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duostyle said:
Robert you’re being such a hypocrite.

You’re (trying) to make Lillee look good by quoting ex cricketers and whatnot, yet in ‘that other thread’, you insist on rating (certain?) players only by their stats. What’s up with that?
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Lol, this is what I noticed as well when reading this thread.

In any event, even in that other thread, Robert apparently only looks at stats on a very superficial level, as even the smallest amount of digging into the stats showed that Wasim's test stats were better than Waqar's against the top 8 nations.
 
I feel Imran Khan should be at 4, above Shane Warne, and Sachin should either also be above Warne at 5, or below Warne at 6 (displacing Jack hobbs to 7).

4. Imran Khan
5. Sachin/Warne
6. Sachin/Warne
7. Hobbs
 
Pray tell me how Lille is a better bowler than Imran,Marshall,Hadlee,Akram and company?How exactly?

And Jack Hobbs above SRT,Lara,Waugh etc etc.

The list is a sham favouring little known hyped up dug up from grave cricketers of certain countries.
 
AZ said:
Lara, Kallis, Inzy & the Lankan 'spinner' should be there in an updated version.
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:))) Inzamam among the top 25 cricketers of all time? I've heard enough. I don't think Dravid should make it either, considering his pathetic run of scores since 2007.
 
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If the list were to be updated, 2 guys who would genuinely make it are Brian Lara and Glenn McGrath. The ones with good cases are Gilchrist, Ponting and Kallis. Ponting, despite his lean patch since 2007, has 39 Test centuries to his credit. The same can't be said about Dravid who too has went through a lean patch since 2007, but has just 31 Test centuries compared to Ponting's 39 and Kallis's 40 centuries, despite each one of them playing almost similar number of innings.
 
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Robert said:
I would put Ponting well below his Aussie postwar contemporaries Chappell, Border and Waugh. He turned into a run machine only after W&W, Ambrose, Walsh and Donald retired. Like Hayden, he was a murderer of average bowling in a flat-track era.
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I think Ponting is a better batting talent than Border and Waugh. For me the top 3 Aussie batsmen are -

1. Don Bradman
2. Greg Chappell
3. Ricky Ponting/Neil Harvery.
 
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s2k said:
Pray tell me how Lille is a better bowler than Imran,Marshall,Hadlee,Akram and company?How exactly?
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He isn't. Though they all learned a lot from him, directly or indirectly. Imran says Lillee taught him how to bowl the fast leg-cutter, for example.

And Jack Hobbs above SRT,Lara,Waugh etc etc.
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It's because Hobbs pretty much invented modern batting. The reason that he and Grace are so high is that they played a huge role in defining the game of cricket.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Robert apparently only looks at stats on a very superficial level, as even the smallest amount of digging into the stats showed that Wasim's test stats were better than Waqar's against the top 8 nations.
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What I have learned is that there is no point debating with the followers of the Wasim Cult.

Especially the ones that make stats up in their heads.
 
Robert said:
It's because Hobbs pretty much invented modern batting. The reason that he and Grace are so high is that they played a huge role in defining the game of cricket.
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Since WWII, only 2 players can lay claim for a spot higher than Jack Hobbs in any 'All Time Great Cricketer' list - Gary Sobers and Viv Richards. If you were to ask me to rate my top 5 batsman ever, it would be -

1. Don Bradman
2. Gary Sobers
3. Viv Richards
4. Jack Hobbs
5. Sachin Tendulkar

Although I'll admit that Wally Hammond can make a strong claim of being as good as if not better than Tendulkar. There are guys like Barry Richards, Graeme Pollock and George Headley, but their careers spanned for a very short period, and hence can't claim any of the top 5 spots.
 
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Yellow Submarine said:
Since WWII, only 2 players can lay claim for a spot higher than Jack Hobbs in any 'All Time Great Cricketer' list - Gary Sobers and Viv Richards. If you were to ask me to rate my top 5 batsman ever, it would be -

1. Don Bradman
2. Gary Sobers
3. Viv Richards
4. Jack Hobbs
5. Sachin Tendulkar
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I could go with them too. Hard to think of someone who could get in ahead of those.

Care to put in a keeper and some bowlers? ;)
 
The absence of Lara is a travesty.

Nothing less.
 
Robert said:
What I have learned is that there is no point debating with the followers of the Wasim Cult.

Especially the ones that make stats up in their heads.
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I will have to agree with Robert on that...

Wasim has the highest percentage of lower order wickets amongst all great fast bowlers...

Wasim is Pakistani Lillee...both are massively overrated...
 
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Robert said:
What I have learned is that there is no point debating with the followers of the Wasim Cult.

Especially the ones that make stats up in their heads.
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Made up stats? Kindly point out where I made the stats up.

It is a fact that Wasim averaged 28 against India, WAqar 48. A fact that Wasim averaged 25 against Aus, Waqar 33.

Take out Bangladesh, and Waqar's average goes up to 25 vs. 23 for Wasim. Wasim never played Bangladesh.

Don't make yourself look like an even bigger fool.
 
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Yellow Submarine said:
Since WWII, only 2 players can lay claim for a spot higher than Jack Hobbs in any 'All Time Great Cricketer' list - Gary Sobers and Viv Richards. If you were to ask me to rate my top 5 batsman ever, it would be -

1. Don Bradman
2. Gary Sobers
3. Viv Richards
4. Jack Hobbs
5. Sachin Tendulkar

Although I'll admit that Wally Hammond can make a strong claim of being as good as if not better than Tendulkar. There are guys like Barry Richards, Graeme Pollock and George Headley, but their careers spanned for a very short period, and hence can't claim any of the top 5 spots.
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Robert said:
I could go with them too. Hard to think of someone who could get in ahead of those.

Care to put in a keeper and some bowlers? ;)
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Jack Hobbs played 60 matches againist 3 countries and avgd 56.94.

No way he is better than Tendulkar Lara,Ponting,Gavaskar or even Dravid and Kallis.He has been hyped up by the english media as the founder whatever of modern day batting.Batting has been revolutionsed many times.TBH Don,Viv and Tendulkar are the top 3 batsman of all time and in no particular order.

Sorry but Grace,Hobbs etc dont even come into the same league as these players i mentioned.Scoring runs in 2-3 countries and playing the same attack day in and day out doesnt cut into greatness.I would have surely considered them great if they would have avgd 90+ like Bradman did.
 
s2k said:
TBH Don,Viv and Tendulkar are the top 3 batsman of all time and in no particular order.
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If you just ad Lara to them I will agree otherwise I personally can't agree.
Even :moyo think Lara is the best!
 
Regarding Wasim Akram :
He probably is not the best bowler ever as some are stating here, but he is a better player than all other great fast bowlers because of his very good lower order batting, apart Imran and maybe Hadlee.
To play a matchwinnings innings in the final of a world cup is some achievment. And he has really helped Pakistani time a lot of time with the bat.
 
Mobashir said:
Regarding Wasim Akram :
He probably is not the best bowler ever as some are stating here, but he is a better player than all other great fast bowlers because of his very good lower order batting, apart Imran and maybe Hadlee.
To play a matchwinnings innings in the final of a world cup is some achievment. And he has really helped Pakistani time a lot of time with the bat.
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There's Malcolm Marshall. There's a small gap in their Test batting averages but then again Marshall is ahead of Akram in terms of their bowling averages by quite some distance.
 
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Blistering Barnacle said:
Made up stats? Kindly point out where I made the stats up.
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OK.

Blistering Barnacle said:
even the smallest amount of digging into the stats showed that Wasim's test stats were better than Waqar's against the top 8 nations.
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Wasim vs England: 30 average, s/r 70.

Waqar vs England: 27 average, s/r 48.

Waqar was therefore markedly better against England than Wasim. But you said that Wasim's stats are better that Waqar's against the top eight nations. England were a top eight nation during Wasim's and Waqar's careers.

Ergo, you have made stats up in your head.
 
Mobashir said:
Regarding Wasim Akram :
He probably is not the best bowler ever as some are stating here, but he is a better player than all other great fast bowlers because of his very good lower order batting, apart Imran and maybe Hadlee.
To play a matchwinnings innings in the final of a world cup is some achievment. And he has really helped Pakistani time a lot of time with the bat.
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Agreed.
 
Robert said:
OK.



Wasim vs England: 30 average, s/r 70.

Waqar vs England: 27 average, s/r 48.

Waqar was therefore markedly better against England than Wasim. But you said that Wasim's stats are better that Waqar's against the top eight nations. England were a top eight nation during Wasim's and Waqar's careers.

Ergo, you have made stats up in your head.
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Top 8 nations - Wasim averages 23, Waqar 25.

And kindly explain Waqar averaging 48 against India, Wasim 28. Wasim 25 against Aus, Waqar 33 - and yet trying to claim that Waqar is statistically better, and therefore objectively better, than Wasim.

YOur stats argument was destroyed.

Do not be so obtuse.
 
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Blistering Barnacle said:
YOur stats argument was destroyed.

Do not be so obtuse.
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Why, how obtuse would you like me to be?

You said that Wasim was better against the top eight test nations, not six out of the top eight test nations in terms of average. Waqar had a better average than Wasim against England and Zimbabwe (the latter were the eight best test side that W & W faced).

Waqar also had a better strike rate than Wasim against five of the top eight test sides.
 
Robert said:
Why, how obtuse would you like me to be?

You said that Wasim was better against the top eight test nations, not six out of the top eight test nations in terms of average. Waqar had a better average than Wasim against England and Zimbabwe (the latter were the eight best test side that W & W faced).

Waqar also had a better strike rate than Wasim against five of the top eight test sides.
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So you are still claiming that Waqar was better statistically than Wasim?

And yes, Wasim was better against the top 8 nations in terms of average. As the other person pointed out, and was obvious in my initial post, it is the top 8 nations combined.

Anyway it's obvious you're not mature enough to admit you were wrong.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
So you are still claiming that Waqar was better statistically than Wasim?
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In terms of strike rate, clearly and blatantly so.

And yes, Wasim was better against the top 8 nations in terms of average. As the other person pointed out, and was obvious in my initial post, it is the top 8 nations combined.
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Obvious to whom? Not to me. You should not get stroppy when called on your ambiguous statements.

Anyway it's obvious you're not mature enough to admit you were wrong.
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Obvious to whom?
 
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Robert said:
Obvious to whom?
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To anyone except you. Obviously.

...

Now you are trying to change your argument to be based on "strike rate". Before it was purely on stats which includes average, wickets, matches, etc.

Sorry but you're just a kid who knows nothing about cricket in the era of the two W's.

You think that by reading some stats on cricinfo you know all about bowlers. There's a reason people rate Wasim higher than Waqar, but it's beyond your comprehension.

You're just an inexperienced kid who doesn't know any better. So good on you...go on believing what you want....base all your arguments on selective stats that include mighty teams like Bangladesh....

So long as you're happy.
 
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This is to a certain patriotic Pakistani, Monsee ....... do you have any reply to it?
 
Imran is a better cricketer than sachin, and the best cricketer from sc ever
 
Lillee # 6 is a joke.
He should be around 25 considering where Marshal and Hadlee.
40% of the selection panel is from Aus or NZ
 
shah_1 said:
Imran is a better cricketer than sachin, and the best cricketer from sc ever
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On PP may be.But world over Sachin is the better cricketer.Only two cricketers may be considered above Sachin Sir Garry Sobers(His Batting may be slightly behind Sachin but his bowling pushes him just ahead) and Sir Donald Bradman.
 
cricketjoshila said:
On PP may be.But world over Sachin is the better cricketer.Only two cricketers may be considered above Sachin Sir Garry Sobers(His Batting may be slightly behind Sachin but his bowling pushes him just ahead) and Sir Donald Bradman.
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How does his bowling put him ahead? The only reason why Sir Garry Sobers was considered a an all-rounder because of his diverse bowling (rather than the overall quality of his bowling) which we saw in a recent thread. Anyway, I believe Sachin Tendulkar's bowling is great and in the past watching both his medium-pacers and his exotic leg-spin (particularly the latter) was enthralling. I doubt that Sir Garfield Sobers' batting ability was anything less than Sachin Tendulkar's considering he has a higher test batting average and played much of his career on uncovered pitches, which can be disastrously bad for a batsman.

However, I personally would rank Sachin Tendulkar ahead of Sir Garfield Sobers because I have seen him playing and consider him as probably one of the most elegant, easy-on-the-eye batsman of all time.
 
Cricketers greater than sachin from Sc

1) Imran (great allround cricketer and captain)
2) Wasim (same as above)
3) Waqar( greatest strike bowler in the history of game if you combine all formats and that too from graveyard of fast bowling SC(where some nations with hundred million of population are strugling to produce one good fast bowler))

All above three are better match winners/game changers than sachin.

On a side note according to some nuetral observers kapil is greatest indian cricketer.
 
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1) Don Bradman
2) Gary Sobers
3) Imran Khan
4) Viv Richards
5) Sachin Tendulkar

These are my top 5 cricketers considering their impact on the game.

Wasim would be in the top 10.
Miandad would be higher than 44.
Marshall should be higher.
 
amax said:
Cricketers greater than sachin from Sc

1) Imran (great allround cricketer and captain)
2) Wasim (same as above)
3) Waqar( greatest strike bowler in the history of game if you combine all formats and that too from graveyard of fast bowling SC(where some nations with hundred million of population are strugling to produce one good fast bowler))

All above three are better match winners/game changers than sachin.

On a side note according to some nuetral observers kapil is greatest indian cricketer.
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Except that the rest of the world outside of Pakistan thinks different, as apparent from the list made by those 25 highly qualified people. I know it's hard for you to digest, try to live with it.
 
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The Dark Corner said:
1) Don Bradman
2) Gary Sobers
3) Imran Khan
4) Viv Richards
5) Sachin Tendulkar

These are my top 5 cricketers considering their impact on the game.

Wasim would be in the top 10.
Miandad would be higher than 44.
Marshall should be higher.
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MS dhoni should be in top 10 in terms of Impact of game. People will only realise his worth post his retirement.
 
Hitman said:
Except that the rest of the world outside of Pakistan thinks different, as apparent from the list made by those 25 highly qualified people. I know it's hard for you to digest, try to live with it.
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I agree Sachin is far greater than Wasim and Waqar but not greater than Imran Khan


When Lilliee rated at 6 and Marshall at 16, you know how credible this list is and this '25 highly qualified people'
 
when Goel Garner is not even at 25, has the best average post WW2 for fast bowlers is quite laughable.

Pathetic list and pathetic judges
 
shah_1 said:
I agree Sachin is far greater than Wasim and Waqar but not greater than Imran Khan


When Lilliee rated at 6 and Marshall at 16, you know how credible this list is and this '25 highly qualified people'
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The list is not made by me or an Indian, so no question of bias there. Sachin found a place ahead of Imran when he was just halfway through his career. And here is what your own hero Imran Khan has to say regarding Dennis Lillee -

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3442353&postcount=48


Bradman regarded Lillee the greatest fast bowler of the 20th century. Lillee found a place in each one of Bradman, Benaud and Cricinfo's All Time XI team. Richard Hadlee considers Dennis Lillee his hero and he modeled himself after Lillee, That speaks a lot, not some numerical stats.
 
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Hitman said:
The list is not made by me or an Indian, so no question of bias there. Sachin found a place ahead of Imran when he was just halfway through his career. And here is what your own hero Imran Khan has to say regarding Dennis Lillee -

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3442353&postcount=48


Bradman regarded Lillee the greatest fast bowler of the 20th century. Lillee found a place in both Bradman and Cricinfo's All Time XI team. Richard Hadlee considers Dennis Lillee his hero and he modeled himself after Lillee, That speaks a lot, not some numerical stats.
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Bradman ought to be bias toward aussie haha

that doesn't make him greater than Marshall

Marshall>>>>>>Lillee


It is pure B.S to see Marshall at 16 and Goel Garner not even in 25, pathetic list. I don't consider this list credible at all.
 
Only one WI fast bowler in that list, and also greatest bowler ever to be at 16 is super crap


Joke of a list
 
shah_1 said:
I agree Sachin is far greater than Wasim and Waqar but not greater than Imran Khan


When Lilliee rated at 6 and Marshall at 16, you know how credible this list is and this '25 highly qualified people'
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In which way Imran > Sachin may I ask? Obviously cannot be a cricketing logic as stats dont lie. Any other criteria? :13:
 
shah_1 said:
Bradman ought to be bias toward aussie haha

that doesn't make him greater than Marshall

Marshall>>>>>>Lillee


It is pure B.S to see Marshall at 16 and Goel Garner not even in 25, pathetic list. I don't consider this list credible at all.
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IK rated Lillee as the best bowler.May be he is speaking BS as well.
 
Sankalp said:
In which way Imran > Sachin may I ask? Obviously cannot be a cricketing logic as stats dont lie. Any other criteria? :13:
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What stats, Imran had phenomenal stats. He averaged almost 52 with the bat and averaged 19 with the bowl in last 10 years of his career, has Sachin ever peaked that much for 10 years.




tell me how many batsman average close to Sachin during his era

The answer is many


But how many AR are like Imran, the only answer is Keith Miller. You will not find too many AR in history like Imran Khan because it is very difficult to sustain stats like Imran Khan had.

He had the fourth best average during his time and ahead of lillee, Holding and other great fast bowlers, now you add his batting and great captaincy.

He was better than most of your indians batsman in that time from 1982 to 1992
 
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shah_1 said:
I agree Sachin is far greater than Wasim and Waqar but not greater than Imran Khan


When Lilliee rated at 6 and Marshall at 16, you know how credible this list is and this '25 highly qualified people'
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how can he be far greater? if anything he is at par with them at max. A player is judged by his presence on field(like viv), wasim and waqar(specially) have won Pakistan games out of no where, in 90's they have defended totals around 100 by destroying teams with old ball within 2 overs(causing unprecedented collapses on flattest of wickets), i have never seen sachin dominating the field like waqar or even wasim. Look at the SR for waqar's 750 international wickets and that too on roads(read grave yards of fast bowling).
 
Many pundits rated Marshall has the best bowler ever, Imran is in minority.
 
shah_1 said:
What stats, Imran had phenomenal stats. He averaged almost 52 with the bat and averaged 19 with the bowl in last 10 years of his career, has Sachin ever peaked that much for 10 years.




tell me how many batsman average close to Sachin during his era

The answer is many


But how many AR are like Imran, the only answer is Keith Miller. You will not find too many AR in history like Imran Khan because it is very difficult to sustain stats like Imran Khan had.

He had the fourth best average during his time and ahead of lillee, Holding and other great fast bowlers, now you add his batting and great captaincy.

He was better than most of your indians batsman in that time from 1982 to 1992
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Again you take out 10 years out of a 18 year career and try to make someone look good.

Talk about overall stats.

Tendulkar has played for 25 odd years consecutively,holds most of the batting records.How many players have scored 15000plus runs in both forms of the game?100 international hundreds.

Tendulkar is widely mentioned by experts as the second best batsman of all times.

Imran as great as he is,make no mistake he is a LEGEND,is not rated as good as Tendulkar.

Yes on PP and in the minds of Pakistanis,they will put IK above all,but the all over the world the truth is different.
 
amax said:
how can he be far greater? if anything he is at par with them at max. A player is judged by his presence on field(like viv), wasim and waqar(specially) have won Pakistan games out of no where, in 90's they have defended totals around 100 by destroying teams with old ball within 2 overs(causing unprecedented collapses on flattest of wickets), i have never seen sachin dominating the field like waqar or even wasim. Look at the SR for waqar's 750 international wickets and that too on roads(read grave yards of fast bowling).
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LOL.DELUSIONS of the highest order here.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Again you take out 10 years out of a 18 year career and try to make someone look good.

Talk about overall stats.

Tendulkar has played for 25 odd years consecutively,holds most of the batting records.How many players have scored 15000plus runs in both forms of the game?100 international hundreds.

Tendulkar is widely mentioned by experts as the second best batsman of all times.

Imran as great as he is,make no mistake he is a LEGEND,is not rated as good as Tendulkar.

Yes on PP and in the minds of Pakistanis,they will put IK above all,but the all over the world the truth is different.
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I saw on ICF when Kapil rated as the best cricketer from India :)))
 
Well if I talk about longevity and then Imran himself played for 20 years , maintained legendary stats


He averages 22.81 with the bowl, now tell me how far behind is Imran khan compared to batting average of 53.86, now add his batting average of 38.

He was also a great captain as well
 
Tell me how many AR are like Imran, does resemble stats like him


There is only one in history that is Keith Miller
 
If Sachin was the second best batsman[even though he is not ] then Imran was the second best AR ever and the best bowling AR ever
 
As if the rest of the world cares of what some random Pakistanis think of that list. But the rest of the world do care about that list made by former greats mostly.

By the way, here's another list of '100 Greatest Test Cricketers' by the late Christopher Martin Jenkins. Too bad even he puts Imran Khan below Tendulkar. Such a shame the whole world is biased against Pakistani cricketers, and in particular Imran Khan. The only non biased people in the world are Pakistani cricket fans.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=72838
 
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Hitman said:
As if the rest of the world cares of what some random Pakistanis think of that list. But the rest of the world do care about that list made by former greats mostly.

By the way, here's another list of '100 Greatest Test Cricketers' by the late Christopher Martin Jenkins. Too bad even he puts Imran Khan below Tendulkar. Such a shame the whole world is biased against Pakistani cricketers, and in particular Imran Khan. The only non biased people in the world are Pakistani cricket fans.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=72838
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These are opinion



Tell me how many bowling AR are like Imran khan in history, tell me how AR averaging over 35+ as batsman and averaging below 25 as bowlers

Even though the criteria I have given is not better than What Imran Khan stats are, just to put into prospective that they were not too many cricketer like him.

He was class above any bowling AR in history after uncovered pitches were phased out.
 
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The list you have give me is that Donald is rated at 83 :)))


Walsh at 92

holding at 85


Another joke of a list, better ignore this crap as well
 
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shah_1 said:
These are opinion



Tell me how many bowling AR are like Imran khan in history, tell me how AR averaging over 35+ as batsman and averaging below 25 as bowlers

Even though the criteria I have given is not better than What Imran Khan stats are, just to put into prospective that they were not too many cricketer like him.

He was class above any bowling AR in history after uncovered pitches were phased out.
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When did I deny any of that? I consider Imran the 2nd best all rounder ever. But it's not my fault that Sachin finds a spot higher than Imran is such lists.
 
Three cricketer posters I have attached in my bedroom


Imran Khan
Sachin
AB de villers

So I am a big fan of Sachin as well :yk
 
Simple reasoning how in the world can one of the worst test playing nation(w/l ratio) got 3 players in top 25 ??

Simple answere pundits know how to keep one billion people happy and quiet $$$$:wahab
 
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How ahead of he is from other fast bowling AR is testimony is to his greatness and uniqueness, no one came close to him since 1970s as a bowling AR.

There is someone better than Sachin but not Imran. You can't compare Gary Sober to Imran , it like comparing Muarli to wasim Akram, both are different type of players.
 
shah_1 said:
How ahead of he is from other fast bowling AR is testimony is to his greatness and uniqueness, no one came close to him since 1970s as a bowling AR.

There is someone better than Sachin but not Imran. You can't compare Gary Sober to Imran , it like comparing Muarli to wasim Akram, both are different type of players.
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I've never denied Imran Khan's greatness, have I? I told you I regard him the 2nd best all rounder ever. And yes, there are batsmen greater than Sachin - Bradman, Sobers, Viv.
 
amax said:
Simple reasoning how in the world can one of the worst test playing nation(w/l ratio) got 3 players in top 25 ??

Simple answere pundits know how to keep one billion people happy and quiet $$$$:wahab
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You are not being logical, just driven by dislike of Indians .
now explain how Hadlee is listed at 12 ?
 
Veekay said:
You are not being logical, just driven by dislike of Indians .
now explain how Hadlee is listed at 12 ?
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Because Hadlee's grandfather paid all those 25 judges to put him there. Wait a minute, could it be that he was really that good?
 
The oldies would have been killed by the likes of Akram and marshal and Wakar, give them respect and keep them at the top, who cares,
 
Hitman said:
I've never denied Imran Khan's greatness, have I? I told you I regard him the 2nd best all rounder ever. And yes, there are batsmen greater than Sachin - Bradman, Sobers, Viv.
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Imran is the greatest all-rounder ever,
 
Bilbo said:
Imran is the greatest all-rounder ever,
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Except that the rest of the world doesn't place him anywhere even near Garry Sobers. You Pak fans can consider him a better cricketer than Bradman, except that the rest of the world doesn't care :)
 
I wish we had someone like Imran Khan in our history, such a giant, a true legend of the game if there ever was one.
 
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