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[EXCLUSIVE] "It's important to revive Karachi Kings as an organization to make it a cricket empire": Phil Simmons

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Former West Indies all-rounder and prominent cricket coach Phil Simmons joins Saj Sadiq for an exclusive chat in the build-up to the PSL. Here are certain topics that he covered during the interaction:

1. New role & challenges with Karachi Kings
2. Reviving the KK as an organization
3. Him being up for challenges all the time
4. Pressure of handling a big franchise such as Karachi
5. Absence of Mohammad Amir
7. Shan Masood as a leader
8. Key players for KK in PSL9
9. Expectations of KK fans & aims for PSL9
10. High standard of PSL

 
Great thoughts by Phil but I think with such a team where they dont have any single match winner, he won't be able to do much because owners of KK just don't want to spend anything on their franchise.
 
Wasim could not do much with this team and I am not sure if Phil will be able to do any better. What Phil is saying sounds good but Karachi kings have let go of their premier players so they are left with some nobodies who look weaker than ever before. No hopes from this team but good luck to Phil for his effort.
 
Big win for KK and Simmons today.

That should boost their confidence.

Coaching KK is a tough gig, the pressure must be huge.
 
He seems to be doing a decent job with the team along with captain Shan Masood. They had a great result today against Lahore Qalandars and as mentioned by Simmons the key players like Pollard, Shoaib and Hasan made their contribution in today's win against Lahore.
 
To make Karachi Kings, a cricket empire is no less than making Bangladesh the world champions.
 
These franchises, like most cricket franchises have no direction. It seems like lots of rich men, just enjoying the media spotlight rather than caring for any cricket success. No one cares who wins or loses and the cricket has zero value. Its more like WWE rather than the EPL
 
Key changes are required. Bring in actual players from Karachi, invest in grass root development and create a leadership group that is competent, strategic and hungry to win
 
For KK to succeed as a franchise, the need to invest a lot more in youngsters. The only reason why they messed up with their top picks is because they never developed a single player that they have retained over the course of their history. LQ invested in Fakhar, Haris, Shaheen etc and gave them a lot of game time. ISLU did the same with Shahdab, Multan did it with Rizwan. If you see some of these successful franchises in recent times, you can observe a certain sense of nurturing of players.
A platinum player like Shaheen was an emerging player in 2018-19. A platinum player like Shahdab was an emerging pick in 2016-17. A platinum pick in Rizwan was a gold pick for Multan in 2020-2021. These sides have developed their talent pool by giving their youngsters a lot more freedom and responsibility. KK only had Babar but they let him go.
Look at Saad Baig and Arafat Minhas this season. Saad got one game and then got benched for someone like Akhlaq who has no future either with the gloves or with the bat. Arafat hasn’t even gotten a game yet. If these guys were in a decent side you could predict them to be platinum level players in 3-4 years time. But they cannot be that as long as they are with KK.
However, I have high hopes with Haider Azhar in charge. But Haider alone may not be enough to improve KK’s fortunes.
 
For KK to succeed as a franchise, the need to invest a lot more in youngsters. The only reason why they messed up with their top picks is because they never developed a single player that they have retained over the course of their history. LQ invested in Fakhar, Haris, Shaheen etc and gave them a lot of game time. ISLU did the same with Shahdab, Multan did it with Rizwan. If you see some of these successful franchises in recent times, you can observe a certain sense of nurturing of players.
A platinum player like Shaheen was an emerging player in 2018-19. A platinum player like Shahdab was an emerging pick in 2016-17. A platinum pick in Rizwan was a gold pick for Multan in 2020-2021. These sides have developed their talent pool by giving their youngsters a lot more freedom and responsibility. KK only had Babar but they let him go.
Look at Saad Baig and Arafat Minhas this season. Saad got one game and then got benched for someone like Akhlaq who has no future either with the gloves or with the bat. Arafat hasn’t even gotten a game yet. If these guys were in a decent side you could predict them to be platinum level players in 3-4 years time. But they cannot be that as long as they are with KK.
However, I have high hopes with Haider Azhar in charge. But Haider alone may not be enough to improve KK’s fortunes.

The whole PSL model is not about encouraging players from respective regions but to win at all costs.

In a sense that is right.

Investment in youngsters is NOT the job of PSL - but it is the job of the PCB.

PSL should be enjoying the fruits of PCB's work and not vice versa.
 
The whole PSL model is not about encouraging players from respective regions but to win at all costs.

In a sense that is right.

Investment in youngsters is NOT the job of PSL - but it is the job of the PCB.

PSL should be enjoying the fruits of PCB's work and not vice versa.
That is just not true. In PSL at least one player in Platinum category has to be Pakistani. If every franchise stop investing in youngsters to the point where non of them actually make it to platinum level at some point, then your overall league quality will do down. If QG didn’t invest in Nawaz in the first season, then KK won’t have Nawaz as their platinum pick today. But if KK invested in a better youngster earlier, then they wouldn’t even have to recruit Nawaz as a majburi pick just to fill in the numbers. They could’ve had someone like Haris, Rizwan or even Abrar as their platinum pick. But if a franchise doesn’t fit in a youngster with a clear definition of role, then that youngster moves on to a different franchise and you loose out on all the work you did in scouting that player in the first place. So moral of the story is that investing in young players actually helps the franchise itself in long run.
 
That is just not true. In PSL at least one player in Platinum category has to be Pakistani. If every franchise stop investing in youngsters to the point where non of them actually make it to platinum level at some point, then your overall league quality will do down. If QG didn’t invest in Nawaz in the first season, then KK won’t have Nawaz as their platinum pick today. But if KK invested in a better youngster earlier, then they wouldn’t even have to recruit Nawaz as a majburi pick just to fill in the numbers. They could’ve had someone like Haris, Rizwan or even Abrar as their platinum pick. But if a franchise doesn’t fit in a youngster with a clear definition of role, then that youngster moves on to a different franchise and you loose out on all the work you did in scouting that player in the first place. So moral of the story is that investing in young players actually helps the franchise itself in long run.

But what makes you think those younger players wont leave for another franchise?
 
But what makes you think those younger players wont leave for another franchise?
That is up to them. But the chances are that they won’t as long as you give them the rewards and respect for their performances for you.
 
These franchises, like most cricket franchises have no direction. It seems like lots of rich men, just enjoying the media spotlight rather than caring for any cricket success. No one cares who wins or loses and the cricket has zero value. Its more like WWE rather than the EPL
Even football feels like WWE. So annoying to see footballers displaying loyalty to tinpot Saudi league teams, mentioning how much it means to them. Nicolas pooran is in a different team, different league, every 3 month. No passion only money. I have lost passion to watch too
 
It seems like whoever is there in charge of affairs, it goes horribly wrong.

They've had some big names involved but none have really been able to get them to perform consistently.
 
These franchises, like most cricket franchises have no direction. It seems like lots of rich men, just enjoying the media spotlight rather than caring for any cricket success. No one cares who wins or loses and the cricket has zero value. Its more like WWE rather than the EPL
The difference is, loyal fans actually care about wwe storylines and who wins and loses.

No one cares about psl or franchise narratives. They just want to see their favourite players hit sixes or see some franchise only players like azam Khan smash big ones and succeed where they otherwise would not in international.
 
The difference is, loyal fans actually care about wwe storylines and who wins and loses.

No one cares about psl or franchise narratives. They just want to see their favourite players hit sixes or see some franchise only players like azam Khan smash big ones and succeed where they otherwise would not in international.

Honestly, I only care about the ball-boys, and if they can continue to take better catches than Pak fielders
 
I wonder if they will retain Simmons.

I don't recall any information regarding the length of his contract.

He didn't exactly make a great impact.
 
Hearing that he's under pressure to retain his job for next season.

Some of the 'senior' players not too happy with him.
 
Great thoughts by Phil but I think with such a team where they dont have any single match winner, he won't be able to do much because owners of KK just don't want to spend anything on their franchise.

This is how it has transpired, and while KK franchise owners have to spend their money as they see fit, the big mistake was to allow Karachi to host all the big games which has badly impacted PSL's international reputation as a brand. If Karachi want to disappear from the limelight and save money, that's fine but PSL should have foreseen it and been ahead of the game by promoting stadiums in more enthusiastic locations.
 
Hearing that he's under pressure to retain his job for next season.

Some of the 'senior' players not too happy with him.
Lol Senior pensioners?

Pollard and Malik need to quit cricket

Shan is not T20 material

Their ‘senior players’ need to be moved on.
 
Karachi gets it wrong every single year. They are the most incompetent franchise by some distance but were only relevant thanks to Babar’s brilliance with the bat who single-handedly won them the PSL in 2020.

Karachi is nothing without Babar and they need to completely revamp their approach and make a fresh start.

I think they should look at signing Fakhar. After overseeing the biggest downgrade in PSL history by going from Babar to Masood, they need to sign a marquee Pakistani opener who can win them matches at the top of the order and also captain the side.

Fakhar has stagnated and Lahore and he has been wanting to leave for years and Lahore seem to release him every year too before buying him back in the draft. They need to end the association.

Karachi needs a new Director, a new coaching staff and a new set of players.
 
Karachi gets it wrong every single year. They are the most incompetent franchise by some distance but were only relevant thanks to Babar’s brilliance with the bat who single-handedly won them the PSL in 2020.

Karachi is nothing without Babar and they need to completely revamp their approach and make a fresh start.

I think they should look at signing Fakhar. After overseeing the biggest downgrade in PSL history by going from Babar to Masood, they need to sign a marquee Pakistani opener who can win them matches at the top of the order and also captain the side.

Fakhar has stagnated and Lahore and he has been wanting to leave for years and Lahore seem to release him every year too before buying him back in the draft. They need to end the association.

Karachi needs a new Director, a new coaching staff and a new set of players.
Nope, it was not Babar.

They were relevent due to Dean Jones. Once he passed away, the franchise has been a mess.

Dean Jones basically took a chunk of Islamabad United players to Karachi and made a team out of them.
 
Nope, it was not Babar.

They were relevent due to Dean Jones. Once he passed away, the franchise has been a mess.

Dean Jones basically took a chunk of Islamabad United players to Karachi and made a team out of them.
Dean Jones’ impact in PSL is overstated. He was mentally unstable and a loose cannon. He should have never been given any work after his pathetic comments about Amla on live TV.

I remember how obsessed Pakistani fans were with his coaching in the early days of PSL only because he used to pander to the Pakistani public by hyping up Pakistan’s non-existent talent.

First he lived off Misbah in Islamabad and then he lived off Babar in Karachi. During that time there was also talks of PCB offering him the head coach role for Pakistan.

Thankfully that never materialized and he went to the clouds before PCB could shoot itself in the foot by appointing him. What a disaster that would have been.

It is also worth nothing that apart from Pakistan and I think Afghanistan for a very brief period, no country, including his country Australia, gave him any coaching work. He was highly rated for his coaching only in Pakistan.

Other boards knew that he was an unstable fool who was not worth the risk.
 
Simmons looked like he was there for a holiday and pay cheque, did not look that interested or involved.
 
Dean Jones’ impact in PSL is overstated. He was mentally unstable and a loose cannon. He should have never been given any work after his pathetic comments about Amla on live TV.

I remember how obsessed Pakistani fans were with his coaching in the early days of PSL only because he used to pander to the Pakistani public by hyping up Pakistan’s non-existent talent.

First he lived off Misbah in Islamabad and then he lived off Babar in Karachi. During that time there was also talks of PCB offering him the head coach role for Pakistan.

Thankfully that never materialized and he went to the clouds before PCB could shoot itself in the foot by appointing him. What a disaster that would have been.

It is also worth nothing that apart from Pakistan and I think Afghanistan for a very brief period, no country, including his country Australia, gave him any coaching work. He was highly rated for his coaching only in Pakistan.

Other boards knew that he was an unstable fool who was not worth the risk.
bro his comments on Amla did not mean he was a bad coach. He was the first one to bring the data culture to Pakistan. Islamabad and Multan that are known as Data driven teams, it was because of Jones. Misbah to this day gives credit to the way Jones used to break down the data for every person.

Dean Jones built this culture which than was used by others.

Also man, come on show some respect, saying that he went to the clouds is a bit low. Death is one of the worst things that can happen to a person.
 
KK ownership and mgmt sucks. In the past seasons they had two things going for them: i) Lahore not performing well so they could say “becharay” to them as infamously quipped by salman iqbal
ii) Amir and Imad’s one sided toxic rivalry with Babar.

They also had the bonus point for being the most memed PSL team after Lahore.

Now they are soul-less, and seems like the ownership group might change.
 
Phil Simmons must have enjoyed his holidays in Pakistan because I am not sure he did any work with this franchise or Maybe this franchise is so non-serious that they did not even care about their coach. Overall, Karachi picked some worst players and left out some good players which shows that their management and owner is not interested enough.
 
Phil Simmons must have enjoyed his holidays in Pakistan because I am not sure he did any work with this franchise or Maybe this franchise is so non-serious that they did not even care about their coach. Overall, Karachi picked some worst players and left out some good players which shows that their management and owner is not interested enough.

Rashid Latif who once worked with the Franchise as a coach criticized the owners ie they treat their franchise as a side business, they are only using it to promote the ARY platform at best
 
Rashid Latif who once worked with the Franchise as a coach criticized the owners ie they treat their franchise as a side business, they are only using it to promote the ARY platform at best
Exactly. ARY is the main agenda here and Karachi Kings is just a make-or-break type of thing. If they end up being a runner-up or winner then gold otherwise no problem. LOL
 
bro his comments on Amla did not mean he was a bad coach. He was the first one to bring the data culture to Pakistan. Islamabad and Multan that are known as Data driven teams, it was because of Jones. Misbah to this day gives credit to the way Jones used to break down the data for every person.

Dean Jones built this culture which than was used by others.

Also man, come on show some respect, saying that he went to the clouds is a bit low. Death is one of the worst things that can happen to a person.
If Dean Jones was a good coach, he would have been utilized by Australia or India or any other country.

He was only able to impress and con PCB with his data gimmicks. Australia, India and others knew that an unstable and unpredictable person was not suitable to be a coach.
 
Karachi Kings need to live up to their name and become a team that represents the city of lights.

Even though I would prefer to see Salman Iqbal go, that won't happen anytime soon and as such I can only write a list of recommendations on what is needed to be done to revive an almost dead franchise

1. Invest in grass-root crickets in Karachi and create a player development program similar to the one Lahore has
2. Bring in a local coach such as Rashid Latif or Basit Ali
3. Bring in a local captain, preferably Saifi but even Saud or Omair can fit the bill
4. Have at least 80% of the domestic players be from Karachi no other city
5. Work in collaboration with the PCB to improve NSK as well as the commute to the ground
 
Someone should show this to Salman Iqbal and the Karachi Kings Management

I enjoyed podcast and discussion b/w Dr Nauman, Rashid Latif and Salman Sarwar Butt. Watch from 18:00 onwards on their tips and suggestions to both the PCB and the Franchises on how to move the PSL forward


I will summarize their discussions below

1) Both the PCB and the PSL Franchises need to stop treating the PSL as an event to hold for the sake of it and actually treat it like a proper professional franchise league i.e. just hold the draft at this date, book the event in a certain time period and get it over with. They need to both have a combined vision for the league which should complement each other

- Both the PCB and the PSL Franchises need to identify their target market inside Pakistan i.e. cricket loving local population and Outside Pakistan i.e. cricket loving Pakistani expatriate population, foreigners and keep thinking of ways on how to tap into them.

- Both the PCB and the PSL Franchises need to think in terms off the audience is watching a 4 hour movie, how do we make the 4 hour movie a memorable experience from an entertainment, fan engagement, stadium quality point of view where they will keep wanting to come back for more

2) Seperate the PSL affairs, management from the PCB so that changes in the PCB management have no impact on the PSL ownership. My recommendation is to see if the PSL can be listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange where the PCB can be the majority shareholders but can invite investment from the general public, this can be a good source for the PSL to attract, generate capital, finances and to generate fully audited financial statements for the general public. A PSL BOD od Directors, CEO can be appointed by the Shareholders to run the affairs of the PSL professionally and independently from the PCB

3) Once the 10th season is over and the contract with the existing franchises is over, there is a need to massively overhaul the contracts b/w the PCB and the Franchises and to improve, professionalize it. Both the PCB and the PSL Franchises should work in partnership, co-operation and the PCB should step in to help the franchises as much as possible and help them with the cricketing side of things to the maximum extent. The PCB should definately give away the existing PSL franchises to the existing owners in Perpetuity provided they meet certain conditions and standards. Perpetuity doesn't mean they now own the Franchise forever and they can do whatever they want with the Franchise without any accountability or questions asked. Mcdonald's for e.g. gives away rights to a Franchise to a Franchisee but if the Franchisee doesn't meet standards or doesn't deliver then Mcdonalds reserves the right to take back the Franchise rights. Franchises need to be educated and encouraged to do away from their rent seeking behavior i.e. i have paid this much in the franchise fee for the year, how much return am i getting this year? They need to be encouraged to treat their franchise as a proper business and cricket development venture as oppossed to treating it as a side kick, part time hobby to their other main business activities. The EPL Franchises in England or NBA Franchises in the US don't shut up shop once the English Football season or the North American Basketball season is over, they operate 24/7/365.

- The PCB is now facing very stiff competition from SA T20, ILT20, Big Bash, BPL, Hundred, CPL, American T20 League let alone IPL. PSL in terms of remuneration is at number 6 which is not good enough and this is now having an impact on the quality of players coming to the PSL and the fact that the PSL is being held before the IPL further diminishes the chances to attract top tier quality players who prefer to rest, rejuvenate for their $1-2 million IPL contracts. Salman Sarwar is suggesting the following measures

1) Both the PCB and the PSL Franchises have to co-operate and work in partnership as far as the Salary Caps, remunerations are concerned, if a PSL franchise is contributing $1 million to the salaries of the players, officials, the PCB should bite the bullet and loan an additional $1-$1.5 to the Franchise in the short term to boost the chances of attracting top tier foreign talent

2) There has to be standards as far as foreign players are concerned as well, having foreign players who are working as coaches, assistants in other leagues will only dilute the PSL.

3) Have a diverse strategy i.e. consider auction/direct signings for foreign players, top Pakistani players, pay the foreign players in USD and the Pakistani players in PKR and only have a draft for the local Pakistani players.

- The Franchises have to provide an annual business plan, management plan i.e. the management you hire has to be professional, qualified, revenue generation plan i.e. you need to earn a minimum amount of revenues every year, cricket development plans i.e. you have to put aside a certain amount of money for academies, talent hunt programs through your city/region throughout the year, scouting to the PSL authorities annually and there has to be a monitoring committee which ensures all the conditions are being met and it these conditions are not met then the PSL authorities should warn the franchises that the PSL authority reserves the right to strip away the ownership rights.

The PCB as the regulator should educate the Franchises in this regard in terms of how to make the most of their commercial partnerships for e.g. if Islamabad United strikes a commercial partnership with Tim Hortons or Food Panda, IU should be encouraged to go all out to recruit fans to sign up as members with them i.e. basic members, gold members, platinum members e.t.c. and in exchange they will get good deals, discounts with Tim Hortons/Food Panda or a major airline and this way Tim Hortons/Food Panda as a reward will increase their investment, sponsorship with Islamabad United. Now imagine if IU strikes similar partnership with 10 other commercial enterprises in different sectors, think about the joint benefits that both IU and these commercial entities will enjoy. If IU goes to a commercial sponsor and demands $3 million for the year, they will have to justify their demands to the target sponsor i.e. we have a very active passionate fanbase who actively uses your products and will give you this much visibility, increased market share. Big commercial sponsors are not going to be interested in investing big amounts in a franchise if they see the Franchise shuts up shop for 10-11 months in the year and only becomes active during the PSL season. If a Franchise complains they can't afford to run their activities for the whole year, tell them that they have to be creative with their sponsors i.e. look sponsor my cricket academy, talent hunt programs for the whole year, this will give you increased visibility and publicity. Ask a Commercial partner, sponsor to fund an internal U-19, Emerging player, Women's team competition for that franchise televised and the commercial partner will benefit.

Similarly Karachi Kings should leverage the ARY platform or partner up with their commercial partners and hold a Karachi School or College Cricket competition. All these things are possible with out of the box thinking.

Alternatively, the franchises could hold charity games or welfare games where they raise funds for many different causes

- Franchises should be told to provide their Marketing/Branding strategies for the Franchise which will cater to the local audience and external audience every year to the PCB

- In terms of the Management and Professionals the Franchises hire for their affairs, they need to be educated that running cricketing operations, coaching, talent hunt programs is exclusively the domain of cricketers but they need to hire proper qualified, experienced professionals for the other roles i.e. CEO, COO, Head of Marketing/Branding, Finance/Accounting, Media e.t.c. The CEO of Kolkatta Knight Riders (KKR) is Venky Mysore and he is known as the Insurance Guru in both Asia and North America. He has appointed the best possible people in KKR for Marketing/Branding, Finance/Accounting, Media, Legal e.t.c and he always gives his business team a vision, target i.e. we need to take KKR's Commercial and Brand Value from X to Y by this time period. Similar level of professionalism and passion is needed for the management teams in the PSL Franchises. The problem with the PSL Franchise Owners is that they have a Seth mindset where they don't want to delegate power, authority to others, in fact some owners even interfere in the cricketing affairs i.e. the captain and coaches for which they are not qualified (Rashid Latif has apparently witnessed this many times while working with Karachi Kings). Their present approach is to just appoint one or two blue eyed people to run the entire franchise and thats it which is another reason why the franchises have stagnated and are not growing. Gautam Gambhir once narrated that when he took on the role at KKR, he had a very frank meeting with Shahrukh Khan which didn't last for more than 7 minutes where he told him to leave the cricketing affairs to him, i will not interfere in your showbiz, acting domain and you don't interfere in the cricketing side of things.

- There is a very high risk that the existing PSL Franchise owners are deliberately under investing their resources in the PSL out of fear that they will be forced to pay much higher fair market values once their rights are up if they wish to retain their franchise. This is also why they are hessitant to encourage more franchise teams and are even more hessitant to encourage foreign buyers for franchises because they know all these activities will increase the pressure on them to increase their resources, drive up the value of the franchises.

4) Every team should be assigned a home ground by the PCB i.e. National Bank Stadium/Rafi Stadium for Karachi Kings, Qadhaffi Stadium for Lahore Qalandars, Rawalpindi Stadium for Islamabad United, Multan Stadium for Multan Sultants, Arbab Niaz Stadium for Peshawar Zalmi, Bugti Stadium for Quetta Gladiators. Every team should get the right to earn 100% of the gate receipts, commercial sponsorships from their home grounds, this will serve as incentive to drive up their fan engagements and to increase their promotional, membership drives to push fans to watch the games in the stadiums

4) He doesn't agree with the complaints that the National T20 Domestic Cup, Sindh Premier League, Kashmir Premier League e.t.c. are cannibalizing the share of the PSL in the market. The PSL's quality, eye balls and vision are way superior to these leagues and in fact these leagues can serve as a feeder to the PSL. The Tamil Nadu Premier League or Karnataka T-20 League did not harm IPL in India.
 
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If Dean Jones was a good coach, he would have been utilized by Australia or India or any other country.

He was only able to impress and con PCB with his data gimmicks. Australia, India and others knew that an unstable and unpredictable person was not suitable to be a coach.
bro that is not a standard.

India had Shastri as there coach.
 
Karachi Kings can only be revived if they stop making stupid picks and start retaining good players. Letting Imad, amir and babar go just for Shan to be the captain in the end is never going to work.
 
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