Faf du Plessis says South Africa tried to stop Rabada from playing in IPL to remain fresh for WC2019

[Pakhs]

so, RSA's fortunes are solely dependant on KG. KG for God

No but they needed him to take early wickets compare that to someone like Amir who didnt play the England series and turned out to be a blessing in disguise. He is totally fresh and that is showing in his bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

So he said BBL is nothing compared to IPL? Take a rest today arguments are just not making sense. Faf is a better over all player knows more about the IPL and he said the better preparation would have been to skip the IPL you are no-one to say otherwise.

Yes my arguments aren’t making sense because I was the one to bring Morgan’s Test credentials to the table.

Let me make it easy for you:

Faf hasn’t played in the BBL for 7 years, but Morgan has played in both competitions in recent years. Hence, he is in a better position to judge which tournament is better, and if he thinks that the IPL was a better preparation for Archer, no one can dispute him.

You are right that I am no one to challenge Faf if he is blaming IPL for Rabada running out of steam and Steyn getting injured, but the problem is that Faf is coming across as a blithering hypocrite.

If he really thinks playing in the IPL put his players at injury risk, why did he play at the age of 35? One injury and the South Africa’s captain would have been on the sidelines.

If he really believes what he is saying, he would have skipped the IPL and made a point, which would have added credibility to complaint that Steyn and Rabada have suffered because of the IPL.

People who are bitter when it comes to IPL’s success and cannot digest the fact that it is a huge deal will obviously get excited over Faf’s statement, but it doesn’t take much to come to the conclusion that Faf’s moaning doesn’t have a whiff of credibility and he is simply deflecting the blame onto anything that he can latch on at this point.

His players aren’t the only ones who played in the IPL, and I don’t see any other captain complaining.

 

[Pakhs]

All of India's and NZ's frontline bowlers played full IPL. Both teams are undefeated.

SA have failed manage Rabada's workload. They have used a Ferrari as an ox cart.

NZ players play a lot less than most teams in general anyway so playing in IPL didnt matter to them. And also India preparation has definitely been affected - it can be said that Bumrah has not been as good as we know he can be and Bhuvi had broken down. India can afford that due to having a big squad.

 

[Pakhs]

Yes my arguments aren’t making sense because I was the one to bring Morgan’s Test credentials to the table.

Let me make it easy for you:

Faf hasn’t played in the BBL for 7 years, but Morgan has played in both competitions in recent years. Hence, he is in a better position to judge which tournament is better, and if he thinks that the IPL was a better preparation for Archer, no one can dispute him.

You are right that I am no one to challenge Faf if he is blaming IPL for Rabada running out of steam and Steyn getting injured, but the problem is that Faf is coming across as a blithering hypocrite.

If he really thinks playing in the IPL put his players at injury risk, why did he play at the age of 35? One injury and the South Africa’s captain would have been on the sidelines.

If he really believes what he is saying, he would have skipped the IPL and made a point, which would have added credibility to complaint that Steyn and Rabada have suffered because of the IPL.

People who are bitter when it comes to IPL’s success and cannot digest the fact that it is a huge deal will obviously get excited over Faf’s statement, but it doesn’t take much to come to the conclusion that Faf’s moaning doesn’t have a whiff of credibility and he is simply deflecting the blame onto anything that he can latch on at this point.

His players aren’t the only ones who played in the IPL, and I don’t see any other captain complaining.

IPL is the biggest money making league and Rabada regardless of WC performance will consider himself better off playing in the league. Rabada is among the best player in the league and had no benefit in playing the league other than making the cash which he did. Cricket is not war its just a game and players are never going to let go of the cash is given the chance. However you have no business in denying what Faf is saying so stop hero worshiping etc. Your flawed arguments have been exposed, you are so much in awe of IPL and hero worshiping that you are angry and upset FAF made these comments. My advise to you is get on with it.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

NZ players play a lot less than most teams in general anyway so playing in IPL didnt matter to them. And also India preparation has definitely been affected - it can be said that Bumrah has not been as good as we know he can be and Bhuvi had broken down. India can afford that due to having a big squad.

Squad size is same for everyone, 15.

 

[thanuu]

No but they needed him to take early wickets compare that to someone like Amir who didnt play the England series and turned out to be a blessing in disguise. He is totally fresh and that is showing in his bowling.

what rubbish, Amir always bowls well in english conditions, it has nothing too do with being fresh or anything. yes workload has its toll on bowlers but blaming IPL for that when he himself is part of it a big wow

 

[Mp812]

All of India's and NZ's frontline bowlers played full IPL. Both teams are undefeated.

SA have failed manage Rabada's workload. They have used a Ferrari as an ox cart.

Blaming ipl for own faults has become fashion. The Indian and ÑZ players played ipl and seem to be doing fine. Warner and Smith played ipl and have played impactful and long innimgs.

Anyway with players like amla who scores rarely of late and duminy and others SA was bound to fail. Rabada did bowl an awesome spell against India did he not?

Teams which played a full odi series in England to a get used to world cup conditions are at bottom of table while ipl player heavy teams are at top 4 of table. Tells a story

 

[Pakhs]

Squad size is same for everyone, 15.

When i say squad size I mean they have the players to replace injured players, just link Pant who has 2 away test centuries in the last year replacing Dhawan outside of the 15.

 

[thanuu]

No but they needed him to take early wickets compare that to someone like Amir who didnt play the England series and turned out to be a blessing in disguise. He is totally fresh and that is showing in his bowling.

KG was not at his best in India's tour of RSA. Took a mere 5 in the ODI's

 

[Pakhs]

what rubbish, Amir always bowls well in english conditions, it has nothing too do with being fresh or anything. yes workload has its toll on bowlers but blaming IPL for that when he himself is part of it a big wow

Its not Rubbish Amir pace is up as well not just bowling well. He openly blamed work load for his lack of pace in the recent past and now bowling more like the pace he was bowling in the past at one point he was bowling below 80MPH before this rest.

He is not blaming IPL he is saying Rabada should have rested instead for better preparation which is definitely correct.

 

[Pakhs]

KG was not at his best in India's tour of RSA. Took a mere 5 in the ODI's

That was long back now and plus India has a good batting line up but Rabada couldn't hustle even Harris Sohail who couldn't handle Russel against WI due to lack of pace.

 

[thanuu]

Its not Rubbish Amir pace is up as well not just bowling well. He openly blamed work load for his lack of pace in the recent past and now bowling more like the pace he was bowling in the past at one point he was bowling below 80MPH before this rest.

He is not blaming IPL he is saying Rabada should have rested instead for better preparation which is definitely correct.

if you look at last year ODI stats for KG

 

[thanuu]

Its not Rubbish Amir pace is up as well not just bowling well. He openly blamed work load for his lack of pace in the recent past and now bowling more like the pace he was bowling in the past at one point he was bowling below 80MPH before this rest.

He is not blaming IPL he is saying Rabada should have rested instead for better preparation which is definitely correct.

if you look at last year ODI stats for KG he averages 33, if you add 2017 then it is a bit better. either He is found out or degrading due to the workload. Bringing IPPL into the mix is pretty lame.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

South African pacers are either injured, out of form, or on a kolpak
While their batsmen are so good they can’t find room for bavuma

Rabada is averaging 50 this World Cup, Allen Donald eat your heart out

 

[Pakhs]

if you look at last year ODI stats for KG he averages 33, if you add 2017 then it is a bit better. either He is found out or degrading due to the workload. Bringing IPPL into the mix is pretty lame.

He is struggling due to work load I think most people can see that, FAF said they couldnt rest him in international due to quota etc then he definitely should have rested during IPL. But I dont blame IPL or Rabada even Amir if given a chance would have played IPL and sacrificed WC preparations. Its a lot of money and at the end of the day players no its only a game and once they retire they would rather have the money in the bank.

 

[SportsWarrior]

KG was always a very average LOI bowler. His stats are good but not wow inspiring like his test stats are. by the way if we are going take Ashwin and Jadeja's test stats with pinch of salt, we should do the same for KG. his stats are boosted by extremely friendly tracks he gets at home. He will still be a very good bowler as he is capable of reaching 150+ speeds but Bumrah, Cummins and even Starc will be better alround bowlers than him. Currently the best all format bowlers are Bumrah, Kuldeep, Cummins, Boult, and Starc. Archer and Chahal have the skills to join that rank if they are given opportunities

 

[SportsWarrior]

ALso, i don't understand the concern about workload. All players play lot of cricket and Indians more so. Bumrah. Kohli, Bhuvi etc have been rested repeatedly by supposedly money hungry BCCI. Why can't other boards do? I thought SA was brimming with fast bowling talent. No one forced KG or any other players to play in Indian domestic tournament. They do it either because it earns them money or provides them with the right exposure. All Indian players, Key NZ, Aussie and English players played in IPL and are currently doing perfectly fine.

 

[Pakpak]

Rabada is only a good Test bowler, in ODIs has been average. Nothing special.

 

[Realromeo]

Heartbreaking. Big names are totally failed in WC. Amla, miller, de kock.

To be honest, they are all pretty short names. the Sri Lankans have big names.

 

[Realromeo]

ALso, i don't understand the concern about workload. All players play lot of cricket and Indians more so. Bumrah. Kohli, Bhuvi etc have been rested repeatedly by supposedly money hungry BCCI. Why can't other boards do? I thought SA was brimming with fast bowling talent. No one forced KG or any other players to play in Indian domestic tournament. They do it either because it earns them money or provides them with the right exposure. All Indian players, Key NZ, Aussie and English players played in IPL and are currently doing perfectly fine.

No one is blaming IPL. He is blaming Rabada and few others for going. Why do Indians always take offense to everything ? Jesus. Pretty sure on their national contracts it says they are an employee of CSA(throw out the year) and they are only allowed to leave with the permission of CSA. CSA was being nice and requested them and Rabada and the rest said "no". No one is blaming IPL. Relax.

 

[Bhaijaan]

You cannot stop a player from participating in the most premier competition in the world.

It’s hard for many people to admit but the IPL took over the World Cup in popularity few years ago.

Although both forms of cricket are an abomination.

Test cricket is the only real form of cricket and that is where legends are made.

KG will be back to being a champion in test cricket and IPLs. A bad world up means little.

 

[SportsWarrior]

No one is blaming IPL. He is blaming Rabada and few others for going. Why do Indians always take offense to everything ? Jesus. Pretty sure on their national contracts it says they are an employee of CSA(throw out the year) and they are only allowed to leave with the permission of CSA. CSA was being nice and requested them and Rabada and the rest said "no". No one is blaming IPL. Relax.

i was not defending IPL. i was pointing fingers at their board for not safeguarding their key assets. If Rabda was so overworked why send him to IPL? Starc opted out of it, and many English players left in the middle. Nothing stops SA team from managing their players in a better way.

IPL is a money making entity. they will do whatever they need to do to make more money. Everyone else should take care of their assets and see how to optimize the IPL opportunity with long term balance for their players.

 

[SportsWarrior]

You cannot stop a player from participating in the most premier competition in the world.

It’s hard for many people to admit but the IPL took over the World Cup in popularity few years ago.

Although both forms of cricket are an abomination.

Test cricket is the only real form of cricket and that is where legends are made.

KG will be back to being a champion in test cricket and IPLs. A bad world up means little.

Honestly a bad world cup for SA means little to anyone, including their players. It is not like they have any great legacy in WCs

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Honestly a bad world cup for SA means little to anyone, including their players. It is not like they have any great legacy in WCs

Lol what? They had a bad world cup thats why they are trying to find the real reasons behind it. Not sure why you have to bring in their legacy in WCs to defend IPL?

 

[Syed1]

Lol what? They had a bad world cup thats why they are trying to find the real reasons behind it. Not sure why you have to bring in their legacy in WCs to defend IPL?

This thread is like your moment of redemption... enjoy to the max

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No one is blaming IPL. He is blaming Rabada and few others for going. Why do Indians always take offense to everything ? Jesus. Pretty sure on their national contracts it says they are an employee of CSA(throw out the year) and they are only allowed to leave with the permission of CSA. CSA was being nice and requested them and Rabada and the rest said "no". No one is blaming IPL. Relax.

We have some over emotional and sensitive fans online. If you want to have good relations with us you will have to keep praising us. That's how it works here. Anyone who goes against this theory becomes a traitor, jealous or a Pakistani.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This thread is like your moment of redemption... enjoy to the max

Every thread is like that. This is nothing new.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Rabada tends to underperform in major tournaments esp ODI's. He was mediocre in CT17 as well.
That said, he hasn't really sorted out his ODI bowling as much as he has done with Tests and T20s.

 

[Savak]

Personally feel Rabada is over rated. He is a nothing bowler outside his fast bouncy home conditions. He benefited a lot from Morne Morkel, Vernon Philander, Kyle Abbot and Dwayne Ollivier. He cant carry a bowling attack on his shoulders

 

[Savak]

For the future, the BCCI should arrange the IPL after the WC like they did in 2011. IPL is a very taxing and exhausting tournament and you can't blame players who are selected in it especially those making big life changing bucks i.e. close to a $million for playing in it. But its a 2 month long tournament which takes a lot out of players, T-20 cricket unlike ODI and Test Cricket is very fast and requires sublime fitness, energy.

Better to arrange it after the world cup so that we can atleast enjoy a world cup with fresh and fit players.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Faf can't say stuff like that. Anyway he's actually right in that KG's bowling workload has been way too much for a 24 year old and it's not just IPL. CSA are also to blame for playing him across all formats round the year.

KG's workload is high since he has to be played in every SA match to meet CSA quotas, as their only world class player of colour.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Better to arrange it after the world cup so that we can atleast enjoy a world cup with fresh and fit players.

Wouldn't help Rabada.

CSA would play him in every international to meet their quotas.

Problem is CSA, not IPL.

Faf is a coward here. Even Rabada himself has spoken up against it.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Lol what? They had a bad world cup thats why they are trying to find the real reasons behind it. Not sure why you have to bring in their legacy in WCs to defend IPL?

I asked what they are ashamed off? As far as world cups are concerned only thing they have is series if brain fades and chokes. They have blamed everything including rain and rules multiple times. They will be blaming that pitches were too slow and aiding spin when they crash out of 2023 edition. May be real reason behind is lack of ability to play under pressure. Any fan who has followed them for last thirty years will tell them that for free.

By the way no one is defending IPL. I was pointing out at their plain incompetence.

 

[SportsWarrior]

For the future, the BCCI should arrange the IPL after the WC like they did in 2011. IPL is a very taxing and exhausting tournament and you can't blame players who are selected in it especially those making big life changing bucks i.e. close to a $million for playing in it. But its a 2 month long tournament which takes a lot out of players, T-20 cricket unlike ODI and Test Cricket is very fast and requires sublime fitness, energy.

Better to arrange it after the world cup so that we can atleast enjoy a world cup with fresh and fit players.

They should arrange exactly when it is being arranged and respective boards should show some backbone and pull their player and protect them. By they way World Cup in 2023 is planned in the month if feb and March

 

[latecut]

South Africans have been choking in world cups right from 1992. There was no IPL before 2008, but that did not stop South Africa from getting eliminated at the first sight of pressure in world cups of 1999, 2003 and 2007.

Some day even Afghanistan may win world cup, but I do not think South Africa, despite all their bilateral series exploits is going to win world cups.

 

[Realromeo]

We have some over emotional and sensitive fans online. If you want to have good relations with us you will have to keep praising us. That's how it works here. Anyone who goes against this theory becomes a traitor, jealous or a Pakistani.

So sensitive and loser like behaviour. Embarrassing.

 

[Realromeo]

i was not defending IPL. i was pointing fingers at their board for not safeguarding their key assets. If Rabda was so overworked why send him to IPL? Starc opted out of it, and many English players left in the middle. Nothing stops SA team from managing their players in a better way.

IPL is a money making entity. they will do whatever they need to do to make more money. Everyone else should take care of their assets and see how to optimize the IPL opportunity with long term balance for their players.

You still didn't get the point.