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Imad Wasim as a chaser/finisher:

Matches: 11

Lost: 9
Won: 2

Average in chases: 26
Strike rate: 91

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Imad's inability to bat in finisher or chaser situations is hurting the team.

Whenever the required run rate is above 6, he crumbles.

Most recently he showed that against Australia in the UAE, and now again in England.

All bad signs leading to the World Cup!
 
We dont have any good all rounder coming through unfortunately so its either Imad or Faheem
 
Imad Ali can't play the short ball. England have figured him out. He always gets out trying to upper cut or hook a short delivery
 
I think if he came in to bat in place of sarfraz today then maybe we could’ve had a better shot st winning.

He’s a bit of a slow and edgy starter and he usually speads up after 10-15 balls which is why he’s not that good when he’s in a situation when he has to go from ball one.
 
Yes I have been saying this for ages, he scores some useless runs but never helps team.
 
Also according to this OP, Faheem > Imad as a finisher, so this clearly shows where his motives lie and the agenda he's driven by to spout such nonsense.
 
It’s a crazy, hate driven thread that makes zero sense...

The game was lost for other reasons.
But he’ll of s lot we can take from today, mainly that Yasir should not play Odis again and Amir needs to come in, probably instead of Faheem.
 
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Imad is not a finisher. Problem is al the players can bat at a 90 to 100 SR but not beyond.

Had the likes of Haris, sarfarz or even Imad batted at 3 they would also score a 50 of 50 balls...
 
It was top bowling by Willy. Not many players can hit out head high bouncers, and wide Yorkers for that matter.

We lost due to timid and selfish batting of Imam, who went at SR of 79 when hitting out is the easiest, hard ball and only two players outside ring
 
IMMY69 said:
It’s a crazy, hate driven thread that makes zero sense...

The game was lost for other reasons.
But he’ll of s lot we can take from today, mainly that Yasir should not play Odis again and Amir needs to come in, probably instead of Faheem.
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I spotted this as well!

Have you noticed, to up his agenda, he's been rating Faheem over Imad as a hitter. It makes no sense whatsoever - see my post #1723 on page 22:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...gainst-England-in-high-scoring-2nd-ODI/page22
 
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pakistani pride said:
Imad is not a finisher. Problem is al the players can bat at a 90 to 100 SR but not beyond.

Had the likes of Haris, sarfarz or even Imad batted at 3 they would also score a 50 of 50 balls...
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Most batsmen did play at a good rate for a change, Sarfaraz included.

We lost due to brainless death bowling (lenghts and half volleys?) and then Imam's snail knock
 
Best option we have. He and Shadab as spinners bring balance to the team. We should play those 2 and then 3 genuine pacers as we did in the CT. Faheem cannot even be called a bits and pieces cricketer, they usually perform once in a while. Faheem has not given a single notable performance against a top 10 team in his entire career.
 
He needs to work on his batting against the short ball.

He only has one answer to the short ball and that is the dab over the keeper.

If he doesn't improve against the short ball then most teams will just work him over again and again.
 
Blame the guy who is doing a decent job lol. As if there are Buttlers,Maxwells,and Stokes in domestic cricket to replace Imad.
 
Imad isn’t the problem.

It is Faheem Ashraf, we have invested almost three years in him and this is what he is giving us?

I mean even Anwar Ali of nowadays would do a better job than him.
 
The problem is we havent got any genuine hitters Imad is a good batsman like all the others but not someone who can smash pace bowling

What we need in this case is batters to go at 6-7 runs from the beginning That means theres no place in the team for accumulators like imam\malik who cant do the job of a bare min 100% strike rate
 
Like we have plenty of finishers waiting in the wings.

M Hafeez at 5, Asif Ali at 6 and Imad Wasim at 7 is our best combination for that role.
 
We dont have a finisher...dont think we've ever had one...not a quality one anyway like Dhoni, Bevan etc let alone a Buttler.

Imad is not a finisher, just someone who bats at no 7.

Yes...useless thread.
 
Looks like it hasn't gone down well with the fan club, which is expected.

Imad's skillset, however, just isn't made for a late order batsman. Lack of shots.

It should make you wonder why he can't win us matches from such an important position. That is because of the inability to clear the fence at will, weakness against the short ball, too many other flaws for a finisher at #7.

I didn't say he's useless, he can be handy at #4 or max #5 if he can maintain 40 average with 100 strike rate. Don't be blinded by love, [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION], the criticism is about his inability to do anything meaningful when the situation demands at that position.

I don't care if Faheem is the answer, or someone else is.

But, we badly need someone better who is comfortable against pace and has scoring shots. Imad doesn't have that skillset for a #7 or #8 batsman.
 
Saj said:
He needs to work on his batting against the short ball.

He only has one answer to the short ball and that is the dab over the keeper.

If he doesn't improve against the short ball then most teams will just work him over again and again.
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That's true indeed. His placement against the pacers is way off too, can't pick length, thus inability to clear the fence at will. That is a must for any #7, #8.

mak36 said:
Maybe, but he has a point. Imad fails whenever he is actually needed.
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Imad can be moved down the order, and a proper hitter brought in at his position.
 
Imad will never win us anything with bat or ball.

Umer Khan was my choice.
 
I agree with Hawkeye. Imad certainly need to grow some ball's and finish the game for Pakistan .so far he is doing fantastic job in batting first but in chasing he always come short which is worrying sign for us before worldcup because he is only inform low order batsmen we have.
 
Ami said:
We dont have a finisher...dont think we've ever had one...not a quality one anyway like Dhoni, Bevan etc let alone a Buttler.

Imad is not a finisher, just someone who bats at no 7.

Yes...useless thread.
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Pretty much all that needs to be said. Asking Imad - or Faheem for that matter - to do the job of Buttler or Dhoni is like asking Sohail Tanveer to do it. These guys are bowlers who can hit the odd big six, not batsmen who can finish a game. The top six batsmen should be finishing games, death overs need specialist batsmen.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Pretty much all that needs to be said. Asking Imad - or Faheem for that matter - to do the job of Buttler or Dhoni is like asking Sohail Tanveer to do it. These guys are bowlers who can hit the odd big six, not batsmen who can finish a game. The top six batsmen should be finishing games, death overs need specialist batsmen.
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Imad Wasim has the role of a finisher. He bats at that position. His bowler isn't good enough to get you wickets as he's a defensive bowler.

The same argument can be applied to Sarfraz - he's a keeper and captain primarily, isn't expected to bat you out of these situations.

But, that's not the case. These days, Sarfraz is the favorite target of all the hate at PP.

While the blue eyed boy Imad escapes all the criticism, even though he hasn't won us anything, and will continue to fail in getting us over the line.

Both Sarfraz and Imad are poor finishers and can't hit at will in the late order. If Asif doesn't click, we'll continue to lose matches when we're required to get over a line.
 
Hawkeye said:
Imad Wasim has the role of a finisher. He bats at that position. His bowler isn't good enough to get you wickets as he's a defensive bowler.

The same argument can be applied to Sarfraz - he's a keeper and captain primarily, isn't expected to bat you out of these situations.

But, that's not the case. These days, Sarfraz is the favorite target of all the hate at PP.

While the blue eyed boy Imad escapes all the criticism, even though he hasn't won us anything, and will continue to fail in getting us over the line.

Both Sarfraz and Imad are poor finishers and can't hit at will in the late order. If Asif doesn't click, we'll continue to lose matches when we're required to get over a line.
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Batting higher up in the order doesn't make you a finisher, doesn't matter whether you are Imad or Sarfraz, I already gave the reasons why, don't want to repeat myself again. If you disagree then you can say why and we can have that debate.
 
He has his flaws but it doesn't matter. He gives us a relatively safe 10 overs, and performs with the bat to an extent. We haven't had this in ages. Afridi bowled decently enough, but was no finisher or consistent enough with the bat. Razzaq was great early on in his career, but wasn't really a 10 over bowler for the second half of it. Even are past allroounders had flaws. And those are by a mile to the two best allrounders we had at that position for decades. Let alone comparing to the likes of Fahim, Anwar Ali etc.

If Hafeez could still bowl 10 overs reliably, then there could be serious talks of replacing Imad with a proper bat. But he can't, and without Imad in the team, we weaken the team, we leave a hole in bowling or batting.

It's all very well claiming another allrounder should be looked for, but very few have stood out, and Mickey made his choice to persist with Fahim. And Imad right now is a country mile ahead of Fahim, it's not even comparable from a bowling or batting stand point. So we have no choice.

Imad's not being played as a finisher, we can't afford that luxury. He's there due to balance. I was sick of a guy averaging 10, not bowling full quota and generally poor with the ball, batting at "8" for the sake of "balance". This guy is lightyears better for that purpose.
 
Hawkeye said:
Looks like it hasn't gone down well with the fan club, which is expected.

Imad's skillset, however, just isn't made for a late order batsman. Lack of shots.

It should make you wonder why he can't win us matches from such an important position. That is because of the inability to clear the fence at will, weakness against the short ball, too many other flaws for a finisher at #7.

I didn't say he's useless, he can be handy at #4 or max #5 if he can maintain 40 average with 100 strike rate. Don't be blinded by love, [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION], the criticism is about his inability to do anything meaningful when the situation demands at that position.

I don't care if Faheem is the answer, or someone else is.

But, we badly need someone better who is comfortable against pace and has scoring shots. Imad doesn't have that skillset for a #7 or #8 batsman.
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in faheem's defense he probably plays the short ball better than imad. slim pickings for silvier linings, i know
 
I hope my this post is respected due to free speech because what i am going to say below is needed.

Hawkeye has always been an agenda driven poster. He is a free PR agency of his own for the players he favours and comes down hard on the ones that he feels are competition to his favorites. He has mentioned Faheem being a better all rounder than Imad.

Anyone with even a pea sized brain can tell you how wrong is this.

This thread to shoot down Imad is driven by his agenda as well. Although, it does have some merit but his intentions are not good.
 
Hawkeye said:
Looks like it hasn't gone down well with the fan club, which is expected.

Imad's skillset, however, just isn't made for a late order batsman. Lack of shots.

It should make you wonder why he can't win us matches from such an important position. That is because of the inability to clear the fence at will, weakness against the short ball, too many other flaws for a finisher at #7.

I didn't say he's useless, he can be handy at #4 or max #5 if he can maintain 40 average with 100 strike rate. Don't be blinded by love, [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION], the criticism is about his inability to do anything meaningful when the situation demands at that position.

I don't care if Faheem is the answer, or someone else is.

But, we badly need someone better who is comfortable against pace and has scoring shots. Imad doesn't have that skillset for a #7 or #8 batsman.
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First of all I am not part of the Imad fan club. The reason why I detest your special hatred of the player is because he's actually one of the few players who actually plays to win and is potentially captaincy material after the WC, so as a true Pakistan fan (unlike yourself), I will defend one of our performing players.

Everyone can see from the responses to this thread where your motives truly lie and it is blindingly obvious, since your special hatred towards him (of late) has coincided with the way you're boosting Faheem's credentials as a hitter - as evident from yesterday's post when you claimed Imad isn't a hitter while Rana is one of the three best hitters in Pakistan. No one is going to buy this, not even Faheem's only fan on here :))

Now to end your drivel once and for all, lets talk in facts. Imad has played 11 ODIs in 2019 and has scored 5 x 50s at an average of 79.67 (not entirely relevant because half of them came in not outs) but what really matters is those runs came at a strike rate of 138.15. So I dare you now to inflate Faheem's hitting capability.

You will always be exposed as an agenda driven poster. Speaking of love, Alhamdulillah you're not part of the PCB otherwise we would see Misbah captain the side, if it was up to you. After this thread, you have lost all credibility in my eyes, until you retract all this nonsense.
 
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Imad has been caught missing during chases, that is true and a matter of concern. Hes been valuable to us many times while setting up targets; its chases where he falters.

He should look to improve on this issue.

However, hes the only capable all rounder out of all the three pretenders (Faheem, Hassan, Imad)
 
Slim said:
I hope my this post is respected due to free speech because what i am going to say below is needed.

Hawkeye has always been an agenda driven poster. He is a free PR agency of his own for the players he favours and comes down hard on the ones that he feels are competition to his favorites. He has mentioned Faheem being a better all rounder than Imad.

Anyone with even a pea sized brain can tell you how wrong is this.

This thread to shoot down Imad is driven by his agenda as well. Although, it does have some merit but his intentions are not good.
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Precisely well said bro.
 
topspin said:
First of all I am not part of the Imad fan club. The reason why I detest your special hatred of the player is because he's actually one of the few players who actually plays to win and is potentially captaincy material after the WC, so as a true Pakistan fan (unlike yourself), I will defend one of our performing players.

Everyone can see from the responses to this thread where your motives truly lie and it is blindingly obvious, since your special hatred towards him (of late) has coincided with the way you're boosting Faheem's credentials as a hitter - as evident from yesterday's post when you claimed Imad isn't a hitter while Rana is one of the three best hitters in Pakistan. No one is going to buy this, not even Faheem's only fan on here :))

Now to end your drivel once and for all, lets talk in facts. Imad has played 11 ODIs in 2019 and has scored 5 x 50s at an average of 79.67 (not entirely relevant because half of them came in not outs) but what really matters is those runs came at a strike rate of 138.15. So I dare you now to inflate Faheem's hitting capability.

You will always be exposed as an agenda driven poster. Speaking of love, Alhamdulillah you're not part of the PCB otherwise we would see Misbah captain the side, if it was up to you. After this thread, you have lost all credibility in my eyes, until you retract all this nonsense.
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Im glad you mentioned Misbah. Him and another poster ( who i wouldnt name, he has a misbah avatar) were flag bearers of extreme amount of pro Misbah propaganda. Thankgod, Afridi and Misbah left Pakistan cricket.
 
OP is moaning but who should play instead of him?

He is not an ideal option but there is no one better than him who can bowl 10 overs. Its like saying Bangladesh need replace some of the trundlers with real fast bowlers, and its true but they don't any right now. Its useless discussing this when you don't have a alternative
 
Slim said:
Im glad you mentioned Misbah. Him and another poster ( who i wouldnt name, he has a misbah avatar) were flag bearers of extreme amount of pro Misbah propaganda. Thankgod, Afridi and Misbah left Pakistan cricket.
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I know the guy.

They don't have interests of the team at heart, simple as that. A lot of the Afridi fans were also the same.
 
It's a bit concerning how he bottles it during chases. When batting first or chasing when the game is already lost he does well but I can recall a few recent instances in tight chases where he's bottled it. Hopefully he improves on this.
 
pakistani pride said:
Imad is not a finisher. Problem is al the players can bat at a 90 to 100 SR but not beyond.

Had the likes of Haris, sarfarz or even Imad batted at 3 they would also score a 50 of 50 balls...
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Haris sarfraz imad would have scored more than 50 from 50 surely they wouldn't have thrown their wicket
 
His mediocrity has no bounds.

I'm sad but not shocked that we continue to let such bits and pieces players thrive in our team, even giving a chance at the world cup!

Not even decent at those bits and pieces.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Guy gives this team a lot of balance. Unwarranted criticism here.
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Precisely. Unfortunately most of his critics are poorly versed with cricket or wish to propagate their rhetoric to protect their favourites. With the OP it is the latter and he has gone out of his way to sell his bogus information, whereby according to him there are three hitters in the Pakistan side and one of them is Faheem but Imad isn't, which sums up his level of credibility.
 
I have been shouting for a million years that Imad will never win us any games with bat or ball.

Drop him and play a proper bowler or batsman.
 
topspin said:
I know the guy.

They don't have interests of the team at heart, simple as that. A lot of the Afridi fans were also the same.
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It has clearly hit a nerve. :najam

But, I don't blame you much - you currently don't have the bigger picture in your sight and ignorant about what a late order batter should be.

You can keep on being his blind support, but you too will eventually see the light like others have.

Don't go so deep in supporting someone that it leads to such ignorance.
 
Don't think Asif Ali is the answer, hasn't even threatened to get close. Not sure if it is technical deficiency or mental. Or maybe both.
 
Hawkeye said:
It has clearly hit a nerve. :najam

But, I don't blame you much - you currently don't have the bigger picture in your sight and ignorant about what a late order batter should be.

You can keep on being his blind support, but you too will eventually see the light like others have.

Don't go so deep in supporting someone that it leads to such ignorance.
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You've already been exposed as an agenda driven poster and you had no response to my earlier post (35) because you got schooled - as you usually do by me.

Unlike you I don't do anyone's PR for free because I have some self-respect. I'm defending Imad merely because he's been one of our few performing players. He has scored 5 x 50s in his 11 x ODI innings at a strike rate of 140 this year and in this series he has the best economy of all the Pakistan bowlers (that have played at least 2 x ODIs). Also you went running away after his excellent bowling display today.

"Don't go so deep in supporting someone that it leads to such ignorance."

As for the above statement, you speak for yourself because everyone on here knows deep down, if it was up to you, Misbah would be the captain of the side, so Alhamdulillah the PCB and Pakistan team is free from you, otherwise this would have been enforced by now.

Also you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, when you started to increase the credentials of Faheem because all you did was expose your agenda.
 
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gazza619 said:
I have been shouting for a million years that Imad will never win us any games with bat or ball.

Drop him and play a proper bowler or batsman.
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Shadab is a better batsmen and far better bowler. He will replace Imad in the WC playing 11
 
According to Waqar Imad has been our match winner since the past two years :))
What matches has waqar been watching,seriously.
 
coy0607 said:
Shadab is a better batsmen and far better bowler. He will replace Imad in the WC playing 11
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Shadab is a far better bowler but we need a proper finisher/batsman who isn't a dud like Imad.

Shadab isn't much better as late order batsman.

We need someone who is comfortable vs pace and can attack the bowlers.

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According to Waqar Imad has been our match winner since the past two years :))
What matches has waqar been watching,seriously.
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:)))

Imad stays under the radar and escapes criticism, but he's as useless as Sarfraz and Malik in the late order.
 
Both Imad and Asif Ali cannot play short pitched bowling which means they won't be winning games because the opposition knows that. So you cut their scoring shots and they will give you their wickets.

All finishers have to be batsmen first. Name me one finisher who is a relukatta?
 
Hawkeye said:
Imad Wasim as a chaser/finisher:

Matches: 11

Lost: 9
Won: 2

Average in chases: 26
Strike rate: 91

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Imad's inability to bat in finisher or chaser situations is hurting the team.

Whenever the required run rate is above 6, he crumbles.

Most recently he showed that against Australia in the UAE, and now again in England.

All bad signs leading to the World Cup!
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The guy averages 47.

Almost as inconsequential as an average of 54 for Babar and 52 for Imam.
 
Pete Rose said:
both faheem and imad have been bad whether you consider them as bits and pieces cricketers or as allrounders.
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Imad is fine.

He has a 40 average and strikes at over 100 with 5 fifties in 33 innings. 39 wickets in 45 innings with a sub 5 economy for a spin all-rounder is decent. The average around 40 isn't great, but he doesn't have a better replacement and has had some pretty good innings for what was required.

Faheem literally does nothing.
 
If Imad bats at #7 then the expectation should be to finish games. This has happened just too many times to ignore. Even with solid starts, Pakistan has been failing to win games. Pakistani batsmen are able to hit centuries at an acceptable strike rate, something that was missing in Misbah's era, but all of them are coming in loses which shows that the lower order is not doing its job.

Even a specialist bowler can score 20-30 on a flat track. Imad needs to lift his game with the bat else he should be competing with a proper spinner for a spot. The same holds true for Shadab who is worse than Imad in both batting and bowling.
 
The_Odd_One said:
If Imad bats at #7 then the expectation should be to finish games. This has happened just too many times to ignore. Even with solid starts, Pakistan has been failing to win games. Pakistani batsmen are able to hit centuries at an acceptable strike rate, something that was missing in Misbah's era, but all of them are coming in loses which shows that the lower order is not doing its job.

Even a specialist bowler can score 20-30 on a flat track. Imad needs to lift his game with the bat else he should be competing with a proper spinner for a spot. The same holds true for Shadab who is worse than Imad in both batting and bowling.
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Not sure what cricket you are watching mate, how on earth is Shadab worse than Imad in bowling. Imad's runs so far in his career have not been meaningful to any results and fielding wise Imad will probably be among the top 10 worse fielders this world cup.
 
Not having a genuine finisher is pak teams biggest problem. If we bat first and bat well, we can get around this flaw, but if we bat second and are chasing a big score, we will struggle badly to get over the line and will only manage to do so if all our complete lower order somehowv scramble enough runs to get us over the finishing line.
 
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