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England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Pre-Match Discussion

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Cpt. Rishwat said:
The Times reporter reckoned that James Anderson will be licking his lips at the prospect of Shan Masood keeping his place in the side. Even by Pakistan batting standards he's a complete dud.
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if shan masood was a bowler he'd be 'handy with the bat'
 
tauseef_mahmood said:
would be exciting .... if true. what a stage to prove your mettle and even if he scores a 40, will be good enough for him.
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He looks very stylish when playing his strokes. Similar to what you said, hopefully he has the mental strength to get a decent knock or two.

I remember Inzi bhai once saying, he made 20 on ODI debut and he went back to the dugout and thought he was going to get told off and not selected for the next game, but Imran Khan told him that his 20 was class to watch and he has a big future, that gave him the confidence to push on.

That sort of thinking doesn’t exist anymore, you could look good at the crease but unless you get some runs under your belt everyone is calling for your head. Genuinely think we need to give the guy a bit of a run in the side – and those that argue against it, what better options do we have?
 
Rahat deserves to play since he was our best bowler in the practice game. Third seamer is still a problem. Id open with Azhar and replace Shan with Rizwan. Its time Asad gets a promotion
 
506 out of 762 runs for England in Manchester were from Cook and Root.

We need to use the new ball much better and not allow these two to settle. Cook especially has a weakness when you bowl fuller and outside off. Root is such a complete batsman, but can throw his wicket away if he gets bogged down at the crease and gets frustrated.
 
Its gonna be a wash out most days i think, raining persistantly all day.

Doesnt mean pak wont loose becos anderson wont need too much time to bowl pak out under clouds. Pak will have to work hard to get a draw.

However, looks unlikely that pak can win this test with time lost to rain.
 
zoro said:
Its gonna be a wash out most days i think, raining persistantly all day.

Doesnt mean pak wont loose becos anderson wont need too much time to bowl pak out under clouds. Pak will have to work hard to get a draw.

However, looks unlikely that pak can win this test with time lost to rain.
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It's good that this one is rained out. This is England's fortress, they never lose at Edgbaston. However the next one is at Oval, and we have won thrice in the last four tours to the Oval.
 
Syed1 said:
It's good that this one is rained out. This is England's fortress, they never lose at Edgbaston. However the next one is at Oval, and we have won thrice in the last four tours to the Oval.
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Good point!
Lets hope this match is a washout and go to a decider at the oval, where you may laugh but i think younis will score a match winning century in our second innings. Unlikely i know, but i feel it in my bones( or i may just be getting the flu).
 
zoro said:
Good point!
Lets hope this match is a washout and go to a decider at the oval, where you may laugh but i think younis will score a match winning century in our second innings. Unlikely i know, but i feel it in my bones( or i may just be getting the flu).
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Ap ke moh mein ghee, shakkar, gulab jaman, gajjar ka halwa, kheer, rasmalai aur roof afza.
 
Syed1 said:
It's good that this one is rained out. This is England's fortress, they never lose at Edgbaston. However the next one is at Oval, and we have won thrice in the last four tours to the Oval.
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I take it the loss came in 2006 when inzi forfeited the match.
A match which we were about to win until the darrel hair(not sure how to spell the guys name) incident cost us the match!

So really we should have won the last 4 out of 4 games there!
 
If Pakistan decide to play the same side they'll lose the match, if not the series too.

There, I've said it.

/Pakistan Test Tour
 
Weather forecast isn't too bad, so Pak can't rely on rain to help them out.

These guys are professional sportsmen, need to stand up and be counted.
 
Sherlock said:
If Pakistan decide to play the same side they'll lose the match, if not the series too.

There, I've said it.

/Pakistan Test Tour
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I think everyone would agree with you, the problem is uncle inzi has selected much back up.
 
On_the_up said:
Weather forecast isn't too bad, so Pak can't rely on rain to help them out.

These guys are professional sportsmen, need to stand up and be counted.
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You are right. Ive checked weather forcast,
And even though its been raining all day, today, wed - sundayis predicted to be cloudy but mostly dry. The worse result for us CLOUDY i.e. anderson.
 
Syed1 said:
It's good that this one is rained out. This is England's fortress, they never lose at Edgbaston. However the next one is at Oval, and we have won thrice in the last four tours to the Oval.
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And that one loss was a forfiet
 
zoro said:
You are right. Ive checked weather forcast,
And even though its been raining all day, today, wed - sundayis predicted to be cloudy but mostly dry. The worse result for us CLOUDY i.e. anderson.
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The forecast predicted rain throughout the previous Test, can't rely on it.
 
zoro said:
You are right. Ive checked weather forcast,
And even though its been raining all day, today, wed - sundayis predicted to be cloudy but mostly dry. The worse result for us CLOUDY i.e. anderson.
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Well that should help Amir too, right?

But plenty of times there will be no orthodox swing under cloudy skies, if it is cool. What you need is warm rising moist air. That's why it usually swings in SL.
 
Robert said:
Well that should help Amir too, right?

But plenty of times there will be no orthodox swing under cloudy skies, if it is cool. What you need is warm rising moist air. That's why it usually swings in SL.
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Amir isnt swinging much and i doubt he will , it will take him some time to get into the grove. Anderson will swing even with minimal of help.
 
Robert said:
Well that should help Amir too, right?

But plenty of times there will be no orthodox swing under cloudy skies, if it is cool. What you need is warm rising moist air. That's why it usually swings in SL.
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But it is warm for uk .
approx 20 degrees for all 5 days of the test match plus cloud cover.

Yes it should help amir as well, but anderson is king of swing in the uk!
 
Adijazz1706 said:
The forecast predicted rain throughout the previous Test, can't rely on it.
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Not throughout the previous test, but intermittent rain during the test match and there was.

Generally, the uk met office are pretty good with their weather forcasts .
 
Sherlock said:
If Pakistan decide to play the same side they'll lose the match, if not the series too.

There, I've said it.

/Pakistan Test Tour
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Highly doubt if legends like Imran, Sohail, Iftikhar, Rizwan or Sami are going to alter the result.

We should accept the inevitable now. We have had our moment in the sun already, i.e. Lord's.
 
Mamoon said:
Highly doubt if legends like Imran, Sohail, Iftikhar, Rizwan or Sami are going to alter the result.

We should accept the inevitable now. We have had our moment in the sun already, i.e. Lord's.
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What do you prefer?

You being proved right or Pakistan win?
 
Wil be another comfortable win for England.

Only way Pak can beat them is if the pitc is turning square and that isn't going to happen.

If it's a good batting track root and cook will make hay where the the Pak batting will continue to snick off
 
My team for tomorrows test

Azhar
safraz
misbah
younis
shafiq
Hafeez
yasir
amir
sohail
rahat
ik

Ive dropped shaan and wahab.
was tempted to play sami aslam but really tough place to get int debut.
l know our batting is weak, but chacha inzi hasnt selected any decent back up batsmen, so what can i do?
So, ive gone with 5 bowlers and rejig the batting order, as i dont think we have any batters of quality in the squad(sami is unknown, but rizwan and chacha ifti are not gonna make much of an impact!) , so lets go with our strengths and strengthen our bowling. We need good opening spell as cook, hales and root are in top 3.
Start with amir and sohail.
first change rahat and ik.
yasir used to control runs and blow away tail.

If england bat first, we have to restrict their scoring with our bowling attack, then we have a chance, but if england score big , then we are in trouble.
If we bat first, then back to misbahs M.O. and try to score big, but will be difficult, as edgbaston wont be a flat pitch like lords and anderson is in the team with his favourite weather forcast!
 
There will be enough grass left to cause the batsman some problems on the first two days then conditions will flatten out and give the spinners a bit of assistance as the pitch wears. More then anything it will be criminal if Pakistan do not have 5 bowlers, I believe it's am even bigger problem then the typical issues at the top of the order. I'd like to see everyone move up a position to accommodate a 5th bowling option. Masood will have to make way. In the end it's all up to Misbah and he's not known to make too many alterations.
 
I have got the tickets for the first three days. I live in harborne quite close to Edgbaston. The weather has been overcast for the last few days and is expected to remain the same for the next 2-3 days. It will br tricky for Pakistan what to do if they win toss because batting wont be easy in the first session and a half tomorrow and Pakistan would be reluctant to put England in as it nullifies Shah who is their only hope.
Well my Indian colleagues have already predicted an England victory my a big margin but I have a gut feeling that we may lose but it may not be that one sided
 
If Pak can barrel score 200 on the flat deck of old trafford what chance do they have at edgbaston.

Game will be over in 3 days
 
PP is full of doom and gloom - with prayers of rain in between :)

Last time PP was doom and gloom was before India match in World T20. They were proven right.
 
Interested to see what England will do if they win the toss. Usually confident teams on the back of a big win prefer to bat first
 
The break would have done the Pak team good.

Stokes will be a big loss for England.

Providing conditions are helpful, I have a feeling Amir will do well in this match. Just need Cook and/or Root early in England's first inns and Pak are right in the match.

Yes yes, Pak's batting will always be their Achilles heel, but Ali/Younis/Misbah/Shafiq are decent players and 300+ should keep them competitive.

The series is nicely set up. The next 2 tests will be a good barometer for the new coaching staff and the direction this team is heading.
 
Mamoon said:
Highly doubt if legends like Imran, Sohail, Iftikhar, Rizwan or Sami are going to alter the result.

We should accept the inevitable now. We have had our moment in the sun already, i.e. Lord's.
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Not even that. I expected at least 2-3 names from the A squad to get a chance to showcase what they could do in the Test arena having been playing in England already.

The option off the bench are hardly anything to get excited about either but a right-arm bowler might've changed the dynamics of the attack.

Ehsan Adil would've been perfect for these conditions and his "wobbly seam."
 
Pete Rose said:
Interested to see what England will do if they win the toss. Usually confident teams on the back of a big win prefer to bat first
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They will send us in if they win the toss, there will be fresh grass to exploit.
 
The fact they added Finn to the team especially after the test match he had at Lords points at signs towards a green mamba. So the toss becomes extra important, i don't think there will be any sun in the first two days so i would swing towards bowling first.

team wise my advise is not to panic too much and add in a right arm seamer in the team. Also looking at the wicket Shaan might become an issue it might be worth pushing Azhar up as an opener and adding a middle order batsman in Ifthikar or Rizwan
 
Sherlock said:
Not even that. I expected at least 2-3 names from the A squad to get a chance to showcase what they could do in the Test arena having been playing in England already.

The option off the bench are hardly anything to get excited about either but a right-arm bowler might've changed the dynamics of the attack.

Ehsan Adil would've been perfect for these conditions and his "wobbly seam."
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While pak should have kept an open mind about their A squad we can't really argue against them, such players were sent to gain experience in English conditions in order to aid their development so why would they throw them at the deep end which could also prove to backfire and hurt their careers moving forward. I think a case could possibly be made for Azam given that he has had exposure to international cricket but even for him it would be a big ask, it is unfortunate that Azar is not scoring any runs, we invested in him the absolute perfect way. Built him up in the UAE, gained valuable experience at the test level yet he still failed; shafiq has done well in contrast but he has failed to convert his scores to hundreds.

Hassan Ali is one for the future but it would be unfair to expect him to do the job for us in his debut Test series away from home no exposure to international cricket etc just recall what happened the last time we toured England with an inexperienced squad. The options off the bench should certainly be questioned and it's a big shame Ehsan was not selected
 
It will be a green mamba fellas. England are coming all guns blazing.

Come on Misbah with the toss and send the English to bat.
 
Edgbaston is like Gabba. Expect more swing than old trafford but slightly less bounce. The overcast conditions will help seam bowlers like Woakes and Anderson. The only chance Pakistan has is to win toss put England in and hope Aamir performs the same way he did in the last tour. While batting Pakistan has to make the old ball count. If they go 2.5 rpo in the first 30 overs they should score 3.5 rpo with the old ball. The last thing we want is scoring 200/5 in 80 overs and exposing your tail to the new ball. They should make atleast 300 runs before the second new ball
 
It's gonna be cloudy all day. No chance of rain. But with Pakistan's brittle batting, we can't chase. We have to bat first
 
So according to well known sources, Shan's time is done and Sami will debut in the worst venue on the tour for his first game outside Asia... :facepalm: way to put a 20 year old dude under pressure.

So this will be it:

1) Hafeez
2) Sami
3) Azhar
4) Ballerina
5) Misbah
6) Asad
7) Sarfraz +
8) Yasir
9) Amir
10) Imran
11) Rahat
 
silent ischemia said:
Edgbaston is like Gabba. Expect more swing than old trafford but slightly less bounce. The overcast conditions will help seam bowlers like Woakes and Anderson. The only chance Pakistan has is to win toss put England in and hope Aamir performs the same way he did in the last tour. While batting Pakistan has to make the old ball count. If they go 2.5 rpo in the first 30 overs they should score 3.5 rpo with the old ball. The last thing we want is scoring 200/5 in 80 overs and exposing your tail to the new ball. They should make atleast 300 runs before the second new ball
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Edgbaston is not like the gabba!
Its just a normal pitch i.e. a true pitch with a little bounce.
Not a flat pitch like lords and old trafford have been.
Guys need to stop getting carried away. Theres no demons in the edgbaston pitch

Cloud cover expected so the ball should swing, so anderson and woakes will pose a real big threat.
T his is woakes home ground, so he might produce somethng extra.
 
Suleiman said:
So according to well known sources, Shan's time is done and Sami will debut in the worst venue on the tour for his first game outside Asia... :facepalm: way to put a 20 year old dude under pressure.

So this will be it:

1) Hafeez
2) Sami
3) Azhar
4) Ballerina
5) Misbah
6) Asad
7) Sarfraz +
8) Yasir
9) Amir
10) Imran
11) Rahat
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Imran over Sohail, then?
 
If Pakistan bat first, and they last the day without being bowled out, we have a chance.

I have a bad feeling, that we'll be 130 either all out or 8 down by tea.

Poor Sami. Not fair on him to have to begin his career with that pace attack in those conditions but sink or swim.

Sidenote/Unrelated: Whatever happened to Zulqurnain Haider after the last tour and his fixing drama? I'd play him in the top three based on how hard he worked at the crease and take him over our current keeper any day.
 
Suleiman said:
So according to well known sources, Shan's time is done and Sami will debut in the worst venue on the tour for his first game outside Asia... :facepalm: way to put a 20 year old dude under pressure.

So this will be it:

1) Hafeez
2) Sami
3) Azhar
4) Ballerina
5) Misbah
6) Asad
7) Sarfraz +
8) Yasir
9) Amir
10) Imran
11) Rahat
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First of all the edgbaston pitch has no demons in it , its just a true pitch with a bit of bounce and with the cloud cover will allow for swing, it certainly isnt headingley or durham.

As far as the team goes, the changes only seem cosmetic.
sami for shan is just a like for like change
ik is slow but accurate whereas wahab is fast and wayward. Both, however, usually only take 1 - 2 wickets an inning, so no big overall change there.

Therefore, no real change overall in team. I think they should have gone with 5 bowlers, with sohail instead of sami, and went on the attack and try to limit england to around a score of 200, which we can possibly match, either batting first or second. In their final innings yasir should come into effect i.e. yasir + 2 leftis and 2 rights would be very difficult for england to cope with.
 
zoro said:
First of all the edgbaston pitch has no demons in it , its just a true pitch with a bit of bounce and with the cloud cover will allow for swing, it certainly isnt headingley or durham.

As far as the team goes, the changes only seem cosmetic.
sami for shan is just a like for like change
ik is slow but accurate whereas wahab is fast and wayward. Both, however, usually only take 1 - 2 wickets an inning, so no big overall change there.

Therefore, no real change overall in team. I think they should have gone with 5 bowlers, with sohail instead of sami, and went on the attack and try to limit england to around a score of 200, which we can possibly match, either batting first or second. In their final innings yasir should come into effect i.e. yasir + 2 leftis and 2 rights would be very difficult for england to cope with.
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It's the worst place to play because of England's impeccable record there. Lords would've been the best place for Sami to debut as that was the most Asian batsman friendly conditions, but that time is gone. Would've been better off recruiting someone from the A team as those guys are more acclimatized to the conditions than a Sami Aslam who has been collecting dust for a month save for a random 2 day "game".

Sohail Khan is even worse than Wahab. He is thoroughly average, at least Wahab can look like a threat at times.
 
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Mamoon said:
Highly doubt if legends like Imran, Sohail, Iftikhar, Rizwan or Sami are going to alter the result.

We should accept the inevitable now. We have had our moment in the sun already, i.e. Lord's.
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We dont need legends for a win, just need good players and combination.
 
Suleiman said:
It's the worst place to play because of England's impeccable record there. Lords would've been the best place for Sami to debut as that was the most Asian batsman friendly conditions, but that time is gone. Would've been better off recruiting someone from the A team as those guys are more acclimatized to the conditions than a Sami Aslam who has been collecting dust for a month save for a random 2 day "game".

Sohail Khan is even worse than Wahab. He is thoroughly average, at least Wahab can look like a threat at times.
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Agree that lords would have been better for sami to debut but shan was higher up in the pecking order, so got first crack.

Seriously, edgbaston is a good true pitch, offers some bounce and the ball will swing with the cloud cover, provided you have the skills to swing the ball.
Trust me, englands record is good at edgbaston for those reasons not becos its got demons., i should know its my local ground! Its also woakes local ground, so be careful, as he might do something special.

Sohail is better than wahab because he can swing/ seam the new ball which wahab cant. Wahab only reverse swings the old ball slightly, so is ineffective for the first 50 overs , allowing cook and root to set up stall.
Cook and root are in top 3 for england, so we need to attack hard at the start to get rid of these 2 and if we are successful we will seriously damage englands chances. So attack with amir and sohail followed by rahat and ik. Use yasir for control and for englands 2nd innings.
 
Weather update!

Rained abit overnight. At the moment(5 hours before start of play) dry but damp and cloudy.
 
zoro said:
Weather update!

Rained abit overnight. At the moment(5 hours before start of play) dry but damp and cloudy.
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If it is like that at 10.30 I would play sohail Rahat and amir and bowl first. Got to try and knock them over for 200
 
Abdullah said:
If it is like that at 10.30 I would play sohail Rahat and amir and bowl first. Got to try and knock them over for 200
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EXACTLY BRO!

I would even consider ik as well and go with 5 man bowling attack and drop shan and wahab.
Our best chance is to restrict them to around 200 and get as close as we can. Then unlease yasir in their second innings.
 
Will be travelling during the first half of the match today. I hope Pakistani team does not disappoints though.
 
Will be at work for most of the day. Sky sports news reporter at the ground said expect a football type atmosphere. So should be a well attended match
 
Don't think sami will debut , I won't play him after only one innings in england. Shan should be able to score some now.
 
Misbah must experiment with the inclusion of Sami Aslam and sohail in the team in place of Shaan Masood and Wahab riaz respectively.

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This is a guy playing his 2nd Test and we are worried about guys who have played more than 100 :facepalm:


 
Hasan123 said:
Will be at work for most of the day. Sky sports news reporter at the ground said expect a football type atmosphere. So should be a well attended match
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Dont know about a good crowd on a wednesday but certainly on sat/sun if the match lasts that long or if it doesnt rain.
 
zoro said:
EXACTLY BRO!

I would even consider ik as well and go with 5 man bowling attack and drop shan and wahab.
Our best chance is to restrict them to around 200 and get as close as we can. Then unlease yasir in their second innings.
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Thing is that it is going to be hard for both teams to say they want to bowl first just coz first session may be difficult so it could be a good toss to lose
 
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