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South Africa vs Pakistan | 2nd Test | Cape Town | January 03 - 07 | Pre-Match Discussion

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FearlessRoar said:
Pakistan practice ahead of the second Test against South Africa

The national Test squad worked on their batting, bowling, and fielding for three hours, gearing up for the final encounter of the two-match Test series starting on January 3.

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Rizwan practicing on playing a selfish innings to remove Shan from captaincy
 
Rana said:
Bhai he is entitled to everything unlike those who truly deserve in life.
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Look brother, rizwan is the 2nd best odi and test batsmen of all time for a Pakistani batter. In early 2000's he won icc t20 cricketer of the year award.

Will be a good test captain. Afterall he's testing the patience of Pakistani fans who watch him 🤣🤣.
 
boyz , how is the weather forecast & do you fancy a change in bowling line-up of 2 teams ? Jamaal ?
SAF hopefully drop a bat & play Keshav [ if fit ] with Jansen at 7 ...
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Abbas bowled 17-18 overs on the trot in the 2nd innings.

Pakistan should rest him
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I am sure he has gotten plenty of rest in the past few days. Match ended in four days so he got a day off there aswell. No way should he be rested. He is Pakistan's best hope of winning a test match in SA.

His fitness levels are alos significantly higher than the rest of the Pakistani bowlers because he has been playing FC cricket regularly in county and QeA Trophy.
 
TheSultan said:
It’s so funny to read Abbas is the “spearhead”!

I know he got 6 wickets, but regardless, if this pitch doesn’t have variable bounce, he’ll be cannon fodder.

Just take his performance as a bonus and move on from him.
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Yeah because Pakistan has such brillant fast-bowlers waiting in the wings to take his place right?

Just be grateful that you have a bowler who has the capability to bowl 17 overs on the trot and still be dangerous, instead of glorifying 150 kph spearheads that exist only inside your head.
 
TheSultan said:
It’s so funny to read Abbas is the “spearhead”!

I know he got 6 wickets, but regardless, if this pitch doesn’t have variable bounce, he’ll be cannon fodder.

Just take his performance as a bonus and move on from him.
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26 Tests, nearly 100 wickets at just over 22.
Five 5-fers aand a 10-fer

That’s better than any Pakistani fast bowler of the recent period.
 
They should make pitches in Pakistan exactly like SA. It has the best blend to make good batters and pacers.

Even if we lose for 2 years at home with these pitches, the long term benefit will be a team ready to win in SENA.
 
Pakistan as i know them is going to break down under pressure and going to lose by a big margin against SA in 2nd test .

They missed a lifetime opportunity in the first test.

I still can't believe that they couldn't get last 2 wickets on a supporting wicket and lost!?
 
Bewal Express said:
Our bowling is in a bad way. We have an overweight, unfit and underwhelming "fast bowier", we have a 75mph, 40 year old that is OK on green, uneven wickets, we have a left arm guy that is barely county level and then we have Jamal, a guy that looks like he hasn't bowled in a year.
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Bowling is alright and certainly has no issues in South Africa conditions .

Pakistan bowler's almost won the 1st test and they did not have much runs to defend.

It was Pakistan batsman responsibility to score 300 runs atleast in one innings.
 
Xoib said:
It’s all fine and dandy to want phast bowlers but are phast bowlers don’t want to play red ball and when they play they concede 800 runs . Abbas is only existing in this set up because the so called pacers are not up to the mark . I would love for Khurram and Naseem to pick 8 wickets each and win the Cape Town test but honest to god do you see 1 % chance of that happening when you have a pace attack that is capable of winning you games then for sure get rid of Abbas but right now Abbas is there because the rest are so incompetent
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Personally I thought Khurram is going under the radar a bit. He bowled well in both innings. He’s not express either, but he’s an acceptable level of pace 132-138.

Abbas I’m sorry he doesn’t meet any minimum criteria - yea on that uneven surface he got some wickets, but that’s not a template for success.
 
Salman Ali Agha speaking to the media ahead of the Second Test Match:

About playing 11:

“No, I don't think so. We've decided. We've been informed. So, probably tomorrow. I don't know.”

“If you look at the stats, spinners do well on these tracks. The management hasn't decided anything. It's up to them.”

About Pitch for 2nd Test:

“It’s quite different from Johannesburg. There's less grass on it. But we don't know for sure. We'll see tomorrow, and then we can determine how we're going to play in the Test matches.”

Injury concerns:

“No, everyone is available.”

About First Test:

“It was a great game. We fought hard, and it was the kind of game that could have gone either way until the very end. Kagiso Rabada and Marco Jansen played really well. So yeah, we are very confident we can beat them in this game. Our overall morale is still very high because we beat them in the ODIs, and the first Test match was a great contest. Both teams were neck and neck. So, I hope it's going to be another exciting match.”

“There were a few moments in the game where we could have put them further behind, but we couldn't capitalize on those opportunities. There were a few partnerships and then some late runs in the first innings [for South Africa]. But these things can happen in Test cricket. You think you're on top, and then suddenly, in one session, you can be out of the game. But yeah, we have learned from that, and we will do better in this game.”

Confidence for the second Test:

“When you come to South Africa and play such a close game against them, you always believe—even before that game—that we can beat them because we did in the One Day Internationals. So, we had the belief we could beat them in the Test match as well, and we still have that belief going into the second Test. We were just a bit short in the first game.”

His own bowling:

“I just saw the wicket, and I think I probably will bowl in this game because I haven't bowled in the last three Test matches. I think my role could be very important in this game as well.”

About South Africa as a Team:

“They are a very good side. Their bowling lineup and even their batting are very high quality. That's why they're in the World Test Championship final. And I think whoever comes up against them; it will be a very, very good final. But yes, they are of very good quality. That's why they are in the final.”

About Mohammad Abbas:

“His quality lies in his accuracy. He knows what he's doing. He understands his bowling incredibly well. I've never seen a bowler who knows his skills as much as he does. He's an outstanding bowler. He was very rusty in the first innings with the new ball, but that's understandable for a guy who's coming back after almost three years. However, the way he came back in the second innings was outstanding. The way he bowled, he's the one who put us back in the game. Otherwise, I thought the way [South Africa’s batters] were going was probably going to be a one-sided game. But he came in and bowled an entire session—that's outstanding. I've never seen someone bowl like that for a whole session. He's an outstanding bowler, and I hope he'll do well in this game as well.”
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I am sure he has gotten plenty of rest in the past few days. Match ended in four days so he got a day off there aswell. No way should he be rested. He is Pakistan's best hope of winning a test match in SA.

His fitness levels are alos significantly higher than the rest of the Pakistani bowlers because he has been playing FC cricket regularly in county and QeA Trophy.
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It's his speed. If he can sustain the same speeds in the next test as well, it should be alright . But if his speeds starts dropping at Cape Town , which might be a flatter deck, he'll quickly become a liability.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's his speed. If he can sustain the same speeds in the next test as well, it should be alright . But if his speeds starts dropping at Cape Town , which might be a flatter deck, he'll quickly become a liability.
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Yeah I agree, he needs to be hovering in the 126-127 region. Tbf to him though, in the first innings he was coming back after a long time so it was only natural for him to be a little wayward and the pace to be a bit down.

By the second innings his pace was back up to 2018 levels (prior to his shoulder injury). And it clearly made him more dangerous on that pitch.
 
Devadwal said:
Bowling is alright and certainly has no issues in South Africa conditions .

Pakistan bowler's almost won the 1st test and they did not have much runs to defend.

It was Pakistan batsman responsibility to score 300 runs atleast in one innings.
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Conditions were very difficult to bat.
We lost the match because we let them score 80+ runs for the last two wickets in the first innings and because we let Rabada-Jansen score those 49 runs in the second.
 
TheSultan said:
Personally I thought Khurram is going under the radar a bit. He bowled well in both innings. He’s not express either, but he’s an acceptable level of pace 132-138.

Abbas I’m sorry he doesn’t meet any minimum criteria - yea on that uneven surface he got some wickets, but that’s not a template for success.
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Yeah Khurram looks ok but sample size is still small and his injury record does not give me confidence he will last the race

Forget Wasim , Waqar and Imran right now I will give an arm and a leg to have two red ball pacers who can take 200-250 wickets at 28-30 over a career with contributions in couple of SENA test wins
 
Mobashir said:
Conditions were very difficult to bat.
We lost the match because we let them score 80+ runs for the last two wickets in the first innings and because we let Rabada-Jansen score those 49 runs in the second.
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Conditions were difficult but the lack of application from the batsmen and the nature of their dismissals was simply unforgivable.

It was also part of a strange, recurring pattern for Pakistani batsmen in South Africa where they have a lead of 50-60 runs in the second innings at the loss of 1 or 2 wickets. And then they collapse and lose them all for 100 or so runs. If you go back and look at the scorecards, this has been happening in every series since 2007 in atleast one test match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Conditions were difficult but the lack of application from the batsmen and the nature of their dismissals was simply unforgivable.

It was also part of a strange, recurring pattern for Pakistani batsmen in South Africa where they have a lead of 50-60 runs in the second innings at the loss of 1 or 2 wickets. And then they collapse and lose them all for 100 or so runs. If you go back and look at the scorecards, this has been happening in every series since 2007 in atleast one test match.
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It's the pitches and the pace/high release points of the Saffer quicks.

Morkel, Olivier, Jansen. Some real monsters in there
 
Salman saying that Pitch might offer assistance to spin. I think it is the right time to play Noman Ali instead of Aamer Jamal.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's the pitches and the pace/high release points of the Saffer quicks.

Morkel, Olivier, Jansen. Some real monsters in there
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That may well be the cause but for players from different time periods to make the same mistakes is a bit pathetic. There is clearly a mental gap there aswell, which we have seen in other countries where Pakistan has collapsed from similarly favorable positions.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Salman saying that Pitch might offer assistance to spin. I think it is the right time to play Noman Ali instead of Aamer Jamal.
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Maybe in the second innings, provided the pitch isn't a minefield and the team batting first doesn't get clean up for 50-60 like South Africa did the last time they played here.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That may well be the cause but for players from different time periods to make the same mistakes is a bit pathetic. There is clearly a mental gap there aswell, which we have seen in other countries where Pakistan has collapsed from similarly favorable positions.
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I think it's just a skill gap. The difference in bounce between Pakistan and Southern Hemisphere pitches is tremendous.

Bigger than any other 2 sets of conditions .

The bowlers don't seem to be able to extract the bounce as well and the batters , for the most part, can't seem to handle the bounce either.
 
If there is turn Nouman ali can come in for Naseem or khurum and lenghten the lower order with Jamal.

SA won the !st test with late order runs from Bosch in the first innings and and jansen and rabada in the 2nd.

Late order runs could be vital to the outcome of this test.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
If there is turn Nouman ali can come in for Naseem or khurum and lenghten the lower order with Jamal.

SA won the !st test with late order runs from Bosch in the first innings and and jansen and rabada in the 2nd.

Late order runs could be vital to the outcome of this test.
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It's a test match, you need to pick your best bowlers no lenghten the batting order for 10-15 runs.
The guys from SA you are mentioning did win the match with the bat, that's true, but they are playing not because of their batting capabilities. Even if they scored 0, they will be still playing as they are the best bowler in the country.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah because Pakistan has such brillant fast-bowlers waiting in the wings to take his place right?

Just be grateful that you have a bowler who has the capability to bowl 17 overs on the trot and still be dangerous, instead of glorifying 150 kph spearheads that exist only inside your head.
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They have a 24 year old 6’6 left-armer with 116 Test wickets at an average of less than 28…….
 
Mobashir said:
It's a test match, you need to pick your best bowlers no lenghten the batting order for 10-15 runs.
The guys from SA you are mentioning did win the match with the bat, that's true, but they are playing not because of their batting capabilities. Even if they scored 0, they will be still playing as they are the best bowler in the country.
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Nouman would be the best option if there is turn which means one of the pacers have to drop out.
 
Injury Update:

Proteas batter Tony de Zorzi has been ruled out of the 2nd Test against Pakistan with a thigh injury he sustained on day 3 of the 1st match.
 
Xoib said:
So once we are six down it will take 2 overs to be all out

Should have gone with Nauman both he and Hamza operate at same pace atleast Nauman can bat a bit
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IMO, noman should be tried also for Naseem. Let Mir Hamza come in for Jamal... Noman is a very handy batter
 
If SA is opting for more pace and dropping Peterson it means the pitch is flatter. Big test for Abbas.

I'm not sure I'll replace Jamal. Because even though I'm not a huge fan of his bowling I think his batting has a lot of potential and even in last test match he contributed around 50 runs in 2 innings which is a pretty good contribution considering the conditions and his position.
 
For me I'd go unchanged.

If you really wanna bring in Hamza, he can come in for Naseem (since he was the worst of the 3 main pacers) but that'd make the attack too one dimensional.

I'd stick with the same team. Shame we only have 2 tests.
 
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