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btw, people who followed Waqar say his pace was around 145 & his best effort of the day would prolly be 150 & this was when he was at his peak[ first 30 tests or so] .
I have seen enough of waqar from 89 series and can surely say in his peak he was not more than 142 average,Sami was way quicker than Waqar... Waqar was a legend but not out n out quick except small spells that too PRE-1996
Rubbish, check 92/93 odi series where the battle of pace was between Wakar and Donald, Wakar demolished Saffers with almost everything above 150 kph
Anyone exaggerating thomo is clearly on a high, thomo was a hype, Akhtar was way faster on average than him. Heck Akhtar was still bowling 95mph at the age of 40 (unofficial)
Many of the quickest bowlers were never measured.
My guess is:
1. Jeff Thomson (74-76)
2. Harold Larwood
3. Charlie Griffith and Roy Gilchrist
4. Malcolm Marshall (83-85)
5. Michael Holding (75-81)
6. Shoaib Akhtar
7. Shaun Tait
8. Waqar Younis (89-92)
9. Neil Adcock
10. Brett Lee
The two I'd most physically fear would be Charlie Griffith and Roy Gilchrist: those two West Indians loved to maim batsmen.
Both Garry Sobers and Hanif Mohammed say that Gilchrist was the fastest bowler ever. Any guy who brands his wife with a red-hot iron is no pussycat.
How can Thomson be the fastest Bowler, he is officially the 4th Fastest bowler.
Anyone that says that Thomson was quicker than Tait,Lee and Akhtar is expressing his opinion not a fact.
Thomson is not quicker than Lee IMO an opinion which is also a fact.
And also Thomson played most of his cricket on the lightening quick pitches of Australia making him look more quicker than he really was.
There wasn't the technology to measure Thommo in the seventies, but watch the film: he was far quicker than those three. In fact, in his era I'd argue that Roberts, Holding and even Lillee at times were quicker than Shoaib, Tait and Lee.
Rubbish, check 92/93 odi series where the battle of pace was between Wakar and Donald, Wakar demolished Saffers with almost everything above 150 kph
There wasn't the technology to measure Thommo in the seventies, but watch the film: he was far quicker than those three. In fact, in his era I'd argue that Roberts, Holding and even Lillee at times were quicker than Shoaib, Tait and Lee.
Competing in a 1978 fast bowling contest that included many of the leading bowlers in the world, Thomson came first with a delivery clocked at 147.9 km/h, ahead of Michael Holding (141.3 km/h) and Imran Khan (139.7 km/h).
You are full of nonsense
On wiki
How is that close to 180kph, he may have touched 100mph, or maybe fastest ever but I can't seriously believe that he was close to 180kph
The 1979 competition was not timed out of the hand hence the lower than 150 kph speeds.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nol94jVqCXk
Also keep in mind, and Imran Khan has been quoted on this (as well as having watched the footage), Jeff Thompson was bowling full tosses during the competition whilst almost every other bowler was bowling bouncers.
Lara said zahid was fastest he faced!
btw what about Tanveer ahmed?
You are full of nonsense
On wiki
How is that close to 180kph, he may have touched 100mph, or maybe fastest ever but I can't seriously believe that he was close to 180kph
Anything before Shoaib is opinion and conjecture. The fastest recorded deliveries were bowled by Akhtar, then Lee, then Tait.
Most believe that waqar was faster than shoab, i must say I have never seen wickets cartwheeling as far as in case of waqar.
Most believe that waqar was faster than shoab, i must say I have never seen wickets cartwheeling as far as in case of waqar.
Those were the years in which they sustained the highest consistent pace, not speeds!
I'd guesstimate their average speeds during those years as follows, based on what I saw myself (Thomson, Marshall, Holding, Shoaib, Tait, Waqar and Lee) and accounts from players and journalists at the time (Larwood, Griffith, Gilchrist and Adcock).
1. Jeff Thomson (1974-76) - 160-175K
, what on your home made speed gun in your dreams ? Shoib was the fastest ever flat out no one before him and after him yet.. lol @ the ppl also saying Waqar was faster than Shoib....
I watched both Waqar and Shoaib in person many times in their careers. Of course when they played side by side Shoaib was faster than the aged Waqar.
But the 1989-1992 Waqar was almost as quick as the 1998-2004 Shoaib Akhtar, but he was a much more skilled bowler with it, which is why Waqar got 373 Test wickets at 23.56 whereas Shoaib Akhtar took 178 Test wickets at 25.69.
Waqar was ultimately more than twice as good as Shoaib - 373 wickets compared to 178.
What kind of factual evidence do you have that Thomson,Lillee,Holding and Waqar were quicker than Shoaib.
It is your opinion and opinions without facts to back them up hold no weightage at all.
I can even say Kapil Dev was as quick as 150ks, nor can you prove this fact nor can you say this is correct it is just a speculation.
As long as facts are concerned Shoaib is the Fastets bowler to have ever played the game if you have any real fact that can prove me otherwise than feel free to post it.
I dont ever recall saying Shoib was better than Waqar as a bowler, but speed wise Err noo Waqar at his peak was slower than Shoib let alone faster than him... Rollin our a few Zim & English batsmen of the early 90's seems to have gotten a few Pakistanis carried away.. Shoib has torn apart Steve Waugh's aussie side with his speed which had the real deal bats...
The technology upon which your claim is predicated has only existed since around 2000.
And so you dismiss Harold Larwood, the West Indian quicks and Jeff Thomson simply because the technology wasn't around at the time?
Harold Larwood's bowling had such an impact that it effectively separated Australia from England as nations.
You do realize the WI where the best team in the world till 95? Check Waqar's record against them.
West Indies in Pakistan Test Series, 1990/91
3 6 89.0 8 296 16 5/46 9/120 18.50 3.32 33.3 2 0
Pakistan in West Indies Test Series, 1992/93
3 5 98.5 13 384 19 5/104 9/127 20.21 3.88 31.2 1 0 16 Apr 1993 West Indies
It's hard to argue against Shoaib being the fastest ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Waqar of 91 was just as fast if not faster.
Also another guy that doesn't get mentioned is Devon Malcolm he was seriously quick at times.
How fast were Lohmann or Lindwall? Can you please measure and tell us....Those were the years in which they sustained the highest consistent pace, not speeds!
I'd guesstimate their average speeds during those years as follows, based on what I saw myself (Thomson, Marshall, Holding, Shoaib, Tait, Waqar and Lee) and accounts from players and journalists at the time (Larwood, Griffith, Gilchrist and Adcock).
1. Jeff Thomson (1974-76) - 160-175K
2. Harold Larwood (1932-33) - 165K
3. Charlie Griffith and Roy Gilchrist - 160K
4. Malcolm Marshall (1983-85) - 160K
5. Michael Holding (1975-81) - 155-160K
6. Shoaib Akhtar (1998-2003) - 150-155K
7. Shaun Tait (but only in short spells) - 150-155K
8. Waqar Younis (89-92) - (150K)
9. Neil Adcock (150K)
10. Brett Lee (150K)
More Interesting facts
Debunking Thompson's claim
''my 100 mph delivery was measured at the batsman's end.Today's bowlers are measured as the ball leaves their hand.''
Thompson has brought this up many times..What he's trying to say is that because his ball speed was measured at the batsman's end,therefore it had lost speed over the course of the pitch..Going by his statements,if you calculate the hypothetical speed lost,Thompson wouldve been measured at over 180 km/hr..Thats ridiculous,Right?..Thompson doesnt think so.
This ofcourse has been debunked.We now know that his recorded speed of 160.5 km/hr during Perth speed tests in December.1975 was actually ''Right out of his hand'' and not when it reached the batsman's end.Eddie Smith of Wisden/ESPN CricInfo fame is the most devoted Bowling speed readings collector on the planet.He's also on Twitter by the name of ''Bowling speeds''.He stated that he had talked with the people in Perth that had conducted the tests and they confirmed the speed was actual ''Release speed'' out of his hand and not the horizontal velocity at the batsman''s end.
Unofficial recordings
There are claims about both Zahid and Tait being measured around the 102 Miles/Hour mark in domestic/club games..The speed guns were unofficial and ICC has declined to accept those results.
Actions Reported
Akhtar and Lee..Both eventually cleared.....Tait also came under some opposition scrutiny but never officially reported.
Subjective Opinions
Opinions of former cricketers who've faced these pace men are very dispersed when it comes to ''the fastest ive faced/seen''.
the names that come up the most are Akhtar and Thompson...Lee,Waqar,Zahid,Holding,Roberts,Garner also get mentions
It's misleading to compare across generations.
The only way to compare across generations is to ask the batsmen and wicketkeepers whose careers straddled the generations.
And they all give the same answer: Thommo.
There is not one player in this world whose career straddled Thommo's and Shaoib's.