont have the guts. Iran has enough missile capability backed by Hezboallah fighters to rain down thousands of missiles into tiny Israel each day. One important point is Iranians are brave, while Israelis are cowards, they dont actually want a fight unless they are far stronger and will only get scratches in return.

This latest plan is nothing new, it's just another way of propping up the US military establishment in arm sales. Of course their puppets will agree.

That's why Isreal is progressed so much while Iran has to struggle.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's why Isreal is progressed so much while Iran has to struggle.

Israel was created by Europe and is backed by the US in every way. Iran has seen sanctions against it for decades. And stealing land, bombing children, dropping chemical weapons, destroying orchards, imprisoning young girls isn't progression, it's backward barbaric mentality.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Israel was created by Europe and is backed by the US in every way. Iran has seen sanctions against it for decades. And stealing land, bombing children, dropping chemical weapons, destroying orchards, imprisoning young girls isn't progression, it's backward barbaric mentality.

So Isreal won 6 days war because of Europe/US and who else?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So Isreal won 6 days war because of Europe/US and who else?

This was over 50 years ago. Look closer at 2006, the art of warfare has changed to missile technology being the game changer. Where does Israel get most of its weapons from?

Who do you think the Israelis are? Most are white skinned people living in an area of the world surrounded by brown skinned people. Israelis came to steal land from Russia, Europe and America mostly. Israel is just a western outpost using the Jewish state as an excuse.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Sunni & Shia problems are problems within Muslim world it’s not created by any other countries..same like caste system in India we don’t blame foreign countries for our internal religious issues.

I see, so when the British colonized India, you didnt blame the British for it?


When United States is constantly bombing, invading, or regime changing in muslim countries, or supporting a sunni country versus a shia country they have no blame?

The United States is blaming Russia for interfering in their elections through bot accounts on twitter.

Yet they themselves propped up the shah of iran as a dictator and many other dictators in the middle east.

Russia is to blame, but United States isnt to blame for all of their meddling?

Hahah.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

This was over 50 years ago. Look closer at 2006, the art of warfare has changed to missile technology being the game changer. Where does Israel get most of its weapons from?

Who do you think the Israelis are? Most are white skinned people living in an area of the world surrounded by brown skinned people. Israelis came to steal land from Russia, Europe and America mostly. Israel is just a western outpost using the Jewish state as an excuse.

From where did Iran acquired all the missiles you were talking about? When Obama stuck a deal with Iran why then it restarted its nuclear program?

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

I see, so when the British colonized India, you didnt blame the British for it?


When United States is constantly bombing, invading, or regime changing in muslim countries, or supporting a sunni country versus a shia country they have no blame?

The United States is blaming Russia for interfering in their elections through bot accounts on twitter.

Yet they themselves propped up the shah of iran as a dictator and many other dictators in the middle east.

Russia is to blame, but United States isnt to blame for all of their meddling?

Hahah.

You are saying Sunni/Shia divisions are created by US? I don't blame British for creating divisions between castes in India.Because they didn't created castes.

 

[InziRules]

People talking about divisions.

When Iran threat is ended once and for all, Muslim World will be stronger. I hope Pakistan plays its part.

 

[KingKhanWC]

From where did Iran acquired all the missiles you were talking about? When Obama stuck a deal with Iran why then it restarted its nuclear program?

Iran build most of their own missiles.

Restarted witch nuclear program?

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Iran build most of their own missiles.

Restarted witch nuclear program?

So Iran builds their missiles but Israel get donation from others..nice story.

Regarding Iran nuclear program..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6e3f4290ce

 

[KingKhanWC]

So Iran builds their missiles but Israel get donation from others..nice story.

Regarding Iran nuclear program..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6e3f4290ce

Israel's whole existence is based on a third party. US gives billions a year in military funding.

The link isn't working. Instead of asking me read a link, debate with your own words if you are capable. Please explain your point regarding their nuclear program? While you're at it explain why Israel is hiding it's nukes and why it thinks others shouldn't posses them when they do?

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Israel's whole existence is based on a third party. US gives billions a year in military funding.

The link isn't working. Instead of asking me read a link, debate with your own words if you are capable. Please explain your point regarding their nuclear program? While you're at it explain why Israel is hiding it's nukes and why it thinks others shouldn't posses them when they do?

Link is regarding the Iran nuclear documents stolen by Israel spies.Its about how Iran secretly continuing plan for nuclear weapons despite striking a deal with Obama.Any way you will claim now Isreal/US all liars only Iran is honest.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Link is regarding the Iran nuclear documents stolen by Israel spies.Its about how Iran secretly continuing plan for nuclear weapons despite striking a deal with Obama.Any way you will claim now Isreal/US all liars only Iran is honest.

Where is your evidence?

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Where is your evidence?

Just read the link,Obviously for you Israel & western countries are liars while Iran is most honest country in world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Just read the link,Obviously for you Israel & western countries are liars while Iran is most honest country in world.

You want me to take the sole word of Mossad lol.

When you have the ability to debate with reason and with your own mind, please come back.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

You want me to take the sole word of Mossad lol.

When you have the ability to debate with reason and with your own mind, please come back.

No we should only believe Iran.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No we should only believe Iran.

lol.

No we should believe the IAEA. Have you heard of them?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Iran is the new Fatimid empire
Whether they still have support from the assassins is unknown

The 12 imamers and the ismaelis have historically always been propped up and supported by the west throughout history due to their ‘liberal’ interpretation of Islam and their similarity to similar ‘progressive’ movements to sects in other religion and their non objectivity to innovation and mutazillites

Which is why Americans animosity to Iran is a little weird for me