End of an Error as 1.3 billion Indian Hearts are broken by AJ Styles in the GREATEST raslin moment

[shaz619]

In the GREATEST moment in WRESTLING HISTORY! AJ Styles DESTROYS the so called Modern Day Maharaja to end his error. Thus, the prestige of the WWE Championship has now been restored.

For over 6 months, Jinder Mahal stank the joint be it through his one dimensional/robotic promos or in-ring performances which would make the Giant Gonzalez seem like an in-ring technician. Ever since his reign, attendances have declined, merchandise sales have been at their lowest, non-existent network subscribers and extremely poor TV ratings.

It had to take something big for the higher ups to stop being stubborn about their fascination with a market which doesn't even have enough toilets for the general public to begin with. For example, last week’s Smackdown did 2.119 million viewers according to Showbuzz Daily. That’s the second lowest number of viewers for Smackdown this year with only June 13 drawing a lower number with 2.072 million viewers. I thought that show went up against the NBA Finals, but when I looked it up I saw the NBA Finals ended a day earlier, so it wasn't a slow period or fierce competition it was more to do with Jindermania running wild, brother.

The week before the halloween episode of Smackdown the show did 2.699 million viewers, which means 500,000 less people watched the halloween show. A half a million drop is significant. No doubt about it. Smackdown from two weeks ago did about 2.32 million viewers. The usual range for Smackdown’s audience is about 2.5 to 2.6 million viewers, however during AJ's previous reign the range was between 2.5-2.8.

Anyhow, Jinder Mahal has to be the first champion in history to force half a million viewers in America to tune out! What's even worse, he was being positioned to face Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series; a high profile event which tends to sell out easily, however Brock/Jinder has been struggling to sell tickets. Generally speaking, business has been god awful ever since Jinder's reign and no one takes him seriously beyond being a jobber, he just doesn't belong anywhere near the squared circle unfortunately.

Fear not, Survivor Series is now a must see event due to AJ Styles being the one to Challenge Brock Lesnar and Smackdown can be taken seriously again with the Modern Day Joke out of the picture. But man what an epic triumph! I have been in a deep deep depression ever since Jinder became champ and quiet frankly life as it is can be a big struggle and it would be nice to watch a bit of WWE as an escape but Jinder Mahal would magnify my inner wounds, thankfully I have Boxing and the UFC who at times put on some great events to keep me at bay because I just quit watching wrestling all together. Jinder Mahal is by far the most disgraceful champion in the history of sports entertainment and we all should make a special thank you prayer to God for ending our pains and misery.

AJ Styles is just on another planet to the rest, he's an all time great and the closest thing to HBK aka Shawn Michaels I've ever seen; he even managed to to get a decent match out of that broom stick Mahal when he won the big title in Manchester in the MEN arena, what a moment for all the people there after the tragedy with the Ariana concert, no one can ever relate to the euphoria of a wrestling fan in moments like this and am glad the people of Manchester were sent home with a big smile on their faces, a big thank you to Vincent Kennedy McMahon; a thoroughbred revolutionary and pioneer.

 

[the Great Khan]

lol..

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[Varun]

Nobody in India knows what you're on about.

We're too busy with our favourite sport - ice hockey.

 

[shaz619]

lol..

No laughing matter bro, I went into a really really dark place; imagine having to deal with this every week:

Even them dancers couldn't save him, he repeats the same drivel every week:

"You hate me because I am brown, there are 1.3 billion people in India, now let me address my people in my god awful punjabi"

No mate, we hate you because you're GOD AWFUL! You can't talk, you can't wrestle, you're nothing but a roided up meat head who relies on cheap heat from the 1980's with that pathetic stereotypical/xenophobic persona.

Thanks to Allah though, they have taken the title from him. I hope we never see Jinder again, there could be other people out there like me who could fall into a really deep deep depression; I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy! no one should have to go through that and no one should ever have to sit through a Jinder Mahal promo or match

 

[shaz619]

Nobody in India knows what you're on about.

We're too busy with our favourite sport - ice hockey.

That's an ignorant thing to say, Jinder only recently was on every Indian news channel during his media tour there and he has his fans but not many beyond those who are consumed by nationalism like [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] because anyone can tell that he's a damn disgrace! then again his mediocrity must be what they relate to

 

[shaz619]

Relish this video my friends and replay it as many times as you possibly can for it is the BEST THERAPY you will ever find, END of an ERROR as AJ Styles restored prestige to the world championship and smackdown

 

[Pakistanian]

I think people tuning out to not watch Jinder Mahal is cause of racism, they always want to see a white boy win. They can't stand a Brown man at the top.

 

[shaz619]

What a moment, it was the first time the title had changed hands in the UK! wish I was there and the first time outside the US/Canada, what a monumental triumph. And as much as I dislike the second city wannabe's like [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] am so happy that all the citizens of Manchester got to live the euphoria of AJ Styles world title triumph in the MEN arena

 

[shaz619]

I think people tuning out to not watch Jinder Mahal is cause of racism, they always want to see a white boy win. They can't stand a Brown man at the top.

Are you serious the guy is absolutely dreadful, Shinsuke Nakamura is not white and they love him because no one can match his charisma and he has a knack for putting on absolute thrillers in the ring. The New Day are not white either and they are among the company's top draw's. Russev is not white either and he's over, heck Mustafa Ali is quiet popular given his exceptional in-ring talent, Jinder is just a lower card guy who is best suited to being a jobber, but sticking the most prestigious title on him in the industry astagfirullah !

 

[shaz619]

Take that India!

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think he flopped because Americans just couldn't relate to a bad guy wrestler babbling on about India. If he'd pretended to be Iraqi or Iranian and given himself a title like Osama bin Jinder he could have worn the same get up but got the USA public a lot more engaged. Dancing onto the stage with an ISIS flag would really have sent the ratings through the roof.

Poorly thought out campaign, he should sack his agent.

 

[shaz619]

Did you attend the showing in Manchester my friend [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] )

 

[kaayal]

Who is this guy?

 

[Varun]

That's an ignorant thing to say, Jinder only recently was on every Indian news channel during his media tour there and he has his fans but not many beyond those who are consumed by nationalism like [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] because anyone can tell that he's a damn disgrace! then again his mediocrity must be what they relate to

The only people who would watch this nonsense are confused desis.

The REAL sport is ice hockey. We welcome you to the club with open arms.

 

[shaz619]

I think he flopped because Americans just couldn't relate to a bad guy wrestler babbling on about India. If he'd pretended to be Iraqi or Iranian and given himself a title like Osama bin Jinder he could have worn the same get up but got the USA public a lot more engaged. Dancing onto the stage with an ISIS flag would really have sent the ratings through the roof.

Poorly thought out campaign, he should sack his agent.

Beyond all of that on an individual level he sucks, at the end of the day it's up to him to elevate himself every time he is given an opportunity in the ring but he has failed to have PPV quality matches due to his lack of talent, in the current era there's a big emphasis on being technically sound and being able to put on classics and excellent character work. Maybe it was a bit to do with being Indian it certainly could be a factor but having followed him in all his runs with the company he's just rubbish I wouldn't mention the Iron Sheik in the same sentence as him, he was terrific as a character and the audience loved to hate him.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is how to do it. This guy became a sensation by linking himself to events and villains your everyday American can actually relate to. Saddam Hussain.

 

[shaz619]

The only people who would watch this nonsense are confused desis.

The REAL sport is ice hockey. We welcome you to the club with open arms.

Those guys are defo confused for thinking Jinder is even remotely talented, they only cheer him because he's Indian that's it

Who wants to see a bunch of pansies in protective gear swing a stick pretending to be fighters when they can't even throw a straight cross properly, I watch Boxing and MMA instead

 

[troodon]

Heard about him once a few months ago. Most don't know him or care about this Wrestling circus.

Its all scripted anyway. WWE can make anyone win or lose depending on sales and popularity. May be they made Jinder win to tap into the Indian market.

Either way, Jinder looks like a man where as the other guy looks like half a man.

 

[shaz619]

This is how to do it. This guy became a sensation by linking himself to events and villains your everyday American can actually relate to. Saddam Hussain.

) These blokes were so entertaining

 

[Varun]

Those guys are defo confused for thinking Jinder is even remotely talented, they only cheer him because he's Indian that's it

Who wants to see a bunch of pansies in protective gear swing a stick pretending to be fighters when they can't even throw a straight cross properly, I watch Boxing and MMA instead

Tell me, which is the best stick to go to the ice rink with this season? I personally dig the Bauer Vapor 1X, but what do you make of the smashing CCM Ribcor Reckoner? That's pretty rad as well eh?

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Absolutely delighted that he lost. Was so bored of him being champion.

 

[Red Devil]

I think people tuning out to not watch Jinder Mahal is cause of racism, they always want to see a white boy win. They can't stand a Brown man at the top.

Or maybe they tuned out because this dude does not possess a lick of charisma or personality and was being shoved down their throats?


Anyway OT: Glad this torture is finally over. It was painful to see someone as talented as AJ rot in the midcard while Jinder sucked the life out of every show. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 

[Hitman]

Lost all interest in the current product after my hero, the HeartBreak Kid retired. I now watch those dozens upon dozens of DVD sets I have, and old matches on youtube. Eddie Guerrero's death hit me so hard, believe me I still haven't got over it. Then Kurt Angle quit the company, then the Chris Benoit tragedy happened, and finally in 2010 my hero retired. Recipe of disaster that killed my interest in the current product.

From Bret to Shawn, to Taker, to Austin and the Rock, to HHH and Foley, to technical marvels like Angle, Benoit, Jericho and Eddie ..... to a talentless hack like Cena hogging the main event scene. Just too much to bear.

 

[TQ89]

This is how to do it. This guy became a sensation by linking himself to events and villains your everyday American can actually relate to. Saddam Hussain.

This dude is severly under-rated. Sarge just wasnt a guy who was good on the mic, he was equally good in the ring too. I have watched some of his early stuff in pre-hogan era . The dude was a good ring general.

Heck even in 1997 when he was commisioner of raw he had a good feud with dx and put on some excellent matches with triple h at in your house ppv's.

 

[shaz619]

Or maybe they tuned out because this dude does not possess a lick of charisma or personality and was being shoved down their throats?


Anyway OT: Glad this torture is finally over. It was painful to see someone as talented as AJ rot in the midcard while Jinder sucked the life out of every show. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Originally AJ was meant to face Russev at the Manchester show to determine the final SS Smackdown member, but in the space of of a week Vince had enough when half a million viewers tuned out of Smackdown and ticket sales for SurvivorSeries were a struggle. Jinder just can't move the needle because he's very average lol there have been such characters in the past who have drawn big for the company like Iron Sheik, Sgt.Slaughter, Andre and Kolaff, even Hassan was doing well before the controversy; Jinder awful on the mic and in the ring

 

[TQ89]

Dont know about this guy but there used to be a famous indian wrestler called Tiger singh. He is the only good indian heel wrestler i have seen both personalitywise and skillwise.

Dude was like the indian terry funk. Very popular in japan and maybe had stint in ecw.

 

[Hitman]

This dude is severly under-rated. Sarge just wasnt a guy who was good on the mic, he was equally good in the ring too. I have watched some of his early stuff in pre-hogan era . The dude was a good ring general.

Heck even in 1997 when he was commisioner of raw he had a good feud with dx and put on some excellent matches with triple h at in your house ppv's.

Will never forget his tussles with DX. Michaels at that time would do anything and everything on live TV without blinking an eyelid, the best thing since sliced bread )

 

[shaz619]

Lost all interest in the current product after my hero, the HeartBreak Kid retired. I now watch those dozens upon dozens of DVD sets I have, and old matches on youtube. Eddie Guerrero's death hit me so hard, believe me I still haven't got over it. Then Kurt Angle quit the company, then the Chris Benoit tragedy happened, and finally in 2010 my hero retired. Recipe of disaster that killed my interest in the current product.

From Bret to Shawn, to Taker, to Austin and the Rock, to HHH and Foley, to technical marvels like Angle, Benoit, Jericho and Eddie ..... to a talentless hack like Cena hogging the main event scene. Just too much to bear.

Am an old school fan just like you and my fandom also extends back to the territory days of Flair causing havoc in Jim Crockett's NWA and even world of sport to an extent, but I"ll be the first to defend Cena, you stopped watching in 2010 but you're mistaken if you believe him to be on the level of Hogan; Cena is a company man who has always done what was asked of him by Vince, in his entire career there is only one story with regards to him using his influence to go over rising talent during the Nexus invasion angle and he openly apologised for that. Ever since, I've never seen a wrestler with his work ethic and improving in the ring to a degree where even his harshest of critics respect what he able to do, he can work with any opponent and put on an excellent match; sure he's no in-ring general like a Hart so he won't look fluid but calling him talentless is a so 2005, it took quiet the effort but there's a career body of work which has earned the respect of every peer in the industry including Bret Hart himself. The biggest issue has been with regards to his character work, he has been a face for so long that it's annoying hence the mixed reactions but everyone respects him because you earn that through in-ring performances. On the microphone very few are better, and only he could have managed to remain over for so long despite a change in character. But we've seen during the early 2000's that he was an outstanding heel as well.

As of late he never has issues putting over talent and more recently lost clean to Nakamura in a match that wasn't even on PPV, he works part-time now but when they call him he never complains about doing the job. It's true that he was a big part of the main event in the mid 2000's and often had the strap for too long, but Vince positioned him in that push, who would turn around and say no thanks? in the end it was a good investment because he has been the man who has put food on the table from WWE's POV although it's justified criticism that they should do more to invest in other talent to and that's what Vince has been doing over the past 4-5 years or so although some of his decisions have not been popular.

And if you like HBK as much as me you will be mightly impressed by AJ Styles, he's the closest thing to Shawn I've ever seen; he works well with everyone and is never in a bad match. The product is far from perfect but even in the present, when the E get it right no one does it better then them and no one else will ever be able to relate to our euphoria. The current gen as far as in-ring prowess is concerned are absolutely outstanding, more could be done on the character front though and you may not like the current style which revolves around high spots and faster work rate but I still enjoy it and guys like AJ, Braun, Brock, Strowman, Samoa Joe and Nakamura are all so exciting. We won't ever get our favourites back and I don't talk about Eddie because it's just so sad, but the bizz has moved on and it will like it always does, if it's given a chance it can surprise many including oldies.

 

[shaz619]

Absolutely delighted that he lost. Was so bored of him being champion.

Am just so gutted I wasn't there in Manchester first time the title has ever changed hands in the UK and it was actually a pretty decent match as well, AJ loves all of us here and I've been following him since the NWA wildside days. Be sure to catch the highlights if not the full match, I was going to tag you that he won yesterday I stayed up until 3am lol but wanted you to watch the match without reading any spoilers unlike me but am not too upset because he got the big win in the end.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judging by the reaction in Manchester last night after winning the WWE championship you’d think I was from the UK. Truth is, I’ve spent a lot of time in this part of the world and they have always treated me as one of their own. Thank you</p>— AJStyles.Org (@AJStylesOrg) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg/status/928301470482608129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8 November 2017</a></blockquote>
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[TQ89]

Will never forget his tussles with DX. Michaels at that time would do anything and everything on live TV without blinking an eyelid, the best thing since sliced bread )

Yeah I was 8 years old back then and i absolutely hated michaels since i was an undertaker & bret hart fan. I still remember how michael used to own everybody on raw those days. He was a brilliant brilliant heel and he had guts to do all the inflammatory things that other guys feared. In one famous episode of raw, he went to montreal and mocked the hell out of canadians while taking potshots at every canadian wrestler that wrestled in wwe.

He would make everybody detest him and would any upcoming prospect fan favorite just like nature boy and later on triple h used to do. I remember back then i switched through so many guys like ken shamrock, mankind, british bulldog, owen hart just to see hbk lose only to see hbk somehow beating them all in in your house & multiple other ppv's. My worst memories are his special refereeing at summerslam where he chaired undertaker and cost him his belt and the first hell in a cell match where taker lost at the last second because of kane's debut. I used to pray to Allah that somehow HBK drop dead and i never see his face again on Raw. Little did i know that i would be one of his biggest fans after his 2002 return & epic feud with triple H.

 

[Aman]

What a match.

My heart was racing towards the finish. I can't remember the last time that happened watching a wrestling match.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Did you go to the show?


Nvm saw the post above.

 

[shaz619]

For those always talking rubbish about the good ol days Here's a challenge,

You need to watch the upcoming Survivor Series PPV live, if you don't watch all of it; at the very least watch the classic 5 on 5 eliminaion match between team raw and smackdown, Kurt Angle, Braun Strowman, Balor, Jordon and Samoa Joe (RAW) vs Shane McMahon, Randy Orton, Bobby Roode, Shinsuke Nakamura and John Cena Smackdown)

And also tune into AJ Styles vs Brock Lesnar.

 

[shaz619]

 

[shaz619]

The elimination match is looking good to,

 

[shaz619]

WWE gave me an offer during the GBOF PPV headlined by Brock/Joe that if I give them 99p I can watch that PPV and every other in 2017 What a steal, I'd have given them the £9.99 if I knew Survivor Series would be headlined by Styles/Brock.

The Survivor Series event is now a must see PPV and overall it's such a strong card

 

[shaz619]

This dude is severly under-rated. Sarge just wasnt a guy who was good on the mic, he was equally good in the ring too. I have watched some of his early stuff in pre-hogan era . The dude was a good ring general.

Heck even in 1997 when he was commisioner of raw he had a good feud with dx and put on some excellent matches with triple h at in your house ppv's.

These blokes and sarge are [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] favourites :

)

Only those guys could get that character over

 

[shaz619]

What a match.

My heart was racing towards the finish. I can't remember the last time that happened watching a wrestling match.

Did you watch it live? if you did the world is so cruel where a guy like you got to see it without reading the spoilers

 

[shaz619]

And it doesn't matter if AJ has the belt or not, I do hope I get to see him perform live in the UK one day, preferably not against a broom stick like Jinder even though that match was so good, he carried him to an excellent match

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

We have been SAVED!

 

[Markhor]

These blokes and sarge are [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] favourites :

)

Only those guys could get that character over

Watch Patterson v Slaughter Boot Canp match. Bloody and brutal, has aged well.

 

[Hasan123]

Am just so gutted I wasn't there in Manchester first time the title has ever changed hands in the UK and it was actually a pretty decent match as well, AJ loves all of us here and I've been following him since the NWA wildside days. Be sure to catch the highlights if not the full match, I was going to tag you that he won yesterday I stayed up until 3am lol but wanted you to watch the match without reading any spoilers unlike me but am not too upset because he got the big win in the end.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judging by the reaction in Manchester last night after winning the WWE championship you’d think I was from the UK. Truth is, I’ve spent a lot of time in this part of the world and they have always treated me as one of their own. Thank you</p>— AJStyles.Org (@AJStylesOrg) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg/status/928301470482608129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8 November 2017</a></blockquote>
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Winning it in the UK kinda makes it sweet. Jinders run was really boring, can't believe he held it this long. Also good for AJ to win the title in front of a knowledgeable crowd.

Bro the match was ruined for me as well. Saw a supplier on Facebook, have now stopped following that page because of spoiling the outcome. )

 

[Aman]

Did you watch it live? if you did the world is so cruel where a guy like you got to see it without reading the spoilers

I saw it live, there was a live stream lol

 

[shaz619]

Winning it in the UK kinda makes it sweet. Jinders run was really boring, can't believe he held it this long. Also good for AJ to win the title in front of a knowledgeable crowd.

Bro the match was ruined for me as well. Saw a supplier on Facebook, have now stopped following that page because of spoiling the outcome. )

What happened with me was, there was a local show in Birmingham headlined by Angle; wasn't able to attend the event itself but anyway I followed the WWE-Bimingham hashtag because there were rumours that Angle would be competing, then looking at all the tweets some idiot Brummie posted 'Meanwhile in Manchester' what an absolute douchebag lol My plan was to avoid social media until the day after where I could watch the replay because I got that itch! a title match out of the blue on Smackdown? there was bound to be drama. True say, just block all those clowns or stop following them

 

[shaz619]

I saw it live, there was a live stream lol

It wasn't live in any country because the show was taped from 7pm in the UK, every where else the show aired in its usual slot. So it was always going to be a challenge for me to avoid spoilers until 1am from when Smackdown would air on sky sports

 

[shaz619]

Watch Patterson v Slaughter Boot Canp match. Bloody and brutal, has aged well.

The network is such a thing of beauty; I can probably find that match from their incredible archive footage, credit to Vince obtaining all the libraries

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] Enjoy this while you can, the Maharajah will probably get his title back before the India tour or during it at the very least

 

[Hasan123]

What happened with me was, there was a local show in Birmingham headlined by Angle; wasn't able to attend the event itself but anyway I followed the WWE-Bimingham hashtag because there were rumours that Angle would be competing, then looking at all the tweets some idiot Brummie posted 'Meanwhile in Manchester' what an absolute douchebag lol My plan was to avoid social media until the day after where I could watch the replay because I got that itch! a title match out of the blue on Smackdown? there was bound to be drama. True say, just block all those clowns or stop following them

Which matches featured on the card? And where else will WWE be going in the UK?

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] Enjoy this while you can, the Maharajah will probably get his title back before the India tour or during it at the very least

Don't jinx it lol.

Tbh I think he only lost the tittle because of his shoulder injury.

 

[shaz619]

Which matches featured on the card? And where else will WWE be going in the UK?

This was the card / results from the brum show:

Thanks to Wrestling Inc. readers @SnowmanBITW for sending in these results from tonight's WWE RAW live event in Birmingham, England:

* Finn Balor defeated Bray Wyatt with the Coup de Grace. Slow match with Bray wasting a lot of time teasing the crowd going in and out the ring.

* Titus O'Neil & Apollo Crews defeated Goldust & Curt Hawkins

* Asuka defeated Dana Brooke with the Asuka Lock

* Jason Jordan defeated Bo Dallas

* Braun Strowman defeated Kane by DQ in a short match after Kane attacked Braun with a chair. Braun recovered to power slam Kane through a table which Kane had bought in.

* Sasha Banks & Bayley defeated Alexa Bliss & Nia Jax. Alica Fox was the special guest referee. Good match and great performance by Fox as referee. Sasha and Bayley won with a Bayley to Belly.

* WWE U.K. Champion Pete Dunne defeated Dan Moloney

* WWE Intercontinental Champion The Miz defeated Matt Hardy. Good solid match, but not better then their RAW match. Crowd was hot for both men with "Miz is awesome" and "DELETE!" chants. Miz retained with the help of his goons but fun match. After the match, Hardy left to a round of applause.

* Kurt Angle, Seth Rollins & Dean Ambrose def. Samoa Joe, Sheamus & Cesaro. An excellent match and great seeing Kurt in the ring although it was funny seeing his ring attire... jogging bottoms! Great match with good end sequence. Angle manage to get a few German suplexes in and angle slammed Sheamus. The match ended with chaos in the ring and The Shield hitting the triple power bomb for the victory.

As Reigns has been ill, HHH has been filling in for him on some shows around the UK last week. There's one more left, a show in Nottingham tomorrow; this is the card:

WWE LIVE
AJ Styles vs Jinder Mahal w/ The Singh Brothers
***
Randy Orton vs Kevin Owens
***
United States Championship Match
Tye Dillinger vs Baron Corbin
***
Shinsuke Nakamura vs Sami Zayn
***
Bobby Roode vs Dolph Ziggler
***
3 on 4 Handicap Match
Naomi, Charlotte & Becky Lynch
vs
Natalya, Carmell, Tamina and Lana w/ James Ellsworth
***
Tyler Bate & Trent Seven vs Pete Dunne & James Drake
***

And many more!

Line-up subject to change

 

[shaz619]

Don't jinx it lol.

Tbh I think he only lost the tittle because of his shoulder injury.

He worked alright, didn't seem to be carrying a serious niggle. In the space of a week SD lost half a million viewers and Survivor Series tickets have been a struggle, Vince is known to make snappy decisions in such moments when he's getting hurt in the pocket. AJ has turned out to be a big draw for him and has always done all that has been asked, Vince never forgets favours; he did an exceptional job getting Reigns over when he had so much heat and more recently, despite having a fever travelled all the way from South America 15 hour flight on short notice to face Balor when the likes of Wyatt/Reigns had that virus, on top of that he put on a great match with Balor to, after his work in South America he should have been home resting but AJ has one hell of a work ethic and he goes above the dates he is contracted to perform for WWE

 

[Aman]

I don't want to get my hopes up for AJ-Brock, the way they've booked Brock it will likely be a sub 10 squash.

 

[Hasan123]

He worked alright, didn't seem to be carrying a serious niggle. In the space of a week SD lost half a million viewers and Survivor Series tickets have been a struggle, Vince is known to make snappy decisions in such moments when he's getting hurt in the pocket. AJ has turned out to be a big draw for him and has always done all that has been asked, Vince never forgets favours; he did an exceptional job getting Reigns over when he had so much heat and more recently, despite having a fever travelled all the way from South America 15 hour flight on short notice to face Balor when the likes of Wyatt/Reigns had that virus, on top of that he put on a great match with Balor to, after his work in South America he should have been home resting but AJ has one hell of a work ethic and he goes above the dates he is contracted to perform for WWE

I have heard he was carrying a knock but the fact smackdown views and paypaper view buy rates haven't been high whilst Jinder has been champion has played a part in the decision.

Yep got to give props for AJ for his recent efforts. He deserved another run as champion. If he holds the best past the India tour, will be interesting to see who he faces.

 

[shaz619]

I don't want to get my hopes up for AJ-Brock, the way they've booked Brock it will likely be a sub 10 squash.

If they give AJ as much offence as they gave Joe it will be great and even better if they let him go 50/50 like they did with Punk but that was before Brock ended the streak

 

[shaz619]

I have heard he was carrying a knock but the fact smackdown views and paypaper view buy rates haven't been high whilst Jinder has been champion has played a part in the decision.

Yep got to give props for AJ for his recent efforts. He deserved another run as champion. If he holds the best past the India tour, will be interesting to see who he faces.

I read about that to but it's nothing serious, otherwise he'd have vacated the title and rested because Vince still needs him for India. Jinder will defo become champ again but I hope that he's out of the picture on the road to wrestlemania, I get an itch that the big smackdown program going into the show of all shows will be Nakamura v Styles for the world title

 

[Hasan123]

I read about that to but it's nothing serious, otherwise he'd have vacated the title and rested because Vince still needs him for India. Jinder will defo become champ again but I hope that he's out of the picture on the road to wrestlemania, I get an itch that the big smackdown program going into the show of all shows will be Nakamura v Styles for the world title

I hope he isn't made champion again anytime soon. Has out of his depth. Should have been built up slowly instead of being made champion out of the blue. It was a risk that didn't work out.

Think KO and Sami Zayn may also be in the reckoning. One will turn on the other eventually.

 

[shaz619]

I hope he isn't made champion again anytime soon. Has out of his depth. Should have been built up slowly instead of being made champion out of the blue. It was a risk that didn't work out.

Think KO and Sami Zayn may also be in the reckoning. One will turn on the other eventually.

And another imminent heel turn is that of Ambrose, a lot of people have not followed him from his CZW days but this guy is a thoroughbred heel it comes so natural to him; he has still managed to get over as a face and deserves a lot of credit for that but being a heel is his best role, can't wait for him to turn on the shield lol his turn now, would be hilarious if wwe swerved us and had Roman be the one to do it lol

True, it's inevitable lol those two are destined to feud forever, so much chemistry

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] vince finally realised that Jinder isnt championship material. Despite Triple H politically manouevering Jinder to the main event title scene and pushing him hard in the media. Jinder has proven he cant draw anything. And is a 4/10 just like huntdeep is. Hopefully with the Phenomenal One back on top.

SD live will go back to how it.was. The Maharajas Palace has been demolished and the only thing left standing is the house that A.J Styles built

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] vince finally realised that Jinder isnt championship material. Despite Triple H politically manouevering Jinder to the main event title scene and pushing him hard in the media. Jinder has proven he cant draw anything. And is a 4/10 just like huntdeep is. Hopefully with the Phenomenal One back on top.

SD live will go back to how it.was. The Maharajas Palace has been demolished and the only thing left standing is the house that A.J Styles built

Is that an insult directed at me?

 

[CanadianG00se]

That's an ignorant thing to say, Jinder only recently was on every Indian news channel during his media tour there and he has his fans but not many beyond those who are consumed by nationalism like [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] because anyone can tell that he's a damn disgrace! then again his mediocrity must be what they relate to

He’s right Majority of Indians dont care about WWE. News media just want to up their TRPs so they would broadcast anything and everything but it doesnt mean general population care about it.

 

[leatherface58]

One of the worst pushes in modern wrestling history. A guy who cannot work, who cannot sell, who can barely talk but has a lot of roids is pushed as a WWE champion for a foreign market. They tried to go the Bret Hart route of "Face in India, heel in US" but that is BRET HART we are talking about. Roidy Mahal with his crappy matches made WWE title a midcard title for almost 6 months. When you have guys like AJ, KO, Nakamura, Sami, Rusev, RKO, Cena, you push Jinder for the title?

Indian tour is coming up so he might just win it back again but atleast for now, the nightmare is over.

 

[leatherface58]

Watch Patterson v Slaughter Boot Canp match. Bloody and brutal, has aged well.

Pat Patterson is a frigging miracle worker. He made a match between Hogan and Warrior legitimately good and enjoyable. Hogan is an underrated worker but Warrior was the drizzling s______. How Patterson managed to make it into a classic is beyond me.

 

[shaz619]

One of the worst pushes in modern wrestling history. A guy who cannot work, who cannot sell, who can barely talk but has a lot of roids is pushed as a WWE champion for a foreign market. They tried to go the Bret Hart route of "Face in India, heel in US" but that is BRET HART we are talking about. Roidy Mahal with his crappy matches made WWE title a midcard title for almost 6 months. When you have guys like AJ, KO, Nakamura, Sami, Rusev, RKO, Cena, you push Jinder for the title?

Indian tour is coming up so he might just win it back again but atleast for now, the nightmare is over.

When you look at all the losses they have made during the last 6 months, Vince will regret having made him champ to begin with because the investment will not get a big return. The last tour of india was good at the live gate but Jinder wasn't even champ the fans were more drawn to Roman Reigns who is so over in that part of the world.

They will have to put the belt on him for the december tour having got themselves in a cornee bur beyond that the nightmare will be over. Thank god we won't be getting broid v mahal, I look forward to broid / styles and survivor series now

 

[shaz619]

Is that an insult directed at me?

Yep, you and eugene were The Maharaj's greatest admirers now have switched teams, you're known for that.

You need a couple of slaps though for all the wrist slitting you did when AJ joines the E, oh he will be buried blah blah oh he's too old, oh he will never be champion not only is he champ, he's a 2 time WWE world champion!

 

[shaz619]

Pat Patterson is a frigging miracle worker. He made a match between Hogan and Warrior legitimately good and enjoyable. Hogan is an underrated worker but Warrior was the drizzling s______. How Patterson managed to make it into a classic is beyond me.

Warrior had a great match with Savage as well, he had abillity but his gimmick was never to look good in the ring but to squash everyone in his path, see his match with honky tonk man, it was short but the crowd went bat sh!t crazy, only warrior could have pulled that off

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] lol where did u get that from. nothing to do with you.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] vince finally realised that Jinder isnt championship material. Despite Triple H politically manouevering Jinder to the main event title scene and pushing him hard in the media. Jinder has proven he cant draw anything. And is a 4/10 just like huntdeep is. Hopefully with the Phenomenal One back on top.

SD live will go back to how it.was. The Maharajas Palace has been demolished and the only thing left standing is the house that A.J Styles built

^

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] ive seen pictures from the Manchester taping. and there were empty seats in the arena a whole section. Literally because of how Jinder has sucked the life out of the show well him n Triple H. For casuals Jinder is a nobody and no kids will be asking their parents to go see Jinder. in the U.K we have a hardcore fanbase and always sell out when WWE comes around twice a year. me and you attended the 2015 tv taping at the MEN and it was a full house. I think Jinder has shown he can be decent midcard heel talent. But Rusev really should have got his push like was originally planned but he isnt from a nation of 1.3 billion. a much more versatile performer.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] huntdeep is another name for Triple H me n shaz come up with because of his India love in on social media and to trigger Eugene.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One of the worst pushes in modern wrestling history. A guy who cannot work, who cannot sell, who can barely talk but has a lot of roids is pushed as a WWE champion for a foreign market. They tried to go the Bret Hart route of "Face in India, heel in US" but that is BRET HART we are talking about. Roidy Mahal with his crappy matches made WWE title a midcard title for almost 6 months. When you have guys like AJ, KO, Nakamura, Sami, Rusev, RKO, Cena, you push Jinder for the title?

Indian tour is coming up so he might just win it back again but atleast for now, the nightmare is over.

Okay now I get it. WWE were trying to sell to the Indian market. No wonder nobody over here has a clue who this guy is. I remember once before the boxing promoter Frank Malone saw tried to do the same thing by bringing boxers from India over here because he saw Naseem Hamed and Amir Khan were drawing big Asian crowds. Problem is, boxing is real, you can't stage manage a win for someone. It's not acting like the wrestling showpieces.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

By the way I think Frank Malone had a sex change, so maybe his Indian boxer experiment didn't work out too well.

 

[shaz619]

Okay now I get it. WWE were trying to sell to the Indian market. No wonder nobody over here has a clue who this guy is. I remember once before the boxing promoter Frank Malone saw tried to do the same thing by bringing boxers from India over here because he saw Naseem Hamed and Amir Khan were drawing big Asian crowds. Problem is, boxing is real, you can't stage manage a win for someone. It's not acting like the wrestling showpieces.

Frank Warren did the same with Vijinder Singh but dropped him almost immediately lol

 

[shaz619]

Me observations in the OP were bang on then according to ShowBuzz Daily, this week’s episode of Smackdown brought in 2.603 million viewers, which is a big jump from 2.119 million viewers last week. So basically, the half a million which had tuned out due to Jinder came back to see AJ Styles win, the episode was taped in the UK so everyone in the US already knew that he had won but still tuned in this week. Further highlights how bad a draw Jinder has been and the value of AJ Styles.

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

 

[the Great Khan]

I havent seen the WWE in ages. I stopped watching once austin and the rock moved on. My all time fav has always been the hitman and when he got injured by crapberg I really tuned out. I did catch up on some youtube stuff like the return of Brett and, crapberg coming back etc. But overall with the event of John"jobber" Cena and this weird era I just couldnt be asked to waste my time anymore. For me once the guerra died, and benoit, and brett, the rock and austin left the real golden age left us. Who can forget that Hell in the cell Undertaker vs Mankind? I mean that was pure insane Foley.

Had heard about this Jinder paaji in the media but never really felt the need to tune in to see the tamasha. But after watching that short clip above i'm glad I didnt. What in the blue hell was that? that was one of the worst worked title matches Ive seen. Is that the quality of the WWE now? lol..

 

[shaz619]

I havent seen the WWE in ages. I stopped watching once austin and the rock moved on. My all time fav has always been the hitman and when he got injured by crapberg I really tuned out. I did catch up on some youtube stuff like the return of Brett and, crapberg coming back etc. But overall with the event of John"jobber" Cena and this weird era I just couldnt be asked to waste my time anymore. For me once the guerra died, and benoit, and brett, the rock and austin left the real golden age left us. Who can forget that Hell in the cell Undertaker vs Mankind? I mean that was pure insane Foley.

Had heard about this Jinder paaji in the media but never really felt the need to tune in to see the tamasha. But after watching that short clip above i'm glad I didnt. What in the blue hell was that? that was one of the worst worked title matches Ive seen. Is that the quality of the WWE now? lol..

Short clips can create a distorted image, and to be fair, if you were an old fan asking me to show you the state of the current product then a match involving Jinder Mahal may not have been the best choice not to mention that awful skit involving his god awful promo ability. When it comes to the quality of in-ring work in this generation, it's outstanding and arguably among the greatest across the board from the lower card to the main-event; although character work could be better.

This match was from a PPV recently:

Both very sound technically, put on a clinic. AJ Styles the guy in the blue especially, is up there with the all time greats.

Here's another:

The Sami Zayn bloke is of Syrian origin and a very gifted talent in the ring, Nakamura is Japanese bloke and a former MMA fighter who innovated a form of wrestling called the strong style, which is heavy when it comes to strikes; very charismatic as well.

And lol bet you didn't enjoy Goldberg taking out Lesnar in 10 seconds then, his character has the aura to pull that off; they'd never allow anyone else to go over in such a fashion. Don't think we will ever see a Taker/Mankind like match again given the risks those guys took, Mankind especially was lucky to be alive after that match; a lot of what they did was not scripted in that match besides the fall from the top, Shane has done that a few times and more recently a few months ago.

 

[Hitman]

Am an old school fan just like you and my fandom also extends back to the territory days of Flair causing havoc in Jim Crockett's NWA and even world of sport to an extent, but I"ll be the first to defend Cena, you stopped watching in 2010 but you're mistaken if you believe him to be on the level of Hogan; Cena is a company man who has always done what was asked of him by Vince, in his entire career there is only one story with regards to him using his influence to go over rising talent during the Nexus invasion angle and he openly apologised for that. Ever since, I've never seen a wrestler with his work ethic and improving in the ring to a degree where even his harshest of critics respect what he able to do, he can work with any opponent and put on an excellent match; sure he's no in-ring general like a Hart so he won't look fluid but calling him talentless is a so 2005, it took quiet the effort but there's a career body of work which has earned the respect of every peer in the industry including Bret Hart himself. The biggest issue has been with regards to his character work, he has been a face for so long that it's annoying hence the mixed reactions but everyone respects him because you earn that through in-ring performances. On the microphone very few are better, and only he could have managed to remain over for so long despite a change in character. But we've seen during the early 2000's that he was an outstanding heel as well.

As of late he never has issues putting over talent and more recently lost clean to Nakamura in a match that wasn't even on PPV, he works part-time now but when they call him he never complains about doing the job. It's true that he was a big part of the main event in the mid 2000's and often had the strap for too long, but Vince positioned him in that push, who would turn around and say no thanks? in the end it was a good investment because he has been the man who has put food on the table from WWE's POV although it's justified criticism that they should do more to invest in other talent to and that's what Vince has been doing over the past 4-5 years or so although some of his decisions have not been popular.

And if you like HBK as much as me you will be mightly impressed by AJ Styles, he's the closest thing to Shawn I've ever seen; he works well with everyone and is never in a bad match. The product is far from perfect but even in the present, when the E get it right no one does it better then them and no one else will ever be able to relate to our euphoria. The current gen as far as in-ring prowess is concerned are absolutely outstanding, more could be done on the character front though and you may not like the current style which revolves around high spots and faster work rate but I still enjoy it and guys like AJ, Braun, Brock, Strowman, Samoa Joe and Nakamura are all so exciting. We won't ever get our favourites back and I don't talk about Eddie because it's just so sad, but the bizz has moved on and it will like it always does, if it's given a chance it can surprise many including oldies.

I won't even embarrass the wrestling industry by comparing one of the most professional, hard working and one of it's nicest guys like Cena with a dirty, rotten, political backstabbing, self centered egomaniac like Hogan. Cena has just as much class and professionalism as guys like Flair, Austin and the Rock.

I think I mentioned it before in some other thread that while I'm not a fan of Cena, I have the utmost regards for him as a professional. His lack of skills are not within his control, but for factors under his control he has displayed nothing but all class. Like J.R. was often fond of saying with regards to Shawn Michaels, I'll repeat it here - Cena is a sure fire, first ballot hall of famer, once his career is over. In fact he will be inducted the very next year after he finishes his in ring career.

I really liked Cena as a heel. He wasn't a main eventer back then and his apparent lack of in ring skills didn't bother me much. I just enjoyed his obnoxious character/gimmick and his pretty decent brawling.

As for Hogan, since the 'Hulkamania' era he has been nothing but toxic to the business and the rest of the boys. Him and 'Big Lazy' Kevin Nash are two of the biggest reasons for WCW's demise, although I can't deny the wonderful contributions of the creative genius Vince Russo who made sure that Hogan and Big Lazy's efforts didn't go waste in burying WCW 6 feet below the ground. I can barely name another wrestler who has been as much of a backstage manipulator as both of them, Shawn Michaels of the 90's come into mind. But even Michaels with all his backstage pull and influence over Vince, couldn't prevent a 52 year old geriatric Hogan to go over him in 2005. Imagine a 40 year old Michaels, without doubt the greatest performer to have ever laced up a pair of boots, having to put over a 52 year old 'wrestling prop' like Hogan, someone with two fake knees and a fake hip by then. It would have been more even for Michaels to work with a ladder, or maybe a broom stick, rather than Hogan. After all, the ladder or a broom stick would have played no part in the match other than being a wrestling prop. So was the case with Hogan, he played no part in that match other than be a wrestling prop for Michaels to perform his moves on.

Bottom line - I hate Hogan, I loathe Hogan, I despise Hogan, I can't stand Hogan. He makes me sick to my stomach. I'd rather watch a bunch of silicon girls prancing around in the ring instead of watching Hogan make even a guest appearance.

Rant over!

 

[Hitman]

And then imagine the audacity of that geriatric bald headed fool. After Michaels carried his immobile body to a good match, something that no one in this world other than Michaels was capable of, Hogan had the below to say in a radio interview -

The topic of SummerSlam came up and Hogan said he was proud of the match that came out. He was asked why he won the match against a full-time WWE star and Hogan responded that he bent over backwards putting over Shawn Michaels by making the crowd believe Michaels is good enough to hang with The Immortal Hulk Hogan. He said by shaking Michaels hand after the match, he helped further put over Michaels. He then said after watching Raw Monday night, he wishes he had thought more carefully about putting in so much effort to help out another wrestler.

Good on Michaels for tearing Hogan into pits and pieces in his promo the night after Summerslam, 2005. No other wrestler has been able to do so other than him till date. Simply because Michaels never cared for the authority, he always did what he felt like without giving two hoots about the consequences. It's funny he has always got away with anything and everything he did in his career, Vince never did anything about it. And that's what makes me really happy as his biggest fan. He basically kept Vince in his pocket, he still does. Not exactly nice for me to be proud of it, but I'm indeed guilty of taking pride in it

 

[Hasan123]

And another imminent heel turn is that of Ambrose, a lot of people have not followed him from his CZW days but this guy is a thoroughbred heel it comes so natural to him; he has still managed to get over as a face and deserves a lot of credit for that but being a heel is his best role, can't wait for him to turn on the shield lol his turn now, would be hilarious if wwe swerved us and had Roman be the one to do it lol

True, it's inevitable lol those two are destined to feud forever, so much chemistry

You wanted Ambrose to stay face. I can remember .

He needs a heel turn. He's become stale as a face. Only positive of keeping him face is the merchandise he sells.

 

[shaz619]

I won't even embarrass the wrestling industry by comparing one of the most professional, hard working and one of it's nicest guys like Cena with a dirty, rotten, political backstabbing, self centered egomaniac like Hogan. Cena has just as much class and professionalism as guys like Flair, Austin and the Rock.

I think I mentioned it before in some other thread that while I'm not a fan of Cena, I have the utmost regards for him as a professional. His lack of skills are not within his control, but for factors under his control he has displayed nothing but all class. Like J.R. was often fond of saying with regards to Shawn Michaels, I'll repeat it here - Cena is a sure fire, first ballot hall of famer, once his career is over. In fact he will be inducted the very next year after he finishes his in ring career.

I really liked Cena as a heel. He wasn't a main eventer back then and his apparent lack of in ring skills didn't bother me much. I just enjoyed his obnoxious character/gimmick and his pretty decent brawling.

As for Hogan, since the 'Hulkamania' era he has been nothing but toxic to the business and the rest of the boys. Him and 'Big Lazy' Kevin Nash are two of the biggest reasons for WCW's demise, although I can't deny the wonderful contributions of the creative genius Vince Russo who made sure that Hogan and Big Lazy's efforts didn't go waste in burying WCW 6 feet below the ground. I can barely name another wrestler who has been as much of a backstage manipulator as both of them, Shawn Michaels of the 90's come into mind. But even Michaels with all his backstage pull and influence over Vince, couldn't prevent a 52 year old geriatric Hogan to go over him in 2005. Imagine a 40 year old Michaels, without doubt the greatest performer to have ever laced up a pair of boots, having to put over a 52 year old 'wrestling prop' like Hogan, someone with two fake knees and a fake hip by then. It would have been more even for Michaels to work with a ladder, or maybe a broom stick, rather than Hogan. After all, the ladder or a broom stick would have played no part in the match other than being a wrestling prop. So was the case with Hogan, he played no part in that match other than be a wrestling prop for Michaels to perform his moves on.

Bottom line - I hate Hogan, I loathe Hogan, I despise Hogan, I can't stand Hogan. He makes me sick to my stomach. I'd rather watch a bunch of silicon girls prancing around in the ring instead of watching Hogan make even a guest appearance.

Rant over!

Hogan is on another level when it comes to politicking and backstabbing although HHH has to be up there without a doubt, I respect he helped take the industry to the main stream but what I just couldn't take was when he verbally tapped out to Sting at Starccade 97 or when he was pretending to win the WWE title when Bret went over at WM X. Cena was green early on in his career but he's so much better now and is capable of putting on classics consistently even more then some guys who are a lot more sound technically, that's hard work right there and getting better with experience. Watch his matches against the likes of Nakamura, Styles, Punk, Kevin Owens and Daniel Bryan; his peers will be the first to tell you he's always the first name on their list of guys they want to work with. Don't judge him by the stuff you saw pre-2005. Has already won 5 match of the year's from the prestigious PWI and even the stubborn WON awarded him a MOTY. By no means an in-ring technician but one of the best big match performers in the company's history.

Russo worked best in a professional set up, under Vince's guidance his idea's flourished but when you give him 100% control it's just a matter of throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks, in this instance everything was garbage and giving power to toxic individuals like Hogan certainly did not help. It's a damn shame that the company with so much rich history went down under and spat on, even legends like the horseman and flair were repeatedly buried; flair ended up in a really dark place even after the company ended, he was always a wcw guy and they treated him like junk to the point where he forgot how to be ric flair. Undertaker helped him get his confidence back and that match they had at mania was therapy for him.

Shawn in the 2000's was completely different from the one in the 90's, he went out of his way to rectify his mistakes from the past; he only won the world title once in his second run, there were times when the company wanted him to spearhead but he refused and never complained about doing the job, even lost clean to Jeff Hardy on an episode of RAW to elevate his status as a main-eventer. So I'd say he'd not intend to influence creative in that run and it was different set up at the same time so not sure how much he'd get his way even if he tried. The original plan was for Shawn to go over in that match but last minute Hogan did a Hogan lol am not sure if the over-selling was to insult him because I still enjoyed that match lmao HBK was angry about that because he felt look am the younger fella here and a Hogan win doesn't really any of us, but I'd have though Vince should have contained the hulk at that point in his career.