England have not just won, but have humiliated India, the "number 1" team

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Disgrace this, for a #1 team. No fight whatsoever.

It has gone from bad to worse in the second test.

Ashwin is the only fighter in this match. Even rain couldn't save us. And all it took is just 82 overs for ENGLAND to bowl out us twice.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This has to be one of the most humiliating losses in Test cricket history

 

[todfod 11]

India is ranked 1 by playing most games at home.. If they continously play outside home they would struggle to be in top 3. Even BD would have played better

 

[TeamPak95]

I'm just looking at India's squad. Pant pretty much has to replace Karthik. Other than that, I don't see much happening in terms of chopping and changing. I heard some folks saying bring back Dhawan but that'll just be playing musical chairs again in regards to the opening slots, although I'd stick with Rahul. Even though they failed I still feel, for the rest of this series, Vijay and Rahul should be your primary openers. At the very least, that's all you got.

 

[Majid Khan]

Bring back Dhoni, he is a fighter at least - and fit for his age, he can if backed easily do a Misbah and play for another 5 years.

Aside from Kohli and Ashwin, in current batting line up there is no fighter - the body language of these players is like Bangladesh.

 

[barah_admi]

Quite possibly the worst loss I have seen between two major sides. Think about it, India, test number ones, unbeaten at home, beaten in less than 2 actual days worth of play by a team still experimenting with their bowling order and their batting still not at a top level.

 

[shane]

Relax! They had one very bad Test match after one very good Test. Still three to go. Let's resurrect this thread after those.

 

[Square Drive]

India is trash. It's about time people accept this reality.

No matter what any bhaijaan or aapi jaan says, India are minnows.

The future looks very bleak. If only international cricket was IPL or U19 cricket level...

 

[JaDed]

True,and congratulations to them.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Relax! They had one very bad Test match after one very good Test. Still three to go. Let's resurrect this thread after those.

They didnt really have a very good last test though. Had Kohli not been in superb form and not been a tad lucky they'd have lost that Test quite easily too.

 

[JaDed]

India is trash. It's about time people accept this reality.

No matter what any bhaijaan or aapi jaan says, India are minnows.

The future looks very bleak. If only international cricket was IPL or U19 cricket level...

Don't get too cocky mate.

 

[todfod 11]

India need to drop Rahul and Vijay.. bring in Pant and dhawan.

 

[Rahul1]

India need to drop Rahul and Vijay.. bring in Pant and dhawan.

Haha. What?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

OP being dramatic as ususal. Eng lost 4-0 in India last time they toured and 1 game being wash out draw. I am sure we will do better than that. Signs are already there. Pujara and Ashwin looking good, Pandya is coming of age, Kohli is cluch as always. Be positive

 

[Tyler Durden]

This has to be one of the most humiliating losses in Test cricket history

Nah! Much bigger humilation is Pakistan getting whitewashed in UAE aka Home by Srilanka. That's the baap of all humiliations in Test history.

 

[Rahul1]

The entire team needs a serious overhaul. Vijay is finished. Lol Dhawan. Kartik is useless. I will give Rahul this entire series and judge him after that.

 

[kuskash]

This has to be one of the most humiliating losses in Test cricket history

Little less humiliating than Pak bundled for less than 60 in two innings, I do not remember but that was in a day or so

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

OP being dramatic as ususal. Eng lost 4-0 in India last time they toured and 1 game being wash out draw. I am sure we will do better than that. Signs are already there. Pujara and Ashwin looking good, Pandya is coming of age, Kohli is cluch as always. Be positive

I don't care what England does. My team has lost in the most embarrassed way possible, that's what hurts me. Having predicted 4-1, and losing like this, will hurt anyone.

And, moreover it's my expression, you are welcome to have urs, mate. You can say whatever pleases you, England had luck, bowled 85 mph leg spinners, Pitches were changed whenever we batted, etc.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Little less humiliating than Pak bundled for less than 60 in two innings, I do not remember but that was in a day or so

We didn't purport to be the best then. That was our lowest point.

India need to make changes otherwise 5-0

 

[Kashmirilion]

I rather have watched england play 5 warm up matches against Pakistan atleast that would've been alot more competitive then this one sided series so far.

Ps: it was mamoon who said england was warming up against Pak to play the main blockbuster series against India

 

[barah_admi]

Going to be a long 5 test series... Like I said, should reserve it for Australia

 

[Usman Chadda]

Nah! Much bigger humilation is Pakistan getting whitewashed in UAE aka Home by Srilanka. That's the baap of all humiliations in Test history.

Was Pakistan the number one team in the world at that time?

 

[hadi123]

This was an awful performance from India. In SA and in the 1st Test they were competitive, they played like minnows in this match though, a thrashing.

 

[mirza105]

5-0 is on cards
imagine stokes replacing rashid

 

[Usman Chadda]

Little less humiliating than Pak bundled for less than 60 in two innings, I do not remember but that was in a day or so

Was Pakistan ranked number one in world cricket at the time?

Indian fans fail to realise they wouldn’t be getting trolled this bad, if they had been a bit humble regarding their team’s capability

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

Bumrah and Bhuvi would have made this less humiliating.

 

[troodon]

This has to be one of the most humiliating losses in Test cricket history

NOthing beats Aus humiliating Pak in your home.

I remember Pak getting all out twice for 50 odd runs.

 

[troodon]

Was Pakistan ranked number one in world cricket at the time?

Indian fans fail to realise they wouldn’t be getting trolled this bad, if they had been a bit humble regarding their team’s capability

You sound sore. Accept that Pak were playing in their home conditions and they had some Pak greats in that team.

Getting bundled out for 50 runs in both innings at home is absolute humiliation.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Visiting teams always play poorly. Not just Bangladesh, but all teams. Apart from South Africa, not many teams have toured well the past decade or so.

 

[Madplayer]

The worst defeat EVER for a number 1 side. Show me a worse defeat to a number 1 side in a test match. Keep digging for the rest of your life and you wont find such a phainty ever given to a top ranked side. My word, shastri should donate his cheer leading dress after this.

 

[big_gamer007]

its Shameful..

Every series I get my hopes up that this time we will do well and then same old story.,

 

[troodon]

Bumrah and Bhuvi would have made this less humiliating.

India still would have lost by an innings.

Letting Woakes score a big century who was worse than a Tailender when he played against India in Tests not long ago and in IPL did it for India.

Sam curren outbatted everyone bar Kohli in Indian team. Can’t expect to win when a no.8 comes in smashed like that.

 

[big_gamer007]

You sound sore. Accept that Pak were playing in their home conditions and they had some Pak greats in that team.

Getting bundled out for 50 runs in both innings at home is absolute humiliation.

Why are we comparing ourselves to Pakistan? Is that our standard? This is the most humiliating defeat in history of cricket no doubt.. For us fans we expect us to be a top notch cricket playing nation and to succumb to such humiliation is shameful..

Taking solace in woes of Pakistan is not the right attitude.

 

[Square Drive]

Don't get too cocky mate.

You lot are ghar ke sher. Suck it up.

 

[big_gamer007]

The entire team needs a serious overhaul. Vijay is finished. Lol Dhawan. Kartik is useless. I will give Rahul this entire series and judge him after that.

The players who replace these guys will be equally crap.. people calling for shaw, gill etc are in for a reality check. Any player who is not in the team looks like our next saviour/superstar but once they are drafted in the team they turn out to be same old recycled garbage..

Example: Pandya, Rahane, Pandey, Rahul etc etc

 

[BDfanforever]

Visiting teams always play poorly. Not just Bangladesh, but all teams. Apart from South Africa, not many teams have toured well the past decade or so.

Shakib is right, Test Cricket is done and dusted, even Indian players dont wanna play Test Cricket. Bangladesh was harshly criticized for playing poorly in Test Cricket over the years.

The fact is, it is a boring and tough game to master. Even after all these years of cricket, India who is number one team continues to struggle against top teams away.

 

[hadi123]

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[big_gamer007]

You lot are ghar ke sher. Suck it up.

Yes we are ghar ke sher that is our ceiling in sports. Our highest ever achievement in the only sport a country of 1.3bill is to be ghar ke sher.. Nothing wrong in that we are just not built sportsperson.. Sports is not our cup of tea so we are happy being ghar ke sher it’s The best we can achieve

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

India since January 2011
In Eng - 11 Tests, 1 win, 9 losss, 1 draw
In Aus - 8 Tests, 0 win, 6 losses, 2 draw
In SA - 6 Tests, 1 win, 3 losses, 2 draws
In NZ - 2 Tests, 0 win, 1 loss, 1 draw
Overall - 27 Tests, 2 wins, 19 losses & 6 draws

 

[BDfanforever]

Yes we are ghar ke sher that is our ceiling in sports. Our highest ever achievement in the only sport a country of 1.3bill is to be ghar ke sher.. Nothing wrong in that we are just not built sportsperson.. Sports is not our cup of tea so we are happy being ghar ke sher it’s The best we can achieve

I am 99% certain, if rest of the world plays Cricket and takes it seriously, IND, PAK, BD, and SRL ranking would be just like how it is in football.

 

[Rayyman]

Indian cricketers have always been a bit meek.

It's what separates them from the Pakistanis.

Pakistani cricketers have big hearts and often punch above their weight.

Indians have talent but they don't have the mettle to survive tough situations. It's always been like this and it always will be.

 

[big_gamer007]

I am 99% certain, if rest of the world plays Cricket and takes it seriously, IND, PAK, BD, and SRL ranking would be just like how it is in football.

Of course sub continenters are weakest in sports.. maybe it’s genes or maybe it’s the lack of sporting culture but we are not meant to dominate sports. We can dominate outsourcing industry due to the sheer number of people we have.. That is about it we are mediocre at everything else

 

[kuskash]

Was Pakistan ranked number one in world cricket at the time?

Indian fans fail to realise they wouldn’t be getting trolled this bad, if they had been a bit humble regarding their team’s capability

I never considered India number 1 in reality, the bottomline is all the teams are doing well at home. Look at our team (AUS), I do not even hope them to do well at home. They will slide down even further. Indian fans deserve this troll. Bad times for them.

 

[kuskash]

Qouted from another forum

India since January 2011
In Eng - 11 Tests, 1 win, 9 losss, 1 draw
In Aus - 8 Tests, 0 win, 6 losses, 2 draw
In SA - 6 Tests, 1 win, 3 losses, 2 draws
In NZ - 2 Tests, 0 win, 1 loss, 1 draw
Overall - 27 Tests, 2 wins, 19 losses & 6 draws

Thats bad performance.

 

[Pete Rose]

This feels like when Pakistan tours Australia

 

[AZulfi]

Lords and The Oval are generally full of runs and visiting teams usually do well here.

So to get bowled out for 107 and 130 was a really bad performance by India

 

[Amjid Javed]

No wonder india enjoy playing at home so much

 

[saeed5646]

NOthing beats Aus humiliating Pak in your home.

I remember Pak getting all out twice for 50 odd runs.

Just shows you knowledge what home condition how many test pak have played in uae before that series?

 

[ManFan]

This feels like when Pakistan tours Australia

Pakistan was competitive in all three Tests last time they played in 2016.

Passing 300 in all Three Tests and nearly chasing 460 odd in the First.

The bowling struggled to take twenty wickets which lost them the series.

 

[BDfanforever]

Of course sub continenters are weakest in sports.. maybe it’s genes or maybe it’s the lack of sporting culture but we are not meant to dominate sports. We can dominate outsourcing industry due to the sheer number of people we have.. That is about it we are mediocre at everything else

You are right. It's the culture, and may be genes to certain extent. People in the subcontinent wants to be doctor, engineer, lawyers, IT guru, etc. They don't give much attention to athleticism.

Look at NZ, population fraction of subcontinent yet they play wonderful Cricket.

 

[iniqbal223]

The entire team needs a serious overhaul. Vijay is finished. Lol Dhawan. Kartik is useless. I will give Rahul this entire series and judge him after that.

+ Pandya : who is neither batsman, nor bowler

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan was competitive in all three Tests last time they played in 2016.

Passing 300 in all Three Tests and nearly chasing 460 odd in the First.

The bowling struggled to take twenty wickets which lost them the series.

Yeah I know that, the difference between last tour and and the others was that our batting did better. Still doesn’t change the fact that we last won a game there in 1996. We are as bad in Australia as they are in the subcontinent

 

[saeed5646]

Visiting teams always play poorly. Not just Bangladesh, but all teams. Apart from South Africa, not many teams have toured well the past decade or so.

In which country are you talking about ?if eng then we are only second best after SA in england from last 7 to 8 years

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

i think this is unfair on India, had Eng have batted first the same fate would have occurred to them.

All is not lost...

 

[BDfanforever]

In which country are you talking about ?if eng then we are only second best after SA in england from last 7 to 8 years

If you are the second best, then what are you doing down there at number 7 competing with WI and BD?

 

[iniqbal223]

You sound sore. Accept that Pak were playing in their home conditions and they had some Pak greats in that team.

Getting bundled out for 50 runs in both innings at home is absolute humiliation.

Nopes, that team did not have greats, except for Waqar/Saqlain, all were on debut or playing their 1/2/3 test matches

 

[saeed5646]

If you are the second best, then what are you doing down there at number 7 competing with WI and BD?

Read between the line i am talking about pakistan performance in eng not overall

 

[Madplayer]

If you are the second best, then what are you doing down there at number 7 competing with WI and BD?

He said 2nd best in England.

 

[Madplayer]

Nopes, that team did not have greats, except for Waqar/Saqlain, all were on debut or playing their 1/2/3 test matches

1) Pakistan was not number 1 ranked side at that time like India is today.

2) It happened almost 2 decades ago.

3) Indians are trying to find solace in those Pakistan defeats sums up the mentality of fans

 

[ManFan]

If you are the second best, then what are you doing down there at number 7 competing with WI and BD?

Three words mate:

43 All Out.

 

[Markhor]

NOthing beats Aus humiliating Pak in your home.

I remember Pak getting all out twice for 50 odd runs.

That was a hideous defeat but IIRC none of Anwar, Inzamam or Yousuf played that series. Without them against Warne and McGrath you're asking for trouble.

Still should've made more than 59 and 53 though.

 

[Sam99]

India is ranked 1 by playing most games at home.. If they continously play outside home they would struggle to be in top 3. Even BD would have played better

43/10

 

[troodon]

Of course sub continenters are weakest in sports.. maybe it’s genes or maybe it’s the lack of sporting culture but we are not meant to dominate sports. We can dominate outsourcing industry due to the sheer number of people we have.. That is about it we are mediocre at everything else

It’s not genes. It is malnutrition. Majority suffer from stunted growth.

Compare an average Indian kid in India with an American or European kid. The difference is too much to ignore.

 

[BDfanforever]

Three words mate:

43 All Out.

So what? We destroyed them in ODIs, that too on away.

Even number one ranked team scoring only 100 runs. You also got destroyed by SL in UAE. Your point?

 

[gazza619]

So what? We destroyed them in ODIs, that too on away.

Even number one ranked team scoring only 100 runs. You also got destroyed by SL in UAE. Your point?

Yeah I think every team has had their share of embarrassments. The only difference I would say about Pakistan is they are a bit more down to earth and don’t make big claims in arrogance before any series.

 

[Mamoon]

I think India have been fairly unlucky as well. Kohli was right in noting that that this was the first time they have been outplayed in their overseas Tests cycle.

The matched South Africa blow for blow, and would probably have won the series had India batted first twice instead of South Africa.

In England, they have been without their best swing bowler (Bhuvneshwar) who would been lethal in these conditions. They lost the first Test narrowly, and although they got crushed in this game, England were very lucky to bowl under clouds.

This is still a very good team and the rightful number one ranked team in the world.

 

[pakistani pride]

Qouted from another forum

India since January 2011
In Eng - 11 Tests, 1 win, 9 losss, 1 draw
In Aus - 8 Tests, 0 win, 6 losses, 2 draw
In SA - 6 Tests, 1 win, 3 losses, 2 draws
In NZ - 2 Tests, 0 win, 1 loss, 1 draw
Overall - 27 Tests, 2 wins, 19 losses & 6 draws

And then they say the last 10 years have been Indias golden era.

Where is our Indian cheerleader?

 

[ManFan]

So what? We destroyed them in ODIs, that too on away.

Even number one ranked team scoring only 100 runs. You also got destroyed by SL in UAE. Your point?

My point is we whitewashed (“destroyed” would be appropriate here since it was 3-0 in both LOI formats and not 2-1 like in BD) them in ODI’s and T20’s. We were 8-1 the last time they toured us in 2016 with the only loss of the tour a dead rubber Test match. (Having beat them in their Test series at home and away unlike Bd which lost 2-0).

Beating the current WI’s is not a great achievement.

And Sri Lankan whitewash was similar to when BD whitewashed us in 2015. A new captain, new squad, these events can happen.

If it happens again, than there can be no excuse.

 

[pakistani pride]

I think India have been fairly unlucky as well. Kohli was right in noting that that this was the first time they have been outplayed in their overseas Tests cycle.

The matched South Africa blow for blow, and would probably have won the series had India batted first twice instead of South Africa.

In England, they have been without their best swing bowler (Bhuvneshwar) who would been lethal in these conditions. They lost the first Test narrowly, and although they got crushed in this game, England were very lucky to bowl under clouds.

This is still a very good team and the rightful number one ranked team in the world.

Yeh very unlucky they dont deserve this humiliation. Eng should have given them 250 runs for free to make a match out of this.

Cause this series is the highlight of the summer.

 

[Pete Rose]

I think India have been fairly unlucky as well. Kohli was right in noting that that this was the first time they have been outplayed in their overseas Tests cycle.

The matched South Africa blow for blow, and would probably have won the series had India batted first twice instead of South Africa.

In England, they have been without their best swing bowler (Bhuvneshwar) who would been lethal in these conditions. They lost the first Test narrowly, and although they got crushed in this game, England were very lucky to bowl under clouds.

This is still a very good team and the rightful number one ranked team in the world.

they will do better in Australia (better = high scoring series loss = how are Pakistan played in Australia) since they don’t have a mental block against the asussies (plus true surface)

 

[Markhor]

I think India have been fairly unlucky as well. Kohli was right in noting that that this was the first time they have been outplayed in their overseas Tests cycle.

The matched South Africa blow for blow, and would probably have won the series had India batted first twice instead of South Africa.

In England, they have been without their best swing bowler (Bhuvneshwar) who would been lethal in these conditions. They lost the first Test narrowly, and although they got crushed in this game, England were very lucky to bowl under clouds.

This is still a very good team and the rightful number one ranked team in the world.

At Headingley, Sarfraz won the toss and chose to bat first with the sun shining on a flat pitch.

Half an hour later the clouds descended and the ball was hooping around for Anderson and Broad.

Yet you declare one team unlucky, and the other team having received a "reality check".

 

[Mamoon]

they will do better in Australia (better = high scoring series loss = how are Pakistan played in Australia) since they don’t have a mental block against the asussies (plus true surface)

I think that is pretty true. England is to India what Pakistan is to Australia, although India are nowhere near as bad in England as Pakistan are in Australia.

 

[Mamoon]

At Headingley, Sarfraz won the toss and chose to bat first with the sun shining on a flat pitch.

Half an hour later the clouds descended and the ball was hooping around for Anderson and Broad.

Yet you declare one team unlucky, and the other team having received a "reality check".

England is Pakistan's bogey team in this era. It is strange why Pakistan tends to do better than India in England but strange things do happen in sports. I don't think it is important to cling onto it because India are overall a superior side and do better in most conditions.

I think we are advertising our superior record in England a little too much (specifically Lord's and Oval, since we have lost every non-London Test since Old Trafford 2001) and over-selling it.

 

[enkidu_]

I think that is pretty true. England is to India what Pakistan is to Australia, although India are nowhere near as bad in England as Pakistan are in Australia.

Ind/Pak in Australia :

Ind/Pak in England :

 

[Slog]

England is Pakistan's bogey team in this era. It is strange why Pakistan tends to do better than India in England but strange things do happen in sports. I don't think it is important to cling onto it because India are overall a superior side and do better in most conditions.

I think we are advertising our superior record in England a little too much (specifically Lord's and Oval, since we have lost every non-London Test since Old Trafford 2001) and over-selling it.

lol you are more defensive than most indians on the forum

first time ever i have seen someone take out a city for an analysis of a team's record in a country.. Doesnt pain a good picture

Anyways its a moot point. It is factual and historical that Pakistan have been a better touring side than India. And England we are so far ahead of India that its not even worth a serious dicussion

2000-2010 was the only decade in the past half century where India was the clearly better touring side.

 

[Mamoon]

Ind/Pak in Australia :

Ind/Pak in England :

Pakistan have historically been a much better Test team than India so this is a moot point. I am clearly referring to Pakistan's abysmal record in Australia from 1990s onwards. I have lost count of the number of consecutive matches we have lost in Australia. In the last two decades or so, we have easily been the worst touring team in Australia.

 

[Pete Rose]

Ind/Pak in Australia :

Ind/Pak in England :

Pakistan have had a terrible time of it for the last 25 years in particular. These results are somewhat skewed because of ancient history.
But Pakistan’s record in England is pretty much superior without any quibbles

 

[Markhor]

England is Pakistan's bogey team in this era. It is strange why Pakistan tends to do better than India in England but strange things do happen in sports. I don't think it is important to cling onto it because India are overall a superior side and do better in most conditions.

I think we are advertising our superior record in England a little too much (specifically Lord's and Oval, since we have lost every non-London Test since Old Trafford 2001) and over-selling it.

Is it any easier to win in London than outside the capital ?

The ball is still the Dukes, and Anderson and Broad are still tough bowlers in home conditions as India have found out here with this innings defeat. England comprehensively beat South Africa last year at Lord's whilst The Oval has the most pace and bounce of all wickets in England.

The reason for our good results in the last two tours isn't blind luck but because we bothered to prepare for the conditions. However Shastri arrogantly shaved off one day of the only warm up match before the series thinking his team had it all figured out.

 

[Mamoon]

lol you are more defensive than most indians on the forum

first time ever i have seen someone take out a city for an analysis of a team's record in a country.. Doesnt pain a good picture

Anyways its a moot point. It is factual and historical that Pakistan have been a better touring side than India. And England we are so far ahead of India that its not even worth a serious dicussion

2000-2010 was the only decade in the past half century where India was the clearly better touring side.

Pakistan is better than India in England only, but India competes better in Australia, South Africa and other countries. Overall, India is a better touring side and a much better home side.

As I said earlier, Pakistan have of course been a much better Test team historically so bringing up W/L ratios from the 50s doesn't really mean much. No one is arguing that historically India have been better than Pakistan.

 

[babajee]

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