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Maryam is back to begging mode? She is almost begging establishment to support her instead of IK :)) yeh dilwayenge vote ko izat?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">محض بوٹ نہیں چاٹے جا رہے بلکہ سیدھا سیدھا باپ بنایا جا رہا ہے۔ معاملہ ترلے منتوں تک آ گیا ہے اور کھیل دلچسپ مرحلے میں داخل ہوا چاہتا ہے۔ <a href="https://t.co/8IKEybBA9b">pic.twitter.com/8IKEybBA9b</a></p>— Ali Salman Alvi (@alisalmanalvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/alisalmanalvi/status/1154452868675465216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] your leader is ready to be a puppet just liek her daddy and uncle :))
 
Maryam is back to begging mode? She is almost begging establishment to support her instead of IK :)) yeh dilwayenge vote ko izat?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">محض بوٹ نہیں چاٹے جا رہے بلکہ سیدھا سیدھا باپ بنایا جا رہا ہے۔ معاملہ ترلے منتوں تک آ گیا ہے اور کھیل دلچسپ مرحلے میں داخل ہوا چاہتا ہے۔ <a href="https://t.co/8IKEybBA9b">pic.twitter.com/8IKEybBA9b</a></p>— Ali Salman Alvi (@alisalmanalvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/alisalmanalvi/status/1154452868675465216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] your leader is ready to be a puppet just liek her daddy and uncle :))

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I'm not a PML-N fan and I don't support Maryam Safdar but I do appreciate the fact that there is a major polictican visiting Quetta. I remember in the run up to the election no important leader from a single party came to Balochistan.
 
Don't pick fight with nation for incapable Imran Khan: Maryam 'requests institutions'

PML-N leader Maryam Nawaz on Thursday urged unnamed institutions to "not come face to face" with the people of Pakistan for the sake of what she called the "incapable" government of Prime Minister Imran Khan.

She was addressing a public gathering in Quetta's Ayub Stadium, one of numerous events and rallies held across the country by the opposition parties to mark the first anniversary of the 2018 general elections as 'Youm-e-Siah' — 'black day'.

The joint opposition are holding public meetings in all provincial capitals — Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar and Quetta — while a demonstration was also held in Islamabad.

Addressing the "respected institutions" of the country, Maryam said that these institutions represented all the provinces of Pakistan, "but you are not the institutions of Imran Khan. You are not the representatives of the man who brought historical failure to Pakistan."

"Don't pick a fight with the people for the incapable and failed Imran Khan," she said while addressing the unnamed institutions.

Claiming that the people of Balochistan, Punjab, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa were upset with, but "want to respect", the institutions, she urged these powers to "come forward and hug" the people of various provinces and solve their issues. She also asked them to "honour the vote" and let the people's representatives be elected.

Maryam said the opposition parties were observing 'Youm-i-Siyah' today because a year ago on this day, "Your vote was crushed under the foot."

She questioned the origins of the ruling Balochistan Awami Party (BAP), saying it was imposed upon the people of Balochistan after "snatching" their right to elect their representative. The people's "true representatives" were asked forced to switch their loyalties and "fake cases" were instituted against those who refused to comply, the PML-N leader alleged.

Referring to Prime Minister Imran Khan as "selected" once again, she alleged that every day under the rule of the incumbent government was a black day for Pakistanis suffering from high inflation and the loss of their businesses.

She alleged that the premier had "sat silently" when US President Donald Trump, during the former's recent visit to Washington, stated that the former Pakistani governments had not cooperated with the US.

"He does not even have the self-respect to represent Pakistan in the US by himself. [He] took people from institutions with him because no one is ready to listen to him alone," she said.

Maryam claimed that the country was going through a severe economic crisis because the vote of Pakistani people "had not been honoured".

She also claimed that whichever city she holds a public gathering in, "6,000-7,000 people are arrested" there and TV channels are warned against broadcasting her speeches.

Lauding her father's past efforts to "honour the vote", she said Nawaz Sharif could have formed a PML-N government after the 2013 general elections if he had so desired, "but he honoured the vote of Balochistan's people and made Dr Abdul Malik Baloch the chief minister of Balochistan". She even claimed that the PML-N could have formed its government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in 2013 after some "manipulation" but that Sharif had respected the majority obtained by the PTI.

It was also Nawaz Sharif who decided from jail that the person to replace incumbent Senate Chairman Sadiq Sanjrani should be Hasil Bizenjo from Balochistan, she added.

"These are the elected representatives of the people who connect the hearts and provinces," Maryam said, adding that the "wheel of progress" in Pakistan has stopped under the PTI government.

Mahmood Khan Achakzai, the chairman of Pashtoonkhwa Milli Awami Party, and other opposition leaders also joined Maryam at the rally. Security had been beefed up around the stadium.

In a post shared on Twitter prior to her departure, Maryam wrote that every day under the current government — that she alleged had "stolen votes and was a fraud" — is a black day for the country.


Karachi

PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto Zardari led the public meeting at Bagh-e-Jinnah in Karachi alongside PML-N’s Ayaz Sadiq. Opposition parties had set up welcome camps around the location and strict security arrangements were made.

Addressing the rally, Bilawal alleged that a "selected government" was imposed on the people of Pakistan after the 2018 elections on July 25 — a day he too termed "black day".

He said the PTI government had made life difficult for people by "dropping the bomb of inflation" and downed the image of Pakistan before the international community.

"And today, we are formally initiating a disobedience drive against the government," the PPP leader announced.

Bilawal said if the country today has an agreed constitution, "it is the Islamic, democratic, federal Constitution of 1973, which was composed by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in collaboration with Mufti Mahmood and other parties."

"We [the PPP] and the PML-N signed the important document of Charter of Democracy, through which we restored the 1973 Constitution with the help of the 18th Constitutional Amendment.

"We, in collaboration with the ANP, provided identity to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa by changing the name of NWFP province. Hasil Bizenjo and his father, Mir Ghous Bux Bizenjo, spent their lives for the rights of the people of Balochistan. Moulana Noorani had always struggled for inter-faith harmony and democracy. Achakzai has also spent his entire life for democracy and rights of nations.

"We have our own political parties, thoughts and political constitutions. And in the past, we had engaged each other in political fights but we all are patriotic Pakistanis," Bilawal told the crowd.

He said the aforementioned political leaders had fought together for the country's interest and for the supremacy of democracy.

"Today, we all can see that democracy in Pakistan is in danger. Our federation is being targeted.

"Pakistan is facing so many problems that a single political party or politician cannot resolve them. And today, once again, we are united," the PPP chairperson said.

He thanked Ayaz Sadiq, Abdul Ghafoor Haideri of the JUI-F, Senator Raza Mohammad Raza of the PkMAP, Amal Wali of the ANP, Mohammad Baloch of the National Party and other political leaders for participating in the rally.

The opposition parties in the National Assembly had also decided to hold a general convention today outside the Mausoleum of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Central leaders of the opposition parties addressed the event while conventions were also held in other provincial capitals.


Lahore

Lahore’s public meeting was presided over by PML-N President and Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shehbaz Sharif at Mall Road.

Shehbaz strongly criticised the prime minister for his political and economic policies and what he called "the worst revenge on the pretext of accountability".

He alleged that on July 25, 2018, the worst-ever election rigging in the history took place. "From Chitral to Karachi, votes were counted in the absence of polling agents," he added.

The PML-N president also presented a comparison between the prices of bread during the tenure of the PML-N and the incumbent government. "What is the price of a roti today — Rs15," he said while addressing the prime minister and recalled that it was available against Rs5 during the tenure of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

"During the tenure of Nawaz Sharif, the prices of medicines were reasonable and were made available free of cost in government-run hospitals, while today, traders, livelihood and even voices are suppressed," he added.

"Tens of thousands of people have become jobless [...] do you want more joblessness and more expensive bread? — if no, then there is only one way, dislodge Imran Niazi."

PPP Punjab president Qamar Zaman Kaira also addressed the rally.

A large contingent of police and anti-riot force personnel were stationed around Mall Road, where heavy rainfall affected preparations.

Earlier, it was reported that the Punjab government had denied permission to the opposition to hold a rally on The Mall today.


Peshawar

PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal lashed out at the government during a public gathering, saying that the incumbent government had "ruined" the economy in the first year of its tenure.

He was addressing a public meeting at Motorway Chowk on Ring Road in Peshawar alongside members of opposition parties including Qaumi Watan Party's Chairman Aftab Sherpao and Awami National Party's President Asfandyar Wali Khan. Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who was leading the rally, also addressed the gathering.

A visibly charged Iqbal said that Prime Minister Imran has asked for loans from every friendly nation. "He (prime minister) used to say that he would commit suicide but not ask the International Monetary Fund for money," Iqbal said.

The former planning minister said that Nawaz Sharif had delivered on all his promises and merged the tribal areas with the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

Over 1,100 police officers and 250 traffic police officers were on duty for the opposition gathering at Motorway Chowk.


Islamabad

Local leaders and workers of the PML-N carried out a protest rally in front of the National Press Club in Islamabad.

Participants of the rally, which included local leaders of the JUI-F and PkMAP, chanted slogans against Prime Minister Imran and his government. Police and other security personnel were present at the protest site.

Addressing the rally, PkMAP Islamabad president Abdul Qayyum Achakzai alleged that the PTI government had promised "change" but instead imposed taxes worth Rs750 billion on the people after coming into power.

He claimed that supporters of his party were unable to join the opposition rally in Balochistan because roads across the province had allegedly been blocked. "We strongly condemn [the move]," he added.

On the other side of the capital, supporters of the ruling PTI cut a cake to celebrate and observe "Thanks Giving Day" today to mark Prime Minister Imran's ascension to power.

The opposition rallies coincide with Imran Khan's return from an official working visit to the United States, which has largely been seen as a diplomatic win for the government.

The premier, while addressing a large crowd at a community event at Washington's Capital One Arena on his first day in the US, had gone after opposition leaders and threatened to 'take away' their prison facilities. "They will stay there as long as they do not return the money they have looted," Imran had thundered to a charged audience.

Opposition parties had lambasted Prime Minister Imran over his speech and termed it “provocative, anarchic and full of venom”.

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Let's be clear, had it not been for daddy's party Bibi Maryam would not even be fit to be a sweeper in any other political party. She should be the last person to call anyone incompetent
 
Let's be clear, had it not been for daddy's party Bibi Maryam would not even be fit to be a sweeper in any other political party. She should be the last person to call anyone incompetent

Most politicians take advantage of head-starts that gives them the edge. While some inherit parties and leadership roles, others cash their celebrity status and massive fan following. If Imran wasn’t a Pakistan cricket hero, would he be where he is today? No.

That is why Modi is so remarkable. His journey from a tea-seller to the PM of India is a miracle.
 
She will be screaming even more now that daddy's air conditioner and TV have been removed:) If true this is a great day for sure. Have been waiting for a long time to see him struggle and suffer in massive heat like other prisoners with wasps biting him all night like crazy. Hey Modi look at what we are doing with one off your best friends:asghar
 
Most politicians take advantage of head-starts that gives them the edge. While some inherit parties and leadership roles, others cash their celebrity status and massive fan following. If Imran wasn’t a Pakistan cricket hero, would he be where he is today? No.
Its like asking, if Imran wasn't born, would he be where he is today? Lol Yes Imran was a cricket hero and achieved laurels for his nation. Made cancer hospitals and a university. Who do you credit for these things? He worked for all those things. He didnt get them for free.

That is why Modi is so remarkable. His journey from a tea-seller to the PM of India is a miracle.

What is remarkable about Modi's rise? Grow up in RSS circles, get close to their leadership, Peddle anti-muslim narratives, butcher thousands in Gujrat as chief minister, polarize the community during your election campaigns, normalize cow lynchings and hindutva mobs and cash in on a declining congress party. These are the methods which Modi used to get to power. He rise to power is a travesty for the Indian nation and has taken their substantive democracy decades backwards.
 
Its like asking, if Imran wasn't born, would he be where he is today? Lol Yes Imran was a cricket hero and achieved laurels for his nation. Made cancer hospitals and a university. Who do you credit for these things? He worked for all those things. He didnt get them for free.



What is remarkable about Modi's rise? Grow up in RSS circles, get close to their leadership, Peddle anti-muslim narratives, butcher thousands in Gujrat as chief minister, polarize the community during your election campaigns, normalize cow lynchings and hindutva mobs and cash in on a declining congress party. These are the methods which Modi used to get to power. He rise to power is a travesty for the Indian nation and has taken their substantive democracy decades backwards.

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Most politicians take advantage of head-starts that gives them the edge. While some inherit parties and leadership roles, others cash their celebrity status and massive fan following. If Imran wasn’t a Pakistan cricket hero, would he be where he is today? No.

That is why Modi is so remarkable. His journey from a tea-seller to the PM of India is a miracle.

Inherited positions are rarely, if ever, earned and a lot of the times such leaders are incompetent and undeserving. Leaders who work for their positions or earn them are generally more likely to bring about change and progress.

Had Imran not been a cricketing hero he would have still amounted to much more than Maryam, be it charisma, education (we all know to what lengths daddy dearest went for her) or success. However, the real question is, had Zia not happened, would Nawaz be where he is today? And what future would Maryam, a complete academic failure, have had without daddy's political influence?
 
Inherited positions are rarely, if ever, earned and a lot of the times such leaders are incompetent and undeserving. Leaders who work for their positions or earn them are generally more likely to bring about change and progress.

Had Imran not been a cricketing hero he would have still amounted to much more than Maryam, be it charisma, education (we all know to what lengths daddy dearest went for her) or success. However, the real question is, had Zia not happened, would Nawaz be where he is today? And what future would Maryam, a complete academic failure, have had without daddy's political influence?

Abbaji got him a job in railway that didn't work, abbaji had him pushed into Punjab police that didn't work. He tried his luck at acting and playing cricket.... total failure. Then abbaji somehow presented this magnificent specimen to Zia, and the rest as they say is history.
 
Abbaji got him a job in railway that didn't work, abbaji had him pushed into Punjab police that didn't work. He tried his luck at acting and playing cricket.... total failure. Then abbaji somehow presented this magnificent specimen to Zia, and the rest as they say is history.

Someone who should have ended up spending most of his life in nihari shops and running the family business into the ground instead ended up being the PM of the country and running the country into the ground, how ironic and sad. And some people here say that honesty and meritocracy as societal values are overrated.
 
What is going on here, [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Please come in here and help us make sense of it all.
 
What is going on here, [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Please come in here and help us make sense of it all.

He is busy finding a way to defend PMLN's new approach of using Qadiani card against PTI and IK.
 
Most politicians take advantage of head-starts that gives them the edge. While some inherit parties and leadership roles, others cash their celebrity status and massive fan following. If Imran wasn’t a Pakistan cricket hero, would he be where he is today? No.

That is why Modi is so remarkable. His journey from a tea-seller to the PM of India is a miracle.

let us count the number of cricketer heroes that formed their own party and have become prime minister shall we?
 
Most politicians take advantage of head-starts that gives them the edge. While some inherit parties and leadership roles, others cash their celebrity status and massive fan following. If Imran wasn’t a Pakistan cricket hero, would he be where he is today? No.

That is why Modi is so remarkable. His journey from a tea-seller to the PM of India is a miracle.

Are you seriously comparing IK with that Muslim killer?

That's a new low....
 
let us count the number of cricketer heroes that formed their own party and have become prime minister shall we?

I think some people are not able to comprehend what Imran Khan has achieved here in Politics. Due to my deep interest in political science, i can tell you that not many people have been able to achieve what IK has. To break through what had essentially become a two party system is no mean feat. He has defied the Duverger's law which states that no matter how much you push for a multi-party democratic system, eventual result will always be a two party system in practice. For a smaller 3rd party to come and demolish the established 2 major parties is a legendary achievement.
 
Its like asking, if Imran wasn't born, would he be where he is today? Lol Yes Imran was a cricket hero and achieved laurels for his nation. Made cancer hospitals and a university. Who do you credit for these things? He worked for all those things. He didnt get them for free.

Sporting success cannot be achieved by hardwork alone. If you don't have the natural ability, you can work harder than Imran but you will not becoming a legendary cricketer. There is no doubt that Imran worked very hard, but he was also blessed by the Almighty with immense talent for the game. He has cashed his success as a cricketer in his later endeavours, which he would not have been able to achieve without his legacy as a cricketer.


What is remarkable about Modi's rise? Grow up in RSS circles, get close to their leadership, Peddle anti-muslim narratives, butcher thousands in Gujrat as chief minister, polarize the community during your election campaigns, normalize cow lynchings and hindutva mobs and cash in on a declining congress party. These are the methods which Modi used to get to power. He rise to power is a travesty for the Indian nation and has taken their substantive democracy decades backwards.

It is fine to criticise Modi's ideology and policies but it doesn't explain his journey from being a tea-seller in a country like India (there are probably a million tea-sellers) and becoming the PM of 1.3 billion people. You can criticise him form butchering Muslims, but that doesn't dampen his remarkable journey from selling tea to becoming the CM Gujrat. He did not inherit a political family, he was not rich and he was not a public figure adored by the country. He literally worked his way from the streets to the top, and that is incredible.
 
let us count the number of cricketer heroes that formed their own party and have become prime minister shall we?

Let me explain with an example.

If both I and Wasim Akram decide to form political parties, who would be more likely to become the PM of Pakistan one day and why? Who do you think will have to overcome more challenges and obstacles and find it harder to gather people?

You will understand my point when you answer my question.
 
Are you seriously comparing IK with that Muslim killer?

That's a new low....

I am comparing their journeys to the top. Imran was one of the greatest cricketers of all time and the biggest celebrity in Pakistan before he entered politics, while Modi was selling tea on roads. Who do you think had to beat more odds to get to the top?
 
Inherited positions are rarely, if ever, earned and a lot of the times such leaders are incompetent and undeserving. Leaders who work for their positions or earn them are generally more likely to bring about change and progress.

Had Imran not been a cricketing hero he would have still amounted to much more than Maryam, be it charisma, education (we all know to what lengths daddy dearest went for her) or success. However, the real question is, had Zia not happened, would Nawaz be where he is today? And what future would Maryam, a complete academic failure, have had without daddy's political influence?

Nawaz is a weak man unlike Shehbaz. If the latter was the older brother, PMLN would be in a stronger position today. Shehbaz is more of his father son than Nawaz is, and I believe Maryam is more similar to her uncle and grandfather than her father.
 
Let me explain with an example.

If both I and Wasim Akram decide to form political parties, who would be more likely to become the PM of Pakistan one day and why? Who do you think will have to overcome more challenges and obstacles and find it harder to gather people?

You will understand my point when you answer my question.


wasim akram became a great sportsman despite diabetes. with sheer passion and hard work. long net sessions, and training, both physical and mental.

Of course he would be more likely to be PM (compared to you), as to be a successful politician, you have to show passion, hard-work and commitment , which is something that you need to do to be considered great in your profession, be it sports or in any field.

These traits are more likely to be found in him, than you
 
wasim akram became a great sportsman despite diabetes. with sheer passion and hard work. long net sessions, and training, both physical and mental.

Of course he would be more likely to be PM (compared to you), as to be a successful politician, you have to show passion, hard-work and commitment , which is something that you need to do to be considered great in your profession, be it sports or in any field.

These traits are more likely to be found in him, than you

Here in the UK we have the Mayor of London and the Chancellor of the Exchequer both of Pakistan heritage and both the sons of Bus drivers.

The first ever female Prime Minister was the daughter of a local north London butcher.

The reason Pakistan is different is because it was run by the mafias and its institutions were/are corrupt.
Imran Khan broke the chain not only because he was a successful sportsman but because he dedicated 22 years of his life raising money for charity and building a political party from nothing.

It's unfortunate that corrupt people will always try and make excuses.
The is a reason why I have blocked that particular person. I don't want to waste time on corrupt traitors.
 
Sporting success cannot be achieved by hardwork alone. If you don't have the natural ability, you can work harder than Imran but you will not becoming a legendary cricketer. There is no doubt that Imran worked very hard, but he was also blessed by the Almighty with immense talent for the game. He has cashed his success as a cricketer in his later endeavours, which he would not have been able to achieve without his legacy as a cricketer.

As you mentioned, Imran worked really hard for his success as a cricketer. He is the only fast bowler in the history of the game to have remodelled his bowling action and start from scratch in order to become a tear away fast bowler. That alone tells us about his hard work and mental fortitude. He earned the advantages he is getting as a politician not just on the cricket field but also as a social worker. Otherwise the likes of Tendulkar who is a bigger star in India would also have cashed in on his popularity and become a PM. Infact tendulkar was nominated as a member of parliament by Indian president but he couldnt utilize the platform. Some people just work harder than others and Imran did just that.

Talking about natural ability, everybody has some of it in his own way. Just like Imran had cricketing talent, Modi has a natural talent of good public speaking and swaying the emotions of the crowd. Would you hold it against Modi and say that if he didnt have this gift, he would have not been so successful? I think its not a logical thing to say in either Imran's or Modi's case.

It is fine to criticise Modi's ideology and policies but it doesn't explain his journey from being a tea-seller in a country like India (there are probably a million tea-sellers) and becoming the PM of 1.3 billion people. You can criticise him form butchering Muslims, but that doesn't dampen his remarkable journey from selling tea to becoming the CM Gujrat. He did not inherit a political family, he was not rich and he was not a public figure adored by the country. He literally worked his way from the streets to the top, and that is incredible.

I dont know how familiar you are with Indian politics but examples like Modi are quite common in Indian political circles because in India, the ability or qualification of a politician is not important at all. What is important is how popular he/she is. Many top ranked politicians are illiterates who belong to really humble backgrounds but they arw successful because they could mobilize people to vote for them on basis of caste and other factors. Its barely ever on merit. Look at the likes of Mayawati, Yogi, Sadhvi pragya, Amit Shah etc. Half of them are illiterates or have murder/terrorism charges against them.

Modi was just the :

1) right person with a right history (gujrat massacre of muslims)

2) at the right time (Congress declining after 10 years of power, anti-incumbency, accused of muslim appeasement against hindu majority, not acting for building of Ram mandir on Babri masjid site etc.).

Modi fit the bill perfectly while congress didnt have any leader as an answer to this saviour of hindus. Modi barely worked hard to get where he is, he was just the right man for an already established party. Imran, on the other hand created a party from scratch and broke through the two party system defying Duverger's law which is an unmatched event in the history of subcontinent and Pakistan. There is only one winner here no matter which angle you look from.
 
As you mentioned, Imran worked really hard for his success as a cricketer. He is the only fast bowler in the history of the game to have remodelled his bowling action and start from scratch in order to become a tear away fast bowler. That alone tells us about his hard work and mental fortitude. He earned the advantages he is getting as a politician not just on the cricket field but also as a social worker. Otherwise the likes of Tendulkar who is a bigger star in India would also have cashed in on his popularity and become a PM. Infact tendulkar was nominated as a member of parliament by Indian president but he couldnt utilize the platform. Some people just work harder than others and Imran did just that.

Talking about natural ability, everybody has some of it in his own way. Just like Imran had cricketing talent, Modi has a natural talent of good public speaking and swaying the emotions of the crowd. Would you hold it against Modi and say that if he didnt have this gift, he would have not been so successful? I think its not a logical thing to say in either Imran's or Modi's case.



I dont know how familiar you are with Indian politics but examples like Modi are quite common in Indian political circles because in India, the ability or qualification of a politician is not important at all. What is important is how popular he/she is. Many top ranked politicians are illiterates who belong to really humble backgrounds but they arw successful because they could mobilize people to vote for them on basis of caste and other factors. Its barely ever on merit. Look at the likes of Mayawati, Yogi, Sadhvi pragya, Amit Shah etc. Half of them are illiterates or have murder/terrorism charges against them.

Modi was just the :

1) right person with a right history (gujrat massacre of muslims)

2) at the right time (Congress declining after 10 years of power, anti-incumbency, accused of muslim appeasement against hindu majority, not acting for building of Ram mandir on Babri masjid site etc.).

Modi fit the bill perfectly while congress didnt have any leader as an answer to this saviour of hindus. Modi barely worked hard to get where he is, he was just the right man for an already established party. Imran, on the other hand created a party from scratch and broke through the two party system defying Duverger's law which is an unmatched event in the history of subcontinent and Pakistan. There is only one winner here no matter which angle you look from.

What is the definition of illiterates according to you?
 
as you mentioned, imran worked really hard for his success as a cricketer. He is the only fast bowler in the history of the game to have remodelled his bowling action and start from scratch in order to become a tear away fast bowler. That alone tells us about his hard work and mental fortitude. He earned the advantages he is getting as a politician not just on the cricket field but also as a social worker. Otherwise the likes of tendulkar who is a bigger star in india would also have cashed in on his popularity and become a pm. Infact tendulkar was nominated as a member of parliament by indian president but he couldnt utilize the platform. Some people just work harder than others and imran did just that.

Talking about natural ability, everybody has some of it in his own way. Just like imran had cricketing talent, modi has a natural talent of good public speaking and swaying the emotions of the crowd. Would you hold it against modi and say that if he didnt have this gift, he would have not been so successful? I think its not a logical thing to say in either imran's or modi's case.



I dont know how familiar you are with indian politics but examples like modi are quite common in indian political circles because in india, the ability or qualification of a politician is not important at all. What is important is how popular he/she is. Many top ranked politicians are illiterates who belong to really humble backgrounds but they arw successful because they could mobilize people to vote for them on basis of caste and other factors. Its barely ever on merit. Look at the likes of mayawati, yogi, sadhvi pragya, amit shah etc. Half of them are illiterates or have murder/terrorism charges against them.

Modi was just the :

1) right person with a right history (gujrat massacre of muslims)

2) at the right time (congress declining after 10 years of power, anti-incumbency, accused of muslim appeasement against hindu majority, not acting for building of ram mandir on babri masjid site etc.).

Modi fit the bill perfectly while congress didnt have any leader as an answer to this saviour of hindus. Modi barely worked hard to get where he is, he was just the right man for an already established party. Imran, on the other hand created a party from scratch and broke through the two party system defying duverger's law which is an unmatched event in the history of subcontinent and pakistan. There is only one winner here no matter which angle you look from.

streanh....... :d
 
wasim akram became a great sportsman despite diabetes. with sheer passion and hard work. long net sessions, and training, both physical and mental.

Of course he would be more likely to be PM (compared to you), as to be a successful politician, you have to show passion, hard-work and commitment , which is something that you need to do to be considered great in your profession, be it sports or in any field.

These traits are more likely to be found in him, than you

Wasim Akram will never succeed as a politician. He is the type who goes running when the going gets tough. He also cannot continously grinding and will bolt when he does not see immediate results. Look at how he refuses to accept coaching roles beyond a few months and how he jumps from one team to another very quickly. I also get the impression he passes the buck to others and does not take responsibility for failures
 
Wasim Akram will never succeed as a politician. He is the type who goes running when the going gets tough. He also cannot continously grinding and will bolt when he does not see immediate results. Look at how he refuses to accept coaching roles beyond a few months and how he jumps from one team to another very quickly. I also get the impression he passes the buck to others and does not take responsibility for failures

of course.
i am merely explaining why wasim akram would be more likely to be PM than mamoon. which quite easy to understand when he being compared with an imbecile.
 
I am comparing their journeys to the top. Imran was one of the greatest cricketers of all time and the biggest celebrity in Pakistan before he entered politics, while Modi was selling tea on roads. Who do you think had to beat more odds to get to the top?

If a political journey is all about popularity and celebratory status, then why did IK not win the election the first time round?

You need to read a few history books. There's more evidence of a fascist/racist/extremist becoming a leader, compared to a sportsman becoming a leader. Modi rode the wave of corruption and hate, where IK is the complete opposite. The question you should be asking is what are the odds of an honest man becoming a leader of their country?

Though remind me, why did you vote for IK/PTI?
 
After 2 days she is back to anti establishment mode check her latest tweets :)) yeh aakhir chahti kia he?
 
wasim akram became a great sportsman despite diabetes. with sheer passion and hard work. long net sessions, and training, both physical and mental.

Of course he would be more likely to be PM (compared to you), as to be a successful politician, you have to show passion, hard-work and commitment , which is something that you need to do to be considered great in your profession, be it sports or in any field.

These traits are more likely to be found in him, than you

No.

Even if I work 10 times harder than Wasim with more dedication and passion, the chances of him becoming a PM will be far greater because he is a huge celebrity with a massive fan following. Thus, he has a big advantage over someone like me because he is Wasim Akram.

Imran has not performed a miracle by becoming a PM. Sure he had a long journey, but his status because of his success in cricket has helped him immensely. Hard work alone will not take you anywhere in the world of sports and politics.
 
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Imran changed his action to transform from a trundler into a fearsome pacer, but the point is that he had the ability to do so. Not every bowler has the talent to become a speedster after changing his action.

If he didn’t have the ability to become a world class cricketer his hard work would not have mattered in the end. He deserves credit for working hard, but he was lucky (like every international cricketer) for having immense talent.

Also, comparing Modi’s public speaking talent to Imran’s cricket talent makes no sense. In fact, public speaking isn’t even a talent - it is a skill that can be acquired by anyone who is not suffering from speech disorders.

You need to learn what to say and whom to address, and anyone can do it with good planning. However, you cannot develop talent for cricket simply by working hard.

India is a strong and true democracy and of course there are other examples of people who have made it big in politics after starting at the lowest rung of society, but that does not mean that Modi does not deserve credit from selling tea in the streets to become the PM of India.

Tendulkar is not a leader by any means but since he is immensely popular, even he would win a couple of elections if he becomes a politician. However, without his status as a god of Indian cricket, he would have been a nobody in politics.

I am sorry but I cannot agree with you that Imran had to face more odds when it came to becoming the PM. He didn’t start from scratch; he was the most popular celebrity in Pakistan when he launched his party. Starting from scratch would be someone like you and me forming a party.
 
Nawaz is a weak man unlike Shehbaz. If the latter was the older brother, PMLN would be in a stronger position today. Shehbaz is more of his father son than Nawaz is, and I believe Maryam is more similar to her uncle and grandfather than her father.

Doesn't really address my questions. Also if Shahbaz is so strong, why was he willing to live in his brother's shadow his entire life? How is she similar? And what qualities does she have that make her fit to lead a country?
 
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