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We're resting our main players. The batting actually looks pretty decent with duds like Sarfraz shelved somewhere.

Bowling looks very very light, almost a joke. But remember this is just a one off, when the real bowlers return this will look a good squad.

If Imam continues to fail and Shan succeeds here, we will have Fakhar-Shan at the top, Haris back in the mix, and Umar Akmal in there too. Will be a formidable batting line-up.

So I'm not worried about this game or series. If we win, cool, if we lose, also cool.
 
Losing is never good but there was no need to test Yasir he's already played plenty of matches Abbas you can understand but his pace won't work without any swing or seam in ODIs.
 
The results of this and the England series are entirely irrelevant. It's the equivalent of international friendlies in football.

What matters is for our players to gain form and fitness, and for the reserve players to put their hands up for selection.
 
Fakhar-Shan at top.
Let me stop you right there.

That is not happening.
 
The results of this and the England series are entirely irrelevant. It's the equivalent of international friendlies in football.

What matters is for our players to gain form and fitness, and for the reserve players to put their hands up for selection.

The results of the eng series are TOTALLY relevant. It'll show our TRUE chances at the wc.
 
Well atleast today's match showed how garbage of a captain Malik is, and how Inzi is even worse as chief selector. Only one spinner in the squad and that to Yasir Shah who has failed in LOI for a decade.



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Warm up games to experiment but against England in England the best XI should be played as much as possible and it will be nice to win a couple of matches for confidence.
 
Reserve players or not the same pathetic dot ball eating snail like batting is still aparent, that wont change as 1st choices player baring fakhar are the same.
 
Well atleast today's match showed how garbage of a captain Malik is, and how Inzi is even worse as chief selector. Only one spinner in the squad and that to Yasir Shah who has failed in LOI for a decade.



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Malik is bad, Sarfraz is the worst.

There's a reason nobody wanted him in the PSL teams as captain.
 
Malik is bad, Sarfraz is the worst.

There's a reason nobody wanted him in the PSL teams as captain.

Oh hello uncle which world you living in:


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Oh hello uncle which world you living in:
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I'm talking about the official and Cricinfo teams.

QG would have done way better if Sarf wasn't wasting a spot in the team. Only makes their batting weak.
 
Winning games is good for confidence and morale. So results are important. This squad that has been selected is very poor. Yasir the only specalist spinner and he is trash in LO. Imam,Shan,and Abid Ali are similar type players.

Truly a wasted series. I hope we can win the series but I am not confident going into the world cup.
 
Based on today's performance, it seems the Pakistani players aren't taking it too seriously either.

Absolutely awful performance.
 
Based on today's performance, it seems the Pakistani players aren't taking it too seriously either.

Absolutely awful performance.

Seem most players with bat (barring akmal) were playing for themselves, trying to score runs at snails pace rather than the teams cause.
 
Seem most players with bat (barring akmal) were playing for themselves, trying to score runs at snails pace rather than the teams cause.

I thought I was watching a benefit match.

Lethargic, no plan, lazy and a lack of effort.
 
When most teams select squads , they have a plan and reasons as to why they select players. With Pakistan it just seems to be select 15 players and hope for the best. Can someone explain why 6 pacers have been selected and 1 specialist in the UAE? Why have Shan and Abid Ali both been selected? ODI batting at the top of the order is about timing the ball into gaps. Don't think Shan and Abid Ali are that type of player.
 
I think there should be some concern with the way the bowlers bowled today. The likes of Yasir, Abbas, Amir looked completely toothless. If anything today's performance only compounds the question marks on Amir's place in the WC squad, there's a good chance he won't make the cut.
 
I thought I was watching a benefit match.

Lethargic, no plan, lazy and a lack of effort.

Looks like this will be a going through the motions series for pakistan players with fringe players selfishly trying to squeeze into final 15 for WC. No planning or thought has been put into squad once again for ODI series.

Definatley played like a charity game.
 
Wait, aren't Australia also resting their main players? Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins all missing...
 
Pak need to call in an extra spinner if they can considering its a home series, Imad and Yasir are not enough for 5 matches and that too in UAE. There should have been atleast 3 in the squad to start with. Not sure Mickey will think on those terms though.
 
Pak need to call in an extra spinner if they can considering its a home series, Imad and Yasir are not enough for 5 matches and that too in UAE. There should have been atleast 3 in the squad to start with. Not sure Mickey will think on those terms though.

Is that allowed?
 
Not sure what this mean.."don't take the series too serious"? If we lose it 'll go down in history books as series lost which is not good. It doesn't matter we resting players or not, what Mickey promised when he came in charge was to build a team and a bench.

Its time to test the bench Mickey didn't give the best top of line playing 11 so far and bench lets not go there. On top of that choosing a oldie as captain tells the mindset of the management.. pathetic to say the least..:misbah3
 
A lot of people were calling for Malik to replace Sarfaraz. I have not seen a worst team spirit than this before. Under Malik, team looks awful. Just like Multan Sultans.
 
Is that allowed?

I am not sure to be honest but, considering its our home series there might be some relaxation. However its even futile to discuss considering how much Mickey is fond of pace bowling in every condition.
 
Let's be honest with ourselves. This team is setting new lows since CT. With full strength team, they lost similarly to India in Asia cup. Fakhar has been terrible in the UAE in his entire career and Babar's slow innings have not changed many games. Sarfraz is worse than tailenders. Shadab is not even international standard spinner. It is not like this team is badly missing some world beaters. You play full strength team and the result will be similar.
 
Let's be honest with ourselves. This team is setting new lows since CT. With full strength team, they lost similarly to India in Asia cup. Fakhar has been terrible in the UAE in his entire career and Babar's slow innings have not changed many games. Sarfraz is worse than tailenders. Shadab is not even international standard spinner. It is not like this team is badly missing some world beaters. You play full strength team and the result will be similar.

This is exactly what i was thinking. It's not like we have wasim akrams or virat kohlis on the bench that we're saying this is our pak z team.
We could have won this with our proper bowling lineup but considering aus' form it wouldn't have been easy
 
Malik is bad, Sarfraz is the worst.

There's a reason nobody wanted him in the PSL teams as captain.

Another intentional lie / misinformed post by you as usual against Sarfraz.

Karachi Kings wanted Sarfraz to be their captain but he refused due to his long association with Nadeem Omer, Azam Khan and Moin Khan.
 
Back to back hammerings will shatter what brittle confidence this side have. England especially will look to win every game convincingly and I think they will. They have not forgotten Champions Trophy 2016 semi final.
 
I think there should be some concern with the way the bowlers bowled today. The likes of Yasir, Abbas, Amir looked completely toothless. If anything today's performance only compounds the question marks on Amir's place in the WC squad, there's a good chance he won't make the cut.

Regardless of performance which at the moment is zilch; being the golden boy and the second coming of Malcolm Marshall according to some fans, Amir will be on that plane to the WC.
 
I thought I was watching a benefit match.

Lethargic, no plan, lazy and a lack of effort.

This is what happens when you have an uninspiring captain like Malik. We used to play the same way under Misbah. These guys need a constant dhakka to keep them on their toes.

And then people have a problem with Sarfraz's yelling and shouting! It is NEEDED for such a lazy bunch otherwise they will remain in their comfort zones throughout.
 
Back to back hammerings will shatter what brittle confidence this side have. England especially will look to win every game convincingly and I think they will. They have not forgotten Champions Trophy 2016 semi final.

Half this side won't be starting in the WC.
 
why not? its better than Fakhar-Imam pair. Although what Pakistan really need is Fakhar-Sharjeel pair.

For any xyz pair without Imam,you will have to wait till Inzi's tenure ends.
 
Oh hello uncle which world you living in:


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Malik is terrible.

However Sarfraz isn't far off.

When things are going well, he is amazing.

But when things aren't going his way as in NZ series or Asia Cup, he is just as every bit lost as Malik or any other Pakistani captain
 
So 2nd string are playing and we should ignore the lame performances :facepalm:

Its not as though we have be doing well with 1st x1. Asia cup, NZ series and other pathetic efforts.
 
The positives for Pakistan is that the trash is selected early and exposed before the World Cup. Because of how stupid our management is, this is actually good for us. For all we know, they could've been selected for the World Cup for their "experience."
 
Another intentional lie / misinformed post by you as usual against Sarfraz.

Karachi Kings wanted Sarfraz to be their captain but he refused due to his long association with Nadeem Omer, Azam Khan and Moin Khan.

Why do you love sarfraz so much? I'm curious. It's not like he is some legend - in the history of Pakistan cricket, he's just another "regular" or average player.
 
The positives for Pakistan is that the trash is selected early and exposed before the World Cup. Because of how stupid our management is, this is actually good for us. For all we know, they could've been selected for the World Cup for their "experience."
Exactly. I am not sad with this loss
 
Its clear for 1st X1 when they play there are no game plans, we looked clueless in SA series most of time. This series should have been used to work on game plans, instead usually TTFs and poor game plans will be used in world cup.
 
Why do you love sarfraz so much? I'm curious. It's not like he is some legend - in the history of Pakistan cricket, he's just another "regular" or average player.

Where have i showed "love" for Sarfraz in this post.
Just pointed Hawkeye that he has made another baseless post (probably an intentional lie).

Btw it depends on person to person how they will remember him. Judging by the crowd who were outside his home after CT win i think he is loved a lot by Pakistanis so he doesnt need to care much about how he will be remembered in history.
 
Pakistani look overloaded in the middle but are so thin at the top! They need to send one of the good, aggressive middle order players to Partner Fakhar up top to make sure they can field a strong batting line up that will score freely.

Babar
Fakhar
Harris
Umar
Malik or Hafeez
Imad
Sarfaraz
Faheem
Proper spinner and please no Shadab or Yasir Shah
Shaheen
Amir
 
Why do you love sarfraz so much? I'm curious. It's not like he is some legend - in the history of Pakistan cricket, he's just another "regular" or average player.

Why would you hate a regular player who has performed well for Pakistan and won championship trophy and now psl as captain , and not forgetting making Pak no 1 T20 team as well.
He is a good keeper and as good a batsman as any in there is in Pak for wicket keeper. Now that every one has seen what we been saying about Rizwan as a batsman, time to move on from hating your nation's captain till we crash out of world cup.
 
Why would you hate a regular player who has performed well for Pakistan and won championship trophy and now psl as captain , and not forgetting making Pak no 1 T20 team as well.
He is a good keeper and as good a batsman as any in there is in Pak for wicket keeper. Now that every one has seen what we been saying about Rizwan as a batsman, time to move on from hating your nation's captain till we crash out of world cup.

Similar lot kept parroting for 2 years that Sarfraz has not much to do with our CT win and was a dummy captain while Shoaib Malik was the main man behind the scenes and taking the decisions and motivating players etc etc and that Pakistan would have won CT if they had any other captain too like Malik.

Now we have seen how Malik is captaining; just 1 series since he became captain and that too against 2nd string SA but still we lost our t20 series after Sarfraz won 11 on the trot.
 
Well atleast today's match showed how garbage of a captain Malik is, and how Inzi is even worse as chief selector. Only one spinner in the squad and that to Yasir Shah who has failed in LOI for a decade.



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Imad Wasim is obviously a fast bowler...

Our fans simply do not understand planning. The World Cup is in England and Shadab is going to be the #1 spinner no matter what. This series and the series in England will be used to figure out which four or five fast bowlers will play in the WC and who is going to bat at #4 and #5 for us.

Akmal won't be batting at #4 for us and Haris probably won't bat at #3 either but it is good that they are both batting at the spots that they are since this will ensure that they get enough batting practice in the middle.
 
The results of this and the England series are entirely irrelevant. It's the equivalent of international friendlies in football.

What matters is for our players to gain form and fitness, and for the reserve players to put their hands up for selection.

X doubt. Games like this are vital in cricket as they show how much prepared you are just before world cup. We get 4 years to prepare for this event and when we are losing series even at the start of another world cup that just shows how much preparation we have made.

This series is once again exposing Pakistan's old stayle of batting. 280 was the best Pakistan could put on this wicket which was chased down just shows we are still behind in terms of modern day batting requirements. This was always going to be a 320 pitch but when you have likes of Imam and Shan and Harris in the top order you are not going to get big totals.
 
The positives for Pakistan is that the trash is selected early and exposed before the World Cup. Because of how stupid our management is, this is actually good for us. For all we know, they could've been selected for the World Cup for their "experience."
Lol. Imam, Shan and Amir will still make the world cup squad.
And Abbas Yasir were just filling the space in the ODIs. They were never good for limited overs cricket.
 
Let's be honest with ourselves. This team is setting new lows since CT. With full strength team, they lost similarly to India in Asia cup. Fakhar has been terrible in the UAE in his entire career and Babar's slow innings have not changed many games. Sarfraz is worse than tailenders. Shadab is not even international standard spinner. It is not like this team is badly missing some world beaters. You play full strength team and the result will be similar.

Exactly. Only positive has been UA and Harris too but problem with Harris is we already have too many accumulators taking their spot in the batting. Imam,Baber, Malik, Sarfraz and Hafeez too some extent.
 
Why does Amir keep getting chances?? He simply plays on reputation. His performance is always zero.

It is extremely disheartening seeing him putting no effort and just bowling 130kph half trackers. His body language always looks defeated. He looks tired all the time, physical and mentally.
 
We got whitewashed by Aus last time, got thrashed in Asia Cup including Bangladesh, and lost 3-2 to SA this year.

And people think this series doesn’t show Pak’s ability? The optimism is baffling.
The result would be the same even with Our so called best players like Fakhar, Sarfraz, Shadab playing. Pak just doesnt have the ability to score quickly.
 
Why would you hate a regular player who has performed well for Pakistan and won championship trophy and now psl as captain , and not forgetting making Pak no 1 T20 team as well.
He is a good keeper and as good a batsman as any in there is in Pak for wicket keeper. Now that every one has seen what we been saying about Rizwan as a batsman, time to move on from hating your nation's captain till we crash out of world cup.

How long will he keep getting accolades for the Champions Trophy to prove he is a great captain?

2027?

Ballpark figure.
 
People are saying as if our rested players are world beaters. Fakhar is a mediocre batsman. Sarfaraz has been out of form for two years. Shabad is a club-level cricketer.

Yesterday’s team was equally mediocre as our actual team.
 
Our first team players are not world beaters, but they are better than what's available here. When you yank seven players from your team, expect a few rude shocks.

Australia is not some associate level side that will roll-over to our bench strength, specially with the lethargic approach shown by our players in the match.
 
We are minnow basher if we take this series seriously or not.
Fakhar is a hack, Babar ODI batting is not better than Haris, Shadab is club level bowler, Hassan is struggling in ODI recently, Sarfraz batting as same as Rizwan the clutch.
Only missing gun is Shaheen.
 
It seems PSL gave some false hopes once again. It is not your fault you are made to believe that your team has the best talent in the world by IPL and PSL fans. They overhype cricketers like Talat and Pandya but get a reality check when they are exposed in international cricket.

I am sure most of the fans have already forgotten what happened before PSL. And same will happen with some Indian fans now. They will too forget the ODI series loss against Australia and keep themselves busy with the circus for next 1000 games. :inti
 
Lol. Imam, Shan and Amir will still make the world cup squad.
And Abbas Yasir were just filling the space in the ODIs. They were never good for limited overs cricket.

They why're u using them?? Get someone who's actually on the run of getting a wc berth.
 
Our first team players are not world beaters, but they are better than what's available here. When you yank seven players from your team, expect a few rude shocks.

Australia is not some associate level side that will roll-over to our bench strength, specially with the lethargic approach shown by our players in the match.

Instead of 8 wickets we would have lost by 3-4. That's the only thing.
Amir is in our first xi, imad is, faheem is too. So around 20 overs have been completed already.
 
I thought I was watching a benefit match.

Lethargic, no plan, lazy and a lack of effort.

Agree, the team had no fighting spirit. I mean, i know its the Z squad playing but at least show some fight. The selection for the match was questionable. Its a shock that Amir and Abbas got selected over Junaid and yasir shah is in the playing squad for crying out loud.
 
India, Pakistan seem to be taking the build up rather lightly. Neither of them are sure of their playing XI.

Australia on the other hand has almost locked its team combo and playing evert much like everything is at stake.
 
India, Pakistan seem to be taking the build up rather lightly. Neither of them are sure of their playing XI.

Australia on the other hand has almost locked its team combo and playing evert much like everything is at stake.

I think Pakistan have a lock on for about 13 players, as do India. Both sides are tinkering for squad balance. India in particular have a very settled XI and Pakistan a slightly less settled XI.
 
I think Pakistan have a lock on for about 13 players, as do India. Both sides are tinkering for squad balance. India in particular have a very settled XI and Pakistan a slightly less settled XI.
Our middle order is anything but stable.
There are 2 spots up for grabs.
 
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Shadab
Hasan
Afridi...
...missing.
 
How long will he keep getting accolades for the Champions Trophy to prove he is a great captain?

2027?

Ballpark figure.
I'm really stumped at this question.
Why would you remove this achievement from his CV even after 2027. Fact is that with his energy and tactical moves he won us the CT.
Once a better wicketkeeper batsman emerges like all players he would be sidelined. Or do you still want likes of Rizwan to be our wicket keeper batsman and Malik to be captain ?
I love it when Pak Passioners want A B C removed from the team and replaced by X Y Z just because their face does not fit their idea of a cool cricketer.
There is no hiding from fact that Sarfraz batting has been patch for past two years but he still has managed to produce some classy knocks in between and has more ability then even our so called specialist batsmen. We cannot drop him so close to world cup. So live with it.
 
Australian team is getting into some scary form just before the world cup. All of a sudden, their team looks favorite only behind England for wc
 
Australian team is getting into some scary form just before the world cup. All of a sudden, their team looks favorite only behind England for wc

The bowling is making them look good tougher tests await them in the future.
 
It's hilarious watching PPers get trolled mercilessly by the PCB here :)))

This is a fringe side getting smashed by a team everyone expects to steamroll the opposition in the World Cup. Call it however you want, the fact is Pakistan is missing SEVEN players from their first eleven. SEVEN.

Now, stop crying as our captain in this series isn't interested in winning anyway :sm
 
The emphasis on the rested players is hilarious and reeks of denial. You would think that they have been uprooting trees over the last two years.

Let's take a look at the what the full-strength Pakistan team has achieved in ODIs (against the top teams) post Champions Trophy:

5-0 in New Zealand, 2-0 to India in the Asia Cup, 1-1 draw vs New Zealand in the UAE and 3-2 in South Africa against a weakened opposition. The fact that people are celebrated the 1-1 vs New Zealand, when we were only slight favourites in the third ODI, illustrates how awful we have been.

In 15 matches, we have lost 11 matches against the top sides. That is a losing percentage of 73%, which is very close to my general estimation that we lose to the top teams 8 out of 10 times.

With such a dreadful record, how can we even think of using the "missing players" as an excuse for this Australian series? Our fans are deluded beyond measure and live in a parallel universe.

Let's look at some of the players that we claim would have turned this series on its head with their presence:

Babar - Had he played, Haris probably would have missed out, and the latter has played two typical Babar innings. I am not sure how different the outcome would have been had Babar played in Haris' stead.

Fakhar - a hack who needs all the luck in the world to score against good opposition. I have no doubt in my mind that Australia would have done their homework on him.

Sarfraz - his captaincy has been abysmal in ODIs, and his replacement Rizwan, in only his third or fourth ODI post comeback, has already produced a knock that our great captain is not remotely capable of at this point.

Hafeez - I do feel people underrate him because he is more than good enough for this team, but frankly I don't see him scoring 115 against Australia from the number 4 position.

Shadab - the overrated golden boy has been nothing but a minnow basher, and the less said about his batting the better.

Shaheen - No doubt a very exciting young pacer, but we don't know where he will be in 5 years time. He could be one of the top 5 pacers in the world or a nobody. The point is that he is too young and inexperienced at this point to be considered a decisive player who would regularly make an impact. It is very possible that Australia would have negated him.

Hasan - he has recently picked up some form after a torrid 2018. However, he can be very expensive on his day and hasn't done much in ODIs lately.

Our so-called first-choice attack conceded over 400 runs for 2 wickets against India in the same conditions not long ago, but our fans have the gall to use their absence as an excuse for Australia walking their way to two wins in this series so far.

Our fans are simply too proud and arrogant to acknowledge the simple fact that we are simply not good enough anymore. Whether we play our A team or Z team, the quality is simply not there.

Had this series been played right after the Champions Trophy with our main players getting rested, we could have justified this performance. However, we have been badly exposed in the last 1.5 years for the minnow bashers that we are, and the belief that the Champions Trophy was nothing but a fluke has only been vindicated.
 
The emphasis on the rested players is hilarious and reeks of denial. You would think that they have been uprooting trees over the last two years.

Let's take a look at the what the full-strength Pakistan team has achieved in ODIs (against the top teams) post Champions Trophy:

5-0 in New Zealand, 2-0 to India in the Asia Cup, 1-1 draw vs New Zealand in the UAE and 3-2 in South Africa against a weakened opposition. The fact that people are celebrated the 1-1 vs New Zealand, when we were only slight favourites in the third ODI, illustrates how awful we have been.

In 15 matches, we have lost 11 matches against the top sides. That is a losing percentage of 73%, which is very close to my general estimation that we lose to the top teams 8 out of 10 times.

With such a dreadful record, how can we even think of using the "missing players" as an excuse for this Australian series? Our fans are deluded beyond measure and live in a parallel universe.

Let's look at some of the players that we claim would have turned this series on its head with their presence:

Babar - Had he played, Haris probably would have missed out, and the latter has played two typical Babar innings. I am not sure how different the outcome would have been had Babar played in Haris' stead.

Fakhar - a hack who needs all the luck in the world to score against good opposition. I have no doubt in my mind that Australia would have done their homework on him.

Sarfraz - his captaincy has been abysmal in ODIs, and his replacement Rizwan, in only his third or fourth ODI post comeback, has already produced a knock that our great captain is not remotely capable of at this point.

Hafeez - I do feel people underrate him because he is more than good enough for this team, but frankly I don't see him scoring 115 against Australia from the number 4 position.

Shadab - the overrated golden boy has been nothing but a minnow basher, and the less said about his batting the better.

Shaheen - No doubt a very exciting young pacer, but we don't know where he will be in 5 years time. He could be one of the top 5 pacers in the world or a nobody. The point is that he is too young and inexperienced at this point to be considered a decisive player who would regularly make an impact. It is very possible that Australia would have negated him.

Hasan - he has recently picked up some form after a torrid 2018. However, he can be very expensive on his day and hasn't done much in ODIs lately.

Our so-called first-choice attack conceded over 400 runs for 2 wickets against India in the same conditions not long ago, but our fans have the gall to use their absence as an excuse for Australia walking their way to two wins in this series so far.

Our fans are simply too proud and arrogant to acknowledge the simple fact that we are simply not good enough anymore. Whether we play our A team or Z team, the quality is simply not there.

Had this series been played right after the Champions Trophy with our main players getting rested, we could have justified this performance. However, we have been badly exposed in the last 1.5 years for the minnow bashers that we are, and the belief that the Champions Trophy was nothing but a fluke has only been vindicated.

Mamoon bhai any solution for this mediocre team?
We Pakistani are just too unlucky with over 22 crore population we are not good enough in even 1 sports. I actually become a fan of many Indian crickets such as Kohli, Bumrah, Kuldeep, Dhoni, Pandya, and Pant.
We want to win to celebrate but we are unable what should we do now?
 
The emphasis on the rested players is hilarious and reeks of denial. You would think that they have been uprooting trees over the last two years.

Let's take a look at the what the full-strength Pakistan team has achieved in ODIs (against the top teams) post Champions Trophy:

5-0 in New Zealand, 2-0 to India in the Asia Cup, 1-1 draw vs New Zealand in the UAE and 3-2 in South Africa against a weakened opposition. The fact that people are celebrated the 1-1 vs New Zealand, when we were only slight favourites in the third ODI, illustrates how awful we have been.

In 15 matches, we have lost 11 matches against the top sides. That is a losing percentage of 73%, which is very close to my general estimation that we lose to the top teams 8 out of 10 times.

With such a dreadful record, how can we even think of using the "missing players" as an excuse for this Australian series? Our fans are deluded beyond measure and live in a parallel universe.

Let's look at some of the players that we claim would have turned this series on its head with their presence:

Babar - Had he played, Haris probably would have missed out, and the latter has played two typical Babar innings. I am not sure how different the outcome would have been had Babar played in Haris' stead.

Fakhar - a hack who needs all the luck in the world to score against good opposition. I have no doubt in my mind that Australia would have done their homework on him.

Sarfraz - his captaincy has been abysmal in ODIs, and his replacement Rizwan, in only his third or fourth ODI post comeback, has already produced a knock that our great captain is not remotely capable of at this point.

Hafeez - I do feel people underrate him because he is more than good enough for this team, but frankly I don't see him scoring 115 against Australia from the number 4 position.

Shadab - the overrated golden boy has been nothing but a minnow basher, and the less said about his batting the better.

Shaheen - No doubt a very exciting young pacer, but we don't know where he will be in 5 years time. He could be one of the top 5 pacers in the world or a nobody. The point is that he is too young and inexperienced at this point to be considered a decisive player who would regularly make an impact. It is very possible that Australia would have negated him.

Hasan - he has recently picked up some form after a torrid 2018. However, he can be very expensive on his day and hasn't done much in ODIs lately.

Our so-called first-choice attack conceded over 400 runs for 2 wickets against India in the same conditions not long ago, but our fans have the gall to use their absence as an excuse for Australia walking their way to two wins in this series so far.

Our fans are simply too proud and arrogant to acknowledge the simple fact that we are simply not good enough anymore. Whether we play our A team or Z team, the quality is simply not there.

Had this series been played right after the Champions Trophy with our main players getting rested, we could have justified this performance. However, we have been badly exposed in the last 1.5 years for the minnow bashers that we are, and the belief that the Champions Trophy was nothing but a fluke has only been vindicated.

I will never agree with you in saying that Champions Trophy 2017 was a fluke, that's the dumbest logic I've ever heard from anyone, anywhere. But I do agree with majority of your posts in general, and this one too. We are just not good enough. Shaheen is the only player I think we are really missing, he is superb, even Hasan Ali has been rubbish recently, he had a good PSL but other than that his international form has been so poor.
 
The emphasis on the rested players is hilarious and reeks of denial. You would think that they have been uprooting trees over the last two years.

Let's take a look at the what the full-strength Pakistan team has achieved in ODIs (against the top teams) post Champions Trophy:

5-0 in New Zealand, 2-0 to India in the Asia Cup, 1-1 draw vs New Zealand in the UAE and 3-2 in South Africa against a weakened opposition. The fact that people are celebrated the 1-1 vs New Zealand, when we were only slight favourites in the third ODI, illustrates how awful we have been.

In 15 matches, we have lost 11 matches against the top sides. That is a losing percentage of 73%, which is very close to my general estimation that we lose to the top teams 8 out of 10 times.

With such a dreadful record, how can we even think of using the "missing players" as an excuse for this Australian series? Our fans are deluded beyond measure and live in a parallel universe.

Let's look at some of the players that we claim would have turned this series on its head with their presence:

Babar - Had he played, Haris probably would have missed out, and the latter has played two typical Babar innings. I am not sure how different the outcome would have been had Babar played in Haris' stead.

Fakhar - a hack who needs all the luck in the world to score against good opposition. I have no doubt in my mind that Australia would have done their homework on him.

Sarfraz - his captaincy has been abysmal in ODIs, and his replacement Rizwan, in only his third or fourth ODI post comeback, has already produced a knock that our great captain is not remotely capable of at this point.

Hafeez - I do feel people underrate him because he is more than good enough for this team, but frankly I don't see him scoring 115 against Australia from the number 4 position.

Shadab - the overrated golden boy has been nothing but a minnow basher, and the less said about his batting the better.

Shaheen - No doubt a very exciting young pacer, but we don't know where he will be in 5 years time. He could be one of the top 5 pacers in the world or a nobody. The point is that he is too young and inexperienced at this point to be considered a decisive player who would regularly make an impact. It is very possible that Australia would have negated him.

Hasan - he has recently picked up some form after a torrid 2018. However, he can be very expensive on his day and hasn't done much in ODIs lately.

Our so-called first-choice attack conceded over 400 runs for 2 wickets against India in the same conditions not long ago, but our fans have the gall to use their absence as an excuse for Australia walking their way to two wins in this series so far.

Our fans are simply too proud and arrogant to acknowledge the simple fact that we are simply not good enough anymore. Whether we play our A team or Z team, the quality is simply not there.

Had this series been played right after the Champions Trophy with our main players getting rested, we could have justified this performance. However, we have been badly exposed in the last 1.5 years for the minnow bashers that we are, and the belief that the Champions Trophy was nothing but a fluke has only been vindicated.

To add to your point, this is not even Australian B team. Getting demolished by a team which does not have Warner, Smith, Head, Mitchell Marsh, Starc, Hazlewood, and Cummins is nothing but shameful.
 
Mamoon bhai any solution for this mediocre team?
We Pakistani are just too unlucky with over 22 crore population we are not good enough in even 1 sports. I actually become a fan of many Indian crickets such as Kohli, Bumrah, Kuldeep, Dhoni, Pandya, and Pant.
We want to win to celebrate but we are unable what should we do now?

Of course there are solutions. However, there is no short-term fix. We are a cricket crazy nation with a population of 200 million and we should be a cricket superpower. Simply changing coaches and selectors will not change anything - our cricket culture is rotten to the core and we have to change the mindset of our cricketers.

For starters, we need to adopt a batting culture. Yes we have a very proud history of fast bowling, but in modern cricket, teams with the best batting lineups will always prevail.

We also need to promote school cricket to attract the upper and upper middle-class to the game as well, which will not only widen our talent pool but also help us produce cricketers with big personalities.

When it comes to domestic cricket, we have to find a way to produce roads. Our F/C cricket is embarrassing where teams limp to score 200 and 75 mph trundlers take heaps of wickets. We need to produce pitches where 600+ scores are frequently accumulated and batsmen develop the habit of scoring big.

Batting for hours in the nets does not build temperament, but batting for two days in the heat of Karachi and Lahore does. I always give example of Karun Nair, who scored a triple hundred against England in only his second Test. This innings exemplifies the development of batsmen in the Indian domestic cricket.

Even after playing international cricket for a decade, our batsmen have inferior temperament and concentration compared to Indian domestic batsmen. This is simply an outcome of our weak batting culture. Things can change for sure, but it will take a long, long time to reverse the damage that has been done over the past three decades.
 
To add to your point, this is not even Australian B team. Getting demolished by a team which does not have Warner, Smith, Head, Mitchell Marsh, Starc, Hazlewood, and Cummins is nothing but shameful.

Likes of Head and Mitch Marsh have equal or better players playing ahead of them.Cummins is already in the squad. For him to play Richardson or Stonis would have to be left out. Listed absent players for Australia even though all cannot be played at once and have to replace some good players in this team. So what about the 7 regular players missing in Pak squad?
Only deluded posters would think that Fakhar,Babar, Shadab, Hasan Ali and Shaheen Shah would not boost this team. We performed very well against NZ in UAE and only rain lost us the chance of winning the series. Even against SA we were winning the series again rain ruined our chances and we lost Sarfraz as a captain and much better batsman than Rizwan. This Australia B team beat India in their own tailored made pitches home.
I have no hope for Pak in the world cup but does not mean all Pak players are rubbish.
 
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