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ECB decide to withdraw both teams from the October trip to Pakistan

JaDed said:
Everyone had a meltdown when Nz did it.. with England it is “ expected” , also MI6 has a mind of its own.
Not everything is US’s fault(this could be but not everything).
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? I just said they are all in the same camp and serve the same master. I wouldn't blame Australia for not coming either now. Doesn't mean I or most other posters on this board are Australian.

Also, if you try to look at history objectively you will find out that almost everything that has happened in the Post World War II world is the US' s fault. From the start of the Cold War to Vietnam to the Middle East and the rise of terrorism. That's why the US is despised in every part of the world as an imperialist hegemon, expect in India I guess where they have fooled you all into thinking that you are an 'ally' of theirs.
 
Major said:
I wonder who will the pakistanis now support when it comes to the 2019 world cup winner
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There wasn't a winner. I mean if you had two teams you dislike, 2019 WC final is exactly how you would like it to unfold. ICC looked foolish.

Nevertheless whats going on can be termed as Revenge of 92 on Pakistan :root:bm
 
It would take a strong leadership from the top to steer our cricket from here. I don't think Ramiz has it what it takes.

Uncertain times coming. It's not just NZ, England and Aus. SA, SL and WI might also think twice or refuse playing in Pakistan. Even though nothing bad happened(in terms of lives lost), but this has set our cricket back 4 5 years back again without anything happening apparently.

If we back out of playing in an ICC tournament, we might get exiled for the future as well. If we burn our bridges with Eng, it will be a big big blow for our cricket, way bigger than just not playing Eng. County contracts, club cricket exposure etc will all decrease that way. In addition, that would only isolate Pak to play with Zim, Ban, WI and SL and SA which certainly won't be sustainable for us.

NZ cricket definitely needs a payback, and we can survive without playing them(that's my emotions atm). Think we need to rejig our home fixtures calendar.
 
dildilpak said:
And who loses the most in that scenario? Will it really matter to England or NZ if they dont play against Pakistan? Its the Pakistani players & team whose development will suffer if they dont play against the Big 4.

Ramiz Raza is right. Instead of boycotting the Big 4, lets take every opportunity we get to beat the Big 4 soundly. Thats when they will be forced to play us on our terms.
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Thats very simplistic and does not boil down to Cricket and the players alone. Pakistan won the T-20 WC in 2009 and the CT in 2017, it still did not end the cricketing boycott of Pakistan. Our team has not been consistent enough. The lack of proactiveness by the PCB administration from 2009 to 2014 has also been a problem.

I believe ruthless promotion of the PSL and aggressive searching for investors in China, Arab states, America is the way to go.
 
It's a shame, it will be so Pakistan cricket that we will be pumped up and win the T20 World Cup as an act of resilience and revenge to rest of the cricket world.

But with the squad that has been picked, that is not going to happen.
 
We shouldn’t play England or New Zealand for the foreseeable future. These gora nations are a bunch of spineless cowards.
 
The way PCB could have handled this is instead of blaming Nzl, they should have taken the initiative and cancelled the English tour themselves and then work with the govt to show some credible proof that there are no terror threats in Pakistan and then hosted a grand series some what like the jeet lo Dil in 2003-2004.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
It would take a strong leadership from the top to steer our cricket from here. I don't think Ramiz has it what it takes.

Uncertain times coming. It's not just NZ, England and Aus. SA, SL and WI might also think twice or refuse playing in Pakistan. Even though nothing bad happened(in terms of lives lost), but this has set our cricket back 4 5 years back again without anything happening apparently.

If we back out of playing in an ICC tournament, we might get exiled for the future as well. If we burn our bridges with Eng, it will be a big big blow for our cricket, way bigger than just not playing Eng. County contracts, club cricket exposure etc will all decrease that way. In addition, that would only isolate Pak to play with Zim, Ban, WI and SL and SA which certainly won't be sustainable for us.

NZ cricket definitely needs a payback, and we can survive without playing them(that's my emotions atm). Think we need to rejig our home fixtures calendar.
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Oh NZ definately needs to pay for this. Don't blame ECB or Cricket Australia. But NZ needs to be held to account and be made to prove their intelligence reports, its authenticity or be forced to pay up the damages incurred by the PCB
 
Concerned said:
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“A wake up call for Pak team to become the best team in the world for teams to line up to play them without making excuses”

Ramiz Raja
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Pakistan winning the WT20 in 2009 and CT in 2017 did not help did it?

Problem is not that Pakistan is not a competitive team, it is just that Pakistan might not be considered safe by many. And the mere fact that presidential level security needs to be provided tells you a story.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Even if one were to accept your argument, that still does not excuse New Zealand from sharing the nature of the threat after they left the country. The fact that they didn't shows a callous disregard from them for the people of Pakistan. Either that, or they were lying. You decide.
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It was stated that the threat was specifically against the team.
 
Jeetlodil said:
There wasn't a winner. I mean if you had two teams you dislike, 2019 WC final is exactly how you would like it to unfold. ICC looked foolish.

Nevertheless whats going on can be termed as Revenge of 92 on Pakistan :root:bm
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Funnily enough the other semifinal teams were Australia and India , so really interesting who Pak fans would have supported in hindsight after the early stages were done :)
 
Savak said:
Oh NZ definately needs to pay for this. Don't blame ECB or Cricket Australia. But NZ needs to be held to account and be made to prove their intelligence reports, its authenticity or be forced to pay up the damages incurred by the PCB
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I can see it now, NZCB gives this request to their government and their reply to IK is due to safety, they cannot reveal their source(s)! Closed and cries of public enquiry will fall on deaf ears
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
? I just said they are all in the same camp and serve the same master. I wouldn't blame Australia for not coming either now. Doesn't mean I or most other posters on this board are Australian.

Also, if you try to look at history objectively you will find out that almost everything that has happened in the Post World War II world is the US' s fault. From the start of the Cold War to Vietnam to the Middle East and the rise of terrorism. That's why the US is despised in every part of the world as an imperialist hegemon, expect in India I guess where they have fooled you all into thinking that you are an 'ally' of theirs.
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Lol please don’t give a lecture to who is India’s ally , we clearly know who bank on there ,is a reason why we keep friendship (defense) with France, Israel over the five eyes.
 
Sad sad day for pakistan cricket. Being born and bread British I'm ashamed of the actions of the ecb. Pakistan toured during the absolute peak of the pandemic with uk having having the worse of deaths, and infections and still toured when ecb came calling in desperate times.
 
Local.Dada said:
Ok let’s put this into perspective

Pakistan has issues with India, USA,France,Israel and now GB and Nzl and by that account probably Australia too. The Arabs are close with Modi and gave him their highest honor.

That’s pretty much whos who of the geo politics scene

Sure Pakistan has their friendly countries too but instead of being victim why isn’t there any self introspection?

Also it is easy to sit behind a keyboard and call someone wimps for backing out from a bomb threat, how many of us would go to work even if there was a hoax with even maybe 0.1% chance of it being real?
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I know you love the US and would like nothing more than to get a green card. But nothing I said is factually incorrect. The US is an imperialist hegemon that can single-handedly be blamed for almost everything bad that has happened since the end of World War II. Whether its the start of the Cold War, the Vietnam War, the destruction and annihilation of the Middle East or the rise of terrorism.

I don't even know why you brought Pakistan into it. Because I never even mentioned Pakistan from a geo-political perspective.

Also, since you are making that analogy. Let me ask you this, if you were at a friend's house and someone threatened to kill you, would you simply run away or would you alert the authorities that a killer is on the loose and while you may not be at risk any more, others can be.

Either New Zealand is lying or they were stupid enough to believe bad, politically motivated intelligence or they were in on it.

Either way they can go to hell as far as I am concerned.
 
Waq said:
I’m also gutted but blaming NZCB will do us no favours. They have to listen to their security advisors and government and we need to move on from the unilateral decision narrative.

Whether it’s a hoax or not, the world and its diplomats views human life more important then a cricket series.
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NZ security will be the last person to comment on security situation in Pakistan. We fought well and now we're a peaceful country. Tourism is prevailing and we're in the list of best destinations to travel in 2021.

Many of the travel vloggers are putting videos on YouTube as well.

Many other countries played cricket here as well including the PSL where many foreigners were here (cricketers, commentators) with same security. Nobody faced any issue.

This is all politics and nothing else
 
JaDed said:
Everyone had a meltdown when Nz did it.. with England it is “ expected” , also MI6 has a mind of its own.
Not everything is US’s fault(this could be but not everything).
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Yeah NZC being made a scapegoat for this as well. It's just luck that the NZ series was scheduled ahead of the England series. They have the same security consultant -ESI Risk - and there's a very strong chance they would have come to this conclusion on their own . NZ seems to be a soft target.
 
Concerned said:
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“A wake up call for Pak team to become the best team in the world for teams to line up to play them without making excuses”

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Ramiz the idiot needs to realize that he is no longer a YT pundit and commentator, he is the PCB Chairman now, it is his job to lead and find a solution. This talk about Pakistan becoming the best is just talk, how to go about it? The reason why the Big 4-5 have been much better than Pakistan is the amount of funds they have at their disposal to invest in their domestic structure, coaches, players, player development programs, grounds, pitches, facilities e.t.c.

Can you realistically expect the Pakistani domestic system to produce talent and quality without all this? He needs to Shut up and get working on finding investment in Pakistan Cricket
 
It was to be expected. NZL gov most probably got the intel from UK since they neither have SigInt capabilities nor Human Intelligence in the region.

Pakistan cannot go back to holding series in neutral venues for select countries while insisting the likes of SL/SA/WI show up in Pakistan to play. That would be a huge insult to those who have supported us.

All Pakistan can do is share the security plan with the touring teams, allay any issues they have and move on. If the teams do not want to come, it is what it is. Let's see how ICC handles it with respect to points allocation.

Pakistan also needs to raise its standard, does not help that you are at the bottom of the leaderboard.
 
I am actually bit surprised by ECBs decision. After everything Pakistan did for them last year i.e travelling to UK in the teeth of covid, hard quarintine in Travelodge for a month etc.....England could have travelled for just 2 T20s.

2 T20s meaning staying in the country for a night. I dont see it as a major issue.

ECB should have atleast send their men's team if not womens.

Not sure why posters here are not angry on ECB. Atleast NZC had a reason...for England it was more straight forward.
 
Manunited18 said:
Sad sad day for pakistan cricket. Being born and bread British I'm ashamed of the actions of the ecb. Pakistan toured during the absolute peak of the pandemic with uk having having the worse of deaths, and infections and still toured when ecb came calling in desperate times.
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So as a Britisher you wanted your fellow
Countrymen to travel and play cricket even though their intelligence told them that there were threats?

Obviously Pakistan denies it but you would trust them over your own countries secret service. Great.
 
I think Pakistan should stop playing with NZ, Australia and England to teach them a lesson.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I blame the New Zealand government and I blame New Zealand Cricket. They can go to hell for all I care. They are 100% to blame for this. And I just hope Pakistan behaves as vindictively as it possibly can when the time comes to tour New Zealand.
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Sour grapes or not but i agree...a guy has a webcam on his forhead is shooting people in a mosque for fun when bangladesh team was going to the same mosque if that is not a security breach i dont know what is
 
Local.Dada said:
The way PCB could have handled this is instead of blaming Nzl, they should have taken the initiative and cancelled the English tour themselves and then work with the govt to show some credible proof that there are no terror threats in Pakistan and then hosted a grand series some what like the jeet lo Dil in 2003-2004.
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That would mean that Pakistan accepted that there are security issues. It's up to them to decide and they decided we can just let them know that everything is fine.

The only thing Pakistan can do now is to perform well and become a Cricketing Force.
 
Political, getting beaten & humilated by the Taliban, so they are crying and wont play a game of bat & ball.
 
Maybe this is for Timepass section (but these days we can't draw a line between Cricket related stuff and timepass/geo-politics topics! I wonder how the @mods are handling these issues), but India and USA have a weird and complex relationship. Especially with two contrarian parties in the US (Democrats and Republicans) coming into power alternately, similarly with contrarian parties in India (UPA and NDA) in power in the past two decades. Add to this, the US media (which itself is very biased - either left wing or right wing) also plays a huge role in the diplomatic relations between India and US.

One thing is for sure, at a public level, Indians love US, its culture, movies, capitalism and would give their right leg to get a H1/L1 visa and green card. But at the diplomatic level, US is seen with suspicion. India has a very business like relation with US, it knows that US is never an ally.

RedwoodOriginal said:
? I just said they are all in the same camp and serve the same master. I wouldn't blame Australia for not coming either now. Doesn't mean I or most other posters on this board are Australian.

Also, if you try to look at history objectively you will find out that almost everything that has happened in the Post World War II world is the US' s fault. From the start of the Cold War to Vietnam to the Middle East and the rise of terrorism. That's why the US is despised in every part of the world as an imperialist hegemon, expect in India I guess where they have fooled you all into thinking that you are an 'ally' of theirs.
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No surprise really, but another kick in the teeth for PCB.

What makes it worse is how the ECB is trying to soften the kick in the teeth by saying it's down to Covid19 etc.
 
ritzy_123 said:
NZ security will be the last person to comment on security situation in Pakistan. We fought well and now we're a peaceful country. Tourism is prevailing and we're in the list of best destinations to travel in 2021.

Many of the travel vloggers are putting videos on YouTube as well.

Many other countries played cricket here as well including the PSL where many foreigners were here (cricketers, commentators) with same security. Nobody faced any issue.

This is all politics and nothing else
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I don’t disagree with much of your post. It seems like Pakistan is starting to get ostracised and not out of choice.

It is far too early but I stand by the diplomacy comments that should continue from our end. No one better than Wasim Khan and I hope we keep him.
 
Itachi said:
I think Pakistan should stop playing with NZ, Australia and England to teach them a lesson.
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So does that mean we won’t get the free forefit points in this WC :( ?

Anyways I do understand the emotions and anger of our Pakistani friends though. However I feel it’s pointless channeling towards Nz cricket board of all things.
 
I managed to get 6 month discount on SKY - Just phoned them to cancel as I only really use it for Sky Sports ( despite having the full package) and with these tours not going ahead I have very little to gain from it.

Give them a call. The least we can gain is save some money.
 
Itachi said:
I think Pakistan should stop playing with NZ, Australia and England to teach them a lesson.
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Australia won't be affected at all. England will be affected a little bit because England is home to a massive Pakistani diaspora and Pakistan draws crowds and money whenever it tours, but England too will be largely unaffected financially. It'll simply give them a chance to arrange more matches with India and Australia. New Zealand will be affected because cricket is already a struggling sport in New Zealand that does not make enough money. And by burning this bridge NZC have lost a team that could literally tour on the drop of a dime because that's how desperate the PCB was to have a good relationship with every board, until recently.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Oh so that gives a supposed terrorist impunity to go free?

What a nonsensical thing to say.
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No, but it presumably means the threat doesn't involve a direct/imminent threat to the public. If foreign intelligence agencies don't want to provide their information/sources to Pakistan then there's likely a good reason for that.
 
Local.Dada said:
So as a Britisher you wanted your fellow
Countrymen to travel and play cricket even though their intelligence told them that there were threats?

Obviously Pakistan denies it but you would trust them over your own countries secret service. Great.
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As a brit, I've always been sceptical of the government, they have their agendas, and we clearly know what their priorities are, and where they lie.
 
It is clear now that none of the Big 3 will tour pakistan in the next 5 years , we will have to play them on neutral venues. Play the teams who are willing to tour pakistan. Westindies , southafrica , zimbabwe , srilanka and may be bangladesh. Pakistan should try to get two of them to play home series in pakistan every year. 5 test matches , 5 one days and 5 t20s in pakistan every year. This is the only way pakistans home venue can survive. There is no need to ask the Big3 anymore of they are reluctant.
 
It feels like a 12 year old is operating Ramiz Raja's twitter accounts. Full of jingoism.

I understand the anger and pain of these tours being cancelled. But for a chairman of a cricket board to react like "Which world is NZ living in?" "NZ will hear us at the ICC" "...for teams to lineup to play without making excuses" is nothing but foolishness.

Pakistan, unfortunately, is not in a position to dictate to anyone. That's the harsh truth no matter how many want to deny it. If Pakistan refuses to play the Big 3+NZ, it's only Pakistan's loss. Those 4 countries are very happy playing each other and making tons of money.

Ramiz should be angry but that anger needs to be channeled through hard diplomacy behind the scenes. and not look like a keyboard warrior. Blaming NZ cricket is absolutely wrong in the first place. They backed out because their government didn't allow them to play. So PCB had no business directing their anger at the NZ Cricket Board. PCB should've let the governments trade barbs at each other rather than indulging themselves in a domain which isn't theirs to begin with. If ISI or Pak Govt tells the PCB to abandon a tour, do you think PCB will overrule them and say "no, we're committed to playing a cricket match despite security threats." Ofcourse not.

Very disappointed in the way PCB has reacted to these turn of events. Also, hopefully the PCB has learnt it's lesson of not trying to appease every Tom Dick and Harry when it isn't required. India left England high and dry and abandoned their tour. Did we see England react and bash India publicly? No. Because England are not stupid to kill their golden goose. PCB also needs to realize that severing ties with the Big 3 is only going to hurt them financially.
 
No mention of security!

'The mental and physical well-being of our players and support staff remains our highest priority and this is even more critical given the times we are currently living in'

Pull the other one.
 
This doesn't seem like it has anything to do with security. It feels political.

Shame on you, ECB.
 
Technics 1210 said:
No mention of security!

'The mental and physical well-being of our players and support staff remains our highest priority and this is even more critical given the times we are currently living in'

Pull the other one.
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As If we went to UK during COVID times and the physical and mental health of our players were not important
 
It is clear as daylight, security is not the reason.

NZG got played by RAW, ECB know it, so the play the mental health excuse. Boo hoo, England players suffering from mental health have bailed from the Ashes already.
 
HitWicket said:
No, but it presumably means the threat doesn't involve a direct/imminent threat to the public. If foreign intelligence agencies don't want to provide their information/sources to Pakistan then there's likely a good reason for that.
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Thanks. Unfortunately when it comes to Terrorist attacks there is a very high risk of collateral damage with unsuspecting lives often being lost. The miscreant is often unable to reach the intended target / destination when there is security of this level in place and often 'actions' the outcome some way away from the target often at the expense of security personnel or civilians in close proximity.

The issue with not sharing the nature (not the source) of the threat meant that PAK security personnel, civilians and potentially the NZ cricket team itself was potentially left more exposed to the threat (credible, significant and imminent per NZ govt / Five Eyes) than they should have been.
 
HitWicket said:
No, but it presumably means the threat doesn't involve a direct/imminent threat to the public. If foreign intelligence agencies don't want to provide their information/sources to Pakistan then there's likely a good reason for that.
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No good reason in this case. It's cricket, not OBL or something similar.
 
Technics 1210 said:
No mention of security!

'The mental and physical well-being of our players and support staff remains our highest priority and this is even more critical given the times we are currently living in'

Pull the other one.
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'Physical well-being' is quite clearly referring to keeping people safe.
 
HitWicket said:
No, but it presumably means the threat doesn't involve a direct/imminent threat to the public. If foreign intelligence agencies don't want to provide their information/sources to Pakistan then there's likely a good reason for that.
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Great! I guess we'll just expect a guy who wanted to blow up an international cricket team to just go home and be a good boy. And not be a threat to anyone. Ever.

Take a second and think about what you are saying. Actually try to comprehend how ludicrous and ridiculous it sounds.

And you're right there is a good reason for that, its called Pakistani lives don't matter.
 
Executioner said:
Pakistan winning the WT20 in 2009 and CT in 2017 did not help did it?

Problem is not that Pakistan is not a competitive team, it is just that Pakistan might not be considered safe by many. And the mere fact that presidential level security needs to be provided tells you a story.
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What kind of security is required when teams visit BD? I remember the security was not dissimilar when England visited not too long ago.
 
Manunited18 said:
As a brit, I've always been sceptical of the government, they have their agendas, and we clearly know what their priorities are, and where they lie.
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If you are skeptical of your own government and intelligence living there all your life, how come you are so trusting towards Pakistan establishment in this matter especially at a time when most of the world has divisive opinion on Pakistan when it comes to their role with the Taliban?
 
Have to say the COVID reason by England is a pretty lame duck excuse. I'd have preferred it if they were just honest.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Have to say the COVID reason by England is a pretty lame duck excuse. I'd have preferred it if they were just honest.
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It’s handwritten by the CEO Tom Harrison. He will also award India the Test series. Mark my words
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was inevitable that England would pull out of Pakistan .. Completely understandable in light of the security issues .. but I am surprised it couldn’t have been played in the UAE !! .. let’s hope things can change & teams can tour Pakistan shortly .. !</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1439987700384337921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
sharmaji said:
Maybe this is for Timepass section (but these days we can't draw a line between Cricket related stuff and timepass/geo-politics topics! I wonder how the @mods are handling these issues), but India and USA have a weird and complex relationship. Especially with two contrarian parties in the US (Democrats and Republicans) coming into power alternately, similarly with contrarian parties in India (UPA and NDA) in power in the past two decades. Add to this, the US media (which itself is very biased - either left wing or right wing) also plays a huge role in the diplomatic relations between India and US.

One thing is for sure, at a public level, Indians love US, its culture, movies, capitalism and would give their right leg to get a H1/L1 visa and green card. But at the diplomatic level, US is seen with suspicion. India has a very business like relation with US, it knows that US is never an ally.
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I'm not sure if everyone within the Indian establishment knows that. Because if they did, they wouldn't be binding themselves to the US through some very serious pacts/military agreements that among other things, give the US access to Indian geo-spatial capabilities.

Also, yeah probably best reserved for the Timepass section.
 
Savak said:
Thats very simplistic and does not boil down to Cricket and the players alone. Pakistan won the T-20 WC in 2009 and the CT in 2017, it still did not end the cricketing boycott of Pakistan. Our team has not been consistent enough. The lack of proactiveness by the PCB administration from 2009 to 2014 has also been a problem.

I believe ruthless promotion of the PSL and aggressive searching for investors in China, Arab states, America is the way to go.
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Ramiz Raja is right and you are also right - it's not about "just" winning the big marquee events - it's how the team is playing in the intervening period between 2 major tournaments. Pakistan team's performance was below par after winning the Champions Trophy and the 2019 World Cup.

As you mentioned the team is not consistent enough - I feel Pakistan need to reach the level of early 2000's Australia - winning a whole bunch of tournaments and continuing to win the bilateral series as well. It really is the only long term and viable way to attract attention and investment.
 
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It’s handwritten He will also award India the Test series. Mark my words
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I hope that is not the bigger concern. Also i see posters blaming India, BCCI and RAW.

Just FYI the PM of Pakistan spoke to PM of Nzl and still she refused for the tour to continue. Are you telling me BCCI and RAW have the power to influence the PM of what is considered a developed country?

At what point is the focus shift from a conspiracy to the possibility that there is more to the story about the security threat or that is possible in the current climate?
 
High time pcb showed some self respect

Enough of the yes sir ok sir attitude Look where thats led us - humiliation

Only play teams n tour those willing to come to pakistan even if we dont play any cricket A stand has to be made now
 
ENG absolutely had to give 'a reason' given they were cancelling from afar. Unlike NZ who were present in PAK when the threat arose, ENG could not keep mum without confirming what had made them cancel.

I know a lot of people will be disappointed with the cancellations but the positives are that it is increasingly looking like ENG did not, at least publicly, use the notion of the same threat that NZ had used.

Go with this narrative and let cooler heads prevail to rebuild. I don't think retribution will be the way forward but if at any point the economic dynamic / leverage shifts for whatever reason, PAK sadly has enough reasons of its own to pull the plug on any of these tours - I have a feeling this option may get exercised in the future and the sport will take another blow.
 
shariqnoor said:
It feels like a 12 year old is operating Ramiz Raja's twitter accounts. Full of jingoism.

I understand the anger and pain of these tours being cancelled. But for a chairman of a cricket board to react like "Which world is NZ living in?" "NZ will hear us at the ICC" "...for teams to lineup to play without making excuses" is nothing but foolishness.

Pakistan, unfortunately, is not in a position to dictate to anyone. That's the harsh truth no matter how many want to deny it. If Pakistan refuses to play the Big 3+NZ, it's only Pakistan's loss. Those 4 countries are very happy playing each other and making tons of money.

Ramiz should be angry but that anger needs to be channeled through hard diplomacy behind the scenes. and not look like a keyboard warrior. Blaming NZ cricket is absolutely wrong in the first place. They backed out because their government didn't allow them to play. So PCB had no business directing their anger at the NZ Cricket Board. PCB should've let the governments trade barbs at each other rather than indulging themselves in a domain which isn't theirs to begin with. If ISI or Pak Govt tells the PCB to abandon a tour, do you think PCB will overrule them and say "no, we're committed to playing a cricket match despite security threats." Ofcourse not.

Very disappointed in the way PCB has reacted to these turn of events. Also, hopefully the PCB has learnt it's lesson of not trying to appease every Tom Dick and Harry when it isn't required. India left England high and dry and abandoned their tour. Did we see England react and bash India publicly? No. Because England are not stupid to kill their golden goose. PCB also needs to realize that severing ties with the Big 3 is only going to hurt them financially.
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Yup Rameez needs to calm down and act like a chairman. His tweets are still like those of a comentator
 
Sensible, logical decision by ECB.

Considering Pakistan’s history and complete lack of credibility, you cannot take any risks.

We need to understand that cricket boards will always adopt the “better safe than sorry” approach when it comes to Pakistan.

We have no one to blame but ourselves.
 
Uff yaar aik tou Ramiz has the acumen of a five year old.

How can a guy who is as old as he is and has been involved in cricket as long as he has been, be so utterly stupid?
 
Tom Harrison is the biggest tool of the big 3. The ‘mental and physical wellbeing’ line is his signature statement in all of his interviews to the media at the time of adversity.

Hopefully he is replaced by Wasim Khan one day
 
ECB are fully aware there is no security threat and have had to resort to mental and physical well being as an excuse to masquerade the blatant racism and gullibility of NZG.
 
Local.Dada said:
If you are skeptical of your own government and intelligence living there all your life, how come you are so trusting towards Pakistan establishment in this matter especially at a time when most of the world has divisive opinion on Pakistan when it comes to their role with the Taliban?
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Where have i stated that I'm trusting the Pakistan establishment? As a tax paying brit I can question the government when I want.
 
I don't think people here should go overboard defending England.

Yes, their decision was essentially a foregone conclusion after what New Zealand did.

But that doesn't change the fact that Pakistan helped them out at their greatest time of need which even they went out of their way to acknowledge. And how did they repay us? By pulling out and giving us a lame duck excuse that nobody is believing.
 
Rana said:
Tom Harrison is the biggest tool of the big 3. The ‘mental and physical wellbeing’ line is his signature statement in all of his interviews to the media at the time of adversity.

Hopefully he is replaced by Wasim Khan one day
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Big 3 or 5 eyes? Once again you are failing to understand that boards have nothing to do with this.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Safe from what? C19?

If NZG had the balls to mention security, why didn't ECB?
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They said there was increasing concerns about travelling to the region and that the physical well-being of their staff is one of their biggest priorities. That's blatantly indicating the security situation was a large factor in the cancellation.
 
Watch the ECB Ceo especially flying to Delhi to hand BCCI the trophy and Test series with his Lacoste of Ralph Lauren sweaters

He is very much a Mountbatten type character!
 
We need to do a quick tour of India before the start of the T20 world cup.

This will be the ideal preparation for us in terms of adjusting to the conditions whilst playing high level competitive cricket
 
Rana said:
Watch the ECB Ceo especially flying to Delhi to hand BCCI the trophy and Test series with his Lacoste of Ralph Lauren sweaters

He is very much a Mountbatten type character!
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:facepalm: Exactly what is the impact of this on BCCI-ECB relations.
 
Saj said:
No surprise really, but another kick in the teeth for PCB.

What makes it worse is how the ECB is trying to soften the kick in the teeth by saying it's down to Covid19 etc.
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What???? This is really pathetic. UK only a few days took Pakistan off the red list and onto green. What new Covid data does the ECB have which the UK government doesnt?
 
Pathetic from the ECB. They probably reluctuntanly agreed to the tour in the first place after Pakistan came to England last year. I'm not one for conspiracy but cricket seems to be getting targeted for Pakistans recent political decisions.
 
OldWarHorse said:
Yup Rameez needs to calm down and act like a chairman. His tweets are still like those of a comentator
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All the reactions are fine you can't show any sort of other reaction because the people are not acting mature enough to see that cricket is being played here with all the foreign cricketers commentators with the same security.

He already sent a letter to NZ cricket board and they said neutral venue which is not even an option. NZC even said we'll talk about the financial loss which is enough to prove that diplomacy is hard and evident.

Don't need to hide any thing because everything is open just like NZ did.
 
Matty said:
We need to do a quick tour of India before the start of the T20 world cup.

This will be the ideal preparation for us in terms of adjusting to the conditions whilst playing high level competitive cricket
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If you cant go Pakistan which is on the green list due to Covid, why do you think India is safe to travel considering Covid.

Indians coming to UK vaccinated are not considered vaccinated, so seems more risk from India.
 
HitWicket said:
They said there was increasing concerns about travelling to the region and that the physical well-being of their staff is one of their biggest priorities. That's blatantly indicating the security situation was a large factor in the cancellation.
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More lies. Increasing concerns but green lit the tour.

The only aspect that is increasing is the **.
 
It’s interesting that the ECB didn’t have the word “security” in their statement as they must have known the measures were good.

It’s just that NZ suddenly pulling out meant it gave the ECB a reason to cancel as well.

They just weren’t comfortable going, at least they were being honest about the reason.
 
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