For US dwellers : How will your life change if Donald Trump becomes president?

[MenInG]

Like it or not - there is a possibility.

We have heard a lot of doomsday predictions but as a US resident, how will you feel when you wake up in a world where Trump is president? Would you consider leaving the states?

 

[Stronguess]

Just gained my citizenship after 19 years living in America, so this will be my first time voting. The thing is a lot of people say that they'll end up leaving the country, including my parents and family, but I'm calling it a bluff. People are just to consumed in their daily lives to care about what's goings on (actually doing something about it). On another note, does anyone think Trump will ever do as he says? I don't, becoming a president gives you power, but that power is in check by multiple branches of government.

Coincidentally, every Jummah for the past few weeks we talk about the elections for a brief 5 mins or so. They talk about how more than 1 million new Muslim voters are assigned to participate in this years elections. Literally what they're saying is no matter who we choose we don't know the outcome and how it affects us, muslims (which I believe is true, but we should make a educated vote nonetheless). And let say it's a negative affect through Trump. The simple message is that you have millions of muslims in America, so get united and go from there. At the same time if Trumps policies drastically change the lives of Muslim, then it'll be easier for Muslims to get united. If not it'll be harder, since people are prisoners of their own lives here.

Maybe I do move back and complete my studies back home (I plan on settling there inshAllah in the future), but for people in their 2nd generation onwards, I don't think they'll think that much into leaving the states. Just my 2 Cents.

 

[MenInG]

Just gained my citizenship after 19 years living in America, so this will be my first time voting. The thing is a lot of people say that they'll end up leaving the country, including my parents and family, but I'm calling it a bluff. People are just to consumed in their daily lives to care about what's goings on (actually doing something about it). On another note, does anyone think Trump will ever do as he says? I don't, becoming a president gives you power, but that power is in check by multiple branches of government.

Coincidentally, every Jummah for the past few weeks we talk about the elections for a brief 5 mins or so. They talk about how more than 1 million new Muslim voters are assigned to participate in this years elections. Literally what they're saying is no matter who we choose we don't know the outcome and how it affects us, muslims (which I believe is true, but we should make a educated vote nonetheless). And let say it's a negative affect through Trump. The simple message is that you have millions of muslims in America, so get united and go from there. At the same time if Trumps policies drastically change the lives of Muslim, then it'll be easier for Muslims to get united. If not it'll be harder, since people are prisoners of their own lives here.

Maybe I do move back and complete my studies back home (I plan on settling there inshAllah in the future), but for people in their 2nd generation onwards, I don't think they'll think that much into leaving the states. Just my 2 Cents.

think you are right about calling their bluff

No one will leave US unless kicked out.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Just gained my citizenship after 19 years living in America, so this will be my first time voting. The thing is a lot of people say that they'll end up leaving the country, including my parents and family, but I'm calling it a bluff. People are just to consumed in their daily lives to care about what's goings on (actually doing something about it). On another note, does anyone think Trump will ever do as he says? I don't, becoming a president gives you power, but that power is in check by multiple branches of government.

Coincidentally, every Jummah for the past few weeks we talk about the elections for a brief 5 mins or so. They talk about how more than 1 million new Muslim voters are assigned to participate in this years elections. Literally what they're saying is no matter who we choose we don't know the outcome and how it affects us, muslims (which I believe is true, but we should make a educated vote nonetheless). And let say it's a negative affect through Trump. The simple message is that you have millions of muslims in America, so get united and go from there. At the same time if Trumps policies drastically change the lives of Muslim, then it'll be easier for Muslims to get united. If not it'll be harder, since people are prisoners of their own lives here.

Maybe I do move back and complete my studies back home (I plan on settling there inshAllah in the future), but for people in their 2nd generation onwards, I don't think they'll think that much into leaving the states. Just my 2 Cents.

Even i have the same views. There is no way Trump will be able to do even half or 75% of the things he is saying he will do as President because this is USA, not Nazi Germany where we had one man rule.

 

[Slog]

1) The us has a very difficult process as far as following laws is concerned so trump won't get his way on ridiculous stuff if he proposes any

2) no Pakistanis or Muslims will be leaving the country exclusively because trump became president. The ones who leave would have been leaving anyway

 

[anuk]

1) The us has a very difficult process as far as following laws is concerned so trump won't get his way on ridiculous stuff if he proposes any

2) no Pakistanis or Muslims will be leaving the country exclusively because trump became president. The ones who leave would have been leaving anyway

i'm neither muslim nor american but i fail to see how trump would be worse for muslims than hillary has been.

over the last few day's we've heard about her reasons for the overthrow of gaddafi and donations received by her from saudi arabia and qatar. during her tenure we have seen a million plus muslims die. i can't see trump doing anything worse

 

[James]

Clinton has been directly complicit in the ruthless slaughter of many thousands of Muslims over an extended period of time, whereas Trump has likely never laid a finger on (or indeed groped...) a Muslim in his life. Make of that what you will.

Several months ago on Time Pass I said that choosing to be led either by Clinton or by Trump would be akin to choosing for a massive asteroid to hit Earth on either land or water, and my opinion hasn't changed.

Trump would probably be marginally less awful in the role.

 

[Pakistanian]

There isn't a possibility of him winning. He doesn't have the math on his side with 2016 numbers.

If he does win, I'm not worried. One, that would officially make PoC & Muslims victims of prejuidice and xenophobia so it helps our cause to fight white supremacy, so it would be good to squeeze out all the venom. IT'd stop white conservatives from whining all the time about "their country" being run over by mixed race brown Mexican feminist mooslim illegals. That said, trump can't do much. There are checks and balances in place in this country to stop him from doing anything radical, he doesn't even have his own party on his side so he'll have to compromise with congress. More importantly, in America the states have more power than the feds, so trump can't really enforce on all 50 states.

I don't fear trump at all, come what may.

 

[Pakistanian]

Clinton has been directly complicit in the ruthless slaughter of many thousands of Muslims over an extended period of time, whereas Trump has likely never laid a finger on (or indeed groped...) a Muslim in his life. Make of that what you will.

Several months ago on Time Pass I said that choosing to be led either by Clinton or by Trump would be akin to choosing for a massive asteroid to hit Earth on either land or water, and my opinion hasn't changed.

Trump would probably be marginally less awful in the role.

Trump won't be any different from bush, Clinton or reagen on foreign policy. Foreign policy is the one thing that remains constant in this country regardless of partisan differences. Trump would continue the same policy because he's not bigger than the deep state or American national interests. If anybody thinks he's going to be a stooge of Putin they don't realize that the Pentagon and CFR will never let that happen. So no, he's not gonna be better, not even by a margin.

 

[Slog]

Clinton has been directly complicit in the ruthless slaughter of many thousands of Muslims over an extended period of time, whereas Trump has likely never laid a finger on (or indeed groped...) a Muslim in his life. Make of that what you will.

Several months ago on Time Pass I said that choosing to be led either by Clinton or by Trump would be akin to choosing for a massive asteroid to hit Earth on either land or water, and my opinion hasn't changed.

Trump would probably be marginally less awful in the role.

I generally agree with the point that Hillary is too deep in the establishment and a certified hawk. But she does have a good sense of what she is doing regardless of whether it's good for a particular group or not

With trump the problem is that there is genuine feeling that he literally has no clue about the issues of the world and may inadvertently do something with huge consequence for the world. He clearly has little grasp of policy or the international stage

 

[Pakistanian]

i'm neither muslim nor american but i fail to see how trump would be worse for muslims than hillary has been.

over the last few day's we've heard about her reasons for the overthrow of gaddafi and donations received by her from saudi arabia and qatar. during her tenure we have seen a million plus muslims die. i can't see trump doing anything worse

He may not be worse for Muslims overseas but he will certainly be worse for American Muslims as there will be more survelliance and racial profiling of Muslims here, even if doesn't enact any anti Muslim policies, he'll still foster an enviorment of heightened resentment and fear of Muslims, more than it Is right now by just fearmongering, he'll make it more acceptable for the mainstream to be anti-Muslim and subsequently anti-brown just like what Modi has done with his hate-mongering.

 

[Rayyman]

Idk what the country will be like. The good thing about US government is that the the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches all have equal power. So Trump won't able to change much. Let's what happens if Trump is president. If it is bad, then I might leave.

 

[MenInG]

Do you think that racially driven crimes - esp against Muslims will go up if Trump becomes president?

 

[Pakistanian]

Do you think that racially driven crimes - esp against Muslims will go up if Trump becomes president?

Heck yeah. Good thing I live in an open carry state.

 

[troodon]

Nothing will change unless you live in redneck areas of the country.

 

[MenInG]

I think what will change is that all those things that normal folks would not say to you due to politeness will be said in the name of being not PC

 

[Pakistanian]

Nothing will change unless you live in redneck areas of the country.

The socalled rednecks areas are much friendlier than the hippy liberal areas.

 

[troodon]

The socalled rednecks areas are much friendlier than the hippy liberal areas.

Then in that case there will not be any change. Life will be normal.

I have lived in Texas for a few years and they are a bit more racist than say Florida or NY or Ohio or Cali. But then again, we do not interact with illiterate folk in US. Most Indians are qualified and work in corporate environments where educated folk work.

 

[Yossarian]

Whether Trump wins or loses now will not make much difference ...... because his rhetoric has already made a difference!

His rantings against Muslims have already shifted the goalposts, so much so that even the other Republican candidates were vying with each other in making their own Islamophobic utterances so as not to be left behind and being seen as 'unpatriotic'.

This in turn has opened the floodgates to those who were previously keeping their racism within closed doors, but are now emboldened to express it in public, and even act upon it when an opportunity permits.

Examples of this include Muslims being removed from flights due to a passenger or air steward/stewardess claiming they felt scared because a Musim passenger had 'looked at them in a strange manner', Muslims being refused from renting an apartment, Muslim children being verbally abused at school - by a teacher! ..... just to name a few.

Sure, such incidents did also occur previously, but not to the same extent.

So yes, the damage has already been done.

(Similar situation in the UK post Brexit)

 

[MenInG]

Whether Trump wins or loses now will not make much difference ...... because his rhetoric has already made a difference!

His rantings against Muslims have already shifted the goalposts, so much so that even the other Republican candidates were vying with each other in making their own Islamophobic utterances so as not to be left behind and being seen as 'unpatriotic'.

This in turn has opened the floodgates to those who were previously keeping their racism within closed doors, but are now emboldened to express it in public, and even act upon it when an opportunity permits.

Examples of this include Muslims being removed from flights due to a passenger or air steward/stewardess claiming they felt scared because a Musim passenger had 'looked at them in a strange manner', Muslims being refused from renting an apartment, Muslim children being verbally abused at school - by a teacher! ..... just to name a few.

Sure, such incidents did also occur previously, but not to the same extent.

So yes, the damage has already been done.

(Similar situation in the UK post Brexit)

Difference now may be that it gets official sanction?

 

[Yossarian]

Difference now may be that it gets official sanction?

It already has to some extent - there are reports of police and some judges being more lenient than previously towards those indulging in racial abuse.

 

[Markhor]

Clinton has been directly complicit in the ruthless slaughter of many thousands of Muslims over an extended period of time, whereas Trump has likely never laid a finger on (or indeed groped...) a Muslim in his life. Make of that what you will.

Several months ago on Time Pass I said that choosing to be led either by Clinton or by Trump would be akin to choosing for a massive asteroid to hit Earth on either land or water, and my opinion hasn't changed.

Trump would probably be marginally less awful in the role.

Come on [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION], its a lazy and cynical argument to dismiss all the facts, draw a false equivalence and say they're both the same.

Let me give one example of a vast difference between the two candidates that has global consequences - their stance on climate change. Trump describes climate change as a Chinese hoax. He would shut down the EPA, roll back all of Obama's executive actions, zero out all federal spending on clean energy research and tear up the Paris Climate Agreement.

An analysis from Lux Research suggests that Trump’s policies would leave CO2 emissions 16% higher after 8 years than Clinton’s. That will impact every community and every family in Asia, Africa and the Middle East who are already suffering from droughts, floods and increased extreme weather - so you can't tell me there's no difference.

As for having "no Muslim blood on his hands" - Trump SUPPORTED the Iraq and Libya Wars before U-turning for political convenience. He says Obama's bombing campaign has been INSUFFICENT and wants to reinstate torture.

 

[Markhor]

Idk what the country will be like. The good thing about US government is that the the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches all have equal power. So Trump won't able to change much. Let's what happens if Trump is president. If it is bad, then I might leave.

This is an argument that really needs debunking.

"He won't get to do any of the crazy things he promises"

Do you guys realise there's a good chance the Republicans, who've been hijacked by the far-right Tea Party loons in recent years, hold onto the Senate and House ? If there's a swing to Trump its likely he'd also control Congress.

Also there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court after Scalia's passing. There may be even more during the next 8 years. You don't think Trump would nominate a hard-right judge ?

BTW people also said this about George W Bush. That he's incompetent, he's an idiot, he won't do anything - how did that work out ?

 

[Pakistanian]

This is an argument that really needs debunking.

"He won't get to do any of the crazy things he promises"

Do you guys realise there's a good chance the Republicans, who've been hijacked by the far-right Tea Party loons in recent years, hold onto the Senate and House ? If there's a swing to Trump its likely he'd also control Congress.

Also there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court after Scalia's passing. There may be even more during the next 8 years. You don't think Trump would nominate a hard-right judge ?

BTW people also said this about George W Bush. That he's incompetent, he's an idiot, he won't do anything - how did that work out ?

Muslims voted in droves for Bushy.

 

[Tired]

Pakistani Muslim American here .... Supporting Trump .... Wont affect anything personally for me though as I live in the most liberal part of country where Trump would hardly get any votes ...

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

There isn't a possibility of him winning. He doesn't have the math on his side with 2016 numbers.

If he does win, I'm not worried. One, that would officially make PoC & Muslims victims of prejuidice and xenophobia so it helps our cause to fight white supremacy, so it would be good to squeeze out all the venom. IT'd stop white conservatives from whining all the time about "their country" being run over by mixed race brown Mexican feminist mooslim illegals. That said, trump can't do much. There are checks and balances in place in this country to stop him from doing anything radical, he doesn't even have his own party on his side so he'll have to compromise with congress. More importantly, in America the states have more power than the feds, so trump can't really enforce on all 50 states.

I don't fear trump at all, come what may.

People saying trump can't do nothing have no idea. If there is political will and public opinion behind him then he can pretty much get away with anything . Japanese camps, registration for immigrants from certain countries, segregation , separate but equal are all part of U.S history .Sometime 10 years from now the supreme court may call it illegal but it would have been too late till then . Add the red scare to the list of unconstitutional things that got done .

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

On the real though .. I would've voted trump if he was a Racist . We do need an outsider in Washington .

 

[anuk]

it's a moot discussion now anyways, looks like hillary has won nevada and florida

 

[Pakistanian]

it's a moot discussion now anyways, looks like hillary has won nevada and florida

There will be some big surprises come tuesday, some Red states will turn blue.

 

[Pakistanian]

People saying trump can't do nothing have no idea. If there is political will and public opinion behind him then he can pretty much get away with anything . Japanese camps, registration for immigrants from certain countries, segregation , separate but equal are all part of U.S history .Sometime 10 years from now the supreme court may call it illegal but it would have been too late till then . Add the red scare to the list of unconstitutional things that got done .

Dude look at the demographics, Trump doesn't have enough angry white men to do anything radical - this isn't the 1900s anymore.

 

[Bilal7]

Best case scenario is for Trump to lose by a landslide and for Hillary to be jailed. America will know that most of the country does not hold Trump's Islamophobic views and a democrat other than Hillary would take the seat.

Oh, Bernie. If only...

 

[Syed1]

Canada needs to build a wall ASAP

 

[Bilal7]

Canada needs to build a wall ASAP

Should be named "The North Wall".

 

[Pakistanian]

Canada needs to build a wall ASAP

More Canadians live here than Americans live up there.

 

[Pakistanian]

Should be named "The North Wall".

Yeah and give away 80% of Canada's economy.

 

[Syed1]

Yeah and give away 80% of Canada's economy.

*Finger on lips*

 

[Pakistanian]

*Finger on lips*


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Deep down, you know we don't need you as much you guys need us.

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[Itachi]

I think President role is overrated.

He'll still depend upon the bureaucrats.

The beurocrate can build or break a nation because they are the ones who'll influence the president/pm.

It's simple as, if I am the boss, I won't go to fields. So to make policies, I'll depend upon my sub ordinantes inputs.

If they provide wrong info, my policy will go distracted.

Ultimately I don't think there'll be any significant difference.

 

[Nostalgic]

*Finger on lips*


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Its hard to read, but it looks like Nevada's biggest partner is Switzerland. Must be all that dirty Vegas casino money going to Swiss bank accounts. And Wyoming trades most with Brazil, and Utah with the UK? These are two that I can't understand.

 

[Abdullah719]

So Trump all but confirmed as President-elect...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Do you think that racially driven crimes - esp against Muslims will go up if Trump becomes president?

Mig,

It's really not that bad as you think, I have lived in the US for a good period of my life and racism, discrimination had always been there and always will be. Best would be to mind your own business, keep your head down and go on with your life and you will be fine. However if you are like some of these UK Muslims like Anjem Chaudhary or anyone similar, you are in for HELL, Americans are not as tolerant as the British, they will whoop your butt............

 

[Varun]

BTW people also said this about George W Bush. That he's incompetent, he's an idiot, he won't do anything - how did that work out ?

Nobody said this.

 

[Pakistanian]

We're in the 1920s according to Ann Coulter

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1928 was last time Republicans had the White House, the House and the Senate.</p>— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/796220757571411968">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We've gone 90 years back.

 

[Markhor]

Nobody said this.

Yes they did in the 2000 election. Liberals were complacent then as they were now.

 

[Yossarian]

The electorate are getting thicker and thicker:
Brexit
President Trump
.... what next?

 

[Pakistanian]

Still shocked. Can't sleep.

 

[Robert]

This is an argument that really needs debunking.

"He won't get to do any of the crazy things he promises"

Do you guys realise there's a good chance the Republicans, who've been hijacked by the far-right Tea Party loons in recent years, hold onto the Senate and House ? If there's a swing to Trump its likely he'd also control Congress.

Also there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court after Scalia's passing. There may be even more during the next 8 years. You don't think Trump would nominate a hard-right judge ?

I think if you are BME, or LGBT, or want an abortion, you may be in for an unsympathetic four years.

 

[Markhor]

The electorate are getting thicker and thicker:
Brexit
President Trump
.... what next?

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] - as one of the more senior posters here I'm interested to read what your ideas are on this.

The fact is we progressives have not addressed white working-class grievances sufficiently. Too often politicians on the left dismissed legitimate fears about the rapidly changing demographics in communities and the stress immigration has put on public services. We saw nearly a third of Labour voters support Brexit. This is the "White-lash" Van Jones has talked about today.

We've been unable to mount an effective counter-narrative to the populist right - you see mainstream centre-left parties being decimated across Europe. Third Way, 90s-style centrists like Blair and Clinton (husband and wife) are finished.

Perhaps the populist left campaigns that Sanders, Corbyn, Syriza, Podemos and others have mounted is the way to go.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mig,

It's really not that bad as you think, I have lived in the US for a good period of my life and racism, discrimination had always been there and always will be. Best would be to mind your own business, keep your head down and go on with your life and you will be fine. However if you are like some of these UK Muslims like Anjem Chaudhary or anyone similar, you are in for HELL, Americans are not as tolerant as the British, they will whoop your butt............

I think that is just your inner Hindu hardliner talking, FYI Anjem Choudhery was invited to America to participate in a chat show with Sean Hannity, another raving lunatic, so it seems he fit in quite well there.

 

[Yossarian]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] - as one of the more senior posters here I'm interested to read what your ideas are on this.

The fact is we progressives have not addressed white working-class grievances sufficiently. Too often politicians on the left dismissed legitimate fears about the rapidly changing demographics in communities and the stress immigration has put on public services. We saw nearly a third of Labour voters support Brexit. This is the "White-lash" Van Jones has talked about today.

We've been unable to mount an effective counter-narrative to the populist right - you see mainstream centre-left parties being decimated across Europe. Third Way, 90s-style centrists like Blair and Clinton (husband and wife) are finished.

Perhaps the populist left campaigns that Sanders, Corbyn, Syriza, Podemos and others have mounted is the way to go.

My take on Brexit, Trump's election and all the points you mention, is that they are simply a case of the populace letting their true inner desires/wants/needs come out into the open and being expressed freely, ie namely looking after no. 1.

Since the war, a sort of "Emperors New Clothes" syndrome slowly started to set into the Western societies, perhaps as a reaction to the major conflicts of the 20th century and the desire to avoid more conflict by being "nicey nicey" to one's neighbours (ie being liberal)- both in the narrow sense of to the person next door as well as to the wider 'foreigner across the border.'

But with the relative peace of the last few decades, and the passing of the older generations who lived through those troubled times (which included the mental stresses of the Cold War), plus as you say the changing demographics, the natural desire desire to put no. 1 first, even if means it's at the expense of others, has started to come to the fore again. It was always there, but supressed and behind closed doors.

And just like in the Emperors New Clothes the child pointing out that there were no clothes, and everyone realising that they were not the only ones not seeing no clothes, the fear of admitting as such suddenly starts to dissipate, the electorate (as shown by Brexit and Trump's victory) suddenly feels that they don't need to be seen as being tolerant, as being liberal (or 'nicey nicey'), and that they will follow anyone who promises to restore their pride in themselves, who tells them that looking after no. 1 is okay and nothing to be ashamed of, and ok to express all that in public and the voting booth..

Just my two cents worth.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think if you are BME, or LGBT, or want an abortion, you may be in for an unsympathetic four years.

Yep. This is the voice of the silent majority who have been silenced by the liberals and become increasingly uncomfortable with minority causes demanding equal rights. There was a parallel article about a foster couple in the UK who are refusing to give their parents over to a gay couple.

 

[Yossarian]

Yep. This is the voice of the silent majority who have been silenced by the liberals and become increasingly uncomfortable with minority causes demanding equal rights. There was a parallel article about a foster couple in the UK who are refusing to give their parents over to a gay couple.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Typo - obviously should read child:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-adoption-children-need-mum-dad-a7403251.html

 

[speed]

Won't be surprised if the big banks intentionally screw up the economy over the next few years to make sure Trump is discarded come 2020, obviously he might just succumb to the real powers and be no different to obama, we will see what happens.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think that is just your inner Hindu hardliner talking, FYI Anjem Choudhery was invited to America to participate in a chat show with Sean Hannity, another raving lunatic, so it seems he fit in quite well there.

Hard line inner hindu talking ? Please explain my all humble, peace loving muslim brother..

 

[speed]

As for muslims they should migrate back to their motherlands, you can't force people to like you?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As for muslims they should migrate back to their motherlands, you can't force people to like you?

How do you define Muslim in this scenario? Aziz Ansari is a Muslim, albeit a lapsed one, you may get transvestite or atheist Muslims, just as you might get gay Hindus or wife beating Christians. The point being, many Muslims might fit better in America than they do in their motherlands.

 

[endymion248]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] - as one of the more senior posters here I'm interested to read what your ideas are on this.

The fact is we progressives have not addressed white working-class grievances sufficiently. Too often politicians on the left dismissed legitimate fears about the rapidly changing demographics in communities and the stress immigration has put on public services. We saw nearly a third of Labour voters support Brexit. This is the "White-lash" Van Jones has talked about today.

We've been unable to mount an effective counter-narrative to the populist right - you see mainstream centre-left parties being decimated across Europe. Third Way, 90s-style centrists like Blair and Clinton (husband and wife) are finished.

Perhaps the populist left campaigns that Sanders, Corbyn, Syriza, Podemos and others have mounted is the way to go.

Neither leftist populism nor conservative populism are the way to go. They can only do one thing: get votes based on feelings. They are two sides of the same coin, one uses economic conservatism while the other uses social conservatism. And then there is the new extreme-right breeds who use both. Once in power, they will inevitably fail, people will get disinterested in politics and we will be back to what is necessary for progress: economic and social liberalism.

 

[Robert]

Yep. This is the voice of the silent majority who have been silenced by the liberals and become increasingly uncomfortable with minority causes demanding equal rights. There was a parallel article about a foster couple in the UK who are refusing to give their parents over to a gay couple.

Mrs Robert said today that we thought we had got rid of discrimination - but all we did was sit on the xenophobes. Now Brexit and Trump have been vehicles for this darkness to come back to the surface.

 

[ShahKhan007]

Nothing will change. All the hysteria will settle down and Donald Trump will be an exceptional President. Obama was a disaster and 4 more years of more of the same would have brought the US to its knees. Anyone who is fearful is just been brainwashed by the dishonest establishment media who.

 

[Markhor]

Can I just say to the few pro-Trump Indians on here:

Look at the people celebrating this victory. David Duke, the KKK, Ann Coulter, Breitbart, Drudge Report. Do you think THESE guys will differentiate between ethnic minorities ?! Ann Coulter is someone who openly calls for the "de-browning of America" !

Don't think you're safe from the ire of the white racist.

 

[Markhor]

Nothing will change. All the hysteria will settle down and Donald Trump will be an exceptional President. Obama was a disaster and 4 more years of more of the same would have brought the US to its knees. Anyone who is fearful is just been brainwashed by the dishonest establishment media who.

Yeah the guy who went bankrupt six times, swindles his investors then BRAGS about it, is accused by a dozen women of sexual assault, hasn't paid a dime of federal taxes in 20 years and set up the total fraud that is Trump University will be an exceptional President. Sure.

The author of his own book Art of the Deal, calls him a sociopath. His lack of work ethic and disregard for detail has been documented by people who've worked with Trump. The guy might not even make it through a full term.

Log off Breitbart for a minute and do some actual research into the guy you're supporting.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can I just say to the few pro-Trump Indians on here:

Look at the people celebrating this victory. David Duke, the KKK, Ann Coulter, Breitbart, Drudge Report. Do you think THESE guys will differentiate between ethnic minorities ?! Ann Coulter is someone who openly calls for the "de-browning of America" !

Don't think you're safe from the ire of the white racist.

All those idiots are just representing the hillbilly rednecks of USA who pine for the America of half a century ago. America can't go backwards and shrink into itself without imploding. America has been about big business for the last few decades, I don't see how America is going to remain a superpower by turning back the clock.

 

[Varun]

How do you define Muslim in this scenario? Aziz Ansari is a Muslim, albeit a lapsed one, you may get transvestite or atheist Muslims, just as you might get gay Hindus or wife beating Christians. The point being, many Muslims might fit better in America than they do in their motherlands.

You're referring to the exceptions to the rule. I'm sure 80% of Muslims, if not more, would fit better in their motherlands than in the US and the UK from a cultural perspective.

Only economic reasons will stop them from leaving: higher salaries, free healthcare for the family, and the like.

 

[MenInG]

You're referring to the exceptions to the rule. I'm sure 80% of Muslims, if not more, would fit better in their motherlands than in the US and the UK from a cultural perspective.

Only economic reasons will stop them from leaving: higher salaries, free healthcare for the family, and the like.

Muslims will fit in where they feel safe or where ALLAH swt has written their rizq.

As a non-Muslim I dont expect you to understand that but do try and read up on the concept.

 

[Bilal7]

How do you define Muslim in this scenario? Aziz Ansari is a Muslim, albeit a lapsed one, you may get transvestite or atheist Muslims, just as you might get gay Hindus or wife beating Christians. The point being, many Muslims might fit better in America than they do in their motherlands.

Atheist Muslim? That is a pretty big contradiction. Of course, Muslim-Americans with the will should stay in their country and InshAllah, their will be no violence against them but the vulnerable ones are better off emigrating.

 

[Markhor]

You have consistently been proven wrong again and again on numerous issues and to no ones surprise you will once again be proven wrong by our next President. I tried to steer you to see the real picture months ago but you were still hanging on every word the media was feeding you. I understand you are not a Trump fan but the people have spoken and that's what matters at the end of it all.

Of course I accept democracy and its outcomes but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to voice an opinion on the verdict.

I'm not wrong that this man is a racist, sexual assaulter, bigot, incompetent and ignorant. Those things are on the record.

And it is because of that ignorance and incompetence he's exhibited in his career - namely Trump University, Trump Mortgages, Trump Airlines, Trump Casinos and many, many more examples - why he won't last long as President.

He's just lucky that he had a TERRIBLE opponent in Hillary Clinton to run against, was able to capture enough angry white voters, and votes from seemingly self-hating ethnic minorities like yourself who are startlingly willing to ignore this man and his supporters' vicious racism and xenophobia.

 

[anuk]

Can I just say to the few pro-Trump Indians on here:

Look at the people celebrating this victory. David Duke, the KKK, Ann Coulter, Breitbart, Drudge Report. Do you think THESE guys will differentiate between ethnic minorities ?! Ann Coulter is someone who openly calls for the "de-browning of America" !

Don't think you're safe from the ire of the white racist.

ur problem is that u think one side is all bad and the other side is all good. we know that hispanic gangs, radical muslims supported hillary and that makes the democrats all bad? clearly not. same applies for conservatives as well. learn to understand and respect that there are two sides to the same story and u would not be standing here embarrassed with egg on ur face today.

 

[Varun]

He's just lucky that he had a TERRIBLE opponent in Hillary Clinton to run against, was able to capture enough angry white voters, and votes from seemingly self-hating ethnic minorities like yourself who are startlingly willing to ignore this man and his supporters' vicious racism and xenophobia.

I thought you loved Hillary? Defended her at every turn and corner until this morning. 'TERRIBLE' opponent? What's changed?

 

[Syed1]

I was talking to a middle-aged Indian aunty who works at my company. She hails from Mumbai and has a thick Indian accent with English tenses all over the place and broken vocabulary.

She goes I was very happy that Trump won last night. I was like but why????

And what she said next left me completely dumbfounded and at a loss for words.

Her response was and I kid you not:


"Because these immigrants come in and take our jobs, Trump is going to stop that from happening"

 

[speed]

I was talking to a middle-aged Indian aunty who works at my company. She hails from Mumbai and has a thick Indian accent with English tenses all over the place and broken vocabulary.

She goes I was very happy that Trump won last night. I was like but why????

And what she said next left me completely dumbfounded and at a loss for words.

Her response was and I kid you not:


"Because these immigrants come in and take our jobs, Trump is going to stop that from happening"

Even if trump doesn't ban muslims from entering, the psychological impact is there now hopefully muslims will not migrate to the usa or at least those with a conscious wont.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You're referring to the exceptions to the rule. I'm sure 80% of Muslims, if not more, would fit better in their motherlands than in the US and the UK from a cultural perspective.

Only economic reasons will stop them from leaving: higher salaries, free healthcare for the family, and the like.

You could say exactly the same thing for Hindus I would imagine.

 

[Markhor]

ur problem is that u think one side is all bad and the other side is all good. we know that hispanic gangs, radical muslims supported hillary and that makes the democrats all bad? clearly not. same applies for conservatives as well. learn to understand and respect that there are two sides to the same story and u would not be standing here embarrassed with egg on ur face today.

Total mischaracterisation.

Go through any of my posts (which aren't hard to find given I've probably posted the most on this election) to see that I've said many, many times - I'm sick of DLC, corporatist Democrats like the Clintons who've failed to address working-class communities left behind by globalisation in favour of courting the professional, managerial, cocktail-circuit class and Wall Street.

So if a Trump voter wants to give a bloody nose to the Establishment ? I can accept that so you're unfairly representing my views there [MENTION=137535]anuk[/MENTION]. I don't think ALL Trump voters are racists, and they have legitimate economic grievances especially in the Rust Belt states like Michigan and Pittsburgh that've been hit hard by deindustrialisation.

Now this is my issue with Trump. Even you cannot deny Trump's campaign has played on racial resentment ! From Day 1, he smeared an entire community as rapists and criminals. He then lies about Muslims saying they were caught on tape celebrating 9/11 in places like New Jersey which was flat-out FALSE. He says Muslims aren't reporting terrorists enough as if ordinary Muslims going about their lives are collectively responsible for terrorism. He says he wants to reinstate torture and kill the family members of terrorists. He NEVER condemns the Islamophobic hate crimes that has soared, committed often by Trump supporters.

So please don't be surprised when you come on a predominately Muslim forum and get shocked there might be anti-Trump views on here ! He continually lied and slandered about members of my religion and I take that personally.

Trump PPers can get angry with me and they can rub this victory in my face, but I will NEVER stop opposing the politics of racial hatred, fearmongering and division. I've seen this story before and it doesn't end well. There's a lot of American Minorities who are in fear today and I wish people like you tried to empathise with them.

 

[Markhor]

I thought you loved Hillary? Defended her at every turn and corner until this morning. 'TERRIBLE' opponent? What's changed?

Yet more rubbish from you. I supported Sanders throughout the primaries - infact I even created two whole threads on this issue so please don't spread lies:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...eet-regulates-Congress-quot&highlight=Sanders

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...e-Sanders-and-Jeremy-Corbyn&highlight=Sanders

I only supported Clinton as she was up against the modern-day incarnation of George Wallace but NEVER denied she was a flawed candidate and criticised her ties to Corporate America, and her poor foreign policy track record. Here I outlined my criticisms of her in a lengthy post:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...16-U-S-Elections-Thread&p=8856210#post8856210

 

[AlphaFighter]

The only questions Muslims especially those living in the US will be concerned with

- Can Donald Trump carry out his pre-election promises to ban immigrants from Muslim countries?

- Can he force Muslims in the US to wear special ID's?

- Can he turn Modern USA into Nazi Germany for Muslims in the US?

- Will and Can he forcibly deport American Muslims back to their country of origin or put them in concentration camps?

My mind tells me that all of the above is just election rhetoric to appeal Bigots, racists and white supermacists and that America surely being a just democracy with a strong legal, judicial system and the American society at large with their humanity will not allow this to happen.

But the question is, is it still possible?

There is no point in being upset or depressed. Muslims at large were only routing for Hillary because she appeared to be the lesser of the 2 evils. I doubt whether she would have been friendly to Pakistan. Trump on the other hand has talked about the need for a stable and secure Pakistan.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Yossarian]

You could say exactly the same thing for Hindus I would imagine.

Trump supporting (Hindu) Indians fail to understand that Trump has opened the gates to racism, bigotry and discrimination such that it's not taboo any more to express these views in public, or to even act upon them.

And the average American Joe who's likely to express or act on these views will simply see someone as being Latino, black or brown, and wouldn't have a clue, and thus make a distinction, between a Muslim, Hindu, or any other Indian/Pakistani.

 

[Yossarian]

The only questions Muslims especially those living in the US will be concerned with

- Can Donald Trump carry out his pre-election promises to ban immigrants from Muslim countries?

- Can he force Muslims in the US to wear special ID's?

- Can he turn Modern USA into Nazi Germany for Muslims in the US?

- Will and Can he forcibly deport American Muslims back to their country of origin or put them in concentration camps?

My mind tells me that all of the above is just election rhetoric to appeal Bigots, racists and white supermacists and that America surely being a just democracy with a strong legal, judicial system and the American society at large with their humanity will not allow this to happen.

But the question is, is it still possible?

There is no point in being upset or depressed. Muslims at large were only routing for Hillary because she appeared to be the lesser of the 2 evils. I doubt whether she would have been friendly to Pakistan. Trump on the other hand has talked about the need for a stable and secure Pakistan.

Fingers crossed.

Whether it's possible or not, he's removed the taboo of Americans openly expressing (and perhaps even acting upon) racist views, bigotry and discrimination.

So Trump doesn't necessarily need to create new laws that will unfairly affect the lives of Muslims - he's already created the atmosphere such that those effects are going to occur anyway.

 

[Syed1]

Trump supporting (Hindu) Indians fail to understand that Trump has opened the gates to racism, bigotry and discrimination such that it's not taboo any more to express these views in public, or to even act upon them.

And the average American Joe who's likely to express or act on these views will simply see someone as being Latino, black or brown, and wouldn't have a clue, and thus make a distinction, between a Muslim, Hindu, or any other Indian/Pakistani.

Our Indian friends fail to realize this. A racist won't differentiate between a Muslim or a Hindu, for him brown is brown.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Whether it's possible or not, he's removed the taboo of Americans openly expressing (and perhaps even acting upon) racist views, bigotry and discrimination.

So Trump doesn't necessarily need to create new laws that will unfairly affect the lives of Muslims - he's already created the atmosphere such that those effects are going to occur anyway.

I think there's an argument to be made that those views and bigotry were already there under the surface following the Gulf wars and 9/11. That being the case it was probably time that those feelings were allowed to vent, and now those with those views will have their chance to show a better way with their man in charge.

 

[Thivagar]

I think that is just your inner Hindu hardliner talking, FYI Anjem Choudhery was invited to America to participate in a chat show with Sean Hannity, another raving lunatic, so it seems he fit in quite well there.

What does this has to do with him being Hindu ? It is pretty dumb to state that it is "not bad" and suggest to keep your head down low and tolerate whats coming to him but what does this has to do with Hindu?