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'Don't beat us, just shoot us': Kashmiris allege violent army crackdown (Beatings and torture)

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Security forces in Indian-administered Kashmir have been accused of carrying out beatings and torture in the wake of the government's decision to strip the region of its autonomy.

The BBC heard from several villagers who said they were beaten with sticks and cables, and given electric shocks.

Residents in several villages showed me injuries. But the BBC was not able to verify the allegations with officials.

The Indian army has called them "baseless and unsubstantiated".

Unprecedented restrictions have put Kashmir into a state of lockdown for more than three weeks and information has only trickled out since 5 August when Article 370 - as the provision giving the region special status is known - was revoked.

Tens of thousands of extra troops have been deployed to the region and about 3,000 people - including political leaders, businesspeople and activists - are reported to have been detained. Many have been moved to prisons outside the state.

The authorities say these actions are pre-emptive and designed to maintain law and order in the region, which was India's only Muslim-majority state but is now being divided into two federally-run territories.

What happened in Kashmir and why it matters
'Even I will pick up a gun': Inside Kashmir's lockdown
The Indians celebrating Kashmir's loss of autonomy
The Indian army has been fighting a separatist insurgency here for over three decades. India blames Pakistan for fomenting violence in the region by supporting militants - a charge that its neighbour, which controls its own part of Kashmir, denies.

Many people across India have welcomed the revocation of Article 370 and have praised Prime Minister Narendra Modi for taking the "bold" decision. The move has also been widely supported by mainstream media.

Warning: Content below might cause distress to some readers

I visited at least half a dozen villages in the southern districts which have emerged as a hub of anti-India militancy in the past few years. I heard similar accounts from several people in all these villages of night raids, beatings and torture.

Doctors and health officials are unwilling to speak to journalists about any patients regardless of ailments, but the villagers showed me injuries alleged to have been inflicted by security forces.

In one village, residents said that the army went from house to house just hours after India announced the controversial decision that upended a decades-old arrangement between Delhi and Kashmir.

Two brothers alleged that they were woken up and taken to an outside area where nearly a dozen other men from the village had been gathered. Like everyone else we met, they were too afraid of reprisals to reveal their identities.

"They beat us up. We were asking them: 'What have we done? You can ask the villagers if we are lying, if we have done anything wrong?' But they didn't want to hear anything, they didn't say anything, they just kept beating us," one of them said.

"They beat every part of my body. They kicked us, beat us with sticks, gave us electric shocks, beat us with cables. They hit us on the back of the legs. When we fainted they gave us electric shocks to bring us back. When they hit us with sticks and we screamed, they sealed our mouth with mud.

"We told them we are innocent. We asked why they were doing this? But they did not listen to us. I told them don't beat us, just shoot us. I was asking God to take me, because the torture was unbearable."

Another villager, a young man, said the security forces kept asking him to "name the stone-throwers" - referring to the mostly young men and teenage boys who have in the past decade become the face of civilian protests in Kashmir Valley.

He said he told the soldiers he didn't know any, so they ordered him to remove his glasses, clothes and shoes.

"Once I took off my clothes they beat me mercilessly with rods and sticks, for almost two hours. Whenever I fell unconscious, they gave me shocks to revive [me].

"If they do it to me again, I am willing to do anything, I will pick up the gun. I can't bear this every day," he said.

The young man added that the soldiers told him to warn everyone in his village that if anyone participated in any protests against the forces, they would face similar repercussions.

All the men we spoke to in all the villages believe the security forces did this to intimidate the villagers so that they would be too scared to protest.

In a statement to the BBC, the Indian army said it had "not manhandled any civilians as alleged".

"No specific allegations of this nature have been brought to our notice. These allegations are likely to have been motivated by inimical elements," army spokesperson Col Aman Anand said.

Measures had been taken to protect civilians but "there have been no injuries or casualties due to countermeasures undertaken by the army", he added.

We drove through several villages where many residents were sympathetic towards separatist militant groups, whom they described as "freedom fighters".

It was in one district in this part of Kashmir in February that a suicide attack killed more than 40 Indian soldiers and brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war. This is also the same region where popular Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani was killed in 2016, after which many young and angry Kashmiris joined the insurgency against India.

Why the death of a militant has Kashmiris up in arms
There's an army camp in the region and the soldiers regularly comb the area to track down militants and sympathisers, but villagers say they often get caught in the middle.

In one village, I met a man in his early 20s who said the army threatened to frame him if he didn't become an informant against militants. When he refused, he alleged, he was beaten so badly that two weeks later he still cannot lie on his back.


Media captionThe Indian government initially denied this 9 August protest took place
"If this continues I'll have no choice but to leave my house. They beat us as if we are animals. They don't consider us human."

Another man who showed us his injuries said he was pushed to the ground and severely beaten with "cables, guns, sticks and probably iron rods" by "15-16 soldiers".

"I was semi-conscious. They pulled my beard so hard that I felt like my teeth would fall out."

He said he was later told by a boy who had witnessed the assault that one soldier tried to burn his beard, but was stopped by another soldier.

In yet another village, I met a young man who said his brother had joined the Hizbul Mujahideen - one of the largest groups fighting Indian rule in Kashmir- two years ago.

He said he was recently questioned at an army camp, where he alleged he was tortured and left with a leg fracture.

"They tied my hands and legs and hung me upside down. They beat me very badly for more than two hours," he said.

But the army denies any wrongdoing.

In their statement to the BBC they said they were "a professional organisation that understands and respects human rights" and that all allegations "are investigated expeditiously".

It added that 20 of a total 37 cases raised by the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) in the past five years were found to be "baseless", 15 were being investigated and "in only three cases allegations were found to be probe-worthy". Those found guilty, the statement added, are punished.

However, earlier this year, a report released by two prominent Kashmiri human rights organisations documented hundreds of alleged cases of human rights violations in Kashmir over the past three decades.

The UN Commission on Human Rights has also called for setting up a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to conduct a comprehensive independent international investigation into allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir. It has released a 49-page report on alleged excesses by security forces in the region.

India has rejected the allegations and the report.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49481180

Some bad pictures in the link.
 
May Allah SWT hjelp the Kashmiris. And death over these barbaric buzdil indian soldiers.
 
I believe most Indians would support shooting them up as long as India can gain control of Kashmir.
 
Wait a minute, BBC is not a reliable source, only reliable sources are TOI and HT.
 
After hardship comes ease. Hang in there Kashmiris as Allah's help will arrive soon no doubt about it. I can understand how they feel after such a long period of suffering.
 
Hope all our Kashmiris brothers and sisters on this website are all right. These fascist Hindus will regret this. You simply don't mess with Muslims. They don't understand when push comes to shove we are not scared to lose our lives.
 
Brothers there are people in India and on this forum like Joshilas,Rhondys etc who will say Kashmiris are doing this on their own to defame their army.Pathetic people like Rhony will say this is for their own betterment and its done to make them obedient.

As usual Indians not seen in this thread
 
shame on Modi and shame on Indians who are defending this. Injustice never lasts, never!
 
Terrifying state of affairs.

I've a friend and I've been unable to contact them and this is just maddening.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Thread?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Thread</a> <br>As part of this investigation - I visited multiple villages, and met several people who made these allegations across South Kashmir. The Indian army said the claims were 'baseless and unsubstantiated'<br> <a href="https://t.co/BDVppUVjvG">https://t.co/BDVppUVjvG</a></p>— Sameer Hashmi (@sameerhashmi) <a href="https://twitter.com/sameerhashmi/status/1167290077153656833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All the people I spoke to - said they were allegedly beaten with rods and cable wires and given electric shocks. They showed me their injuries.</p>— Sameer Hashmi (@sameerhashmi) <a href="https://twitter.com/sameerhashmi/status/1167291136756473862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Indian Army<br>'Indian army has not manhandled any civilians as alleged. Security forces operate strictly to ensure safety and security of civilians' <a href="https://t.co/f7G7K7oe5d">pic.twitter.com/f7G7K7oe5d</a></p>— Sameer Hashmi (@sameerhashmi) <a href="https://twitter.com/sameerhashmi/status/1167291909934436352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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We have pathetic darpok leaders. Kashmiris are being beaten to pulp and we are satisfied with Kashmir hours and tweets. Look look BBC etc are reporting this issue :facepalm:, Indians are embarrassed, as if that is going to change anything in Kashmir.
 
The statement from the Indian army is from screenshot of someone who is typing in a word document.

Frankly speaking, any govt document to be deemed as official will have to hold the signature of the authority and the seal. Even if it is a soft copy, it has to be digitally signed with encryption or password protected. Otherwise the soft copy has no value.

Right now, it is just some one typing a word document.
 
The statement from the Indian army is from screenshot of someone who is typing in a word document.

Frankly speaking, any govt document to be deemed as official will have to hold the signature of the authority and the seal. Even if it is a soft copy, it has to be digitally signed with encryption or password protected. Otherwise the soft copy has no value.

Right now, it is just some one typing a word document.

is the thread about indian army statement ?
 
Brothers there are people in India and on this forum like Joshilas,Rhondys etc who will say Kashmiris are doing this on their own to defame their army.Pathetic people like Rhony will say this is for their own betterment and its done to make them obedient.

As usual Indians not seen in this thread

Relax. Take a breath. Nobody will defend beating, blinding or killing Kashmiris if they are non violent. I said the curfew is for their protection at this emotional time. I've always maintained that Kashmiris should choose the path of peace because they can't fight an army with sticks or stones. What this article showed is worrisome if it is true. There were reports that army was given strict instructions to not bother regular citizens. If that's being violated, it is diffucult to control the situation when curfew is lifted.
 
is the thread about indian army statement ?

Exactly besides that statement was also read out by the BBC on the special I saw on BBC last night.

The point is that many people reported the same toture methods across the south, the bbc report interviews the people and showed the scars...
 
Relax. Take a breath. Nobody will defend beating, blinding or killing Kashmiris if they are non violent. I said the curfew is for their protection at this emotional time. I've always maintained that Kashmiris should choose the path of peace because they can't fight an army with sticks or stones. What this article showed is worrisome if it is true. There were reports that army was given strict instructions to not bother regular citizens. If that's being violated, it is diffucult to control the situation when curfew is lifted.

You actually believe in what you have written and that is scary and sad.

Like I’ve mentioned earlier, most Indians do not want peace, they want hegemony, and for most Indians life of a Muslim worth way less than life of a Hindu.
 
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You actually believe in what you have written and that is scary and sad.

Like I’ve mentioned earlier, most Indians do not want peace, they want hegemony, and for most Indians life of a Muslim worth way less than life of a Hindu.

Again as I mentioned earlier, there is a difference between wanting hegemony and wanting representation. India currently is a mid level player in the world. India's aspirations are to be a power with representation in the world institutions. It has nothing to do with Pakistan or Muslims. Millions of Indians of all religions live in Gulf Islamic countries. India maintains excellent relations with most Muslim majority countries. India has 200 mil Muslims living peacefully. An odd lynching out of 200 mil is not indicative of minorities status. Govt doesn't discriminate people based on religion. Everybody wants peace. But when peace is being disturbed, the 90s India sat tight. The current one doesn't. That's the only difference. No country's destiny is in other country's hands. India can't halt Pakistan's progress and vice versa. Peace is restored when conditions are pre 1990. When everybody minds their own business.
 
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Kashmiri do not want you to represent, I think they have made that pretty obvious plenty of times.

India can represent but how is aspiring to represent makes it 'okay' to occupy, kill, torture and rape?

Oh this is getting extremely entertaining, "millions of Indian lives in gulf", those millions of Indian do not support occupation? you certainly do. Millions are living in gulf because million can't find jobs in India, it happens when you trying extremely hard.

odd lynching, oh lord, i guess all 200 million has to be lynched for being muslims for it to make it a serious issue for Hindu's of India.

You support occupation, you are okay with kashmiri getting killed as long as you get the land, you may not verbalize it but everyone understand that.

One more thing i'd like to know, why are RSS supporters and member hesitant to openly admit their loyalty to the group?
[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]
 
Kashmiri do not want you to represent, I think they have made that pretty obvious plenty of times.

India can represent but how is aspiring to represent makes it 'okay' to occupy, kill, torture and rape?

Oh this is getting extremely entertaining, "millions of Indian lives in gulf", those millions of Indian do not support occupation? you certainly do. Millions are living in gulf because million can't find jobs in India, it happens when you trying extremely hard.

odd lynching, oh lord, i guess all 200 million has to be lynched for being muslims for it to make it a serious issue for Hindu's of India.

You support occupation, you are okay with kashmiri getting killed as long as you get the land, you may not verbalize it but everyone understand that.

One more thing i'd like to know, why are RSS supporters and member hesitant to openly admit their loyalty to the group?

[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

First of all, before you brand everybody talking about India in a positive light to be a RSS member, remember this. Modi won by claiming only 30 to 40 percent of the vote. Not all of those people are RSS. Not all are Hindus and not everybody cares about Kashmir or Pakistan. Also don't think the 60 to 70 percent people who didn't vote for Modi aren't patriotic. What Pakistan did is raise the profile of RSS.

I've said this many times and I'm not sure why people can't understand this point. Step 1: Kashmir Raja acceeded to India. Step2: Plebisite never happened because Pak didn't withdraw. Until then, this is the status quo with India claiming the entire Kashmir region. The only way Pakistan can claim this is if they withdraw, allow the plebisite, Kashmiris choose Pakistan. So, technically, if you think the people are with you, go ahead and withdraw. It would actually be a masterstroke if Imran does that. It will catch India with it's pants down. The tweets ain't gonna do much. This is his only way. Until then, this is India's problem. What Kashmiris want doesn't matter unless there is a plebisite, which again depends on Pakistan.

Indians are everywhere in the world. They help India diplomatically, economically and represent India. I mentioned gulf to prove my point that no, not all Hindus hate muslims. If they do, they don't go live in the lands of Muslims. When there is a huge minority as in India, there are bound to be skirmishes. There are people being shot in USA. Does that mean USA has a problem with security or minorities? No. Incidents happen. In bigger context, they are nothing.

No I don't support Kashmiris getting killed. Yes, India wants land and yes Pakistan wants land too. Otherwise, all these people apparently going through atrocities would be warmly welcomed to Islamabad. That ain't happening. So, yes it's a land issue and both countries want it. As far as army atrocities go, that is the difference between police and army. Go Google and see how J&K was before 80s and 90s. Check if there was this huge army back then. Read why the army had to come in. Once you have the army in, it's tough to reign them in. All that happened in the 90s was brutal on both sides. I hear better sense prevailed now atleast with the rapes and deaths. People have learned their lessons and how it will be in the future remains to be seen.
 
Kashmiri do not want you to represent, I think they have made that pretty obvious plenty of times.

India can represent but how is aspiring to represent makes it 'okay' to occupy, kill, torture and rape?

Oh this is getting extremely entertaining, "millions of Indian lives in gulf", those millions of Indian do not support occupation? you certainly do. Millions are living in gulf because million can't find jobs in India, it happens when you trying extremely hard.

odd lynching, oh lord, i guess all 200 million has to be lynched for being muslims for it to make it a serious issue for Hindu's of India.

You support occupation, you are okay with kashmiri getting killed as long as you get the land, you may not verbalize it but everyone understand that.

One more thing i'd like to know, why are RSS supporters and member hesitant to openly admit their loyalty to the group?

[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

First of all, before you brand everybody talking about India in a positive light to be a RSS member, remember this. Modi won by claiming only 30 to 40 percent of the vote. Not all of those people are RSS. Not all are Hindus and not everybody cares about Kashmir or Pakistan. Also don't think the 60 to 70 percent people who didn't vote for Modi aren't patriotic. What Pakistan did is raise the profile of RSS.

I've said this many times and I'm not sure why people can't understand this point. Step 1: Kashmir Raja acceeded to India. Step2: Plebisite never happened because Pak didn't withdraw. Until then, this is the status quo with India claiming the entire Kashmir region. The only way Pakistan can claim this is if they withdraw, allow the plebisite, Kashmiris choose Pakistan. So, technically, if you think the people are with you, go ahead and withdraw. It would actually be a masterstroke if Imran does that. It will catch India with it's pants down. The tweets ain't gonna do much. This is his only way. Until then, this is India's problem. What Kashmiris want doesn't matter unless there is a plebisite, which again depends on Pakistan.

Indians are everywhere in the world. They help India diplomatically, economically and represent India. I mentioned gulf to prove my point that no, not all Hindus hate muslims. If they do, they don't go live in the lands of Muslims. When there is a huge minority as in India, there are bound to be skirmishes. There are people being shot in USA. Does that mean USA has a problem with security or minorities? No. Incidents happen. In bigger context, they are nothing.

No I don't support Kashmiris getting killed. Yes, India wants land and yes Pakistan wants land too. Otherwise, all these people apparently going through atrocities would be warmly welcomed to Islamabad. That ain't happening. So, yes it's a land issue and both countries want it. As far as army atrocities go, that is the difference between police and army. Go Google and see how J&K was before 80s and 90s. Check if there was this huge army back then. Read why the army had to come in. Once you have the army in, it's tough to reign them in. All that happened in the 90s was brutal on both sides. I hear better sense prevailed now atleast with the rapes and deaths. People have learned their lessons and how it will be in the future remains to be seen.
 
First of all, before you brand everybody talking about India in a positive light to be a RSS member, remember this. Modi won by claiming only 30 to 40 percent of the vote. Not all of those people are RSS. Not all are Hindus and not everybody cares about Kashmir or Pakistan. Also don't think the 60 to 70 percent people who didn't vote for Modi aren't patriotic. What Pakistan did is raise the profile of RSS.

I've said this many times and I'm not sure why people can't understand this point. Step 1: Kashmir Raja acceeded to India. Step2: Plebisite never happened because Pak didn't withdraw. Until then, this is the status quo with India claiming the entire Kashmir region. The only way Pakistan can claim this is if they withdraw, allow the plebisite, Kashmiris choose Pakistan. So, technically, if you think the people are with you, go ahead and withdraw. It would actually be a masterstroke if Imran does that. It will catch India with it's pants down. The tweets ain't gonna do much. This is his only way. Until then, this is India's problem. What Kashmiris want doesn't matter unless there is a plebisite, which again depends on Pakistan.

Indians are everywhere in the world. They help India diplomatically, economically and represent India. I mentioned gulf to prove my point that no, not all Hindus hate muslims. If they do, they don't go live in the lands of Muslims. When there is a huge minority as in India, there are bound to be skirmishes. There are people being shot in USA. Does that mean USA has a problem with security or minorities? No. Incidents happen. In bigger context, they are nothing.

No I don't support Kashmiris getting killed. Yes, India wants land and yes Pakistan wants land too. Otherwise, all these people apparently going through atrocities would be warmly welcomed to Islamabad. That ain't happening. So, yes it's a land issue and both countries want it. As far as army atrocities go, that is the difference between police and army. Go Google and see how J&K was before 80s and 90s. Check if there was this huge army back then. Read why the army had to come in. Once you have the army in, it's tough to reign them in. All that happened in the 90s was brutal on both sides. I hear better sense prevailed now atleast with the rapes and deaths. People have learned their lessons and how it will be in the future remains to be seen.

Lol, I’m going to do [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] and ignore this but before I do that.

Every RSS member supports and supported Modi.

Rest is about justifying why India should continue to oppress, torture and rape.
 
Lol, I’m going to do [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] and ignore this but before I do that.

Every RSS member supports and supported Modi.

Rest is about justifying why India should continue to oppress, torture and rape.

Great that you have taken the first step...

Next step is to forget about the Kashmiris (who already have more democratic rights than most), and instead work to develop your country.
 
Great that you have taken the first step...

Next step is to forget about the Kashmiris (who already have more democratic rights than most), and instead work to develop your country.

That repeated argument, don’t raise the voice against oppression because you need more work.

Don’t raise your voice about Kashmir because, China.

Im sure you got couple of more similar to above in your bag to justify your government killing, torturing, raping and occupying Kashmiri.
 
That repeated argument, don’t raise the voice against oppression because you need more work.

Don’t raise your voice about Kashmir because, China.

Im sure you got couple of more similar to above in your bag to justify your government killing, torturing, raping and occupying Kashmiri.

1. Kashmiris have democratic rights like other Indians.
2. Religion is not enough reason to secede.
3. Soldiers may fire back if attacked.

That's all I need, peace.
 
Great that you have taken the first step...

Next step is to forget about the Kashmiris (who already have more democratic rights than most), and instead work to develop your country.

That's the hope and could actually be a reality soon. If Kashmiris settle down despite a few protests and calmly handle this, India can develop Kashmir and Pakistan theirs.
 
That's the hope and could actually be a reality soon. If Kashmiris settle down despite a few protests and calmly handle this, India can develop Kashmir and Pakistan theirs.

Yes, that is something reasonable to hope for.

I think I already see lesser media coverage to Kashmir in the Western media, and even fewer posts here on PP. Things are hopefully calming down.

IK's hyperbole may have found a sympathetic ear in the liberal media like NYT, WaPo and Guardian, but has left governments and even foreign populations unmoved.

I should have added a fourth point to my post above.

4. IK's comparing Modi to Hitler is supremely hypocritical and cause for mirth as he recently signed a letter to the UN saying China is a role model for human rights.
 
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Some Kashmiris are ready to die. Not for development or jobs or education...

How dare those idolaters rule us pious and best of mankind!! We will choose religion over the better future that India offers.
 
IK is on a guilt trip. The situation in Kashmir changed on his watch and in a long line of Pakistani leaders who have come and gone in the Kashmir saga, he doesn't want to be the one labeled as the guy under who's watch the narrative changed. So he is now going beserk trying to do everything to wag the dog so pakistanis don't turn on him.

Thing is I always thought IK was a smart guy. Did he not know that modi was a nazi till few weeks ago. Should he not have anticipated all this?
 
is the thread about indian army statement ?

It raises question about the authenticity of other information.

When you will put a screenshot of word document that is being written as the statement, what other manipulation the same source might have done knowingly or unknowingly.
 
We know the rules for posting etc - pls post normally

Do not add any links from RSS on this site.
 
Some Kashmiris are ready to die. Not for development or jobs or education...

How dare those idolaters rule us pious and best of mankind!! We will choose religion over the better future that India offers.

A very simplistic view of the Kashmir issue i’d say. If you believe that religion is the main factor for the insurgency than i’d suggest you read more on the Kashmir issue.
 
Some Kashmiris are ready to die. Not for development or jobs or education...

How dare those idolaters rule us pious and best of mankind!! We will choose religion over the better future that India offers.

Also, why do Indians believe they live in some kind of paradise? You do know that Kashmir has a better living standards and is more developed than some Indian states like Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Gujarat and West Bengal?

Your country is not that developed, chill.
 
A very simplistic view of the Kashmir issue i’d say. If you believe that religion is the main factor for the insurgency than i’d suggest you read more on the Kashmir issue.

It is only Muslim kashmiris who are fighting for separation and that too not all of them. Please do not also treat this group as a monolith. It's time Kashmir is treated like the rest of India is and people of all religions are allowed to live there anyway.
 
It is only Muslim kashmiris who are fighting for separation and that too not all of them. Please do not also treat this group as a monolith. It's time Kashmir is treated like the rest of India is and people of all religions are allowed to live there anyway.

I never said that religion wasn’t a factor but it isn’t the main factor that fuels the separatist movements.

The biggest causes for the insurgency is ethnic differences, historical events and atrocities by the Indian Army.
The Kashmir independence movement is very similar to the Kurdish independence movement.
 
I never said that religion wasn’t a factor but it isn’t the main factor that fuels the separatist movements.

The biggest causes for the insurgency is ethnic differences, historical events and atrocities by the Indian Army.
The Kashmir independence movement is very similar to the Kurdish independence movement.

Newsflash There are ethnic, racial, linguistic and religious differences in every state in India. That doesn't mean India can go around handing out a separate country for every state. Heck I come from tamlinadu and I know for a fact that the tamils have wanted a separate country for a while now from India. Dmk leader Stalin even said it recently. Just because some elements in a state want it doesn't make it true for all. Neither should it. There are or at least were other religious and ethnic groups in Kashmir that do not want separation. Their rights need to be protected. I don't condone any murder or oppression by the military if it happened and no amount of insurgency, terrorism or extremism is an excuse for the military committing atrocities. That should be dealt with and I hope the indians deal with it.
 
I never said that religion wasn’t a factor but it isn’t the main factor that fuels the separatist movements.

The biggest causes for the insurgency is ethnic differences, historical events and atrocities by the Indian Army.
The Kashmir independence movement is very similar to the Kurdish independence movement.

All Indian state has those same issues. But still we are united.

The army divisions that are specially assigned for jk, was also assigned for Assam once in the same way during 80s and 90s.

Before insurgency occurred, NE was in a much worse position than Kashmir. But we have moved far away from it.

It took almost 3 decades to bring it to the present state.

It will also takes decades to build Kashmir. But none the less, steps has been taken and the agitation will soon fade away.
 
Some Kashmiris are ready to die. Not for development or jobs or education...

How dare those idolaters rule us pious and best of mankind!! We will choose religion over the better future that India offers.

Maybe they just don't like you Indians, Simple as that.
 
They dnt like non Muslims. There is difference. And it makes us hate them even more. But i am sure and hopeful there are not many of them.

It's fine you can't force people to like you, if they don't like you, than it is what it is.
 
1. Kashmiris have democratic rights like other Indians.
2. Religion is not enough reason to secede.
3. Soldiers may fire back if attacked.

That's all I need, peace.

Even you do not believe in the above garbage you've typed up.

One has to go by the history of your comments and it is easy to deduce that.

You and your compadres were quick to highlight China when pointed out taking away democratic and human rights of Kashmiri.

Religion has been reason to secede, History.

Attacked with, "we demand our freedom".
 
They dnt like non Muslims. There is difference. And it makes us hate them even more. But i am sure and hopeful there are not many of them.

Is that why 84% want Kashmiri pandits to come back?

"Around 84 percent of people in Srinagar want to see the return of Kashmiri Pandits, a Hindu community, large numbers of whom fled the region after being targeted by Islamist militants. Many live in refugee camps elsewhere in India."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSDEL29179620070813
 
Even you do not believe in the above garbage you've typed up.

One has to go by the history of your comments and it is easy to deduce that.

You and your compadres were quick to highlight China when pointed out taking away democratic and human rights of Kashmiri.

Religion has been reason to secede, History.

Attacked with, "we demand our freedom".

Hello. Please check the private message I sent you a couple of days earlier and reply when possible - Thanks.
 
Even you do not believe in the above garbage you've typed up.

One has to go by the history of your comments and it is easy to deduce that.

You and your compadres were quick to highlight China when pointed out taking away democratic and human rights of Kashmiri.

Religion has been reason to secede, History.

Attacked with, "we demand our freedom".

1. Points are simple, and definitely worthy of believing.

2. Rather than addressing the points, you simply call it garbage. So no more replies from me, bye.
 
Is that why 84% want Kashmiri pandits to come back?

"Around 84 percent of people in Srinagar want to see the return of Kashmiri Pandits, a Hindu community, large numbers of whom fled the region after being targeted by Islamist militants. Many live in refugee camps elsewhere in India."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSDEL29179620070813

Kashmiri Pandits are not going to return as long as the terrorists have guns. There is no reason to believe if they returned their women and children would not be massacred again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Wandhama_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Prankote_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Chapnari_massacre
 
1. Points are simple, and definitely worthy of believing.

2. Rather than addressing the points, you simply call it garbage. So no more replies from me, bye.

hahaha, was waiting for this moment where you would throw your toys out of pram when you get called out on your ** and "garbage" defense of India.

lol, hahahahah
 
hahaha, was waiting for this moment where you would throw your toys out of pram when you get called out on your ** and "garbage" defense of India.

lol, hahahahah

There is no value in an endless debate that lacks reason. Life is finite, but the set of irrational replies is infinite.
 
Graphic images in the article.


With meticulous planning then mass arrests and ‘torture’, Kashmir’s autonomy was lost

When Jammu and Kashmir’s governor addressed the world in a press conference on 4 August, people in the Muslim-majority valley were worried.

After decades of bubbling unrest in the most highly militarised region on the planet, they knew the signs were there that something big was happening. But when the governor was asked, he told the media that it was simply “unnecessary panic” created by “rumour mongering”.

He had lied. The next day, the Modi administration announced that Kashmir’s constitutionally enshrined autonomy was being unilaterally withdrawn, and the state was being downgraded and split into two “union territories”.

The news sent shockwaves across India and the region – but in Kashmir itself, a carefully orchestrated communications and travel lockdown allowed the government to claim that the situation remained “normal”.

Now, as the first detailed allegations emerge of torture and abuse by the security forces maintaining the lockdown in the region, The Independent can trace the events that led to the end of Kashmir’s special status.

Rewind to 26 July, and the first sign of the groundwork being laid by the Indian government was a redeployment of an additional 100 companies – around 10,000 soldiers – to a region already saturated with security forces.

The move was issued under the pretence of countering the militancy in the region, even though the number of militant attacks had come down in recent months.

After a few days, another 180 companies were sent to the valley, but this time home secretary Shaleen Kabra gave the excuse that there was specific intelligence of an imminent terror attack around the annual Hindu pilgrimage to Amarnath Temple in the Himalayas.

The order was followed by another advisory notice, issued by the Modi government and again citing the terror threat, asking tourists and pilgrims to leave the valley immediately for their own safety.

Meanwhile, the influx of troops was creating panic and confusion on the streets of Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir’s summer capital.

Footage obtained by The Independent shows worried students turning up at their college buildings and accommodation only to discover that they had been commandeered by the army to house the security forces.

Part-time students who attend the Indira Gandhi National Open University on Sundays travelled for hours to reach college on 4 August only to find the gates shut.

Shabana Wani, a 28-year-old woman who travelled almost 70km to attend college that day, said she called her professor. “I asked him about shutting the college, he said they didn’t have any proper orders, they just received the call to close immediately as forces we supposed to take the college.”

At the same time, doctors say, the authorities ordered all major hospitals to conduct an immediate stock-taking exercise. Hospital employees told The Independent they were largely unable to give an accurate count of their supplies in the short span of time provided.

The preparations led to a climate of hostility towards non-locals. Videos show migrant workers from the rest of India flocking to taxi ranks leaving Srinagar with only the luggage they can carry, while non-local students at the National Institute of Electronics and Information and Technology were picked out and taken away from a hostel by forces – possibly for their own safety.

The communications lockdown, in force since 4 August, meant that the scale of the preparations was not appreciated at the time, and only official statements such as those from the governor, insisting everything was OK, were widely circulated.

The announcement on 5 August, that the government was reading down Article 370 of India’s constitution, meant the worst nightmare of many Kashmiris had come true.

An angry backlash was expected. But visiting the most restive districts of southern Kashmir, The Independent heard allegations from residents that security forces resorted to extreme brutality and public humiliation in order to snuff out any unrest at source.

People in Nadapora Parigam, an area of the Pulwama district where a deadly suicide bombing killed 40 paramilitary officers in February, said that local boys were tortured by the security forces on the night of 5 August, hours after the Article 370 announcement was made.

Mohammad Yasin Bhat, 22, said he was dragged out of his bed at midnight by soldiers and brought out of his home to the main road, where he was made to stand naked in line with 11 other civilians.

It became apparent that security forces passing through the neighbourhood had been pelted with stones earlier in the day, and the troops were rounding up youths – seemingly at random – to find the culprits.

The officer in charge began by asking Yasin about his views of the Article 370 decision, he said. “I could sense the tension around, so, for my own safety, I said ‘we are happy – it is a good decision’. But I knew he didn’t trust my words,” said Yasin.

Yasin said he and the others were asked to remove their clothes, and then beaten with canes, gun butts and kicks. He says there was no one to help them – the whole village was cordoned off, and troops were at every corner.

During the beating, “many of us fainted”, Yasin said. “They would give electric shocks in our private parts, and start the torture again.”

The family showed pictures of severe bruising on Yasin’s backside and thighs, while other families provided images of other youths who had suffered injuries.

During the beating, one man who asked for water was made to drink muddy drain water from the side of the road, Yasin said. And the final indignity came when, at the end of the beating, the naked men were made to “lie face-down on top of each other in a pile”. “It was harassment, making us feel violated,” he said.

Neighbours gave similar accounts of the incident. One man in his eighties, who asked not to be named, said he watched the beatings from beginning to end and, when the security forces left, came out onto the street to help “rescue all of the victims”.

Yasin’s is not the only allegation of torture by the security forces to have emerged since the current crisis in Kashmir began, and representatives for the Indian army have strongly denied the claims.

In a statement to the BBC, which reported on alleged beatings in Pulwama on Friday, a spokesperson said the Indian army was “a professional organisation that understands and respects human rights” and that all allegations “are investigated expeditiously”.

On the same night of 5 August, at around 2am, armed forces arrived at the residence of Mohammad Maqbool Khan in the New Colony area of south Kashmir’s Shopian district.

Soldiers started banging on the door. Maqbool’s daughter in-law, Shazada Bano, said she rushed to open it in a panic.

“They ordered all of us to come in the courtyard. All of us gathered and they started asking our names,” she said. As soon as they heard the name of Amir Khan, a 27-year-old man who runs an electronics shop, they dragged him outside.

“We tried to stop them, but they said they want him to guide them in locating a few houses for searches, and we believed them. But that wasn’t true at all,” said Shazada.

The next morning when they reached the nearest police station, they found Amir in lockup. Maqbool asked officials the reason for his detention and they replied simply that he “will be released after 15 August” (India’s Independence Day, when a spike in unrest was expected).

That never happened, and on 18 August when Maqbool went to see Amir, the commanding officer told him he had been moved to the central jail in Srinagar.

The family travelled to the city and asked after Amir. They were told he and three other men from their village had been booked under the Public Safety Act – an emergency law that allows the authorities to imprison a person for up to two years without charge or trial.

One of the other youths detained was Shahid Ahmad Bhat, a 25-year-old boy whose father Mushtaq Ahmad Bhat is a pharmacist who lives a few metres away from Maqbool.

But unlike Maqbool, Mushtaq doesn’t even know where his son is being held. “For some time he was in the police station, later they said he has been shifted to Srinagar. At central jail, officials said he is not there. I have no idea where my son is, or if he is dead or alive,” Mushtaq said.

Government officials would not comment on specific cases, but they were not shy about the scale of the arrests carried out since 5 August decision. An official told The Independent that more than 4,000 people have been detained since the announcement, though they could not give an exact number. Many, like Shahid and Amir, face the prospect of potentially years in jail without any recourse to justice.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...utonomy-torture-claims-planning-a9086611.html
 
This thread needs some editing and some infarctions perhaps. I am surprised to see some posts still here which does violate the rules.
 
Graphic images in the article.


With meticulous planning then mass arrests and ‘torture’, Kashmir’s autonomy was lost

When Jammu and Kashmir’s governor addressed the world in a press conference on 4 August, people in the Muslim-majority valley were worried.

After decades of bubbling unrest in the most highly militarised region on the planet, they knew the signs were there that something big was happening. But when the governor was asked, he told the media that it was simply “unnecessary panic” created by “rumour mongering”.

He had lied. The next day, the Modi administration announced that Kashmir’s constitutionally enshrined autonomy was being unilaterally withdrawn, and the state was being downgraded and split into two “union territories”.

The news sent shockwaves across India and the region – but in Kashmir itself, a carefully orchestrated communications and travel lockdown allowed the government to claim that the situation remained “normal”.

Now, as the first detailed allegations emerge of torture and abuse by the security forces maintaining the lockdown in the region, The Independent can trace the events that led to the end of Kashmir’s special status.

Rewind to 26 July, and the first sign of the groundwork being laid by the Indian government was a redeployment of an additional 100 companies – around 10,000 soldiers – to a region already saturated with security forces.

The move was issued under the pretence of countering the militancy in the region, even though the number of militant attacks had come down in recent months.

After a few days, another 180 companies were sent to the valley, but this time home secretary Shaleen Kabra gave the excuse that there was specific intelligence of an imminent terror attack around the annual Hindu pilgrimage to Amarnath Temple in the Himalayas.

The order was followed by another advisory notice, issued by the Modi government and again citing the terror threat, asking tourists and pilgrims to leave the valley immediately for their own safety.

Meanwhile, the influx of troops was creating panic and confusion on the streets of Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir’s summer capital.

Footage obtained by The Independent shows worried students turning up at their college buildings and accommodation only to discover that they had been commandeered by the army to house the security forces.

Part-time students who attend the Indira Gandhi National Open University on Sundays travelled for hours to reach college on 4 August only to find the gates shut.

Shabana Wani, a 28-year-old woman who travelled almost 70km to attend college that day, said she called her professor. “I asked him about shutting the college, he said they didn’t have any proper orders, they just received the call to close immediately as forces we supposed to take the college.”

At the same time, doctors say, the authorities ordered all major hospitals to conduct an immediate stock-taking exercise. Hospital employees told The Independent they were largely unable to give an accurate count of their supplies in the short span of time provided.

The preparations led to a climate of hostility towards non-locals. Videos show migrant workers from the rest of India flocking to taxi ranks leaving Srinagar with only the luggage they can carry, while non-local students at the National Institute of Electronics and Information and Technology were picked out and taken away from a hostel by forces – possibly for their own safety.

The communications lockdown, in force since 4 August, meant that the scale of the preparations was not appreciated at the time, and only official statements such as those from the governor, insisting everything was OK, were widely circulated.

The announcement on 5 August, that the government was reading down Article 370 of India’s constitution, meant the worst nightmare of many Kashmiris had come true.

An angry backlash was expected. But visiting the most restive districts of southern Kashmir, The Independent heard allegations from residents that security forces resorted to extreme brutality and public humiliation in order to snuff out any unrest at source.

People in Nadapora Parigam, an area of the Pulwama district where a deadly suicide bombing killed 40 paramilitary officers in February, said that local boys were tortured by the security forces on the night of 5 August, hours after the Article 370 announcement was made.

Mohammad Yasin Bhat, 22, said he was dragged out of his bed at midnight by soldiers and brought out of his home to the main road, where he was made to stand naked in line with 11 other civilians.

It became apparent that security forces passing through the neighbourhood had been pelted with stones earlier in the day, and the troops were rounding up youths – seemingly at random – to find the culprits.

The officer in charge began by asking Yasin about his views of the Article 370 decision, he said. “I could sense the tension around, so, for my own safety, I said ‘we are happy – it is a good decision’. But I knew he didn’t trust my words,” said Yasin.

Yasin said he and the others were asked to remove their clothes, and then beaten with canes, gun butts and kicks. He says there was no one to help them – the whole village was cordoned off, and troops were at every corner.

During the beating, “many of us fainted”, Yasin said. “They would give electric shocks in our private parts, and start the torture again.”

The family showed pictures of severe bruising on Yasin’s backside and thighs, while other families provided images of other youths who had suffered injuries.

During the beating, one man who asked for water was made to drink muddy drain water from the side of the road, Yasin said. And the final indignity came when, at the end of the beating, the naked men were made to “lie face-down on top of each other in a pile”. “It was harassment, making us feel violated,” he said.

Neighbours gave similar accounts of the incident. One man in his eighties, who asked not to be named, said he watched the beatings from beginning to end and, when the security forces left, came out onto the street to help “rescue all of the victims”.

Yasin’s is not the only allegation of torture by the security forces to have emerged since the current crisis in Kashmir began, and representatives for the Indian army have strongly denied the claims.

In a statement to the BBC, which reported on alleged beatings in Pulwama on Friday, a spokesperson said the Indian army was “a professional organisation that understands and respects human rights” and that all allegations “are investigated expeditiously”.

On the same night of 5 August, at around 2am, armed forces arrived at the residence of Mohammad Maqbool Khan in the New Colony area of south Kashmir’s Shopian district.

Soldiers started banging on the door. Maqbool’s daughter in-law, Shazada Bano, said she rushed to open it in a panic.

“They ordered all of us to come in the courtyard. All of us gathered and they started asking our names,” she said. As soon as they heard the name of Amir Khan, a 27-year-old man who runs an electronics shop, they dragged him outside.

“We tried to stop them, but they said they want him to guide them in locating a few houses for searches, and we believed them. But that wasn’t true at all,” said Shazada.

The next morning when they reached the nearest police station, they found Amir in lockup. Maqbool asked officials the reason for his detention and they replied simply that he “will be released after 15 August” (India’s Independence Day, when a spike in unrest was expected).

That never happened, and on 18 August when Maqbool went to see Amir, the commanding officer told him he had been moved to the central jail in Srinagar.

The family travelled to the city and asked after Amir. They were told he and three other men from their village had been booked under the Public Safety Act – an emergency law that allows the authorities to imprison a person for up to two years without charge or trial.

One of the other youths detained was Shahid Ahmad Bhat, a 25-year-old boy whose father Mushtaq Ahmad Bhat is a pharmacist who lives a few metres away from Maqbool.

But unlike Maqbool, Mushtaq doesn’t even know where his son is being held. “For some time he was in the police station, later they said he has been shifted to Srinagar. At central jail, officials said he is not there. I have no idea where my son is, or if he is dead or alive,” Mushtaq said.

Government officials would not comment on specific cases, but they were not shy about the scale of the arrests carried out since 5 August decision. An official told The Independent that more than 4,000 people have been detained since the announcement, though they could not give an exact number. Many, like Shahid and Amir, face the prospect of potentially years in jail without any recourse to justice.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...utonomy-torture-claims-planning-a9086611.html

No. It started way before this. BJP had this part of the agenda and swore revenge since the following incident and they created an atmosphere to execute it


In July 1988, the Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) began a separatist insurgency for independence of Kashmir from India.[36] The group targeted a Kashmiri Hindu for the first time on 14 September 1989, when they killed Pandit Tika Lal Taploo, an advocate and a prominent leader of Bharatiya Janata Party in Jammu & Kashmir in front of several eyewitnesses. This instilled fear in the Kashmiri Pandit community especially as Taploo's killers were never caught which also emboldened the terrorists. The Pandits felt that they weren't safe in the valley and could be targeted any time. The killings of Kashmiri Hindus continued that included many of the prominent ones.[37]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus
 
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