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Doesnt seem to be much of a threat in bowling despite bowling tidily. Certainly not a test prospect which is what Waqar wanted to see according to reports.

Batting wise can he be sent up the order and see if he does any carnage there?
 
Certainly doesn't look like someone who can play Test cricket in two weeks time.
 
He can play as an A/R in the Test team, but definitely not as a pure spinner and his batting isn't that great either.

He can contribute with a 30-40, but don't expect a hundred from him in the longer format.
 
Doesnt look test class, but can be a solid ODI cricketer if he can bat as well as he has done recently in domestics
 
His age is already 30 should be thrown out of Odi side

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Pakcricket89 said:
Competetion b/w him and Imad can be good for the team. 30 means he can play for 6-7 yerars if he performs
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He is mediocre compared to Immad...immad is 4 years younger then him and is much better bowler then him and immad can bat in the top 5 where as bilal is a hack

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Has a perfectly legal action for one.

Won't judge on one bowling performance, Yasir Shah had worse figures on debut
 
Slog said:
Doesnt seem to be much of a threat in bowling despite bowling tidily. Certainly not a test prospect which is what Waqar wanted to see according to reports.

Batting wise can he be sent up the order and see if he does any carnage there?
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Why not play Shoaib Malik in test ?
 
if there arent any other good options for the off spinners position, then we need to select him or shoaib malik against england because they have lots of lefties.
 
Not really that impressed. Didn't seem anything special, but to be fair, this wicket isn't great for spin bowling...
 
Has he opened before in domestic cricket? I think the highest he has batted is at 3 and that too in T20. Not an international player anyway. But I guess they had to experiment for Misbah's sake.
 
Could also be the last impressions of Asif
 
Ahson8 said:
Said it from the start.. Guy is a hack. Just look at his stats, man. How the hell can they select this guy (& Shafiq - a failure in ODIs) ahead of Babar Azam
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That's Pakistan cricket for you. We're the best at destroying young talents. Then 10 years later we make threads of how good the batsmen or bowlers could have been .. etc. etc.
 
how could you open with him , he has never opened in life
 
Such a hack. Can't believe some guys actually support him here. Told you he's ordinary [MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION] , Maqsood is much better than this hack.
 
If its a spin bowling allrounder, Imad wasim has shown greater promise IMO. Should be back for the next match.
 
I would give him another game.

I think he has potential with the ball, but throw him down the order.
 
Ready with the ball and handy with the bat but admittedly this is not the first time I've watched him play. He should bat no higher than #7 in international cricket. He's a bowling allrounder and we have loads of them already that are actually better than him.
 
Ahson8 said:
Such a hack. Can't believe some guys actually support him here. Told you he's ordinary [MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION] , Maqsood is much better than this hack.
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Maqsood isnt dissimilar to him.
Atleast asif can bowl
 
Would prefer Zafar Gohar more instead for the Test spot.

Hope that he does well in the practice game.
 
Absolutely idiotic.

Needs to be dropped forever. Shocked how you can play a shot like that on your debut :))

Back to club cricket.
 
Ahson8 said:
Such a hack. Can't believe some guys actually support him here. Told you he's ordinary [MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION] , Maqsood is much better than this hack.
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I missed his batting. It was his debut match tho so dont be so harsh. Lets give him another chance.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I missed his batting. It was his debut match tho so dont be so harsh. Lets give him another chance.
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:facepalm:

Just go and see his stats on cricinfo. Ridiculous that he got in the squad in the first place. Even when he made his T20 ton, I mentioned he seems like another Shakeel Ansar.

Say whatever you want about Maqsood, but atleast he averages 40+ at FC & List A levels.
 
Ahson8 said:
:facepalm:

Just go and see his stats on cricinfo. Ridiculous that he got in the squad in the first place. Even when he made his T20 ton, I mentioned he seems like another Shakeel Ansar.

Say whatever you want about Maqsood, but atleast he averages 40+ at FC & List A levels.
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Personally Ahson, i dont really care about List A stats esp with regards to international players because thats where they have to perform afterwards.

However, his bowling average seems quite okay from the stats. Batting one is meh except t20.
 
Ahson8 said:
Maqsood is much better. Just go and look at Asif's stats. A farce that he was selected.
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Those same stats show hammad azam as an 18 averaging bowler, so I wont read much into that.

I trusty my eyes n to me both asif n maqsood r not much different in terms of batting ability.
Both r sloggers but from wht I hv seen of asif, he can rotate strike unlike sohaib who is way overrated.

It was wrong to promote bilal tday. We might hv been better able to judge his potential had he come after yamin
 
Ahson8 said:
:facepalm:

Just go and see his stats on cricinfo. Ridiculous that he got in the squad in the first place. Even when he made his T20 ton, I mentioned he seems like another Shakeel Ansar.

Say whatever you want about Maqsood, but atleast he averages 40+ at FC & List A levels.
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In that 100, he smashed the likes of junaid, yasir, kamran ghulam n ahmed jamal so it wasnt a bad attack.
Some of the shots he played were pure quality and there was a marked difference in the quality of his centur n that of shakeel.

Cricket should be judged qualitatively not just purely on stats my friend.
 
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Shouldn't open but still too early to count him out as an international cricketer. Let him play at least another match or two before saying anything.
 
dont give caps freely you should earn it nowadays its new trend in Pakistan . play 2 or 3 good games in domestic T20 and you get selected in T20 squad then eventually in ODI's this is not how you select players

Bilal Asif,Mukhtar Ahmed are some examples .
 
give him more games , he has potential to hit long sixes , scores hundred of 40 balls , bowls tidy offspin , i think he is backup to imad wasim for me.
 
axl100mph said:
In that 100, he smashed the likes of junaid, yasir, kamran ghulam n ahmed jamal so it wasnt a bad attack.
Some of the shots he played were pure quality and there was a marked difference in the quality of his centur n that of shakeel.

Cricket should be judged qualitatively not just purely on stats my friend.
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And that quality is ultimately reflected by the stats. If you judge a player by one game and think that you are judging the player by 'watching' him, then you are wrong. If you want to judge by 'watching', then watch him for at least 10 games, so that you can know about him properly. If you judge by one game, then you might see Sachin on a bad day and consider him to be a terrible batsman or you might see Shakeel Ansar on the day he scored a hundred and consider a batsman with first class average of 13 to be Gilchrist. Bilal's knock was good, but if he was that good on a regular basis, then he wouldn't be averaging below 20 with strike rate of less than 60 after 20 List A games.
 
Kakar said:
And that quality is ultimately reflected by the stats. If you judge a player by one game and think that you are judging the player by 'watching' him, then you are wrong. If you want to judge by 'watching', then watch him for at least 10 games, so that you can know about him properly. If you judge by one game, then you might see Sachin on a bad day and consider him to be a terrible batsman or you might see Shakeel Ansar on the day he scored a hundred and consider a batsman with first class average of 13 to be Gilchrist. Bilal's knock was good, but if he was that good on a regular basis, then he wouldn't be averaging below 20 with strike rate of less than 60 after 20 List A games.
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Top post.

I'm not saying you should judge an individual "purely" on stats. For example Imad Wasim, Anwar Ali or Aamer Yamin do not have the best of stats but they're handy players to have in the team if you've seen them play, because they can come in and score runs at positions 7 or 8. So there are some cases where you have to ignore the stats.

But Asif's batting stats are quite shocking. He averages 15, doesn't have a single list A fifty, and has a low strike rate. I'm not sure how he's comparable to Maqsood who has won us a game vs SL, and scored against the likes of Steyn and Morkel early on in his career, while maintaining good batting averages at the domestic level. Let's not forget that Maqsood racked up good domestic performances before making the team, while Asif was selected on the basis of one good innings.
 
Ahson8 said:
Top post.

I'm not saying you should judge an individual "purely" on stats. For example Imad Wasim, Anwar Ali or Aamer Yamin do not have the best of stats but they're handy players to have in the team if you've seen them play, because they can come in and score runs at positions 7 or 8. So there are some cases where you have to ignore the stats.

But Asif's batting stats are quite shocking. He averages 15, doesn't have a single list A fifty, and has a low strike rate. I'm not sure how he's comparable to Maqsood who has won us a game vs SL, and scored against the likes of Steyn and Morkel early on in his career, while maintaining good batting averages at the domestic level. Let's not forget that Maqsood racked up good domestic performances before making the team, while Asif was selected on the basis of one good innings.
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You are right. Maqsood topped in national one day cup to earn a call up. Plus, he was scoring really well in FC as well.
 
Asif321 said:
dont give caps freely you should earn it nowadays its new trend in Pakistan . play 2 or 3 good games in domestic T20 and you get selected in T20 squad then eventually in ODI's this is not how you select players

Bilal Asif,Mukhtar Ahmed are some examples .
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We are doing it quite oftenly nowadays :(.
 
Kakar said:
And that quality is ultimately reflected by the stats. If you judge a player by one game and think that you are judging the player by 'watching' him, then you are wrong. If you want to judge by 'watching', then watch him for at least 10 games, so that you can know about him properly. If you judge by one game, then you might see Sachin on a bad day and consider him to be a terrible batsman or you might see Shakeel Ansar on the day he scored a hundred and consider a batsman with first class average of 13 to be Gilchrist. Bilal's knock was good, but if he was that good on a regular basis, then he wouldn't be averaging below 20 with strike rate of less than 60 after 20 List A games.
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Good post.

It is important to watch a player, as well as look at his record. When you watch a player, you must watch him for a good period of time. This Bilal Asif guy doesn't have the record to back him up, nor has he looked a good prospect when I've watched him. He looks like a slogger with the bat, and he got a lucky innings in the T20 tournament. He didn't really look that great with the ball either, but the pitch wasn't exactly the best for spin bowling. All in all, he didn't exactly catch my eye, and him opening really upset the balance of the team.
 
First our pace attack went missing, and now our spin bowling, our last saving grace, is also looking barren. Other than Yasir Shah we have no proper spinner. Zulfiqar is finished, Imad Wasim is good, largely untested vs a proper batting order though, and is a left armer when we are in dire need of an offie.

3-4 years ago we were brimming with offspinners when we had the Hafeez-Afridi-Ajmal trifecta and didn't need any, and now that we do, there are none to be found.

A lot of the blame has to go to the selectors quite honestly who decided it was wise to invest in a 37 year old Babar with a (at best) 2-3 year life span (which is exactly how long he lasted to be effective) 2 years ago. They could've invested in some young spinner instead with time on his side, like, oh I don't know, Bilal Asif?? He may or may not have been established by now, BUT AT LEAST we'd know where he'd stand, we'd know if he was good or not, and if he was the latter we'd put him to the side and try the next spinner in line. Right now he is a guy we are as clueless about as our opponents, and the England series is not the time to experiment.

Had he been tried out a year ago or so, it would give us a much better description of him as a bowler. One series vs Zimbabwe is not going to tell us anything about him.
 
After a meek debut, he has looked very good with the ball today. Looking forward to seeing him bat now.

Dropping a player after 1 match tells us nothing, regardless of how terrible the debut is.
 
Bowling well today. I have to admit, that awful shot he played really ****** me off, so I kind of wrote him off. In any case, he should not be opening the batting.
 
credit to him for his bowling but i see little long term benifit to this. If it works against England then its a stroke of genius but i reckon his batting is anwar ali level at best
 
Mamoon said:
After a meek debut, he has looked very good with the ball today. Looking forward to seeing him bat now.

Dropping a player after 1 match tells us nothing, regardless of how terrible the debut is.
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Sir, does he look test class spinner?

P.S. I havent watched a ball today
 
Still think he is a hack with the bat. Does not belong to the Top 7 in my view.

Will be happy to be proven wrong, but I doubt it.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
Sir, does he look test class spinner?

P.S. I havent watched a ball today
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I'd say that he looks like an ODI specialist, but he has earned a chance to make the Test squad now. Babar should and will play ahead of him, but if he continues his poor form, he will can be considered.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Obviously now everyone will say he is an awesome prospect.
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He has dished so many varieties and quantities of pies to almost every poster in this thread...that it is not even funny:steyn

This fascination with asking for head of a debutant after only watching him for a game or two needs to stop, right away!
 
Monsee said:
He has dished so many varieties and quantities of pies to almost every poster in this thread...that it is not even funny:steyn

This fascination with asking for head of a debutant after only watching him for a game or two needs to stop, right away!
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Desis don't have the patience. We don't even spare the established ones.

Ek game ke baad zero ya hero :yk
 
As for my own impression, I would say get him in in place of Hafeez as soon as possible...he cannot be that bad with the bat!

Since Hafeez seems to be out of form, not a very good player of real fast bowlers (England have couple in their team I would say) anyway, and cannot bowl either, Bilal has definitely placed one foot in the Test team's door!

I think he is a pretty decent spin bowler for sure, likes to flight the ball, bowls slow speed, has some turn and is tall as well...all ingredients suggesting he could be pretty decent on a turning pitch!
 
His action is not clean. Even with naked eye it looks illegal. Probably he is going to be called against Eng in Odis

Regards
 
pacesensation said:
His action is not clean. Even with naked eye it looks illegal. Probably he is going to be called against Eng in Odis

Regards
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I didn't watch him in the first match but few people had said this and I was expecting him to be Ajmal level chucking.

But I saw him today. He maybe chucking and if he is it is marginal which is the case with pretty much every active off spinner. Certainly not as bad as what people made it seem
 
Slog said:
I didn't watch him in the first match but few people had said this and I was expecting him to be Ajmal level chucking.

But I saw him today. He maybe chucking and if he is it is marginal which is the case with pretty much every active off spinner. Certainly not as bad as what people made it seem
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I hope i am wrong but what i have seen in previous months,
After Kane and Kaushal
he is definitely going to be called in england odi.s.
I get it, its not as bad as that of Saeed Ajmal's but to me it looks objectionable.

His release looks very bad. Have you noticed his release in highlights, when they are showing it in slowmo?

Regards
 
^^^If Harbhajan is not getting called for, with a javeline thrower of an action, I see no reason why Bilal should get called for chucking!

Pathetically though, Harbhajan will keep playing and every XYZ bowler from Pak, Lanka, BD, WI etc. will be called and suspended
 
Barragan said:
I would give him another game.

I think he has potential with the ball, but throw him down the order.
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Like I said, he has potential with the ball and I'm glad he was able to exhibit his skills with the ball.
 
BigBoy123 said:
His age is already 30 should be thrown out of Odi side

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what the hell are you talking about. Whether is Bilal is good enough or not is another matter but age 30 is still good enough for a spinner to start his career.
 
BigBoy123 said:
His age is already 30 should be thrown out of Odi side

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28-30 is not late for a spinner, at all. Saeed Ajmal made his debut at 30 too. If his form/fitness remains at top level, he literally has 10 years of cricket in him.
 
Not impressive with the bat (albeit the situation kinda demanded slogging). The first over on debut, a maiden. Whole day up ahead for him to show his magic with the ball.
 
Will be very surprised if he is not outbowled by Hafeez today
 
Haven't seen much of Hafeez after his action remodelling. Got quite a few wickets in the FC in the last few weeks didn't he.

Never seen Bilal Asif bowl before...
 
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