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Its the usual with Pakistan batsmen. For all the talk about us being experts at playing spin, we are almost always done by spin in pretty much ALL conditions :)

But Indian batsmen are a different kettle of fish.

Would be interesting to see if Dom Bess can make an impact against India in the upcoming series.
 
Well India also has the magnanimity of handing cheap wickets to newbies. I am sure Dominic Bess is going to enjoy bowling to the Indian batters. Moeen Ali took wickets for fun against India in 2014. India needs to be careful as they may go for glory against Bess and make him some sort of a legend.
 
If the swing bowling duo of James Anderson and Stuart Broad wrecks havoc, the momentum created will help Bess take wickets. Forget Moeen Ali, even Chris Jordan destroyed a demoralized India last time. That's how test cricket works.

Without the pressure, don't see him troubling Indian batsmen, except maybe Ajinkya Rahane.
 
Its the usual with Pakistan batsmen. For all the talk about us being experts at playing spin, we are almost always done by spin in pretty much ALL conditions :)

But Indian batsmen are a different kettle of fish.

Would be interesting to see if Dom Bess can make an impact against India in the upcoming series.
Indian batsmen in Test are no longer kings of spin.We have struggled against spinners off late.
 
He will take a minimum of 15 wickets against us. If Pakistan had defeated England in the series, we would have won our series as well but now, England have got their tail up. A lot of careers, which were on the line in the 2nd test, have been saved and sadly now it looks like they will all have one finallhurrah at home vs us with the rookie spinner repeating the feat of Moeen Ali in 2014.
 
Pakistan (perhaps India too?) have lost intensity against spin - of course partly due to absence of Younis/Misbah who would milk them.

Watching Pak against Bess: just not very proactive, unwilling to engage footwork which, I know can be a problem against seam, but usually isn't against spin - for us anyway.
 
Any half decent spinner is good enough for us over the last few years.

Anybody remember Simon Harmer and Steve O'Keefe rolling us not so long ago?
 
Any half decent spinner is good enough for us over the last few years.

Anybody remember Simon Harmer and Steve O'Keefe rolling us not so long ago?

You are way underselling us my friend, India have had an occasional problem with a spinner but if you perform against us for maybe 1 series or even 1 match as Ali and O'Keefe respectively found out, indian batting can be very brutal on you. His performance against Pakistan is actually a great thing if you are an indian fan, there is a good chance we might actually prepare well for him rather than be our usual casual self as we normally are against most young spinners.
 
Bess is like Shadab from what I've seen, his bowling might be getting a free pass because of his performance with the bat. I'd be surprised if an off spinner is going to cause too many problems for Indian batsmen.
 
Bess is like Shadab from what I've seen, his bowling might be getting a free pass because of his performance with the bat. I'd be surprised if an off spinner is going to cause too many problems for Indian batsmen.

Moeen Ali 19 wickets in 2014
Nathan Lyon 10fer in Adelaide 2014, Took 8/50 in Bangalore in 2017
Shane Shillingford also took a bagful of wickets against India IIRC

It is not the same anymore. FC spin cupboard is barren!
 
He is extremely average and has a long way to go.

Indian batsmen will make mincemeat out of him (as we should have, but that is sadly another story).
 
Moeen Ali 19 wickets in 2014
Nathan Lyon 10fer in Adelaide 2014, Took 8/50 in Bangalore in 2017
Shane Shillingford also took a bagful of wickets against India IIRC

It is not the same anymore. FC spin cupboard is barren!
This. Too much of T20 and flat pitches have ruined have batsmen all over the world.
 
Moeen Ali 19 wickets in 2014
Nathan Lyon 10fer in Adelaide 2014, Took 8/50 in Bangalore in 2017
Shane Shillingford also took a bagful of wickets against India IIRC

It is not the same anymore. FC spin cupboard is barren!

What happened to ali once he came to india, lyon has really improved and the banglore pitch was as much a factor for his 8fer as the batsman. And in Shillingford's case taking wickets after giving away 150+ runs each innings isn't something that proves a batting lineup's weakness.
 
I am more worried about Moeen Ali. He was the main reason India lost their last series in England.
 
The Indian team depends a lot on individual brilliance. As a team, they often look underprepared and tend to have a casual approach, which is why they sometimes look puzzled when the opposition introduces a new player. Akila Dhananjaya first played against us in the 2nd ODI of the Sri Lankan tour and managed to pick up 6 wickets. In the 3rd ODI he got 2 wickets and 1 wicket in the fourth. He was wicketless in the 5th ODI :). The same thing happened in CT final too. I think we didn’t bother to check who this Fakhar Zaman guy is.

So Dom Bess shouldn’t be a threat if India prepare well. Don’t think he’ll be playing against us though.
 
A lot depends on how we handle the pace bowlers in the end . Most batsmen these days dont have the patience or technique to play out spinners , a lot of them are good at scoring off them , but if early wickets are lost and batsmen are forced to defend thats where the problem starts .

Only Pujara in the current linup world class against spinners , Virat and KL are above average though both have a weakness defending against off spinners . The rest are average are below that .
 
What is the reason behind it as Pakistan struggle against spinners very much.

India imo cos the pitches have changed a lot in domestic in past 10 years . We have moved from flat/spinning ones to pace friendly ones , so unlike in the past young batsmen have scored a lot of runs in domestic are not necessarily good against spin . in general T20s have had a big impact , most batsmen dont have a great defensive game , their first instinct is to score not survive .
 
What happened to ali once he came to india, lyon has really improved and the banglore pitch was as much a factor for his 8fer as the batsman. And in Shillingford's case taking wickets after giving away 150+ runs each innings isn't something that proves a batting lineup's weakness.

In case you forgot, the upcoming series is in England and not India. And no, the Bangalore pitch was not even half as bad as Pune and I dont have to remind you what happened in Pune.

You are free to believe what you want. I am expressing an opinion that the current Indian batting line up will fold under quality spin bowling. Still believe had Keshav Maharaj played 2015 series, on those minefields, it would have been much closer.

Having said that Dom Bess may not be of the same quality but still it was criminal of India to have given 19 wickets to Moeen in 2014.
 
In case you forgot, the upcoming series is in England and not India. And no, the Bangalore pitch was not even half as bad as Pune and I dont have to remind you what happened in Pune.

You are free to believe what you want. I am expressing an opinion that the current Indian batting line up will fold under quality spin bowling. Still believe had Keshav Maharaj played 2015 series, on those minefields, it would have been much closer.

Having said that Dom Bess may not be of the same quality but still it was criminal of India to have given 19 wickets to Moeen in 2014.

Read my first post mate, i don't think you will find anyone disagreeing with the ali issue, if we actually respect the english spinner be it leach or bess rather than have the we want to smash him out of the attack attitude towards him we will milk these guys around without effort.

Also Lyon has had multiple india tours now, is it really surprising he atlast found a bit of success, what happened to the pune's best spinner in the rest of the series. You may keep believing your fancies but india has the best players of spin, our problem is whether we take the spinner seriously the first time around. Maharaj wouldn't have changed the eventual result whatever you may think.
 
England off-spinner Dom Bess admits that he "lost a lot of confidence" in his game after a topsy-turvy 2018-19, but the path back has made him more practical and mature in understanding the cruel realities of competitive sport.

Despite earning the honour of making a Test debut at Lord's, Bess, in a peculiar turn of events, found himself out of his county side Somerset shortly thereafter, while his Test aspirations, too, were curtailed by the return to fitness of first-choice spinner Jack Leach.

It made him jump ship to Yorkshire, on loan, to fulfil his aspirations of playing just about any kind of competitive cricket. Now, with Leach recovering from an illness that has struck down several cricketers in the touring camp, Bess has had a second chance to prove himself, when he was called up for the Cape Town Test, his first in 19 months.

Bess' figures in the game were nothing to go gaga over, as he returned with two wickets from 60 overs, at the cost of 119 runs. But Bess' immaculate accuracy choked South Africa and allowed England captain Joe Root to more evenly distribute the workload among his fast bowlers at the other end, with Bess performing a superb holding role at one end.

The performance was noticed by players from both sides, including team-mate Sam Curran, who called Bess "the biggest one in our line-up", and South Africa opener Dean Elgar, with whom Bess has shared a dressing room at Somerset.

"It has been a hell of a ride," Bess said. "I played the Test matches in 2018 and did alright, but then fell off the radar a little bit, and within myself I lost a lot of confidence within my game.

"Over the last two years, I've just been gradually building that back up, and became a lot more realistic about things. I'm only 22, so I've got time on my side, but to get that luck to be here and to take that opportunity is just amazing, and I guess it sums up cricket really.

"It just goes to show that all I have to do is knuckle down, work hard, which I have been doing over the last four or five months, working on my action, and then, when you get an opportunity like this, you can put it into place and see if it can withstand the pressure.

Dom Bess leads up as he prepares to deliver the ballDom Bess leads up as he prepares to deliver the ball
"When you've got guys like Stokesy at the other end and Jimmy and Broady then it is phenomenal - I'm happy bowling at one end, not picking up wickets and letting the boys do it at the other end. It is unbelievable to be a part of."

Bess has been the beneficiary of the proactive initiatives taken by the England and Wales Cricket Board to ensure that its players get the best possible exposure to prepare them for the grinds of international cricket.

As part of an ECB programme, Bess travelled to Mumbai in November last year for a spin-bowling camp with Sri Lankan Rangana Herath. Working with Test cricket's most successful left-arm spinner, Bess said, has taught him the virtue of persistence.

"I'm only 22, so I've got time on my side, but to get that luck to be here and to take that opportunity is just amazing, and I guess it sums up cricket really."
Dom Bess

"I was in India a few weeks ago with Herath, which was an unbelievable experience and really helped me. Picking the brains of someone with that knowledge and who is that good in those conditions is crucial.

"I get told a lot that I always want to try and bowl magic balls… this is where I'm starting to mature and realise that it is about building it up bit by bit.

"I'm really happy with how I went here because I felt like I built up pressure and produced chances along the way. That is what I'm looking for, the whole package. I'd love to be taking four or five wickets and being the man, but if I am producing consistently, then that will come another day."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1564545
 
England off-spinner Dom Bess is not concerned by his failure to take wickets on the final day of the first Test against West Indies.

Bess, 22, took 2-51 in the first innings but ended 0-31 in the second as the tourists won by four wickets.

"I'm attacking both edges and my consistency and accuracy where I'm landing it is dangerous," said Bess.

"If I get picked at Old Trafford, hopefully we'll get a big score and I can spin a couple out."

When England won the toss for the first Test at Southampton's Ageas Bowl, stand-in captain Ben Stokes chose to bat first in the hope the pitch would deteriorate and bring Bess into the game in the fourth innings.

Instead, West Indies chased down 200 to take a 1-0 lead in the three-match series.

"Every experience is going to be good," the Somerset spinner said.

"People talk about the pressure being on you as a spinner on the last day but I actually flip it around; it's a great opportunity.

"It's probably in your favour a little bit more and that's how I look at it. When it spins, it's my time to shine and stand up for the side."

Bess returned to the England squad in their winter tour of South Africa after an 18-month hiatus following his debut series against Pakistan in 2018.

He took eight wickets in two Tests and has edged past county team-mate Jack Leach to become England's first-choice spinner.

"I'm not taking it as a guarantee. I know Jack Leach is behind me and I know how hard he's worked," said Bess.

"I've had to fight for my spot for a long time. Potentially at the moment it's a different feeling but it's just about making sure I do what I can control.

"There's no rivalry with it, we're helping each other to be as good as we can for the England side and that's a great place to be."

West Indies arrived in the UK on 9 June and trained at Emirates Old Trafford before travelling to Southampton for last week's first Test.

Touring sides generally have limited preparation time before Test series but the coronavirus pandemic, and the need for a period of isolation after arriving in the UK, presented the tourists with extra time to get ready for this series.

They arrived with a larger squad to ensure competitive practice games between each other, and that is one of the reasons for their performance in the first Test, according to coach Phil Simmons.

"It was a great win, it signified a lot of hard work done by the players over the last four or five weeks," he said.

"The fact we've been here for a long period time, we have had 11 seamers with us, it's something we have to look at.

"That period of training goes a long way to how we performed."

The second Test begins at Emirates Old Trafford on Thursday, where Windies skipper Jason Holder will walk out ranked as the second-best bowler in the world, according to the latest International Cricket Council Test match bowling rankings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/53404975
 
England off-spinner Dom Bess is not concerned by his failure to take wickets on the final day of the first Test against West Indies.

Bess, 22, took 2-51 in the first innings but ended 0-31 in the second as the tourists won by four wickets.

"I'm attacking both edges and my consistency and accuracy where I'm landing it is dangerous," said Bess.

"If I get picked at Old Trafford, hopefully we'll get a big score and I can spin a couple out."

When England won the toss for the first Test at Southampton's Ageas Bowl, stand-in captain Ben Stokes chose to bat first in the hope the pitch would deteriorate and bring Bess into the game in the fourth innings.

Instead, West Indies chased down 200 to take a 1-0 lead in the three-match series.

"Every experience is going to be good," the Somerset spinner said.

"People talk about the pressure being on you as a spinner on the last day but I actually flip it around; it's a great opportunity.

"It's probably in your favour a little bit more and that's how I look at it. When it spins, it's my time to shine and stand up for the side."

Bess returned to the England squad in their winter tour of South Africa after an 18-month hiatus following his debut series against Pakistan in 2018.

He took eight wickets in two Tests and has edged past county team-mate Jack Leach to become England's first-choice spinner.

"I'm not taking it as a guarantee. I know Jack Leach is behind me and I know how hard he's worked," said Bess.

"I've had to fight for my spot for a long time. Potentially at the moment it's a different feeling but it's just about making sure I do what I can control.

"There's no rivalry with it, we're helping each other to be as good as we can for the England side and that's a great place to be."

West Indies arrived in the UK on 9 June and trained at Emirates Old Trafford before travelling to Southampton for last week's first Test.

Touring sides generally have limited preparation time before Test series but the coronavirus pandemic, and the need for a period of isolation after arriving in the UK, presented the tourists with extra time to get ready for this series.

They arrived with a larger squad to ensure competitive practice games between each other, and that is one of the reasons for their performance in the first Test, according to coach Phil Simmons.

"It was a great win, it signified a lot of hard work done by the players over the last four or five weeks," he said.

"The fact we've been here for a long period time, we have had 11 seamers with us, it's something we have to look at.

"That period of training goes a long way to how we performed."

The second Test begins at Emirates Old Trafford on Thursday, where Windies skipper Jason Holder will walk out ranked as the second-best bowler in the world, according to the latest International Cricket Council Test match bowling rankings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/53404975

Only seen him once but he appears to be a mediocre spinner. Has no special quality. Would be a great addition to the team as a batting allrounder who can chip in with tight overs to provide control to the captain. However with limited batting ability, adding him as the main spinner is a recipe for disaster.

He is young though, so he can work on his bowling and improve. But certainly at the moment, he does not look to be anywhere near good enough to be a specialist spinner. England should bring back Moeen or add Woakes and Root can bowl his spinners.
 
Hasn't been great lately. But, being a spinner in England is generally not very easy.
 
Leach please. He averages under thirty in tests and will have a lot of right ganders to bowl at.
 
Didn't bowl badly at all. Was unlucky not to get two marginal decisions his way and Stokes messed up by wrongly anticipating a catch at slip. Cant expect more from an off spinner . However, leach will so better considering Windies have all right handers.
 
Well he will be bowling last on a track which is very dry and started breaking up on day one.
 
He was quite effective with the bat. I thought England would get all-out for 430 or something. He took the score to 469.
 
I'm sure our batsmen will make him look like Shane Warne during the upcoming Test series.
 
Chopping and changing sends out the wrong message to every one concerned, even though for me moin ali is the best test spinner in the country I feel Bess deserves the whole summer of tests.
 
I'm sure our batsmen will make him look like Shane Warne during the upcoming Test series.

Pak generally has been playing off spinners pretty decently in tests over the last few years but you never know.
 
Dom Bess into the attack in the 33rd over, after not bowling a ball in the final Test vs Windies. Will he be dangerous in this innings?
 
Looks very impressive and almost had shan out
 
He’s just too inexperienced. Being good as a regular off spinner is the hardest thing
 
I don't know what England see in this guy. He keeps on getting selected. Where is Leach?

He has been worse than Moeen Ali.
 
Only seen him once but he appears to be a mediocre spinner. Has no special quality. Would be a great addition to the team as a batting allrounder who can chip in with tight overs to provide control to the captain. However with limited batting ability, adding him as the main spinner is a recipe for disaster.

He is young though, so he can work on his bowling and improve. But certainly at the moment, he does not look to be anywhere near good enough to be a specialist spinner. England should bring back Moeen or add Woakes and Root can bowl his spinners.

Second time watching him and I’m getting the same feeling.

Ofcourse a long way to go in the match - and if any team can, Pakistan could implode against him and make him into a star - but he doesn’t seem to match the quality of the rest of the English team.

As a Pak fan, I’m glad he’s in the side as opposed to another batsmen. I’d be even more glad if he’s kept in for the whole series at the expense of a pacer.
 
Mo is a lot more proven and especially at home and Leach is great to, then there's Rash in the limited forms. Bess doesn't belong at this level in any format at this stage, his selection is a little too ambitious; then again you take the good with the bad with the radical selections by English standards
 
Moeen Ali over him every single day of the week/month/year. :))
 
Bess causing a couple problems for the left-hander Shan, but other than that has looked quite average and ineffective, and only bowling at this point due to bad light.
 
I don't know what England see in this guy. He keeps on getting selected. Where is Leach?

He has been worse than Moeen Ali.

Moeen has 177 test wickets including a tenfer. He averages 20 in the fourth innings. Don’t underestimate him.
 
Leach is their best spinner for Tests by a good margin. Strange that he hasn't been picked.
 
YORKSHIRE CONFIRM SIGNING OF BESS ON FOUR-YEAR-DEAL

The Yorkshire County Cricket Club is delighted to confirm that Dom Bess will join on a permanent deal from the 2021 season.

Bess, who enjoyed a loan spell with Yorkshire in 2019, has penned a four-year deal, keeping him at Emerald Headingley until October 2024.

The Exeter-born off-spinner made his Test debut for England against Pakistan in 2018 and has gone on to play in ten Test Matches. Yorkshire’s newest acquisition has played 47 First Class matches to date and has taken 129 wickets.

Although the signing of Bess will strengthen the club’s spin options from next season, the 23-year-old has a proven ability to add valuable runs with the bat, already having a Test half-century and First Class hundred to his name.

Yorkshire’s newest acquisition impressed during a loan spell at Emerald Headingley in 2019, taking 11 wickets and scoring 164 runs. Arguably Bess’ most notable performance came at home to Essex, claiming three wickets and scoring a composed 91 not out in the Specsavers County Championship.

Speaking about his return to the White Rose on a permanent deal, Bess said: “A club like Yorkshire, it’s a massive club with a lot of history behind it. It is very exciting for me to commit four years to Yorkshire and hopefully I can add a little bit to the squad.

“Certainly in terms of understanding the club, I think it (loan spell) was a great option. I certainly think understanding how the club runs and how the lads are is really important. For me, this is a great opportunity and somewhere I am really excited to join.

“Hopefully the opportunities I can get at Yorkshire will develop my learning to kick on and play international cricket for a long time. That is the ultimate goal, but I also want to be part of a Yorkshire side that are again winning championships.

“I want us to be pushing for one day and T20 success as well. Last year, I certainly got the hint that the club want to push for the T20 and 50 over competition.

“I think that it is a great opportunity for me to develop my white ball skills and show that I’m a three dimensional player. I think that white ball really shows that.

“It will be really important to get some trophies and certainly the county championship back at Yorkshire.”

Martyn Moxon, The Yorkshire County Cricket Club’s Director of Cricket said: “We are thrilled that Dom will be joining us on a permanent deal from next season.

“Dom has showed his quality and potential this year with England, and made a huge impression at Yorkshire during his loan spell last season.

“The signing of Dom will bolster our spin options but it also gives us more batting depth down the order. Dom will be a key asset to the Club across all formats, and will add further strength to the young and exciting squad that is being assembled.”
 
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