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Aman Salman's mobile barely stops ringing these days. He runs a small travel agency in Long Island, New York, catering mostly to clients of Pakistani origin.
Phone calls usually mean good business.

But since last Friday, when President Trump signed his Executive Order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries, most of these calls have been to cancel tickets.
Pakistan, a Muslim-majority country, is not on Mr Trump's list. But there is huge concern and anxiety in the community that its inclusion is imminent.

"At least 95% of my Green Card holding clients, who had booked their tickets to Pakistan months in advance, have cancelled it," says Mr Salman.

He is also getting frantic calls from those already in Pakistan trying to get the earliest possible return dates, even if that means paying stiff charges to change tickets.

Mr Trump's order stops the admission of refugees from Syria indefinitely and further bans entry of all citizens from seven countries including Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

A Customs and Border Protection statement clarifies that the current order doesn't apply to Green Card holders' entry to the United States, but there has been much confusion about the order, and reports of inconsistencies as to how it's being applied at airports.

Aman Salman has seen many cancellations

The visa ban for this list is in place for 90 days, but administration officials have hinted that it will be reconsidered and possibly expanded to include other countries.

The uncertainty has prompted immigration lawyers to advise their Pakistani clients to cancel their travel plans for now and for those already in Pakistan to return immediately.

Immigration attorney Rafia Zakaria says Pakistani citizens who are legal permanent residents of US or hold other US non-immigrant visas must take seriously the possibility of an imminent ban on Pakistani citizens as well.

"The text of the order says that further review is taking place, and the outcome of that is not really known to anyone," she told the BBC.

She noted that White House spokesman Sean Spicer and White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus have both implied that the ban could be expanded.

She says if the ban is expanded, the legal challenges will take a long time to be ironed out.

Mr Trump presented his "extreme vetting" plan as a way to crack down on countries that could be a source of terrorism.

Anwar Iqbal, the Washington correspondent for Pakistan's leading English newspaper, Dawn, says this has further added to the community's anxiety.

"Pakistan has been on the top of this unspecified list for years and that's a reality we can't overlook," says Mr Iqbal, referring to the list of countries where terrorism is a major concern.
The San Bernardino attack of 2015, allegedly carried out by a couple of Pakistani origin, has been used to justify the president's executive order.

All this has meant sleepless nights for many of Mr Salman's clients.
He says one lives in the US with his wife and daughter, but has a mother in Pakistan who is very ill.
"I saw a 45-year-old man crying. If he doesn't go and something happens to his mother, he'll never be able to forgive himself," says Mr Salman.

"On the other hand, if he gets stuck in Pakistan there's nobody to look after his wife and child in the US, as he is the sole breadwinner."

This is also the time when many Pakistanis look for highly sought-after bargains combining pilgrimages to holy sites in Saudi Arabia with a trip to home.

"An excellent deal from Saudi Airlines for $895 (£710) came up last week but there are barely any takers," says Mr Salman.

Just about an hour's drive from his office is Brooklyn's Coney Island, home to thousands of Pakistani immigrants and aptly named Little Pakistan.

Thousands here were deported in the post-9/11 crackdown. Now the rumour mills are in overdrive again.
"We hear that it's going to be worse than 9/11 this time, and unlike then it will be irreversible," says Baza Roohi, who works as a tax consultant.

There are unsubstantiated talks of midnight raids on Pakistani-run businesses. People are scouring the internet and social media for information.

Ms Roohi says this is all most of her clients talk about, with even some US citizens fearing deportation.
"I know of at least one family that owns two houses, and has already put up one for sale," she says.

They want to make sure that if need be, they can leave in a hurry.

"There are lots of rumours," a White House spokesperson admitted to the BBC. But he noted that US officials have no plans to add more countries to the ban, saying there's "nothing imminent that I'm aware of".

According to the spokesperson, the countries that are currently mentioned in the Executive Order had not been sharing the kind of information US officials need in order to process travel documents of its citizens. But he believed officials in other countries - such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Lebanon - were at this point providing the required information.

If that changes, he said, these or other countries could be added to the list.

Pakistan has been an important non-Nato ally for the United States in the war against terrorism, but the relationship has also been marked by mutual mistrust and acrimonious finger-pointing.

There are many in Congress now who favour putting a squeeze on Pakistan because of its alleged support to militant groups who harm US interests in the region.

There's also a feeling - expressed by the new Secretary of Defence James Mattis, during his confirmation hearing - that the US needs to stay engaged with the world's only nuclear-armed Islamic country.

Some experts point to this as a sign that Pakistan may not be included in the travel ban even if the list is expanded.

But for the community in New York, that's hardly reassuring.

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US embassy says visa policy for Pakistan unchanged

ISLAMABAD: The US administration has not made any changes in its visa policy towards Pakistan, said a spokesman for the US Embassy in Islamabad on Thursday.

Dismissing the reports as ‘rumors’ that the country might be added to the list of countries whose citizens have been banned from travelling to US, the spokesman said in a TV talk that visa policy for Pakistan remains unchanged as the new administration has not issued any special instructions in this regard.

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/02/us-embassy-says-visa-policy-for-pakistan-unchanged/
 
Actually I dont see me being kicked out since I am a true American. I was born here and raised here.
 
It's not happening anytime soon.
Pakistan is important country for USA in this region. A country which USA can't affoard to handover to China & Russia so easily.
 
Actually I dont see me being kicked out since I am a true American. I was born here and raised here.
True.
However, the general atmosphere created by Trump means that if you 'look like a Muslim' then it's open season as far as bigotry and discrimination against Muslims is concerned. And that also applies to Indians, whether they are Muslims or Hindus, since 99% of Americans wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis on appearances alone, and that's assuming they even know the difference if/when told.

So I wouldn't be too blasé about it if I were you.
 
It's not happening anytime soon.
Pakistan is important country for USA in this region. A country which USA can't affoard to handover to China & Russia so easily.
You're talking about Trump, and not some diplomatic strategic thinking President.
 
You're talking about Trump, and not some diplomatic strategic thinking President.

Whoever is president, it's not happening anytime soon.

Countries which are banned in last few days, they are already destroyed and no use for USA.

Only country from banned list which is abit stable is Iran which don't have good relationship with USA for many years anyway. Pakistan story is different.
 
Not sure why everyone is buggin' out. None of Trump's policies are affecting me atm.
 
Actually I dont see me being kicked out since I am a true American. I was born here and raised here.

I was wondering, If you voted? If so who did you vote for?

If you are not able to vote, who did your parents and family etc vote for?

How does it feel to live in the USA right now? Knowing fine well your president is a racist?

Are the Asians (Pakistanis) just busy watching Fox news and happy to coast along life under this Trumpet?

Just seeking an inside perspective.

On the topic itself: It wont be long before the twit adds more Muslim countries to his list.
 
I would agree with [MENTION=234]Asim2Good[/MENTION]. If, for a moment we are to ignore Trump being a nut, USA cannot possibly afford to hamper relations with Pakistan even further. Pakistan and China are already very important allies and that relationship has gotten stronger with the signing of CPEC. China being an emerging superpower, is also a distant threat to the US economy and Pakistan despite all the problems, is also growing as an economy and the USA will never let things get bad with Pakistan. - This is always proving to be true. White House has said that it has no plans of extending its ban to Pakistan.
 
True.
However, the general atmosphere created by Trump means that if you 'look like a Muslim' then it's open season as far as bigotry and discrimination against Muslims is concerned. And that also applies to Indians, whether they are Muslims or Hindus, since 99% of Americans wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis on appearances alone, and that's assuming they even know the difference if/when told.

So I wouldn't be too blasé about it if I were you.

This racism is very rare in urban/suburban areas. It will mostly occur in rural places of U.S. where there aren't many Muslims anyway.
 
This racism is very rare in urban/suburban areas. It will mostly occur in rural places of U.S. where there aren't many Muslims anyway.
So you think that the city of Victoria, Texas and Lake Travis, Texas are some way out rural places in the back of beyond, with hardly any Muslims?
And if so, why would rural places without many Muslims have Mosques and Islamic Centers?

Two Texas mosques burned to the ground this month

The Islamic Center of Victoria was destroyed by a massive fire Saturday, less than three weeks after the partly constructed Islamic Center of Lake Travis suffered the same fate.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/30/two-texas-mosques-burned-ground-january/
 
Pakistan is also a source of skilled workers that prop up the US economy. We may not be as adept at IT as our eastern neighbour but doesn't mean that Pakistan has zero talent. My own first cousins were hired by Microsoft directly from FAST in Karachi in the 90s and they have been with the company for 20 odd years. One cousin headed the Microsoft Windows 10 operations. There are hundred, thousands of such Pakistanis working all across the US.

Imposing a travel ban on Pakistan will only hurt US.
 
So you think that the city of Victoria, Texas and Lake Travis, Texas are some way out rural places in the back of beyond, with hardly any Muslims?
And if so, why would rural places without many Muslims have Mosques and Islamic Centers?

I have never heard of those places. Just because they have an Islamic Center/Mosque doesn't mean that they have a fair population of Muslims living there.
 
I have never heard of those places. Just because they have an Islamic Center/Mosque doesn't mean that they have a fair population of Muslims living there.
You don't read or watch the news? These fires have been reported in nearly every mainstream media outlet. Heck, even in the UK. No wonder you're believing that you won't be affected by any Islamophobia / racism if/when it occurs.
 
You don't read or watch the news? These fires have been reported in nearly every mainstream media outlet. Heck, even in the UK. No wonder you're believing that you won't be affected by any Islamophobia / racism if/when it occurs.

Sorry I don't watch the news all day. I prefer to figure stuff out by myself. I do read news, but scarcely. There is racism against every race and religion by the way. Muslims aren't singled out.
 
Sorry I don't watch the news all day. I prefer to figure stuff out by myself. I do read news, but scarcely. There is racism against every race and religion by the way. Muslims aren't singled out.
Did you copy/paste that straight out of Trump's latest speech?
 
I wish Trump bans Islam. Perhaps it will wake the Gulf up, and the neo Bedouins, instead of financing Islamist mercenaries for their American brothers' geopolitics against their fellow Arabs, would seek alliances with the real legitimate powers-civilizations of this world (Russia, China and India).
 
Trump is desperate for an attack to justify his policies and quieten the critics, and make no mistake ISIS, Al Qaida, or some crazed lunatic will be there for him sooner or later. If they dont i am sure our Israeli friends will be there to get things rolling.
 
I was wondering, If you voted? If so who did you vote for?

If you are not able to vote, who did your parents and family etc vote for?

How does it feel to live in the USA right now? Knowing fine well your president is a racist?

Are the Asians (Pakistanis) just busy watching Fox news and happy to coast along life under this Trumpet?

Just seeking an inside perspective.

On the topic itself: It wont be long before the twit adds more Muslim countries to his list.

I nor anyone in my family never voted for anyone. We never make votes for any president.

At the moment I see nothing changed where I live. I live around many desi people. We got a mix of arabs and Bangali here. What ever you see is going on in the news. People over here are too busy to worry about such things.

Although I will say this, my reletives are very worried about Trump banning Pakistani visa. The only thing that will come out of this is hoping for a impeachment. I am confindent in knowing that there are some good sensible Americans out there who will not let the hate for muslims get to them. At the moment we are very safe. Later on it can get ugly. You never know what happens in the up coming months.
 
If it reduces talent exodus to America then i guess ban is good news in long run.
 
Democrats made a mess by making Hillary presidential candidate , now the whole world is stuck will Trump for atleast 4 years.
 
Pakistan is also a source of skilled workers that prop up the US economy. We may not be as adept at IT as our eastern neighbour but doesn't mean that Pakistan has zero talent. My own first cousins were hired by Microsoft directly from FAST in Karachi in the 90s and they have been with the company for 20 odd years. One cousin headed the Microsoft Windows 10 operations. There are hundred, thousands of such Pakistanis working all across the US.

Imposing a travel ban on Pakistan will only hurt US.

Talent is extremely over rated. It's all in the system.
Avg talent in the right system >>>>>>>>>>>>> super talent in bad system.
 
Not sure why everyone is buggin' out. None of Trump's policies are affecting me atm.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

"They" are not coming for anybody.
 
Sorry, are you quite comfortable with this man calling all Muslims terrorists? I assume you are Muslim? His policies may not be directly impacting YOU but he certainly destroying your religion. I find that worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...l-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting

Pardon me ,but it's the Muslim's who are hell bent on destroying Islam, I know I might be banned for saying this, but the thing is look at what's going around in Europe, or all around the world, the the problem is not so much the radicals, but the liberals, who don't dare to say anything, being quiet means, quiet support here, look at how the minorities are treated in every Muslim country, and yet u guys are expecting others to not react, I am sorry but the world doesn't run that way anymore, we very well know how no go zones are being created, it's for the peaceful's to decide how they tackle the radicals.
 
I wish Trump bans Islam. Perhaps it will wake the Gulf up, and the neo Bedouins, instead of financing Islamist mercenaries for their American brothers' geopolitics against their fellow Arabs, would seek alliances with the real legitimate powers-civilizations of this world (Russia, China and India).
Exactly, the way the Saudi's are sponsoring radical Wahhabi Islam is shameful, where ever they go, they think of themselves as some wannabe superstar, good thing America opened up it's oil resources to put them in their place.
 
we very well know how no go zones are being created,.

The concept of "no go Sharia zones" has been debunked so many times, it isn't funny anymore...

There are areas in cities like Paris where police don't venture often but that has nothing to do with religion, just an area where crime is high like certain areas of Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia etc
 
Actually I dont see me being kicked out since I am a true American. I was born here and raised here.

Not sure why everyone is buggin' out. None of Trump's policies are affecting me atm.

I am not even muslim(an Atheist), but a Pakistani, I hate religion as much as anybody, but I hate racism, patriotism and all kind of identity base ism as much as anyone could...

This culture of hate and racism Trump is creating is very dangerous, it has already polluted the country, worse has yet to come...America is going in very wrong direction...Trump America is not a fictional place, it already exist, called the "Bible Belt"...Have any of you ever lived in those areas for extended period of time??


Most(if not all) of the Immigrant lives in blue areas, near big cities, where more liberal and open culture dominates, but if you move 50-100 miles further out from those suburbs, things change dramatically... Trump is trying to make that America as main stream America, that could be death of America...

We have example of Pakistan, thanks to Army and religion, we have created Pakistan such a country in last 30/40 years, result is that country is not livable, culture of hate takes you nowhere...Pakistan can only get out of that hole, by bringing more open, just culture, have to cut down the influence of Army and religion in culture...

Pakistan use to be much better place, people are still very bright... I have been to India back in mid 80s, Pakistan at that time was so much better than them in many ways... We nurtured the wrong culture...First Army tried to use drugs and Weapons(foreign weapons) to fund the war, side effect was drugs were all over Pakistan and every house had KK...Secondly they tried to use religious extremist and religious conservatism as source of inspiration to build strong army, use gorilla warfare tactics with India, those terrorist have killed and damaged Pakistan way lot more they could ever damage the Indians... All these policies and cultural shift has made Pakistan more comparable to Afghanistan, we are one of the worse Country thanks to this far right culture...Keep brewing that culture we will never get out that hole :facepalm:
 
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Five Pakistani American Muslims objectively disect Trump's Executive Order against Muslims on Fox News.

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America is financially very weak with 20 Trillions in debt, thanks to Obama's 8 years. US needs a growing economy like Pakistan more than Pakistan needs America. US will never ban Pakistan for that very reason.
 
I am not even muslim(an Atheist), but a Pakistani, I hate religion as much as anybody, but I hate racism, patriotism and all kind of identity base ism as much as anyone could...

This culture of hate and racism Trump is creating is very dangerous, it has already polluted the country, worse has yet to come...America is going in very wrong direction...Trump America is not a fictional place, it already exist, called the "Bible Belt"...Have any of you ever lived in those areas for extended period of time??


Most(if not all) of the Immigrant lives in blue areas, near big cities, where more liberal and open culture dominates, but if you move 50-100 miles further out from those suburbs, things change dramatically... Trump is trying to make that America as main stream America, that could be death of America...

We have example of Pakistan, thanks to Army and religion, we have created Pakistan such a country in last 30/40 years, result is that country is not livable, culture of hate takes you nowhere...Pakistan can only get out of that hole, by bringing more open, just culture, have to cut down the influence of Army and religion in culture...

Pakistan use to be much better place, people are still very bright... I have been to India back in mid 80s, Pakistan at that time was so much better than them in many ways... We nurtured the wrong culture...First Army tried to use drugs and Weapons(foreign weapons) to fund the war, side effect was drugs were all over Pakistan and every house had KK...Secondly they tried to use religious extremist and religious conservatism as source of inspiration to build strong army, use gorilla warfare tactics with India, those terrorist have killed and damaged Pakistan way lot more they could ever damage the Indians... All these policies and cultural shift has made Pakistan more comparable to Afghanistan, we are one of the worse Country thanks to this far right culture...Keep brewing that culture we will never get out that hole :facepalm:

You summed it all beautifully.
I am a Muslim but wish Pakistan was a secular country. It was a beautiful country to live before it turned to a "religious" one from Zia era onward.

I have lived in many states in USA, including deep south, in a small town in Louisiana. I agree Trump is spreading the racism common in "bible belt" to rest of the country and I'm afraid this Pakistanization of America is not good, no way.
 
Democrats made a mess by making Hillary presidential candidate , now the whole world is stuck will Trump for atleast 4 years.

Hillary would have been a good president, its stupid Obama who is to be blamed, his era was the worst in decades and created so much anger among middle class small business owner that they voted for Trump rather than their traditional vote to Dems.
 
US Supreme Court reinstates Trump travel ban

The United States (US) Supreme Court on Monday reinstated a ban on travellers from six mostly Muslim countries, overturning lower court orders that had blocked it.

The ban would apply to citizens of Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

The latest development is being dubbed as a victory for US President Donald Trump in the biggest legal controversy of his young presidency.

The court did leave one category of foreigners protected, those “with a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States,” the court said in an unsigned opinion.

DAWN
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: White House statement calls Supreme Court travel ban ruling "a clear victory for our national security" <a href="https://t.co/CDArXvz7mC">pic.twitter.com/CDArXvz7mC</a></p>— NBC News (@NBCNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/879372885403586561">June 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Supreme Court rules for Trump in challenge to his administration's travel ban

The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday in favor of President Donald Trump in Trump v. Hawaii, the controversial case regarding Trump's September order to restrict travel to the U.S. for citizens of several majority Muslim countries.

In the 5-4 opinion penned by Chief Justice John Roberts, the court found that Trump's immigration restriction fell "squarely" within the president's authority. The court rejected claims that the ban was motivated by religious hostility.

"The [order] is expressly premised on legitimate purposes: preventing entry of nationals who cannot be adequately vetted and inducing other nations to improve their practices," Roberts wrote. "The text says nothing about religion."

The case has been central to the Trump administration's immigration policy, presenting a key test of the president's campaign promise to restrict immigration and secure America's borders.

The immigration restriction is the Trump administration's third, and affects people from Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen. Chad was dropped from the list of affected countries in April.

Previous iterations of the ban were revised after facing challenges in court.

"Though I am disappointed by the outcome, I am heartened that our system of government worked as the founders intended," Neil Katyal, attorney for the challengers in the case, said in a statement Tuesday. "Now that the Court has upheld it, it is up to Congress to do its job and reverse President Trump’s unilateral and unwise travel ban."

The ruling broke down largely on partisan lines. Roberts and the four justices concurring with him, including Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch, were all appointed by Republican presidents. The four dissenting justices, including Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, were appointed by Democrats.

“The Supreme Court’s decision today was unsurprising," said Stephen Yale-Loehr, the co-author of a 21-volume book on U.S. immigration law. Yale-Loehr signed a friend of the court brief on behalf of Hawaii.

"Because immigration touches on national sovereignty and foreign relations, courts have generally deferred to the president on immigration issues,” he said.


Trump tweets not the issue, court says

Hawaii alleged that the immigration restriction was motivated by religious discrimination, noting that a majority of the countries included in the ban have primarily Muslim populations.

The court sided with the government, which argued in April that the restriction "would be the most ineffective Muslim ban that one could possibly imagine."

Roberts agreed with that argument. Though the ban applies to five countries with Muslim majority populations, "that fact alone does not support an inference of religious hostility," Roberts wrote, noting that those five countries amount to only 8 percent of the world's Muslim population.

During oral argument in April, Katyal cited Trump's post-election tweets about the case, and argued that the travel restriction amounted to a "Muslim ban."

The court addressed those statements, writing that "the issue before us is not whether to denounce the statements."

"It is instead the significance of those statements in reviewing a Presidential directive, neutral on its face, addressing a matter within the core of executive responsibility," Roberts wrote. "In doing so, we must consider not only the statements of a particular President, but also the authority of the Presidency itself."

Among the tweets that were at issue in the case is one from September 2017 in which the president wrote that the "travel ban into the United States should be far larger, tougher and more specific-but stupidly, that would not be politically correct!"

Katyal also cited Trump's retweeting of what Katyal called "virulent anti-Muslim videos" in November of last year. The videos had titles such as "Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!" and "Muslim Destroys a Statue of Virgin Mary!"

The president has said that the ban is not about Islam.

"This is not about religion—this is about terror and keeping our country safe," the president said in January, after facing criticism over the first iteration of the order.

That initial order, signed in the first weeks of the Trump administration, led to days of protests around the country, with thousands gathering at airports to demonstrate.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/supreme-court-rules-in-trump-muslim-travel-ban-case.html
 
The ruling broke down largely on partisan lines. Roberts and the four justices concurring with him, including Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch, were all appointed by Republican presidents. The four dissenting justices, including Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, were appointed by Democrats.

Similar to other major rulings, this one also came down to basically Anthony Kennedy's vote. The other eight judges are much more ideological which leaves Kennedy as the deciding vote.
 
Racism runs deeper in the Republican Party and their cohort than just Trump

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Trump administration’s travel ban was never about keeping America safe. We need only look at Trump’s own words to understand that this has always been a racist and anti-Islamic attempt to ban Muslims from entering this country. <a href="https://t.co/AX6IEgnAOM">pic.twitter.com/AX6IEgnAOM</a></p>— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1011745930100559874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Racism runs deeper in the Republican Party and their cohort than just Trump

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Trump administration’s travel ban was never about keeping America safe. We need only look at Trump’s own words to understand that this has always been a racist and anti-Islamic attempt to ban Muslims from entering this country. <a href="https://t.co/AX6IEgnAOM">pic.twitter.com/AX6IEgnAOM</a></p>— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1011745930100559874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The court ruling proved that the bans were due to security so anyone still dumb enough to go on about race or religion don't know fact from fantasy.
 
The court ruling proved that the bans were due to security so anyone still dumb enough to go on about race or religion don't know fact from fantasy.

and exactly how many Islamic terrorist attacks have there been in the USA?

Children are being killed with guns in their own schools and yet there is very little gun control?

Which of the two should take precedence?
 
and exactly how many Islamic terrorist attacks have there been in the USA?

Children are being killed with guns in their own schools and yet there is very little gun control?

Which of the two should take precedence?

I can clearly state that gun violence is a much, much, larger issue that needs to be covered than "domestic attacks".

It's really shameful to see people supporting this ban even for security reasons.

America had immigration quotas installed a century ago in the early part of the 20's up until post WWII and it spelled nothing but economic disaster.
 
There have been 5588 deaths related to gun violence in the U.S. as of 2018.

There have been 22 deaths and 35 injured as a result of terror incidents in the U.S. as of 2018.

See the problem?
 
Travelled to the US twice in the last month. First time in my life that I had to hand over my laptop, cell phone to the border officers. I was mentally prepared and somewhat expecting it and didn't create a ruckus over it to be honest.
 
The United States House of Representatives voted 233-183 on Wednesday to pass legislation reversing President Donald Trump's controversial order banning entry to immigrants from mostly Muslim-majority countries.

The bill, called the NO BAN Act, was broadly supported by Democratic legislators but is unlikely to advance in the Senate because of opposition from Republicans and the White House.

"There are today millions of Americans who, because of the Muslim ban, are separated from families and loved ones: parents who can't be reunited, families who can't be reunited, grandparents who are missing out on life events," said Farhana Khera, executive director of Muslim Advocates, a group supporting the bill.

The bill expands anti-discrimination provisions in US immigration law and would limit the ability of US presidents in the future to bar entry based on religion.

Specifically, the bill would terminate Trump's executive orders imposing a ban on immigration from mostly Muslim-majority countries. The president's initial ban targeted Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen, triggering criticism that it amounted to unlawful religious discrimination. Trump then expanded the ban to include Venezuela and North Korea, and later added Nigeria, Sudan, Myanmar and three other countries to the list.

In Wednesday's debate, Democrats plan to share stories from dozens of their American constituents who have seen family members prevented from entering the US for arbitrary reasons under the ban.

The legislation, however, is unlikely to be embraced in the Republican-led Senate, which means prospects for its passage this year are dim. Instead, it appears the issue will be fought out in the US presidential election contest.

On Monday, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, who is courting Muslim votes, told a Muslim political organisation that he would reverse the ban if elected president "on day one".

Biden appeared by video at a two-day virtual conference hosted by Emgage Action and attended by 3,000 Muslim-American voters.

"Muslim communities are the first to feel Donald Trump's assault on Black and brown communities in this country, with his vile Muslim ban. That fight was the opening barrage in what has been nearly four years of constant pressure and insults," Biden told the group.

"If I have the honour of being president, I will end the Muslim ban on day one," Biden said.

Wa'el Alzayat, CEO of Emgage Action, a Muslim-American civic engagement and political mobilisation organisation, said, "Biden's vow to end the Muslim ban on the first day of his presidency is poignant."

"It exemplifies his commitment to ending this form of institutionalised Islamophobia that has caused great pain to global Muslim communities," Alzayat told Al Jazeera.


In a political speech at the White House last week, Trump cited his travel ban as he sought to draw distinctions between himself and Biden.

Trump accuses Biden of wanting to "end all travel bans, including from jihadist regions", and he implied Biden would allow "people that are going to come in and blow up our cities, do things".

But that rhetoric belies the facts and data about how the travel ban has been implemented to effectively prohibit immigration from predominantly Muslim countries, Khera said.

"Their argument is what Trump has been saying since the get-go - which is, they try to wrap what is blatant bigotry in a shroud of national security which does not meet what the real threat is and is not the reality of who is being excluded from the country," she said.

The bill would require the US Department of State, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security, to provide a public report on the numbers of people denied entry from specific countries.

Democrats had planned to bring the NO BAN bill to the House floor for a vote in early March, but pulled the legislation because of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

Republicans had planned to attack the legislation as an irresponsible bid by congressional Democrats to prevent Trump from imposing travel bans to limit the spread of the virus.

The bill was amended to provide a "public safety" exception that allows presidents to restrict travel as necessary "to contain a communicable disease of public health significance".

"We are not too thrilled with that language that was added at the last moment," said Iman Awad, legislative director for Emgage Action.

"We think that it stigmatises the immigrant community and especially during this heightened rhetoric coming from President Trump, we are concerned about tying any of these negative stereotypes to the immigrant community," Awad told Al Jazeera.

The Trump administration, through another executive order issued in April, has effectively shut down immigration to the US at present because of the pandemic.

The legislation to lift the so-called "Muslim ban" was introduced by Democrats in April 2019 and is sponsored in the House by Representative Judy Chu of California and in the US Senate by Chris Coons of Delaware.

The US Supreme Court had ruled in 2017 that the president has the authority to impose the ban under existing US immigration law. During his election campaign in 2015, Trump had called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States".

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