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(Finally) End of Mohammad Amir's career?

Is Mohammad Amir's Intl career over?

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    Votes: 16 48.5%

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Is this the end of Mohammad Amir's International career? Or do you think he will stick around? OR will he be given the boot by the PCB?

What a strange career. The highs, the lows, the ban, the return, the premature retirement.. and now an unsuccessful comeback( although I thought he bowled well APART from that crucial SO vs USA).

He's only 32, which is staggering to believe. It feels like he's been around forever and he's had several lives worth of drama in a very short space of time.

What next for Amir?
 
He can probably hang on till the CT next year in Pakistan but I'm not sure if he has the legs for ODIs anymore (but neither do the rest). He bowled well in both games excluding the superover Vs USA.
 
He's an ok bowler. On the same level as our other bowlers.

I think he could play on if he has the desire but our expectations should be tempered a bit.

Indeed I think most fans expectations have been downgraded anyway after the disastrous super over that many are calling the worst handling of a pressure situations in sport. He went from being a champion mindset player before the tournament to being lauded for being out best bowler against Canada.

If he and the fans are happy with him operating at this sort of level then he could play ODIs if has the desire. He isn't a bad bowler by any means.
 
Amir is gonna retire soon and his only focus will be to play leagues. He was brought back for world cup only I guess. Let's see. Will be sure in next few days.
 
He was bowling 90mph in the WC. He is only 32 and hasn't bowled in tests/fc that much over last 14 years.


Is Tiger Mein Abhi Jaan Baaki Hai! :tigers
 
Aamir didnt have it in him to bowl more than 4 overs anyway. Not since 2020.

That's partly because of his fake age and partly because his body was breaking
down.

He is around 35 now and the only reason he even made it to this World T20 is because Pakistan don't have significantly better options and Aamir has experience.

Even in this World T20, he was better than other PAK seamers apart from that disastrous Super Over.

By 2026 , he will be 37. So I don't seem him making it.
 
Obviously the super over was a disaster but that aside I think he has bowled well. Let’s see how he does in a few more matches. In reality Pakistan need a squad of about 7-8 all weather fast bowlers (not one or two that bowl as fast as possible in a brain dead manner). Amir swings it both ways has decent speed and a fair bit of bowling intelligence. With good bowling partners he can be effective until the next lot (Wasim, A afridi and Mohammed Ali) are genuinely ready. They are all right armers and Naseem is quite short. I don’t see what can be gained by discarding Amir just now. Maybe he will be made captain of the white ball team. You just never know.
 
Amir has been trying to do the impossible since 2010.

He has been away from international cricket for years at a time and he expects each time to come back and start performing against international quality players in crunch situations.

I feel like if he had listened to Hafeez and come back 6 months earlier, he wouldve been the best bowler for pakistan currently.

Depends on if he wants to give it his all. 148 kph speeds still at his age / as fast as haris rauf is incredible.
 
That is a very big “apart”.

It is like a serial killer saying that I have been a good person all my life apart from the fact that I have murdered 20 people.

What do you say about shaheen the 3rd best bowler after imran and wasim in pakistan.

Who averaged 40 on bowling friendly pitches

When amir haris and naseem averaged below 15
 
That is a very big “apart”.

It is like a serial killer saying that I have been a good person all my life apart from the fact that I have murdered 20 people.
What does serial killers have anything to do with this? 😂😂.

What a funny analogy.
 
What's he going to stick around for?

The next T20 WC is in 2026 he doesn't play any other format than T20.

Doesn't make sense of him staying on nor do I think he will either. I'm sure in the coming weeks we will hear him calling it quits himself before they do some spring cleaning.
 
How many times will his career end, only for him to come back again .... and then to retire again?
 
But why he was brought back after so many issues with him, though he bowled well in this tournament.
How many times a Pakistani player should retire, till we can confirm that his career is over?
 
Reports are say that everyone is being dismissed, including Wahab and Azhar Mahmood. Babar, Naseem, Amir, and Fakhar will be retained, and the new team will be built around them.
 
Reports are say that everyone is being dismissed, including Wahab and Azhar Mahmood. Babar, Naseem, Amir, and Fakhar will be retained, and the new team will be built around them.
Amir will retire himself. He only wants tournament and leagues
 
Fakhar Zaman is 34.
He will be 36 next t20 world cup.

Surely PCB need to look beyond him in T20s.

These 4 shouldn't play T20Is again given their age.

Imad
Amir
Chacha
Fakhar
 
What’s the point of retaining Aamir? He cannot bowl beyond 4 overs so he won’t be playing in CT.

The next T20 WC is in 2 years, so who knows what is his status then?
 
How many times will his career end, only for him to come back again .... and then to retire again?
When you keep writing off class players, this is what happens.

He’ll be back soon
 
What does serial killers have anything to do with this? 😂😂.

What a funny analogy.

These lads have murdered Palis
As I said in another thread Amir left our cricket for dead in his teenage years with his no balls and then came back in his later life to bury it with his wides.

Serial killer is an apt description.

Reap what you sow. We deserve this. Shameful to bring him back ever.
 
What do you say about shaheen the 3rd best bowler after imran and wasim in pakistan.

Who averaged 40 on bowling friendly pitches

When amir haris and naseem averaged below 15
It is disappointing that Babar trusted Amir with the Super Over not Shaheen.

Shaheen wouldn’t have bowled 3 wides and conceded 18.

Any other bowler bowling the Super Over and Pakistan could have still been in contention for the Super 8.

Amir let Pakistan down once again. A disgraceful individual. Always was and always will be.
 
No one in Pakistan retires with honor and on their own, if great Ws couldn't retire with honor then this guy will be booted first and then will retire in oblivion.
 
I think Amir can still play till 2025 CT or even World Cup 2027. He is only 32 (official age).
 
Amir was included for his Caribbean experience (apart from other misguided reasons) and the irony is that the team never reached there.. 😊
 
Won us the T20 World Cup 2009 and Champions Trophy in 2017.

He has achieved more than Shaheen ever will.
 
He is done now...

He is the reason we are out of this World Cup. If he can't perform under pressure so there is no point keeping him in the team.
 
Won us the T20 World Cup 2009 and Champions Trophy in 2017.

He has achieved more than Shaheen ever will.
Shaheen outbowled Amir entire champions trophy. Ali was the man of the series. Fakhar won the final when team scored 340.

Just to reminder that a total of 300+ has NEVER been chased in a CT or a world cup final EVER!. In fact 250+ has been chased ONCE in entire history of cricket.

Even Zimbabwe bowlers would have won the match after 330+ was posted.

Amir fans are as ungrateful and selfish as him IMO, stealing other people's credit.
 
Legends never die

He will always be remembered as the one who delivered the Champions Trophy 2017 to Pakistan by owning ViDhaSha in the final
 
Shaheen outbowled Amir entire champions trophy. Ali was the man of the series. Fakhar won the final when team scored 340.

Just to reminder that a total of 300+ has NEVER been chased in a CT or a world cup final EVER!. In fact 250+ has been chased ONCE in entire history of cricket.

Even Zimbabwe bowlers would have won the match after 330+ was posted.

Amir fans are as ungrateful and selfish as him IMO, stealing other people's credit.
It was Junaid not Shaheen. Amir even sat out of the semi final.
 
Legends never die

He will always be remembered as the one who delivered the Champions Trophy 2017 to Pakistan by owning ViDhaSha in the final
My grandma could have taken 3 wickets in that match after the batsmen scored 336 batting first.
 
I think we may have seen the last of Amir in international cricket.

A tragedy definitely. Could've achieved much more.

But, he still won 2 ICC trophies. Best pacer since Wasim-Waqar.
 
The career ended back in 2010 when he got caught spot fixing for a few pounds.

His rest of the career was like eating scraps
 
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The spot fixing definitely messed up his career trajectory and left him with just enough skill to make money.

He would have developed into a top-tier fast bowler without the fixing because he had a great action, pace, swing, and the mental fortitude to handle tough in-game situations.

Sadly just like Asif his off-pitch IQ was below zero and the five years' worth of no match practice killed his potential.
 
The spot fixing definitely messed up his career trajectory and left him with just enough skill to make money.

He would have developed into a top-tier fast bowler without the fixing because he had a great action, pace, swing, and the mental fortitude to handle tough in-game situations.

Sadly just like Asif his off-pitch IQ was below zero and the five years' worth of no match practice killed his potential.
I kindly disagree.

He still had a long career ahead when he came back after his 5 years ban. Alot of cricketers start their career at 23-25+. He was also secretly playing matches around Rawalpindi as a club cricketer and was getting the practice needed.

His issue was that he came from a very poor background. And alot of poor people who get rich quick, they look for such shortcuts. He basically learned that he can make 10x amount of money by just bowling 4 overs rather than playing 5 days of test cricket. Amir's love for money was well known when he was caught spot fixing for a few pounds.

Than, he got married to his own lawyer who fought his case. Alot of Pakistani cricketers when they get married, they tend to like settle down with their career.

My issue with him was that he owed Pakistan. The country that allowed him to return back to cricket and not the other two, he owed the PCB and the country something. Instead Amir proved that someone who likes money and is selfish will always make selfish decision.

His main focus was to some how play the England series because he probably learned from his wife that once he got entry to UK again with a valid visa, he can easily travel to the country since he was not really allowed due to his jail term. So he used Pakistan for his again and than bashed ex cricketers just because he wanted to quit. Like why drag others for no reason?

Azhar Mehmood spilled the beans on him once where he said something like Amir being soft, as he was never willing to put in the effort. He was later proved right when Amir did a runner.

What is even more disturbing is that now he wants to play IPL. A league by a country that hates Pakistan and discriminates against Pakistanis on purpose. Guy has no shame basically.
 
Amir was a next-level bowler, but he was never the same after his fixing scandal. His priorities changed, money got the better of him, and he was not at all interested in representing his country anymore.
 
I kindly disagree.

He still had a long career ahead when he came back after his 5 years ban. Alot of cricketers start their career at 23-25+. He was also secretly playing matches around Rawalpindi as a club cricketer and was getting the practice needed.

His issue was that he came from a very poor background. And alot of poor people who get rich quick, they look for such shortcuts. He basically learned that he can make 10x amount of money by just bowling 4 overs rather than playing 5 days of test cricket. Amir's love for money was well known when he was caught spot fixing for a few pounds.

Than, he got married to his own lawyer who fought his case. Alot of Pakistani cricketers when they get married, they tend to like settle down with their career.

My issue with him was that he owed Pakistan. The country that allowed him to return back to cricket and not the other two, he owed the PCB and the country something. Instead Amir proved that someone who likes money and is selfish will always make selfish decision.

His main focus was to some how play the England series because he probably learned from his wife that once he got entry to UK again with a valid visa, he can easily travel to the country since he was not really allowed due to his jail term. So he used Pakistan for his again and than bashed ex cricketers just because he wanted to quit. Like why drag others for no reason?

Azhar Mehmood spilled the beans on him once where he said something like Amir being soft, as he was never willing to put in the effort. He was later proved right when Amir did a runner.

What is even more disturbing is that now he wants to play IPL. A league by a country that hates Pakistan and discriminates against Pakistanis on purpose. Guy has no shame basically.

No question his greed was and is a major character flaw.

Like you've said, the spot fixing was just a glimpse into how his mind works. It's been proven time and time again that he's as selfish as they come and will always put a buck before everything else. Just an unforgivable thing and he really should have been completely discarded from Pakistani cricket.

As for his development, I still feel club cricket (especially Pakistani club cricket) is just not good enough. He lost out on five years' worth of international and domestic match practice, which is just too much at that age to hit max potential.
 
One cannot clap with one hand only

PCB attitude, Waqar as coach attitude are also key reasons in breakdown of Amir-PCT relationship.

I think we as fans should be ok with Amir the Test bowler's career. Given the way his career and life panned out after the ban, Pak got and Amir 2.0 gave as much as he reasonably could and his returns are fair. It was not in his stars to be a 200+ wkt bowler.

What both parties will regret is the non utilization of Amir during 2020-2023 phase in white ball cricket. Typically that age of 31-33 (since he is likely 2-3 yrs age fudger) is when bowler is mentally at best and still not fully over the hill physically. Pak also had a reasonable white ball team which came close in 2 T20 WCs and maybe having an Amir as guidance could have improved the bowling unit development if not end results of tourneys.
 
We scored the same against England in 2011 CWC and only ended up tying the game.
They are talking about finals. A total of 300+ has NEVER been chased in the entire history of CT and world cup finals. A total of 250+ has been chased ONCE.

Thats the pressure of chasing in a big final in ODIs where even 250 is a winning score nearly 95% of times and 300 is a winning score 100% of times.
 
That was a league match. And everyday is not a Sunday.

Brother we must credit where it’s due. It was a flat batting wicket where Pakistan bowling raped our hyped batting line up. We lost by like 200 runs something. It was not a defeat. It was a burial of Bharatiya cricket. Tell me one big match where we defeated Pakistan this bad. That was a slap on the face of every arrogant fake cricket fan from Bharat was indulging in irritating mauka mauka and baaap beta kind of low of level and cheap trolling.
 
Brother we must credit where it’s due. It was a flat batting wicket where Pakistan bowling raped our hyped batting line up. We lost by like 200 runs something. It was not a defeat. It was a burial of Bharatiya cricket. Tell me one big match where we defeated Pakistan this bad. That was a slap on the face of every arrogant fake cricket fan from Bharat was indulging in irritating mauka mauka and baaap beta kind of low of level and cheap trolling.
Well, big mouths should always eat dirt. I had no issues at that time with the likes of Virender Sehwag and Rishi Kapoor (RIP!) having to eat dirt.​
 
Well, big mouths should always eat dirt. I had no issues at that time with the likes of Virender Sehwag and Rishi Kapoor (RIP!) having to eat dirt.​

It is ok brother, who are we to judge. It is not uncommon for men to be influenced by the dark side. I never judge people for that because they’re themselves the biggest victim of their own hatred. I pray for them that they get rid of the dark side and embrace God. I remember my own dark days and feel blessed to have come out of that phase.
 
Brother we must credit where it’s due. It was a flat batting wicket where Pakistan bowling raped our hyped batting line up. We lost by like 200 runs something. It was not a defeat. It was a burial of Bharatiya cricket. Tell me one big match where we defeated Pakistan this bad. That was a slap on the face of every arrogant fake cricket fan from Bharat was indulging in irritating mauka mauka and baaap beta kind of low of level and cheap trolling.
Brother you can keep ignoring the entire history of chasing in big match finals while pretending to be sarcastic, but it doesn't change that this is neither funny nor clever.

Yes we were destroyed, but it was Fakhar who destroyed us, stealing credit from him is scummy.
 
Brother you can keep ignoring the entire history of chasing in big match finals while pretending to be sarcastic, but it doesn't change that this is neither funny nor clever.

Yes we were destroyed, but it was Fakhar who destroyed us, stealing credit from him is scummy.

We lost by like 200 runs.
That wasn’t Fakhar’a doing.

Amir destroyed our batting line up that day. There is no shame in giving credit where it’s due.
 
We lost by like 200 runs.
That wasn’t Fakhar’a doing.

Amir raped our batting line up that day. There is no shame in giving credit where it’s due.
Which is the point I am making about pressure of chasing in big match finals. We would have been destroyed even by zimbabwe bowlers because the pressure of run rate was too much in a grand finale.
 
Which is the point I am making about pressure of chasing in big match finals. We would have been destroyed even by zimbabwe bowlers because the pressure of run rate was too much in a grand finale.

I am sure most people in our country wished it was indeed Zimbabwe given the humiliating nature of the defeat.

We scored 400 recently in an ODI CWC semifinal and NZ almost chased it down.Maybe if if we have a bowling attack as good as Zimbabwe other than useless Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Kuldeep probably we would also have been able to hand out a humiliation to NZ.
 
If Amir's career is over after one poor game in a tournament than Rizbar should have been extinct by the 2022 world cup
 
I am sure most people in our country wished it was indeed Zimbabwe given the humiliating nature of the defeat.

We scored 400 recently in an ODI CWC semifinal and NZ almost chased it down.Maybe if if we have a bowling attack as good as Zimbabwe other than useless Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Kuldeep probably we would also have been able to hand out a humiliation to NZ.
Yeah semis is not finals

And you using so much hyperbole for someone taking 3 wickets when ball was swinging a mile and team was chasing 330 in a big final.

Not even fiver but a 3 wicket haul being hyperboled to this extent.

All this poor attempt at sarcasm, I remember on reddit so many people on Donald Trump sub all joined for sarcasm and fun and then became actual hard core supporters.

That's how human psyche works, you can pretend trolling and sarcasm but you get invested in all the time spent on doing these things and then become emotionally attached or those points which were initially made as a joke. And then you become that thing.
 
Yeah semis is not finals

And you using so much hyperbole for someone taking 3 wickets when ball was swinging a mile and team was chasing 330 in a big final.

Not even fiver but a 3 wicket haul being hyperboled to this extent.

All this poor attempt at sarcasm, I remember on reddit so many people on Donald Trump sub all joined for sarcasm and fun and then became actual hard core supporters.

That's how human psyche works, you can pretend trolling and sarcasm but you get invested in all the time spent on doing these things and then become emotionally attached or those points which were initially made as a joke. And then you become that thing.

Why wasn’t the ball swinging a mile for our pacers?

A 3fer in a tournament final when you destroy arguably one of the greatest Top 3 ODI batting line ups ever is as better than most random 5fers.

Context matters.

Contest :-
  • Tournament final
  • Major online offensive by our fans with the Baap beta comments and mauka comments
  • Our bowling choked. Bumrah choked.
  • Fakhar destroyed us. Hafeez destroyed us.
  • Our batting line up got destroyed. Amir went mad on our top order.

We are a great cricket nation and we have had plenty of moments to celebrate and be proud of. I see no reason why we cannot be gracious in acknowledging one of our opponent’s great triumphs.
 
All this poor attempt at sarcasm, I remember on reddit so many people on Donald Trump sub all joined for sarcasm and fun and then became actual hard core supporters.

That's how human psyche works, you can pretend trolling and sarcasm but you get invested in all the time spent on doing these things and then become emotionally attached or those points which were initially made as a joke. And then you become that thing.

And what is the problem with that?
If i have formed a deep connection with Pakistani friends because of years of interactions with them, that’s something to be proud of for me.

I can say nasty things at times but my friends in Pakistan and from Islam know one thing about me that i give them my 100% honesty. Sometimes due to closer associations with dark side maybe i have been more extremes, i always regret that and try to be better without compromising on honesty.
 
Why wasn’t the ball swinging a mile for our pacers?

A 3fer in a tournament final when you destroy arguably one of the greatest Top 3 ODI batting line ups ever is as better than most random 5fers.

Context matters.

Contest :-
  • Tournament final
  • Major online offensive by our fans with the Baap beta comments and mauka comments
  • Our bowling choked. Bumrah choked.
  • Fakhar destroyed us. Hafeez destroyed us.
  • Our batting line up got destroyed. Amir went mad on our top order.

We are a great cricket nation and we have had plenty of moments to celebrate and be proud of. I see no reason why we cannot be gracious in acknowledging one of our opponent’s great triumphs.
First time you heard about ball swinging in afternoon in second half in england? Come on dude!

330 was a winning score never ever chased in big tournament in history. That's the only context you need.

As I said, when you troll too much you actually become the troll for real.
 
First time you heard about ball swinging in afternoon in second half in england? Come on dude!

330 was a winning score never ever chased in big tournament in history. That's the only context you need.

As I said, when you troll too much you actually become the troll for real.

Brother we can agree to disagree.
 
Who in Pakistan Cricket is Capable of Conceding 1 runs in last 4 bowls of an over with first two balls getting hit for two sixes against M Nabi & James Vince ?

only Mohammad Amir.


This shows his mental grit and toughness.


If QG reach knock out stage the same Amir will bowl 5 kph Faster and will become deadly (provided he stays fit)


Amir & Fakhar are big match players. Impact players.
 
Mohammad Amir is still the most box office Pakistani bowler to watch, always has me on the edge of my seat, you can’t disagree with that, love him or hate him, ya”ll going to watch him. He is the last throwback Pakistani fast bowler, there is no Jazbah from the others unfortunately.
 
Mohammad Amir is still the most box office Pakistani bowler to watch, always has me on the edge of my seat, you can’t disagree with that, love him or hate him, ya”ll going to watch him. He is the last throwback Pakistani fast bowler, there is no Jazbah from the others unfortunately.
Only Jazba will take you nowhere if you do not have the bowling intelligence or skillset.

You need to out thought world class batsman by your sharp intelligent plan and it's execution. For this you need mental intelligence ie a certain IQ level and skillset. If you want to bowl a deadly yorker than without having the skill you cannot just day dream about it.

One Day a retired Kohli will speak and write in depth about the Amir he faced in 2016. If I am not wrong he bowled few deliveries above 148 kph and his fastest ball was quicker than what peak wahab bowled In that match and even his Average speed was around 90 mph in that spell. The lesser we talk about the deadly swing the better.

Such Spells make cricket so much more exciting and watchable to be honest.
 
Only Jazba will take you nowhere if you do not have the bowling intelligence or skillset.

You need to out thought world class batsman by your sharp intelligent plan and it's execution. For this you need mental intelligence ie a certain IQ level and skillset. If you want to bowl a deadly yorker than without having the skill you cannot just day dream about it.

One Day a retired Kohli will speak and write in depth about the Amir he faced in 2016. If I am not wrong he bowled few deliveries above 148 kph and his fastest ball was quicker than what peak wahab bowled In that match and even his Average speed was around 90 mph in that spell. The lesser we talk about the deadly swing the better.

Such Spells make cricket so much more exciting and watchable to be honest.

Jazbah comes from high IQ bowling hence why I said Amir is a throwback to Pakistani greats, there’s a misconception that they simply overwhelmed batters with their physicality.
 
Jazbah comes from high IQ bowling hence why I said Amir is a throwback to Pakistani greats, there’s a misconception that they simply overwhelmed batters with their physicality.
Sorry I don't see a correlation between جذبہ and ذہانت
 
In an interview, Mohammad Amir opened up about his recent career moves, revealing the sacrifices he made ahead of the T20 World Cup 2024. He said:

"I left my County contract to focus on the T20 World Cup. At that time, I was bearing all the expenses myself, whether it was physio, ticketing, or hotel stay. After the World Cup ended, nobody contacted me to discuss if I was in their future plans. So naturally, as a player, I had to think about my own career and move on."
 
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