Fantasy or Reality?: Can Donald Trump help Imran Khan get freedom from his jail incarceration?

[The Bald Eagle]

With Donald Trump's return to white house, some incumbent Pakistan minister have deleted their old tweets criticizing Trump. While at the same time the supporters of PTI look so happy as they see return of Trump to presidency as some sort of life saver for former Prime Minister and one of Trump's good friend, Imran Khan.

So the simple question is that whether such high expectations are ill-placed or Is Trump alone powerful enough to coerce Pakistan system make way out for the former PM?

 

[Stewie]

 

[Extra_Cover]

With Trump you never know what you gonna get. Trump can take outlandish decisions like meeting Kim Jong Un or even Putin in past which is like unheard in American history. Whilst Pakistan is definitely not a top priority at the moment expect anything can happen.

One thing is for sure if Trump takes personal interest in getting Imran out of jail then he would be out in no time. Its a question of how much lobbying Pakistanis in US can do to bring IK's release on Trump's agenda. Priority at the moment will be Ukraine situation and Gaza ceasefire.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poll added Guys

 

[The Bald Eagle]

With Trump you never know what you gonna get. Trump can take outlandish decisions like meeting Kim Jong Un or even Putin in past which is like unheard in American history. Whilst Pakistan is definitely not a top priority at the moment expect anything can happen.

One thing is for sure if Trump takes personal interest in getting Imran out of jail then he would be out in no time. Its a question of how much lobbying Pakistanis in US can do to bring IK's release on Trump's agenda. Priority at the moment will be Ukraine situation and Gaza ceasefire.

Good analysis

 

[Stewie]

With Trump you never know what you gonna get. Trump can take outlandish decisions like meeting Kim Jong Un or even Putin in past which is like unheard in American history. Whilst Pakistan is definitely not a top priority at the moment expect anything can happen.

One thing is for sure if Trump takes personal interest in getting Imran out of jail then he would be out in no time. Its a question of how much lobbying Pakistanis in US can do to bring IK's release on Trump's agenda. Priority at the moment will be Ukraine situation and Gaza ceasefire.

I think this view mainly displays the lack of understanding of how he functions. He is fairly predictable in my view and its easy to predict his motivations and moves.

He wanted to rub the nose of the US intellegentia to prove he is not uninitiated and smart enough to deal with people like Putin and Kim Jong, so he went ahead and met them. There was no deeper strategy, thinking or long term planning involved in any of that stuff. It was very impulsive.

Another of his very very "Trumpian" trait is he looks at everything from a business POV. He wants to run the country like a business and his movies are based on business interests.

He has no... absolutely completely zero dog in the fight when it comes to Pakistan and Imran. No business interest there. IK or any Pakistani for that matter, has nothing to offer to him. Pakistan is flat broke, and the nation is full of beggars.

Unless Imran offers him primetime coastal real estate of Balochistan and Sindh to turn into hotel and casino land, I don't see him taking any such actions that some Pakistani Trump lovers are hoping for.

 

[FearlessRoar]

We will see many changes in Donald Trump's second term as U.S. President, and Imran Khan may receive benefits if he reaches agreements with the Trump administration.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Imran Khan called Taliban kicking out US from Afghanistan as breaking chains of slavery. He called Bin Laden a Martyr in National Assembly. Imran Khan is clearly not a fan of US interests and its involvement in South Asia.

Now Imran seems to suggest to US to help him get back to power.

What benefit does US get by bringing back Imran Khan?

 

[offstump]

I think this view mainly displays the lack of understanding of how he functions. He is fairly predictable in my view and its easy to predict his motivations and moves.

He wanted to rub the nose of the US intellegentia to prove he is not uninitiated and smart enough to deal with people like Putin and Kim Jong, so he went ahead and met them. There was no deeper strategy, thinking or long term planning involved in any of that stuff. It was very impulsive.

Another of his very very "Trumpian" trait is he looks at everything from a business POV. He wants to run the country like a business and his movies are based on business interests.

He has no... absolutely completely zero dog in the fight when it comes to Pakistan and Imran. No business interest there. IK or any Pakistani for that matter, has nothing to offer to him. Pakistan is flat broke, and the nation is full of beggars.

Unless Imran offers him primetime coastal real estate of Balochistan and Sindh to turn into hotel and casino land, I don't see him taking any such actions that some Pakistani Trump lovers are hoping for.

Wait.. this actually isn’t a bad idea.. Trump can turn Gwadar into Atlantic City

 

[Champ_Pal]

We will see many changes in Donald Trump's second term as U.S. President, and Imran Khan may receive benefits if he reaches agreements with the Trump administration.

US would definitely want a military base in Pakistan. Will Imran Khan allow that?

 

[Stewie]

Wait.. this actually isn’t a bad idea.. Trump can turn Gwadar into Atlantic City

Its actually nothing new. Bhutto planned something like that back in the 70s.

 

[Stewie]

US would definitely want a military base in Pakistan. Will Imran Khan allow that?

That's what naive Pakistanis don't understand.

IK was not and will never allow that. That's the "Absolutely not" again. Trump has zero use for him and he will not do anything here.

Unless IK has wisended up as a politician and can offer him something to think over, I don't see this situation changing.

 

[Extra_Cover]

US would definitely want a military base in Pakistan. Will Imran Khan allow that?

In my opinion Trump administration at the moment will not be asking that question. Surely Trump would have asked this question when he initiated the plan for troops to leave Afghanistan. He had couple of meetings with IK before formalising the plan for troops to leave Afghanistan, yet in those meetings never was this question asked or perhaps not reported.

This question was asked on the brink of Afghanistan withdrawal in Biden era. We all know "absolutely not" was the ignition that ultimately cumulated in IK's overthrow from government.

In my opinion if the Middle East war escalates exponentially and enters into Iran then only in that situation a military base might be requested from Pakistan. At the moment if there is ceasefire achieved in Gaza and war is on hold there will be no asking.

I do agree with other posters that Trump usually works for either business or good media / PR coverage. With IK situation there is certainly no business deal on the table as Pakistan has nothing to offer to Trump administration. As far as positive media coverage is concerned then I don't think Trump is after that as he can get 10x positive media coverage by just meeting Modi (neighbour next door). That's why I said with Trump its difficult to predict. The only thing for IK that can work is if Trump takes personal interest in the case which can only develop by some very strong lobbying.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

For that particular reason, the incumbent Pakistan government may earn brownie points from him or more precisely US deep state

That's what naive Pakistanis don't understand.

IK was not and will never allow that. That's the "Absolutely not" again. Trump has zero use for him and he will not do anything here.

Unless IK has wisended up as a politician and can offer him something to think over, I don't see this situation changing.

 

[Stewie]

For that particular reason, the incumbent Pakistan government may earn brownie points from him or more precisely US deep state

the always try to earn brownie points. but with trump, its always what can you do for me? and what can the current government do for him? The way I see it we have nothing to offer except maybe once again give up more bases to them to keep an eye on Iran. let them use the drones and all that, etc.

so this could actually spell a greater disaster for Imran.

 

[Local.Dada]

That's what naive Pakistanis don't understand.

IK was not and will never allow that. That's the "Absolutely not" again. Trump has zero use for him and he will not do anything here.

Unless IK has wisended up as a politician and can offer him something to think over, I don't see this situation changing.

Imran Khan said “absolutely not” to some random journalist who no one knows who he is not to the American president or someone with decision making capability.

It had nothing to do with him being thrown out.

Thats a story that sounds good on paper.

He was thrown out for not toeing the line of people more powerful than him in Pakistan. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Stewie]

Imran Khan said “absolutely not” to some random journalist who no one knows who he is not to the American president or someone with decision making capability.

It had nothing to do with him being thrown out.

Thats a story that sounds good on paper.

He was thrown out for not toeing the line of people more powerful than him in Pakistan. It’s as simple as that.

Oh sure, because the local.genius says so, must be the truth.

The whole cipher issue has been widely discussed and the truth of it has been out for a while now. Those in the know, know. Those who have their heads up their behinds don't.

 

[FearlessRoar]

And here comes the tweet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854154768618332386

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Former President Arif Alvi's message to Donald Trump

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854097718827987054

 

[Varun]

Imran Khan said “absolutely not” to some random journalist who no one knows who he is not to the American president or someone with decision making capability.

As if Imran has that capability on his side either.

 

[Bewal Express]

Off course he can't, IKs illegal incarceration will have to be ended when the desi feels mortal and that will come when PKs come on the streets and do to these guys what SS said he will do to AZ

If Trump goes off on one and IMF cuts off funding the good times of killing innocent PKs and sharing the spoils won't be so easy.

 

[Bewal Express]

And here comes the tweet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854154768618332386

Brilliant by Kaptaan. Every single anti Trump tweet needs to be brought up and retweeted.

 

[Local.Dada]

Oh sure, because the local.genius says so, must be the truth.

The whole cipher issue has been widely discussed and the truth of it has been out for a while now. Those in the know, know. Those who have their heads up their behinds don't.

You don’t need to be a genius to figure that out.

Dont want to make it Ind vs Pak but India went against USA and brought Russian oil at the height of Ukraine War.

max some unrest and protests happened because the buck stops at the Indian govt which is establishment.

If IK upset the American establishment, he was thrown out by his own army or political rivals even if we consider it happened due to America’s behest.

Can you tell me what part of that is ridiculous or way out of order?

 

[Local.Dada]

Off course he can't, IKs illegal incarceration will have to be ended when the desi feels mortal and that will come when PKs come on the streets and do to these guys what SS said he will do to AZ

If Trump goes off on one and IMF cuts off funding the good times of killing innocent PKs and sharing the spoils won't be so easy.

Imran Khan is in Islamabad/ Lahore Jail put by his fellow countrymen.

He is not in Guantanamo bay for America to make any decisions.

He will have to negotiate with his own folks who are in power. Trump, Kamala or even if Md. Rizwan is made president of USA, nothing they can do about it.

 

[Stewie]

You don’t need to be a genius to figure that out.

Dont want to make it Ind vs Pak but India went against USA and brought Russian oil at the height of Ukraine War.

max some unrest and protests happened because the buck stops at the Indian govt which is establishment.

If IK upset the American establishment, he was thrown out by his own army or political rivals even if we consider it happened due to America’s behest.

Can you tell me what part of that is ridiculous or way out of order?

nothing in Pakistan happens without the behest of the Americans. Claiming they did not take kindly to Imran saying Absolutely NOT or getting oil from Russia did not rub them off the wrong way is foolish and ignorant.

He had rubbed all the powerful the wrong way for years, but they could not take action because the blessings of the Americans was not there. Once everyone was equally ticked off, they removed him. But it was not just the establishment of Pakistan who gets the credit for it, for lack of a better word.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Imran Khan is in Islamabad/ Lahore Jail put by his fellow countrymen.

He is not in Guantanamo bay for America to make any decisions.

He will have to negotiate with his own folks who are in power. Trump, Kamala or even if Md. Rizwan is made president of USA, nothing they can do about it.

Nawaz Sharif escaped the death sentence because of gulf rulers intervention so it's not that difficult but there are other issues too which Trump needs to deal with first

 

[Local.Dada]

nothing in Pakistan happens without the behest of the Americans. Claiming they did not take kindly to Imran saying Absolutely NOT or getting oil from Russia did not rub them off the wrong way is foolish and ignorant.

He had rubbed all the powerful the wrong way for years, but they could not take action because the blessings of the Americans.

Americans react on actionable evidence not rhetoric.

Sure, he might have offended Americans but some bravado or rhetoric is not tangible enough.

Yes if he was involved in orchestrating the Taliban takeover you have a point but he cannot pull it off without army and isi help and looks like the same people put him in jail.

Unless you are telling me that Pakistan army will solely make decisions only at behest of China or America and don’t have a mind of their own or their own reasoning, I find it hard to believe.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The sudden sucking up to Trump and USA is quite funny.

 

[Local.Dada]

Nawaz Sharif escaped the death sentence because of gulf rulers intervention so it's not that difficult but there are other issues too which Trump needs to deal with first

Nawaz sharif probably also has business interests in Middle East and has some leverage with those rulers.

Unless IK offers something that benefits Trump personally or to his leadership, why would he bother. Trump is the last guy I would expect to do something out of humanitarian instinct. In fact any American president but even more so with Trump.

In fact army chief in Pak can easily butter him to get some things done. That is more likely of happening. Guys like Trump only respect money and power.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Nawaz sharif probably also has business interests in Middle East and has some leverage with those rulers.

Unless IK offers something that benefits Trump personally or to his leadership, why would he bother. Trump is the last guy I would expect to do something out of humanitarian instinct. In fact any American president but even more so with Trump.

In fact army chief in Pak can easily butter him to get some things done. That is more likely of happening. Guys like Trump only respect money and power.

Yep it's not certain that he would come for IK rescue but his and Imran Khan's recent struggles looking astonishingly similar. Be it assassination, cases or anti establishment endeavors. So he can second Khan case too.

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[Bewal Express]

Imran Khan is in Islamabad/ Lahore Jail put by his fellow countrymen.

He is not in Guantanamo bay for America to make any decisions.

He will have to negotiate with his own folks who are in power. Trump, Kamala or even if Md. Rizwan is made president of USA, nothing they can do about it.

Which bit is difficult to understand- IK and PK will have to be freed by PKs. But IK was overthrown at the behest of IAm who have supported these thugs.

 

[Varun]

Which bit is difficult to understand- IK and PK will have to be freed by PKs. But IK was overthrown at the behest of IAm who have supported these thugs.

At this point I think even Imran Khan has given up on Pakistanis rising to the occasion - both the domestic and overseas kinds.

 

[Bewal Express]

At this point I think even Imran Khan has given up on Pakistanis rising to the occasion - both the domestic and overseas kinds.

They did rise and voted him a 2/3rd majority. If you are talking about street power, people are waiting for someone to lead them. Hence the reason the Junta and desi Goon have locked him up.

 

[Varun]

They did rise and voted him a 2/3rd majority. If you are talking about street power, people are waiting for someone to lead them. Hence the reason the Junta and desi Goon have locked him up.

They'll find that they will be waiting endlessly while time and tide wait for no one, including Imran.

 

[Bewal Express]

They'll find that they will be waiting endlessly while time and tide wait for no one, including Imran.

True. And that's why why have the self declared Desi Gog in power

 

[Stewie]

Americans react on actionable evidence not rhetoric.

Sure, he might have offended Americans but some bravado or rhetoric is not tangible enough.

Yes if he was involved in orchestrating the Taliban takeover you have a point but he cannot pull it off without army and isi help and looks like the same people put him in jail.

Unless you are telling me that Pakistan army will solely make decisions only at behest of China or America and don’t have a mind of their own or their own reasoning, I find it hard to believe.

Its always a combination of mutually beneficial for both in order for them to take such a step. You are over complicating it.

It is a bad look for US if an ally like Pakistan is denying them access to their land to keep an eye on Afghanistan and Iran, buy oil from Russia, etc.

They have vested interest in Pakistan and pay the military to safeguard those interests. I know you Indians like to believe its aid but its basically fee for services the military renders them.

If you have someone sitting there refusing to deal with them, its a problem for them.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Rana Sanaullah terms Trump a liar, compares him with PTI founder​

Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Political Affairs Rana Sanaullah compared the United States (US) President-elect Donald Trump and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) founder Imran Khan, citing what he termed ‘similarities’ in their style of politics.

Speaking during ARY News programme ‘Khabar Muhammad Malick Ke Saath’, Rana Sanaullah said that both Imran Khan and Donald Trump are ‘known for spreading falsehoods, mocking others and attacking institutions’.

“There are many similarities between them (Imran Khan and Donald Trump) like lying, making fun of others, and resorting to illegal activities for the acceptance of their demands. He (Donald Trump) gathered his supporters and attacked the White House,” the special assistant to the prime minister on political affairs said.

To a question regarding Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Chief Minister Punjab Maryam Nawaz’s felicitation statements for to the US president-elect, Rana Sanaullah said that was ‘just a mere diplomatic gesture and formality’.

When asked as if the federal government would release Imran Khan on the US demand, Rana Sanaullah, ‘I do not believe the US government will do so’.

“In my personal opinion, Imran Khan should be handed over to the US, if Donald Trump wishes so that these two brother can work together. If the US wants, it can take Imran Khan in exchange for Aafia Siddiqui’s release and the nation would probably agree on it,” Rana Sanaullah said

Rana Sanaullah terms Trump a liar, compares him with PTI founder

ISLAMABAD: Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Political Affairs Rana Sanaullah compared the United States (US) President-elect Donald Trump and

arynews.tv

 

[Bewal Express]

Rana Sanaullah terms Trump a liar, compares him with PTI founder​

Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Political Affairs Rana Sanaullah compared the United States (US) President-elect Donald Trump and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) founder Imran Khan, citing what he termed ‘similarities’ in their style of politics.

Speaking during ARY News programme ‘Khabar Muhammad Malick Ke Saath’, Rana Sanaullah said that both Imran Khan and Donald Trump are ‘known for spreading falsehoods, mocking others and attacking institutions’.

“There are many similarities between them (Imran Khan and Donald Trump) like lying, making fun of others, and resorting to illegal activities for the acceptance of their demands. He (Donald Trump) gathered his supporters and attacked the White House,” the special assistant to the prime minister on political affairs said.

To a question regarding Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Chief Minister Punjab Maryam Nawaz’s felicitation statements for to the US president-elect, Rana Sanaullah said that was ‘just a mere diplomatic gesture and formality’.

When asked as if the federal government would release Imran Khan on the US demand, Rana Sanaullah, ‘I do not believe the US government will do so’.

“In my personal opinion, Imran Khan should be handed over to the US, if Donald Trump wishes so that these two brother can work together. If the US wants, it can take Imran Khan in exchange for Aafia Siddiqui’s release and the nation would probably agree on it,” Rana Sanaullah said

Rana Sanaullah terms Trump a liar, compares him with PTI founder

ISLAMABAD: Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Political Affairs Rana Sanaullah compared the United States (US) President-elect Donald Trump and

arynews.tv

I think the main similarity is that they won their respective elections against their establishments. Main difference is that one is President and the other is a hostage in a cell.

 

[Bewal Express]

The sudden sucking up to Trump and USA is quite funny.

By Modi?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

President-elect Trump unlikely to seek Imran Khan's release: defence minister

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Wednesday said that the government believes Donald Trump, who won the US presidential election, will not call for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) founder Imran Khan's release from prison after he takes the office.

Asif's comments came hours after Republican Trump won the race to the White House after beating Democrat Kamala Harris, four years after he was voted out.

"We don't think Trump will call for PTI founder's release. Let's wait for 15 to 20 days and see what stand he takes," said the defence minister while speaking during Geo News special transmission on US election.

President-elect Trump unlikely to seek Imran Khan's release: defence minister

Asif says to wait what stand Trump takes on Khan's release. Raoof Hasan says PTI never pinned hopes on Trump's win. Imran Khan, PTI leaders congratulate Trump on his victory. Defence Minister...

www.geo.tv

 

[Champ_Pal]

By Modi?

Modi and Trump were never enemies. They are best of friends. Checkout Howdy Modi event in Houston Texas from 2019.

 

[Bewal Express]

Modi and Trump were never enemies. They are best of friends. Checkout Howdy Modi event in Houston Texas from 2019.

Trump is no one's friend. He looked upto IK because he was good looking and an amazing athlete, on the other Modi had no such presence and looked like a guy retired teacher.

 

[Varun]

Trump is no one's friend. He looked upto IK because he was good looking and an amazing athlete, on the other Modi had no such presence and looked like a guy retired teacher.

Desperate post, no offense. You're sounding like the Pakistani equivalent of Bhakts with this one.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

With Donald Trump's return to white house, some incumbent Pakistan minister have deleted their old tweets criticizing Trump. While at the same time the supporters of PTI look so happy as they see return of Trump to presidency as some sort of life saver for former Prime Minister and one of Trump's good friend, Imran Khan.

So the simple question is that whether such high expectations are ill-placed or Is Trump alone powerful enough to coerce Pakistan system make way out for the former PM?

The delusions of PTI supporters are legendary

 

[Hitman]

Knowing how Pakistan works, he definitely can.

 

[Red-Indian]

The more I think about it, Trump's probably good for the Pakistani economy but bad for Pakistani democracy and Imran Khan.

With high tariffs on imports, Chinese manufacturers will have to move some of the low margin production out and Pakistan as a very friendly country with existing BRI infrastructure could see a decent chunk of investment.

Pakistan could also benefit from some aid by allowing drone and spy bases if not actual military bases for USA to use against Iran and maybe even Afghanistan.

On the other hand, Trump much prefers dealing with authoritarian governments so he's unlikely to be interested in any change of administration in Pakistan which could mean bad news for any possibility of a return to Democracy any time soon.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The more I think about it, Trump's probably good for the Pakistani economy but bad for Pakistani democracy and Imran Khan.

With high tariffs on imports, Chinese manufacturers will have to move some of the low margin production out and Pakistan as a very friendly country with existing BRI infrastructure could see a decent chunk of investment.

Pakistan could also benefit from some aid by allowing drone and spy bases if not actual military bases for USA to use against Iran and maybe even Afghanistan.

On the other hand, Trump much prefers dealing with authoritarian governments so he's unlikely to be interested in any change of administration in Pakistan which could mean bad news for any possibility of a return to Democracy any time soon.

1. China is not moving any of its manufacturing to Pakistan
2. Pakistan will never allow its land to be used to attack on Iran. Pakistan is already paying the price for being a transit for attack on Taliban in Afghanistan. and neither does USA needs Pakistan to launch attacks when they have other well established bases in the middle east.
3. Pakistan is already under its Military control, so the PM hardly matters.

The only possible interest for Trump might be the recent news about oil reserves off the coast of Pakistan. If the oil exists, Americans might want to prevent Chinese control of the vital resource.

 

[Red-Indian]

1. China is not moving any of its manufacturing to Pakistan
2. Pakistan will never allow its land to be used to attack on Iran. Pakistan is already paying the price for being a transit for attack on Taliban in Afghanistan. and neither does USA needs Pakistan to launch attacks when they have other well established bases in the middle east.
3. Pakistan is already under its Military control, so the PM hardly matters.

The only possible interest for Trump might be the recent news about oil reserves off the coast of Pakistan. If the oil exists, Americans might want to prevent Chinese control of the vital resource.

We'll have to see about manufacturing. With 30-40%+ tariffs, a lot of the low margin manufacturing - textiles, toys, cheap geegaws etc. in China will become unprofitable. It'll have to go somewhere. Pakistan has a chance because while it's infrastructure is poor, it's costs are low and it is in the China camp. Whether it actually managed to get any investment will depend on how it acts quickly.

The rest like bases is up to Pakistan. Can't see the States or China caring about oil unless the reserves are truly massive.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Trump has no stakes with Imran. Why would he try to free him from Jail.

This government will free him though in case Trump does ask for his release.

 

[gazza619]

Even if Modi had become President of USA, that would be better for the World & Pakistan.

Biden & Kamala administration has been nothing but a disgrace.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Quite shameful that 80 years after independence, Pakistanis seek US interference to get things done in their country. As I keep saying, Pakistani can hardly even be considered a nation. It’s a geopolitical entity that is known for offering services to cash rich nations in exchange for money.

 

[Bewal Express]

Quite shameful that 80 years after independence, Pakistanis seek US interference to get things done in their country. As I keep saying, Pakistani can hardly even be considered a nation. It’s a geopolitical entity that is known for offering services to cash rich nations in exchange for money.

No understanding or context.

Who is seeking it? Their interference cost us a stable govt with human rights, a SC that could be described as a SC and some democracy. After their interference, we have a guy thay thinks he is a desi god and thinks he rules all before him.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is not about MODI so stay on topic

 

[Bewal Express]

You've lived so long in the West that subconsciously you want validation from the white man for Imran Khan.

Not really. The West has been a bane on PK and it's not us( not even the ones that live here that have sacrificed our religion or culture) but you guys that find everything about your culture so easy to ditch.

 

[gani999]

Why would Trump, or any US president, bother about getting Khan released from prison when they know that all it will take is a phone call to whoever is in power in Islamabad to get Pakistan to do their bidding? Do you really think that Imran will do something for the US that Shehbaz Sharif won't ?

 

[Varun]

Not really. The West has been a bane on PK and it's not us( not even the ones that live here that have sacrificed our religion or culture) but you guys that find everything about your culture so easy to ditch.

The only one who has ditched their leader Imran Khan in favour of the Borises and Rishis of the world is you. And now you're getting warm in the cockles stating that Trump likes the way Imran Khan looks?

I'm an Indian who lives in India, thank you very much.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Complete fantasy. Not sure why many PTI uncles think this is the case.

 

[Red-Indian]

Why would Trump, or any US president, bother about getting Khan released from prison when they know that all it will take is a phone call to whoever is in power in Islamabad to get Pakistan to do their bidding? Do you really think that Imran will do something for the US that Shehbaz Sharif won't ?

Of course Pakistanis and Imran-Bhakts are just fantasising but in general, there's a lot of wishful thinking going on. There's a lot of swooning on Indian media about Trump's 'special relationship' with Modi and how it will benefit India. You only have to look at the loyal men and women he's ditched over the years including his own vice-president, Defence secretaries, Chiefs of Staff and of course wives and lovers to understand how little he values personal relationships.

Indian manufacturing is in a vulnerable growth phase right now and severe sanctions from our biggest market could really hit job creation and growth. We have to hope India's status as a counter-weight against China could spare us from the worst of the sanctions. You never know with an unpredictable guy like Trump though.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan needs to become a nation or start acting like one at some point.

No more lap dances for China, US, Saudis

 

[Extra_Cover]

As I mentioned previously there is currently no political gain for Trump to vouch for Khan. There is no benefit to US with Khan out, on flip side it might be bad for US to have a strong critic of Israel and someone who talks about Muslim unity and closely aligned with Ertogan out of jail. If the Middle East war escalates then having Khan out would be harmful for Western interests rather than beneficial.

The other side to this is entirely personal. Ivana Trump (mother of Ivanka Trump) was a fan of IK during his cricket days and largely the reason Trump knew of Khan before he met him in White House. Also from what we know is that Trump had very cordial relations with Khan and access to White House for Pakistan was pretty easy during Khan's time. Jared Kushner have had meetings with Khan supporters prior to elections as well. There is also a clip post 9-May circulating where Trump is inquiring about Khan's health when he was first arrested on 9-May.

Given Trump's unconventional attitude to Presidency we can't expect anything concrete or something to follow protocols as stated. If there is strong enough lobbying and Khan can be bought onto Trump's agenda then rest assured he will contact Pakistan. And with Pakistan it takes just one phone call for overnight changes. Literally speaking for Khan to be out there are couple of things that needs to happen imminently. One the war in Gaza and Lebanon needs to stop immediately and there should be no threat of further escalation. Second there needs to be strong lobbying from US based Pakistanis or think tanks in support of Khan. With all these happening we can still be wishful.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Of course Pakistanis and Imran-Bhakts are just fantasising but in general, there's a lot of wishful thinking going on. There's a lot of swooning on Indian media about Trump's 'special relationship' with Modi and how it will benefit India. You only have to look at the loyal men and women he's ditched over the years including his own vice-president, Defence secretaries, Chiefs of Staff and of course wives and lovers to understand how little he values personal relationships.

Indian manufacturing is in a vulnerable growth phase right now and severe sanctions from our biggest market could really hit job creation and growth. We have to hope India's status as a counter-weight against China could spare us from the worst of the sanctions. You never know with an unpredictable guy like Trump though.

Indians will get their own reality check when Trump lays into H1-B visas and traditional IT companies see their business models upended. But they always find a way around the legal restrictions.

but some of the concerns are being misplaced, India was not really gaining from the shift away from China in terms of Manufacturing. The ASEAN countries like Vietnam and Philippines were gaining the most and they will suffer the set back. India's role is different.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Is Pakistan even being discussed anywhere in the news? Ever since US withdrawal from Afghanistan, Pakistan is hardly a topic in western media. Pakistan has little economic impact on the west.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Khawaja Asif addresses handing over of Imran Khan to US with past examples​

Defense Minister Khawaja Asif expressed strong views on social media regarding Pakistan's historical relationship with the U.S. the decisions of former leaders and the impression that Pakistan would not resist upon receiving a call from Washington D.C. about releasing Imran Khan and hanging over PTI founder Imran to the American authorities with new leadership assuming power in the U.S.

Asif commented on perceived external influence in Pakistan's affairs, stating that Pakistan “cannot dare to refuse the call” from the U.S., referencing past situations where compliance or defiance had significant implications.

Defence minister Asif highlighted former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's decision to reject an offer of $5 billion while resisting U.S. demands, contrasting this with former president Pervez Musharraf's compliance.

He criticized Musharraf for readily agreeing to U.S. requests post-9/11, resulting in Pakistan’s prolonged entanglement in the war on terror and allowing the undermanned wish list from the Washington D.C.

While Afghanistan has seen an end to active conflict, Asif noted, Pakistan still suffers the consequences in the form of ongoing terrorism.

Asif urged caution, calling on leaders to carefully consider the long-term impact of decisions on national sovereignty and security.

Khawaja Asif addresses handing over of Imran Khan to US with past examples

Defence Minister clarifies who stood firm and who yielded to US pressure

www.samaa.tv

 

[Devadwal]

Why the hell they care about Pakistan internal politics when they already brought this new government and same with Bangladesh .both are installed by USA.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Maybe if some wealthy millionaire pakistanis lobby for Imran Khan it's possible.
Think about how popular Trump would become in Pakistan, surely he would love for 250 million extra lovers.
Imagine Asim Munir vs Donald Trump lol.

(In reality nothing is gonna happen it's good to dream though)

 

[Bewal Express]

The only one who has ditched their leader Imran Khan in favour of the Borises and Rishis of the world is you. And now you're getting warm in the cockles stating that Trump likes the way Imran Khan looks?

I'm an Indian who lives in India, thank you very much.

It's not us that has ditched their language and culture for the White man. As far as Trump is concerned- his admiration for winners is well known. He sees IK as a winner like himself.

 

[Varun]

It's not us that has ditched their language and culture for the White man. As far as Trump is concerned- his admiration for winners is well known. He sees IK as a winner like himself.

I'm a Indian who lives in India. You're compensating for something else by supporting Imran Khan.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys no more off topic stuff please

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Trump's return: uncertain prospects for Pakistan​

When Donald Trump won the elections for the first time in November 2016, he didn't take long to pick up the secure line and speak to the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

The Trump-Nawaz conversation transcript released by the PM Office was unprecedented and contrary to the Republican leader's stance on Pakistan during his election campaign. Much to the surprise of many, Trump described Pakistan as a "great country".

This was the same Trump, who during his election rallies, questioned the role of Pakistan in the fight against terrorism and also spoke about the country's nuclear weapons program.

But that was Trump being Trump, whose unconventional leadership style brings with him unpredictable policies.

One of the reasons Trump even didn't wait for the formal oath to speak to Nawaz was that tens of thousands of US troops stationed in Afghanistan were stuck in an unwinnable war. Trump, who spoke against the foreign wars and termed the Afghanistan invasion a blunder, wanted to withdraw all of his military men sooner than later. But that was not possible without Pakistan's help.

Trump, however, lived up to his election promise by cutting off all military and civil aid to Pakistan, though such assistance had already dwindled from Washington.

Nevertheless, he sought Pakistan's help in securing a deal in Afghanistan in order to save some grace for the US. That was when he directly approached the then prime minister Imran Khan. Pakistan was quick to pounce on that opportunity as Afghanistan has often been the driving force behind ties with the US.

Living up to his unconventional style of governance, Trump opened a direct channel of communication with Imran Khan. Of course, those contacts were helped by Trump's close aide Senator Lindsey Graham, who was a great admirer of Imran.

The direct communication between Pakistan and the White House led to Trump's invitation to Imran Khan to visit Washington. People within the American establishment were not in favour of granting that honor to Pakistan even before the Afghan deal was yet to be sealed.

Trump, however, went ahead with his invitation and hosted Imran, calling him a "great friend." They both subsequently met on several other occasions. But those exchanges failed to bring any substantive change in the Pakistan-US relationship.

When Joe Biden took over the White House in 2020, he didn't even bother to make a courtesy call with the Pakistani prime minister, reinforcing the perception that Washington no longer considered Islamabad top foreign policy priority. The subsequent withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan in August 2021 further diminished Pakistan's importance in the eyes of Washington.

Source: The Express Tribune

 

[FearlessRoar]

PML-N afraid of Donald Trump's presidency, says Barrister Saif​

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Information Adviser Barrister Saif said on Thursday that the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government was afraid of United States of America’s President-elect Donald Trump.

In a statement, Saif said that Defence Minister Khawaja Asif and Punjab Chief Minister were busy in deleting their tweets made in the past about Trump, adding that everything was now a part of the record.

“The PML-N had run a campaign against Donald Trump in the past but now they have taken a U-turn and started to heap praise on him. Being subservient to the powerful is a trademark of the PML-N,” he added.

He also recalled former premier Nawaz Sharif’s requests to then US president Bill Clinton to stop India from attacking following Kargil war which broke out between the nuclear-armed neighbours in 1999.

PML-N afraid of Donald Trump's presidency, says Barrister Saif

PML-N afraid of Donald Trump's presidency, says Barrister Saif

dunyanews.tv

 

[Bewal Express]

I'm a Indian who lives in India. You're compensating for something else by supporting Imran Khan.

IK was liked by Trump because Trump sees a winner. IK or his supporters doesn't need validation from anyone.

 

[Local.Dada]

IK was liked by Trump because Trump sees a winner. IK or his supporters doesn't need validation from anyone.

Trump thought John McCain a war hero who endured torture and was a prisoner of war as a loser for getting caught. McCain was Republican and white old guy.

In that context I would wonder what he feels about IK.

Trump respects money and power. Sorry to break it to you but Imran doesn’t have that stature in world politics outside of some Pakistani diaspora overseas. Dare I say even someone like Sheikh Hasina is looked at as a taller leader for being in power for as long as she did. Not getting into their policies or overall governance but that’s the way it is.

 

[Bewal Express]

Trump thought John McCain a war hero who endured torture and was a prisoner of war as a loser for getting caught. McCain was Republican and white old guy.

In that context I would wonder what he feels about IK.

Trump respects money and power. Sorry to break it to you but Imran doesn’t have that stature in world politics outside of some Pakistani diaspora overseas. Dare I say even someone like Sheikh Hasina is looked at as a taller leader for being in power for as long as she did. Not getting into their policies or overall governance but that’s the way it is.

We can only go on his body language. Its not our problem that he thought the war mongerer McCain was a loser. The American public had no problem with it, and that is all good.
I am not a Trump supporter or fan and you maybe right but at that moment, he looked in awe of Kaptaan but things change. I am not expecting anything from him or the Americans.

 

[Local.Dada]

We can only go on his body language. Its not our problem that he thought the war mongerer McCain was a loser. The American public had no problem with it, and that is all good.
I am not a Trump supporter or fan and you maybe right but at that moment, he looked in awe of Kaptaan but things change. I am not expecting anything from him or the Americans.

He looked in awe because you probably were in awe. Also absolutely IK looked like a supermodel in his youth but a 70 yr old IK with carry bags under his eyes and wrinkles just looks like any other old white guy so not sure if Trump was mesmerized by his looks.

Trump interacts with people like Phelps, Michael Jordan etc etc so not sure if he was in awe of IK’s sporting achievements in a sport he has no clue about.

I appreciate your passion for IK and truly understand you beleive he is good for Pak but the shallow arguments don’t help your cause.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Is Pakistan even being discussed anywhere in the news? Ever since US withdrawal from Afghanistan, Pakistan is hardly a topic in western media. Pakistan has little economic impact on the west.

Yes it's basically irrelevant to western audience at the moment.

The hot topics here form a foreign policy perspective are Ukraine, Israel and China

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a strange topic. Why would Trump care about Pakistan leadership? If there was any pressing issues the Americans would probably just reach out to the leading army brass behind closed doors.

 

[Bewal Express]

He looked in awe because you probably were in awe. Also absolutely IK looked like a supermodel in his youth but a 70 yr old IK with carry bags under his eyes and wrinkles just looks like any other old white guy so not sure if Trump was mesmerized by his looks.

Trump interacts with people like Phelps, Michael Jordan etc etc so not sure if he was in awe of IK’s sporting achievements in a sport he has no clue about.

I appreciate your passion for IK and truly understand you beleive he is good for Pak but the shallow arguments don’t help your cause.

I know as an Ind you guys feel a little because your guy looks like a retired teacher who wasn't very good but Trump for all his faults doesn't hide his feelings. It may nothing but Kaptaan owned the stage and Trump was in awe

 

[Local.Dada]

I know as an Ind you guys feel a little because your guy looks like a retired teacher who wasn't very good but Trump for all his faults doesn't hide his feelings. It may nothing but Kaptaan owned the stage and Trump was in awe

Modi is not a film actor or model to be judged on looks. If it makes you feel better sure IK was 100 times better looking than Modi in his youth: go crazy with that confession. However as I said these arguments may not help your cause in the larger scheme of things. Keep continuing with this take lol, I have no stakes here.

 

[Bewal Express]

Modi is not a film actor or model to be judged on looks. If it makes you feel better sure IK was 100 times better looking than Modi in his youth: go crazy with that confession. However as I said these arguments may not help your cause in the larger scheme of things. Keep continuing with this take lol, I have no stakes here.

You guys came here to tell us that Trump won't do anything for IK and we said that is true and then you ignored that and kept telling us again and again that he cant do anything, and again we said it was true. So I just thought I would trigger you guys and it worked.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I know as an Ind you guys feel a little because your guy looks like a retired teacher who wasn't very good but Trump for all his faults doesn't hide his feelings. It may nothing but Kaptaan owned the stage and Trump was in awe

World politics and Economics do not run on the handsomeness of the PM's and Presidents.

If it was a beauty competition, Pakistan under Imran would have been a superpower. But since it is not, Immi and his fans are hoping that not so handsome Trump does something to help Imran like a damsel in distress.