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Faheem Ashraf's inspid bowling can no longer be tolerated

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He almost cost us today's game conceding 4 sixes in the final over. His bowling is absolutely pedestrian right now and his pace is badly down, the PCB needs to tell him unless he gets that pace up to at-least 136 km/hr and can bowl Yorkers at the death, he will not be considered for selection for Pakistan. Right now he is just playing as a batsman and the is not a reliable hitter of the ball either. Maybe in the future the team management should consider sending him up the order against pace because spin is not his forte. In test cricket he has the luxury of time and fielders in the ring therefore he takes his time and can wait for the bad delivery but he has no such luxury in ODI's or T-20 Cricket where he has to hit from ball one whereas he needs to play atleast 20-30 deliveries before going for his shots.
 
Yeah right now he’s a hitter masquerading as a bowler.

Just seeing him bowl makes me angry. Harmless deliveries that you just need to get a little bit of bat on and you’ll get mucho runs.

Personally, never saw anything in his bowling. Batting is where his talents lie.
 
Should be used as a spare 6th bowler rather than one of your main stock bowlers.

Batting has improved significantly but bowling is more of the same.
 
Relax, he's doing ok as a 3rd/4th choice seamer relative to the other pacers.

While he was better than Rauf, Shaheen's figures are only marginally better.

There's room for improvement but saying his bowling is insipid but giving a free pass to others can not be tolerated either.

Check the bowling stats and you will see.
 
Faheem should not be bowling the final over, it was poor captaincy.

Ever Razzaq and Mehmood hardly bowled at the death in their hay days. Its a special art.
 
If he can average 135kph in Tests without spraying the ball (still hitting the length he hits), he will be a useful 5th bowler and will provide PAK options.

Having said that, his length is pretty much perfect for hitting across the line for batsmen freeing their arms. Would not want him bowling at all post 15th over in T20s or 40/42nd over in ODIs.

Nawaz and Qadir, combined, had 3 overs remaining. Wonder why they were not bowled.
 
He won you a T20, just three games ago in New Zealand with his bowling. Miller has taken apart much better bowlers than Faheem at the death, so this was no surprise to be honest. He is not good enough to stop a rampaging Miller, even if he starts bowling at 140 clicks.
 
He can definitely be used as a third seamer in Asia, where we will most likely play three spinners. We just need to use him smartly. Using him to bowl the final over when Miller is going ballistic is not smart.
 
He's a decent bowler, but i agree, he had a shocker of a last over.

I wouldn't be reactionary about it though.
 
He should not be entrusted with death bowling.

In t20s he should bowl between 7th to 15th overs. Not before or after that.
 
His bowling is t20 league material. It will bring him a lot of wickets there. But international cricket is too good to not punish loose deliveries.
 
He is a decent 5th bowler, just not good enough to bowl the final over. Infact Babar should be blamed for not rotating the bowlers better.
 
He should focus on his batting, his bowling is just not good enough for a front line seamer
 
It can be tolerated and it will be tolerated. We should be glad we have a half way decent seam bowling all-rounder.
 
He walks into the current Pak team with batting alone. His bowling is pretty decent in seaming conditions.
 
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And the obsession of Pakistani fans of criticizing and finding faults in performing players continues lol. Faheem is more than a decent bowler. He was utilized badly. He is a bowler that should not be bowling in the death. Just last series in NZ he was a stand-out bowler in the t20 series. Only now that he has started performing in the batting department suddenly his bowling is a problem. Crazy fandom this
 
KoyoAli said:
And the obsession of Pakistani fans of criticizing and finding faults in performing players continues lol. Faheem is more than a decent bowler. He was utilized badly. He is a bowler that should not be bowling in the death. Just last series in NZ he was a stand-out bowler in the t20 series. Only now that he has started performing in the batting department suddenly his bowling is a problem. Crazy fandom this
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Pretty much the problem.

He should be used like Jackson Bird was by the Sixers last season and the one before. Kept away from the death like the plague and bowled the bulk of his overs between overs 6-12 of the innings.
 
Surprised you haven't put in the OP to hire a certain coach to save him since that's your answer to everything.
 
He is bowling low 130s thats due to his injury right now. he is bowling ok good lengths Miller was exceptional. Also the captain needs to use him properly using him at opening or at end is criminal
 
I think it's a bit pathetic to take out our frustrations on Faheem Ashraf. It's not his fault that the captain doesn't know where to bowl him. He's not a death over specialist, he shouldn't be bowling more than two or three overs a game, and those overs should be at the front-end of the innings.

He's on the team as a batting all-rounder, so he should be utilized as such. Have you ever seen India give Hardik Pandya the 20th over? The obvious answer is no, because they have quality in the likes of Bumrah who perform that role. If Hardik were to bowl, he'd bowl somewhere in the middle overs.

You can't blame your resources when they aren't being employed effectively, and Babar needs to learn this very soon. Nawaz should have bowled all 4 overs, Qadir should have finished his spell too. Similarly, there was no pressure built on Miller through stopping singles, and keeping his partner on strike. Had we made those field placements and kept his partner on strike, SAF would not have made it past 100.

Babar has about 20 or so games before the WC to get his captaincy act together, and know when to shuffle his bowlers and when to stick with bowlers at their respective roles. If Babar wanted to exhaust Shaheen's full quota earlier, he should have saved Hasan for the death, not Faheem.

Right now, Faheem has been performing well, especially in test cricket. He might not be a wicket-taker, but he's good enough with the ball to be a 4th seamer to rest the genuine quicks. His batting has been good off late.
 
have heard of fast bowling, seam bowling, swing bowling, spin bowling... but never ever have I heard of Inspid bowling...

What is it?
 
The short-term and selective memory of Pakistani fans truly astonishes me.

Faheem Ashraf had a really good series with the ball in NZ and often looked like our most convincing bowler.

However, I do agree with what most people have suggested - Faheem should not be bowling in the death overs.
 
Crazy that for Faheem we consider his bowling terrible and still away from home his average vs the top 5 sides is 23.54 with the ball and an economy of 8.88. Meanwhile, the the beast and daler Haris Rauf is averaging 28.90 with an Economy of 9.96 vs top 5 sides (away from home and home).

Faheem is the least of our problems.
 
iPakistani said:
Crazy that for Faheem we consider his bowling terrible and still away from home his average vs the top 5 sides is 23.54 with the ball and an economy of 8.88. Meanwhile, the the beast and daler Haris Rauf is averaging 28.90 with an Economy of 9.96 vs top 5 sides (away from home and home).

Faheem is the least of our problems.
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I wonder how many of those wickets were taken in his first stint as Pakistan's all rounder? I said in another thread that I am sure he has dropped some pace from a few years back, iirc, he used to be able to hit 140kph, nowadays it's barely reaching 130.

Still quite a smart bowler, but at those speeds he shouldn't be bowling death overs. Maybe worth his place as a late order batsman alone anyway if the performance of some of our middle order is anything to go by.
 
He has been made to look bad by asking him to bowl the last over instead of either shaheen or Hasan Ali.
 
Theres no way he shouldve been bowling at the death

Not sure whos bright idea it was Im sure he did the same in the 2nd t20 too
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I wonder how many of those wickets were taken in his first stint as Pakistan's all rounder? I said in another thread that I am sure he has dropped some pace from a few years back, iirc, he used to be able to hit 140kph, nowadays it's barely reaching 130.

Still quite a smart bowler, but at those speeds he shouldn't be bowling death overs. Maybe worth his place as a late order batsman alone anyway if the performance of some of our middle order is anything to go by.
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Yes I remember PSL 2019 I believe he was bowling between 140-144kph.
 
You can only perform well at the death by learning in the death. Perhaps he learned and could improve? Maybe he's out on the practice pitch right now hitting six pence after six pence at the yorker length.

Shaheen can get battered at the death and so can Hasan. The most reliable death bowler was obviously Amir but we have this big drama going on between him and Waqar/Misbah.
 
He's a solid middle overs bowler to fill some overs and keep it accurate and tight, or to try to break a partnership when others are getting smashed, which we saw very much in the NZ tour. He is not anything more than that with the ball, and he's certainly not a death bowler.
 
Why He was given to bowl in the last overs? Before commenting on certain performances, you need to analyze the decisions made by management and captain on field. Faheem is NOT a specialist bowler, he is not that good in end overs.

Babar is new captain , he will learn from his mistakes. He will slowly understand how to use his bowlers in better and effective manner.
 
Savak said:
He almost cost us today's game conceding 4 sixes in the final over. His bowling is absolutely pedestrian right now and his pace is badly down, the PCB needs to tell him unless he gets that pace up to at-least 136 km/hr and can bowl Yorkers at the death, he will not be considered for selection for Pakistan. Right now he is just playing as a batsman and the is not a reliable hitter of the ball either. Maybe in the future the team management should consider sending him up the order against pace because spin is not his forte. In test cricket he has the luxury of time and fielders in the ring therefore he takes his time and can wait for the bad delivery but he has no such luxury in ODI's or T-20 Cricket where he has to hit from ball one whereas he needs to play atleast 20-30 deliveries before going for his shots.
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Exactly, I have been raising the same point on many threads.

Faheem being not a proper batsman , does not deserve a place in the team just because he scored some runs lately .

His bowling has been pathetic in all formats

He needs to be dropped from the team to give him a reality check.

He seems to be one of those player who work just enough to stay in the team and are not motivated to improve their game.

After scoring some runs , he thought his place in the team was secured, he stopped working on his bowling and pace is further down, He was not a good bowler to begin with.

Don't think his batting form will last long.
 
moghul said:
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May be, for club cricket, not beyond that.
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He is not a finished product, his bowling actually used to be his strongest suite not so long ago, he did take his batting to another level since then, he may very well improve his bowling as well.
 
Hyperion66 said:
He is not a finished product, his bowling actually used to be his strongest suite not so long ago, he did take his batting to another level since then, he may very well improve his bowling as well.
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If he is not a "finished product" after 8 years of first class cricket and 4 years of international cricket , he will never be one. His bowling has deteriorated over the years rather than improving .

We need to move on from him, lets invest on Amad Butt now, he has some pace at least and has the physique of a fast bowler.
 
He is a nothing cricketer. When he is bowling well he cannot buy a run, and when he scores some runs his bowling goes down the drain.

In short, he cannot get his game together.

This drama of him improving as a batsman and turning a corner will also end soon.

It is just a combination of some good form and good fortune, and none of that high fantasy story of Yousuf working wonders and morphing him into a quality batsman.

His form is temporary but his lack of class is permanent. A poor cricket in all formats of the game and not international material.
 
Simple questions for all the posters...?

Why have his speeds been reduced to below 130 from previouy 130-140?

I don't remember or recall him carrying an injury.
 
Kroll said:
Relax, he's doing ok as a 3rd/4th choice seamer relative to the other pacers.

While he was better than Rauf, Shaheen's figures are only marginally better.

There's room for improvement but saying his bowling is insipid but giving a free pass to others can not be tolerated either.

Check the bowling stats and you will see.
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He should bowl after the powerplay and should not bowl in the last 5 overs
 
fahim is good enough as an all rounder and should be bowling in the middle orders.the tactics from babar was poor
 
Ami said:
Simple questions for all the posters...?

Why have his speeds been reduced to below 130 from previouy 130-140?

I don't remember or recall him carrying an injury.
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Not just Faheem, most of the Pakistani pacers lose their steam at around 26-27. Similar story about Rauf, Abbas, Amir, Hasan Ali, Junaid and almost all. Where's fast bowlers from other countries reach their peak pace at 32 .

Is it age fudging, lack of fitness, lack of commitment/motivation , more interest in T20 cricket or something else ??
 
shamaan said:
fahim is good enough as an all rounder and should be bowling in the middle orders.the tactics from babar was poor
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This good enough syndrome is big problem with Pakistan cricket. We are contented with very mediocre players and performance.
 
Faheem Ashraf himself should have high standards and realize his bowling is not good enough atm. I don't want him to settle for mediocrity like Razzaq did.
 
Faheem smashes Delport's off stump out the ground with his very first ball of the match!
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Jags 1.11 degrees off the seam from a good line and length.
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Talk about seam movement.

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Faheem gets his 3rd wicket of the game, this time the set batsman Sarfaraz! Another timely strike
 
Faheem's fantastic spell of 3/11

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Faheem receiving the player of the match award for his outstanding spell of bowling:

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He was 5kph slower on avg during saf and nz series and wasn't getting any movement then as well , is he spending time with m.yousuf again this time for bowling 😂
 
His speeds were better today i.e. 137-139 km/hr.
 
Bowling at 125-128 playing for national team and at 135-140 for Franchise , very professional.
 
What’s the deal with Faheem, in 2 years he will be bowling slower than Shadab.
 
He is a decent 4th bowler, but needs to maintain some speed to remain threatening.
 
Great bowling to get the wicket of Klaasen
 
He’s a very tight bowler now. Just what we need as 5th bowler in Tests.
 
1/7 in his first 4 overs. Brilliant stuff, strangling the SA batsmen
 
Bowled well.

Kept it simple, wicket to wicket and didn't try too many things.
 
What was his avge speed yday? Its good he kept things tight but at 80mph its not always going to be threatening
 
Becoming a good all-rounder for us. Not everyone needs to be a world beater. A good, consistent player is what we need.
 
Zaz said:
What was his avge speed yday? Its good he kept things tight but at 80mph its not always going to be threatening
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In South Africa his length is key.

He bowled that nagging back of a length, which the South African batsmen struggled with.

His pace wasn't great but that shouldn't be an issue if he is accurate.
 
Faheem gets the breakthrough in his 1st over of Markram, who was looking very dangerous.
 
And faheem nearly gets another
 
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i think (at the time) OP made this in relation to tests.

There Faheem needs to up his game as well as he has done with the bat
 
His limited overs battinng hasn't improved at all in the 4 yrs he has been around. Lack of game awareness and variety in his batting plans
 
Bowled well most of the time.

Lost the plot in the last 2 overs which went for 29 runs.

Again just bowling the same length which the batsmen were expecting.
 
Faheem can only bowl during the middle overs.

He’s not a death bowler so you have to blame the captain or team management on how they use him.
 
He should have contributed 30 odd with the bat today. It was a dream ground to score runs. I am disappointed and I hope Faheem is also.
 
He bowls well when he is able to bowl his line and length, when he is thrown off that he can be expensive.
 
gazza619 said:
He should have contributed 30 odd with the bat today. It was a dream ground to score runs. I am disappointed and I hope Faheem is also.
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Yes, a quickfire 20-30 by him or anyone else could have won the game for us.
 
Its his batting that shouldnt be tolerated

He seems tailenderish with his 10-15 runs every game

Whats goes wrong with his batting in odis?
 
Zaz said:
Its his batting that shouldnt be tolerated



He seems tailenderish with his 10-15 runs every game

Whats goes wrong with his batting in odis?
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It’s fault is he has to play under this management

He should be batting at 5. No way his game is suited for #7 let’s alone #8. Bat him at 5 and tell him to bat like he bats in tests
 
shamaan said:
Hes not good enough to play at 5
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Nevermind number 5, is he even good enough to play in ODI’s at number 8?

After this ODI series I am not convinced on Faheem’s role in the ODI team.

He doesnt take wickets when needed and certainly doesnt score runs when needed either.

To me he is blocking a spot for a quality wicket taking bowler in our ODI team.
 
He is not one of those player who work hard to improve their game to higher level. He is one of those , Harris Sohail type, contended to perform enough to stay in the team.
 
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