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Faheem Ashraf belongs in the T20I Side

He's worth his place as a batsman alone, which is as much an indictment of Pakistan's actual batmsen than it is of his own talent.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Faheem Ashraf looks a different players since his work with Mohammad Yousuf:<br><br>30* off 12 balls today<br>78* in the 2nd Test in Rawalpindi <br>64 in the 1st Test in Karachi<br>48 in the 2nd Test in Christchurch<br>91 in the 1st Test in Mount Maunganui<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1360601067982098439?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Should Faheem Ashraf bat higher in T20s?

Brilliant cameo from him today
Why is he batting at 7?

Pakistan management should use him form and give him an opportunity at no.5 for the decider.
 
He saved some grace for Pakistan today. Otherwise it was looking like the total will be around 125-130.

30 from 12 is great in any situation.
 
Some may not like him but he is the best we have got in term of a stroke player. We have to live with it
 
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Faheem Ashraf - Strike Rate in T20Is

v Pace - 153.1
v Spin - 48.6

Needs to improve this quickly.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Faheem Ashraf - Strike Rate in T20Is

v Pace - 153.1
v Spin - 48.6

Needs to improve this quickly.
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Smarter tactics would have him bat up the order, to maximise his strengths against pace and minimise his weaknesses.

However it's important that the coach/captain be less rigid and more willing to try new approaches, like Faheem up the order, but not as a slogger.
 
Faheem really being taken to the cleaners by Miller in this final over. These runs are hurting us bad
 
Bowling in the slot and at his pace that is just meat and drink to batsmen like Miller.

Clueless bowling.
 
Such an insanely garbage bowler. Lucky we won first t20 with his harmless pies being served.

Just become a pure batsman man. Do the dash on em with the bat, leave the bowling to true bowlers.

His bowling is worse than Anwar Ali
 
Was never a death bowler.

Babar, ***?!?!

Why use him at the death? An allrounder?
 
All it takes is 1 good performance from an average player and our fans forget the truth reality of the player.
 
He has badly regressed as a bowler. He should not be played if he doesn't get his bowling up to par. I don't want another Abdul Razzaq situation.
 
why was he bowling at the death? thats not his strong suit and never has been... poor captaincy tbh
 
25 runs from that last over. Horrible horrible bowling. Time to make it up with the bat, let's not forget he's still our 2nd best batsman at the moment.
 
He's lost quite a bit of pace. I seem to recall he could bowl in the 140's earlier on in his career, now barely gets it above 130kph. Maybe he'll score a quickfire 50 to shut up the critics. Was not really his fault he was left to bowl the last over when there was so many spin overs left unused.
 
Babar is over estimating faheems bowling capabilities

Hes not a death bowler nor is he a frontline pacer Awful decision to bowl him at the end
 
Couldn't take the team over the line today.

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Unreliable bowler and hitter. Should not be selected unless he can be relied upon to bowl well consistently
 
Savak said:
Unreliable bowler and hitter. Should not be selected unless he can be relied upon to bowl well consistently
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He is a reliable middle overs bowler. But you have to be next level dumb to make him bowl at death 3 games in a row and fail each time.
 
Madplayer said:
He is a reliable middle overs bowler. But you have to be next level dumb to make him bowl at death 3 games in a row and fail each time.
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Babar’s thought process was fine, Hasan and Shaheen were trusted to get Miller and Faheem would never have had to experience this embarrassment. However, Shaheen and Hasan got a phainta themselves and it all went pear-shaped.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Babar’s thought process was fine, Hasan and Shaheen were trusted to get Miller and Faheem would never have had to experience this embarrassment. However, Shaheen and Hasan got a phainta themselves and it all went pear-shaped.
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Yup. Should have bowled an extra over of spin in between so he wouldn’t have had to bowl Faheem’s third over. But it’s not the end of the world, Babar will learn from this.
 
Faheem has improved his batting and can be a reliable middle over bowler in T20s. But we have to use him according to the conditions. For Tests, he should play almost every game regardless of where we’re playing in the world. But for T20Is, we don’t really need him in Subcontinent conditions. When Imad and Shadab return, it would make sense to play the extra spinner instead of Faheem. Especially considering the World Cup is in India this year.
 
fahim shouldnt have bowled the last over nawaz should have bowled another over just before the 15th over
 
Saj said:
Bowling in the slot and at his pace that is just meat and drink to batsmen like Miller.

Clueless bowling.
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He is not a death bowler should be used more cleverly to get overs out of him in the middle overs.
 
Brilliant start to PSL 6 from Faheem! Given the new ball in the 2nd over, gets the crucial wicket of Lynn and concedes 2 in his first over.
 
Firebat said:
Brilliant start to PSL 6 from Faheem! Given the new ball in the 2nd over, gets the crucial wicket of Lynn and concedes 2 in his first over.
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Footage of that:

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Faheem single handedly keeping his team in this game with the bat. After all, saving the top and middle order isn't new for him
 
Couldn't take the team home this time

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Faheem for No. 5 or 6. Opinions?

Opinion on Faheem to replace Danish/Haider/Asif for 5 or six number, he's innings builder with ability to play shots, put away bad balls, something Haider/Danish are unable to do.

Faheem is given role of slogging in last overs which he is not clearly fit for, to go from ball one or to hit every ball out of park, and suddenly in collapse situations he's asked to score 50 odd with tail hanging.

Experience also gives boost to confidence, he's mostly asked to slog in last overs and suddenly in collapse he's asked to chase 50 runs on his own. With players like Asif Ali, he can atleast play his shots and secure his wicket.

When he has time to settle in he has shown his caliber e.g. innings against NZ in 2016 1st odi in rain affected match, he was building steady chase with Fakhar at other end when all others failed to good bowling by Boult, NZ swinged and bounced out our top and middle order. He played really well with healthy run rate, good shots and might even lead to win with Fakhar had rain not interrupted.
 
When he has time to settle in he has shown his caliber e.g. innings against NZ in 2016 1st odi in rain affected match, he was building steady chase with Fakhar at other end when all others failed to good bowling by Boult, NZ swinged and bounced out our top and middle order. He played really well with healthy run rate, good shots and might even lead to win with Fakhar had rain not interrupted.

I believe with enough experience and confidence, he can lead run chases on his own with tail by his side, if not this role that is if he's persisted at number 7 then he will have to develop his power hitting skills to come close to Russel Pollard or Pandya otherwise you can have him like this until some genuine power hitter with good bowling replaces him, but since it is hard to find pace bowling all rounder in Pakistan I think we're under utilizing him.
 
I believe with enough experience and confidence, he can lead run chases on his own with tail by his side, if not this role that is if he's persisted at number 7 then he will have to develop his power hitting skills to come close to Russel Pollard or Pandya otherwise you can have him like this until some genuine power hitter with good bowling replaces him, but since it is hard to find pace bowling all rounder in Pakistan I think we're under utilizing him.
 
Misbah has spoiled this team and running out of options for middle order batsman and plays his buddy Asif ali ahead of all

Sharjeel, Abdullah Shafique and Haider Ali are in the bench today when danish and Asif played ahead of them. This will not happen in a franchise team.

Misbah put rizwan to open and made Sharjeel and Fakhar who are primarily openers to either sit out or bat at different positions. Now running out of middle order options. Misbah is a master on how to collapse or damage a team.
The batting order should have been as below and this is what a sensible coach would pick.

Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Haider ali
Rizwan
 
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Babar Hafeez Haider ali and Rizwan should be forming the middle order with Sharjeel and Fakhar opening the inns.

Once clueless captain , now clueless coach
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Misbah has spoiled this team and running out of options for middle order batsman and plays his buddy Asif ali ahead of all

Sharjeel, Abdullah Shafique and Haider Ali are in the bench today when danish and Asif played ahead of them. This will not happen in a franchise team.

Misbah put rizwan to open and made Sharjeel and Fakhar who are primarily openers to either sit out or bat at different positions. Now running out of middle order options. Misbah is a master on how to collapse or damage a team.
The batting order should have been as below and this is what a sensible coach would pick.

Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Haider ali
Rizwan
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Apart from Sharjeel, who's having fitness issues, Misbah cant be blamed much, I mean he has thrown away Iftikhar Khusdil and whom not and gave chances to Haider Ali and Danish Aziz, not his fault if they're not performing, what other options in squad other than Asif Ali if Haider Ali is not performing. Regarding Sharjeel, it was expected Fakhar would play his role since Sharjeel seems to have fitness issues, and Rizwan and Babar at top is lengthy debate, with both sides having good points.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Babar Hafeez Haider ali and Rizwan should be forming the middle order with Sharjeel and Fakhar opening the inns.

Once clueless captain , now clueless coach
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Rizwan does not have skills to play at five or six, I think it is proven, everyone knows that, he might adjust to three or four in t20s but that is doubtful, still one of Fakhar/Sharjeel/Babar/Rizwan will have to sit out, or you can play all four and move Hafeez to no.5.
 
Faheem Ashraf averages less than Asif Ali, and I know averages don’t matter as much as the strike rate does for lower order batsmen but, averaging 12 is just ridiculous.
 
I don’t think he is a T20 player. He needs a while to accelerate with the bat and his bowling is simple line and length, once he is knocked off of that he has no clue.
 
Faheem is awful Theres no excuse to avge 12 None whatsoever Noones expecting brilliant things from him but at least show some brains

He clearly isnt a t20 batsman and should be treates like a tail bowler Even at 8-9 is too high for him
 
He's extremely poor LOI batsman. Higher score of 30 afrer 4 years is unacceptable for a so called all rounder. IMO he should be dropped
 
criclover2311 said:
Apart from Sharjeel, who's having fitness issues, Misbah cant be blamed much, I mean he has thrown away Iftikhar Khusdil and whom not and gave chances to Haider Ali and Danish Aziz, not his fault if they're not performing, what other options in squad other than Asif Ali if Haider Ali is not performing. Regarding Sharjeel, it was expected Fakhar would play his role since Sharjeel seems to have fitness issues, and Rizwan and Babar at top is lengthy debate, with both sides having good points.
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I have given you the batting order above, nvm if need to send rizwan up to 4 and push Hafeez to 6. Well that’s a very big ego to handle with Hafeez. He performs or not he will not have any one take his no.4 spot.
 
Faheem clearly isnt a limited overs all rounder

The qs is Is he good enough to play solely as a bowler?

If he isnt than he needs dropping
 
The only two players that can occupy all rounder role in the LOI teams are Imad and Shadab. Nawaz and Faheem are poor in batting for limited over cricket.
 
Letting him play as an allrounder at this point, in reality is just saying we don't trust him enough as a bowler. Even some of our specialist bowlers e.g. Hasan, Amir in the past perform better with the bat than him. And it's right we don't trust him as a fast bowler, every specialist fast bowler has responsibility to bowl at the death. Faheem is considered to be able to bowl at the death reliably.

I think his test career will come crashing down too soon enough. I'd rather have someone in at 6 who can reliably make 100s than a guy who gets a 50 a few times and main job as a bowler to to relieve the workload of the other fast bowlers. Never seen a good allrounder who wasn't couldn't hold down a place in either batting or bowling. Not sure I see this guy ever getting a test century or running through a bowling side with the ball.
 
He should continue to bat at 8 in all formats.hes not good enough to bat at 6 or 7
 
He's a player who you almost want to step up to the next level because we don't have too many of this type of player.

At the moment he's lacking consistency. A couple of decent matches, followed by a terrible match, followed by a good match.

His bowling has improved and he's bowling some good cross-seam deliveries and a better length. His batting has shown some signs of improvement but still needs work.
 
Saj said:
He's a player who you almost want to step up to the next level because we don't have too many of this type of player.

At the moment he's lacking consistency. A couple of decent matches, followed by a terrible match, followed by a good match.

His bowling has improved and he's bowling some good cross-seam deliveries and a better length. His batting has shown some signs of improvement but still needs work.
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It is because you want him to hit like Pandya or Russel sending him at no.7 or 8, he's not power hitter or slogger, and in case of collapses when we expect from him, guy needs experience and confidence but since he hardly bats up the order we want him once in a moon to chase a target of 50-60 runs in steady manner while in previous 5 matches he's sent in last two overs to hit few sixes.

Faheem is best utilized up the order no.5 esp. in ODIS or he'll have to put in alot of work off field to gain power hitting ability, He has few shots which he can hit out of park but not like Pandya Jadedja or Russel that we expect from him. Even Ben stokes play at 4 not at 8, Ben stokes is also steady builder, he hits out of park when only ball is in his slot.
 
Is an enigma with the bat...very inconsistent in limited overs cricket while in test cricket, he has been very consistent and scores at a very good strike rate....
 
Hes not inconsistent in limted overs cricket

Hes consistently poor with the bat avges 12 in odis and 12 in t20s over a more than decent sample size

A call needs to be made on his role He clesrly isnt an all rounder in the limited overs format no matter how much the think tank want him to be

They seem to be mixing formats n forcing a square peg into a round hole Just because hes scored in tests doesnt make him a limited overs all rounder

Half of our middle order collapses are due to the fact we are playing the likes of nawaz n faheen as all rounders at 6 n 7 when they r glorified taildenders
 
Zaz said:
They seem to be mixing formats n forcing a square peg into a round hole Just because hes scored in tests doesnt make him a limited overs all rounder
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Why not?
He isn't a defensive player and if he can score runs on difficult pitches at a good str rate, what stops him from doing the same in lois.
The problem is he isn't a pinch hitter(the role which he is playing nowadays) , he should bat at no. 5 where he can block out a few balls before attacking.

In the history of cricket, I haven't heard of an attacking player who FAILED in lois and did well in tests.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Why not?
He isn't a defensive player and if he can score runs on difficult pitches at a good str rate, what stops him from doing the same in lois.
The problem is he isn't a pinch hitter(the role which he is playing nowadays) , he should bat at no. 5 where he can block out a few balls before attacking.

In the history of cricket, I haven't heard of an attacking player who FAILED in lois and did well in tests.
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He isnt going to get a gig at 5 You have to show some promise for that because its a prime batting slot

Nobody plays him as a pinch hitter He bats at 7 usually
Theres no reason absolute no reason for him to have an to avge 12s in odis n t20s

In odis he has plenty of time to have a look n consistently make decent lower order contributions n avge 20 why he doesnt is because he isnt capable Theres a big enough sample now

Not all test batsmen are decent limited overs players n vice versa
 
If the pitches are to go like anything that was ai the MCG for this world cup, Pak may really miss Faheem who could ahve been a handful here.
 
ex-q-zit said:
If the pitches are to go like anything that was ai the MCG for this world cup, Pak may really miss Faheem who could ahve been a handful here.
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I was thinking the same, looks like he was Babar'ed out of the 11. I think Saqlain has this job because he agrees with Babar, Faheem was dropped form the team when Misbah left.
 
A disastrous return to the side

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He does not belong to any international side.
What was he doing in the team today.
Problem is he is Shadabs friend and Nawaz Sharifs parchi.
 
2 off 8 balls and didn't bowl.

A couple of good games at the PSL doesn't change things completely.
 
Saj said:
2 off 8 balls and didn't bowl.

A couple of good games at the PSL doesn't change things completely.
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I find it crazy that he batted at 9 and didn't get a single over.
What was the point in selecting him?

Especially a wicket that was taking turn and the Aghan medium pacers were cutting the ball both ways. If I recall correctly, Faheem has bowled some excellent leg cutters in the past so seems unbelievable that, once selected, he wasn't even tried with the ball.
 
I have been saying , he was a failed investment for 7 years and we should not have brought him back.
 
Faheem isn't a world-beater but if there ever was a pitch where he could've excelled with his cutters and line & length blowing, it was this one. Terrible decision not to give him any overs.
 
Firebat said:
A disastrous return to the side

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I remember, when Faheem was a regular in ODI and T20 team (~2017 - 2021), almost all the time he would get out in ways like this, it actually became sad to see at once...

In Test Cricket, however, I did notice that his batting greatly improved, he is a good test player.
 
He’s a leg side slogger not a player who’ll make a run a ball 20 on a bowler friendly wicket he’s not good enough to do that.
 
His one innings for IU in PSL 8 has gotten him this recall. He will struggle in this series.
 
Dropped for the 2nd T20I - good decision as was of no use, atleast on the Sharjah surface
 
Faheem Ashraf belongs to the list of not to be ever played for the national team forever.
 
After 7 years of failed experiment we should have learnt, this guy doesn't deserve to be in Pakistan color in any format whatever and whenever he occasionally performs a bit in domestic cricket.
 
Had a brief purple patch in Tests but besides that, he'll go down as one of the worst international cricketers of all time. Very lucky to have had little competition for seam bowling ARs until recently.
 
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