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Last match of another ODI series and we're trying to avoid a whitewash again :13:

Looks like Abid may get a game due to Imam's bruised elbow, not sure if Amir will make it though.
 
Don't see how we can win the way we are bowling at the moment. Still gonna get up and watch though because you just never know with Pakistan!
 
If Abid isn't going to be in your wc then there is no reason why he should play. So let Haris bat at no.3 and babar can open with fakhar.
 
Amir has recovered well but not 100 percent yet. As per media reports he is feeling weakness and need one week to take the field.
 
Last match of another ODI series and we're trying to avoid a whitewash again :13:

Looks like Abid may get a game due to Imam's bruised elbow, not sure if Amir will make it though.

They will probably bring back Haris Sohail and open with Babar Azam. If Abid scores a century their agenda will be destroyed and what answer will they give the public?
 
Last match of another ODI series and we're trying to avoid a whitewash again :13:

Looks like Abid may get a game due to Imam's bruised elbow, not sure if Amir will make it though.
We will win this one :)

They will probably bring back Haris Sohail and open with Babar Azam. If Abid scores a century their agenda will be destroyed and what answer will they give the public?

There is no agenda but common sense ! Openers need to play as many matches as possible in these conditions before WC especially when bulk of runs are made by our top 4 having very weak lower order!
 
Trevor Bayliss has said that England will play their strongest side. Good prep for Pakistan
 
historically with england, whether football or cricket they have good momentum going to tournaments and then the end up choking.

The ODI heavily favour the batters, they give nothing to the bowlers, we have t20's we dont need this it should be even for both batters and bowlers.

Headingley tomorrow pakistan have a chance, just keep junaid away from the team.
 
Trevor Bayliss has said that England will play their strongest side. Good prep for Pakistan

england have peaked too soon, any of the test playing nations can beat each other on a giving day, eventually eng will lose.

I think when Hafeez and Malik play both give balance to the team as both can bowl economical overs.

It simple get Roy and Root early and you in the game..
 
I have a bad feeling that they will bench Haris in the game against WI on Sunday to fit Hafeez or Malik or both and that would be disastrous . .

for me, come 31st of May, Pak's line up needs to be :

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Hafeez (I am not convinced of Asif's batting yet . . especially against Aus, SA, NZ . . teams taht have a bit of pace . . but I'd induct him in the squad)
Imad
Shadab
Hasan
Amir (after seeing junaid bowl . . I'd have Amir 10/10 times over him)
Shaheen (needs a kick up his back side . . take his pace back up to 87 88 . .not sure whats goingon with him . . wonder if he is hiding an injury)
 
Fakhar
Imam/Abid
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Asif
Imad
Hasan
Hasnain
Afridi
 
Something occurred to me while watching yesterday's match. Let's say Safraz is guilty of slow over rates in one of the WC matches and is suspended for a match like Morgan was. Who keeps?
 
Asif needs to learn from Stokes on how to close a game.

I think he believes he needs to slog every ball.

5 singles and boundary/six per over is good enough...
 
Something occurred to me while watching yesterday's match. Let's say Safraz is guilty of slow over rates in one of the WC matches and is suspended for a match like Morgan was. Who keeps?

Abid Ali is the back up keeper.
 
Something occurred to me while watching yesterday's match. Let's say Safraz is guilty of slow over rates in one of the WC matches and is suspended for a match like Morgan was. Who keeps?

Fakhar
 
1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Abid Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Hafeez
6. Asif Ali
7. Sarfaraz
8. Imad Wasim
9. Hassan Ali
10. Shaheen
11. Hasnain
 
sarfraz has to go. Biggest passenger in the team with non existent power hitting skills. The days of playing as a specialist wk and captain are long gone. get a mediocre keeper who can hit and make someone else the captain.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir has been given the all-clear by the doctors. He has started training and if needed will re-join the Pakistan squad on Monday <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1129775433145344001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir has been given the all-clear by the doctors. He has started training and if needed will re-join the Pakistan squad on Monday <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1129775433145344001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Why Monday??
 
Not looking good for us only plus point we sre getting used to conditions otherwise cant see hkw this team will defend against the Bangla Tigers
 
Mohammad Amir won't play tomorrow, he is feeling weak. Imam might also be given rest for complete recovery.

Let's see if Pakistan goes with their full strength team with available players like England, or try Abid and make a shootout between Junaid and Faheem for who gets dropped.

Full strength XI will allow Babar to finally open, which looks natural to him but will be a issue if he scores big, when Imam returns.

Team

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Babar Azam
3) Haris Sohail
4) Mohammad Hafeez
5) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
6) Shoaib Malik
7) Asif Ali
8) Imad Wasim
9) Hasan Ali
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Mohammad Hasnain

Abid, Faheem and Junaid can play instead of Haris, Hasan and Shaheen.
 
Fakhar Zaman
Mohammad Hafeez
Babar Azam
Shoaib Malik
Sarfraz Ahmed(wk)(c)
Asif Ali
Imad Wasim
Hassan Ali
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Hasnain
 
Abid Ali needs to be in the squad , he is back up WK. Pakistan needs to have one more option , if Sarfaraz gets injured he can come in.
 
Abid Ali needs to be in the squad , he is back up WK. Pakistan needs to have one more option , if Sarfaraz gets injured he can come in.

Who can they drop?

Shoaib Malik deserved that, but I think his 41 of 26 balls and 1 wicket with good economy has sealed his spot.
 
1.Babar Azam
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Haris Sohail
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Shoaib Malik
7.Asif Ali
8.Imad Wasim
9.Mohammad Hasnain
10.Hasan Ali
11.Junaid Khan

No point giving Abid a game if Asif is coming in for him.
 
1.Babar Azam
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Haris Sohail
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Shoaib Malik
7.Asif Ali
8.Imad Wasim
9.Mohammad Hasnain
10.Hasan Ali
11.Junaid Khan

No point giving Abid a game if Asif is coming in for him.

Why not Shaheen instead of junaid?
 
Why not Shaheen instead of junaid?

I want Junaid to get smashed so Shinwari comes in.

Ideally only one of Shaheen and Hasnain should have been selected but our fans and management are extremely dumb.
 
I want Junaid to get smashed so Shinwari comes in.

Ideally only one of Shaheen and Hasnain should have been selected but our fans and management are extremely dumb.

Don't think Shaheen and hasnain are even close. One was the the second highest wicket taker in the pak sa series and has played A LOT of cricket and one is extremely raw and has barely played cricket.
 
Don't think Shaheen and hasnain are even close. One was the the second highest wicket taker in the pak sa series and has played A LOT of cricket and one is extremely raw and has barely played cricket.

Point being both are extremely new, it be one thing if Shaheen had played for over 2 years but he has only been a regular in the team for about 8 months... Not even a year.
 
Honestly, I'd rather have fakhar and babar open and Haris at no.3 for the world cup. Imam is too slow and I think babar can use the powerplay better than Imam.

So,

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Sarfaraz
Malik
Asif
Imad
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
 
1.Babar Azam
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Haris Sohail
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Shoaib Malik
7.Asif Ali
8.Imad Wasim
9.Mohammad Hasnain
10.Hasan Ali
11.Junaid Khan

No point giving Abid a game if Asif is coming in for him.

Abid Ali is probably twice the bat Asif Ali is and I'm sure can also hit out when needed. Shame that we will remove him from the WC squad. I remember Saeed Anwar was not selected for one of the world cup even though he was doing really well in domestic and highly rated.
 
Abid Ali is probably twice the bat Asif Ali is and I'm sure can also hit out when needed. Shame that we will remove him from the WC squad. I remember Saeed Anwar was not selected for one of the world cup even though he was doing really well in domestic and highly rated.

Different roles.

Plus I think Asif Ali can be utilised as a bowling option but our think tank is too dumb to realise it.
 
I am watching highlights of the 4th ODI and Mark Nicholas and Geoff Boycott are commentating?
 
Hopefully Pakistan will be inspired to win in God's own county of Yorkshire.
 
Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Asif Ali
Sarfraz WK
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Wahab


This is a deadly lineup, Shinwari, Wahab, Hassan Ali could be destructive , with Shadab as a genuine middle overs threat.

Babar, Imam could consume most balls to ensure we bat all 50 overs, Malik, Hafeez, Fakhar, Asif Ali can play the shots

Sarfraz I have no words may god be with us because this lad is hopeless
 
I don't think Abid will get in. More likely Haris will be back in with Hafeez or Babar opening.

No point in playing Abid when he isn't in the WC
 
The two sides that Asif will hit in his innings any batsmen will hit when set. Really see no point of him over Abid Ali. Sarfraz maybe not be big hitter but does not waste balls and pushes everyone for two runs per shot. I'm not really sure why posters on his case when he has batted and kept well. His captaincy does not look brilliant because our bowlers are mediocre or inexperienced with exception of Hasan Ali. Expected more from Shaheen Shah, but Husnain has ounces above his weight so far on start of his career.
 
The two sides that Asif will hit in his innings any batsmen will hit when set. Really see no point of him over Abid Ali. Sarfraz maybe not be big hitter but does not waste balls and pushes everyone for two runs per shot. I'm not really sure why posters on his case when he has batted and kept well. His captaincy does not look brilliant because our bowlers are mediocre or inexperienced with exception of Hasan Ali. Expected more from Shaheen Shah, but Husnain has ounces above his weight so far on start of his career.

What are you talking about? Lol

Asif Ali is the firepower we desperately need lower down the order

Sarfaraz has not batted, kept or captained well. Didnt even appeal for run out when he should have. Didnt give hafeez and malik more overs to bowl when pacers were getting spanked.
 
You said he was a poor captain in general terms so I demonstrated how he wasnt.

If you want to move the goal post now then you can

He is a poor captain, any sane person can realise that.
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] bhai -

Any news on Imam? Whether he'll be fit?
 
Imam
Abid +
Haris
Sarfraz * (rest from keeping)
Asif
Malik
Hafeez
Shadab (if fit, else Imad)
Amir (if fit, else Junaid)
Shaheen
Hasnain

Hafeez, Malik and Haris combined to bowl 10 overs.
 
Asif Ali needs to really crack on after getting a 50. It seems like in his head he thinks the job is done.
 
What are you talking about? Lol

Asif Ali is the firepower we desperately need lower down the order

Sarfaraz has not batted, kept or captained well. Didnt even appeal for run out when he should have. Didnt give hafeez and malik more overs to bowl when pacers were getting spanked.

And what are you on about if you think Asif Ali will win you world cup with his two 6s ? Against good bowlers he will not be able to een find scoring singles easy as he is a limited batsman. We do not need tullay baz players but proper batsmen even at low end as Strokes and Curran proved in last games. Going by Abid Ali century against Australia he is more capable of finding boundaries and rotating strike than Asif Ali, but it's mute point as management have made their mind up he will be released from the squad. As for Sarfraz he did not appeal as he thought batsman made his ground and both stumps were down. Mistake in heat of the moment no big deal by someone who has so much on his mind wicket keeping and captaining the side with medioce bowling line up. He bowled Hafeez enough but yes underbowled Malik maybe because his bowling hand was hurt or he wanted better wicket taking option with Pacers, and indeed Hasan Ali and Juniad provided wickets. He has batted well enough considering his limitations as he is originally a wicket keeper and lower order batsman, and not Dhonii or Gilchrist.
 
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The only guy I want out is Imam. Hopefully he stays out with his injury. This could be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan.

Faheem and Junaid are both useless but at least Faheem can field and probably will score about a couple more runs than Junaid.

I'd play this 11.

Zaman
Abid
Babar
Malik
Hafeez
Asif
Faheem
Sarfaraz
Imad
Hassan
Shaheen
 
I'd like to see Abid playing in place of Imam, better to rest Imam. Drop Junaid Khan as well
 
The only guy I want out is Imam. Hopefully he stays out with his injury. This could be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan.

Faheem and Junaid are both useless but at least Faheem can field and probably will score about a couple more runs than Junaid.

I'd play this 11.

Zaman
Abid
Babar
Malik
Hafeez
Asif
Faheem
Sarfaraz
Imad
Hassan
Shaheen

Faheem Ashraf at 7? Are you still under the impression he's an all rounder?

You're showing your lack of cricketing intelligence.
 
If Abid scored a century it would give Mickey Arthur a serious headache. So I feel he will open with Babar in order to keep everything in order so that no one can point fingers at him.
 
If Abid scored a century it would give Mickey Arthur a serious headache. So I feel he will open with Babar in order to keep everything in order so that no one can point fingers at him.

Which is the right thing to do. If Abid is not in their world cup plan then there is no need to play him. Let babar get some more game time.
 
If Abid scored a century it would give Mickey Arthur a serious headache. So I feel he will open with Babar in order to keep everything in order so that no one can point fingers at him.

IF Abid gets a century, that's a big IF...I think that would be wonderful for Pakistan. It will finally put some sense into Mr. Automatic selection that there is someone who is there to grab his spot if he doesn't perform.

Competition is always good. But I want Abid to play at a 100+ strike rate. Tired of these selfish 100's.

And some headaches are good headaches :)
 
IF Abid gets a century, that's a big IF...I think that would be wonderful for Pakistan. It will finally put some sense into Mr. Automatic selection that there is someone who is there to grab his spot if he doesn't perform.

Competition is always good. But I want Abid to play at a 100+ strike rate. Tired of these selfish 100's.

And some headaches are good headaches :)
According to media reports abid ali will not be playing either haris will play one with babar opening or they will open with hafeez and play shaheen.
 
Imam should be rested just as a precaution. Abid should get a chance. Really think we need a backup opener in squad.
 
Imam should be rested just as a precaution. Abid should get a chance. Really think we need a backup opener in squad.

We also need a back up keeper.What will happen if sarfraz is banned for over rate or other circumstances then who will keep for us in the world cup considering they will also boot out abid ali after this series.
 
Babar can open and Hafeez can open... Hell even Sarfraz can open.

Hafeez is awful as an opner. Babar yes but would you want him to bat out of his normal number 3 position? Safaraz is not the same player he was a few years ago.
 
We also need a back up keeper.What will happen if sarfraz is banned for over rate or other circumstances then who will keep for us in the world cup considering they will also boot out abid ali after this series.

Indeed. Abid is a part time keeper so could fill in there also.
 
bid Ali (WK)
Babar
Sarfaraz (needs time in the middle and has to take responsibility)
Asif (Lets try to give him a challenge to bat at 4 and see how he goes about his innings, he will obviously be better at 6 for us in WC but we need to present him challenges that he might have to face in the WC)
Immad (let's try him at 5 for one game and see how it pans out)
Malik (Try him as a finisher at 6 against pace bowling away from his comfort zone)
Hafeez (try him as an out and out hitter)
Faheem (battle for the 5th seamer in the 15)
Shaheen (He is young, give him some space, I am sure he will get better and be back to his best IA)
Hasnain (very raw, but potentially very lethal, I would like to have him in my 15 since we might lack the extra spice).

Hasan (Rested| has been good, but can't lead the attack on his own, and that is why he crumbled in the First 2 games, looked very potent with the new, and I would say that we should give him 3-4 overs upfront.
Amir (He is that pivot around which the bowling will revolve, he provides control and when others crumble, he is likely to be the man for us, the good thing about him is that pressure very rarely gets better of him)
Shaddy (24-carat gold, with him back in the side, we will be able to control the game in the middle overs with our spin trio of immad, hafeez and him, hopefully he will bowl well IA)

Junaid (battle for the 5th seamer in the 15)

I still feel that only one of Imam babar can play, and I am not saying that because I don't like Imam as a cricketer, it's just about team combination.

My WC side would be

Babar
Fakhar
Sarfaraz (he is awful these days, but it might be better to have at the top, than seeing him plunder those monstrous sixes at the back end, #bowlershallhavesomemercy
Shadab/Imad (depending upon the situation, if we loose 2 wickets inside the first 20 overs, than it should be shaddy warna I would use Immad as a pinch hitter to tonk spinners, his hitting ability after the 40th over isn't that convincing. Having Immad at 4 also maintains the L&R combination in the middle overs)
Malik
Hafeez
Asif
Shadab/Imad
Amir
Hasan
Shaheen/Hasnain


This series has provide the ideal preparation to our players, has told us a lot about our strengths and weaknesses, the batting has showed great potential to get big scores, and the bowling obviously will start making an impact when the whole unit is there. Pakistan will be an extremely good bowling side in this WC as a unit (shaddy hafeez in the middle would be vital. I guess hasan should now be getting the new ball, Amir will be our fail safe, and support our gun bowlers (i.e Hasan,shaheen (he still is imo, just needs to swing them like he did it on thos flat decks in SA).

Pakistan have shown great signs in this series, and they are the 2nd favourites after England in this WC.

Fielding has been a disappointment though, if only we can take our catches, we would be a tough nut to crack. I hope that we will see a much better effort in the field when shaddy is back IA
 
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