France just made spanking your child illegal

[Pakistanian]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...g-your-kid-illegal/ar-BBxWag2?ocid=spartanntp

Parents throughout France now need to think twice before spanking children who misbehave, as it could land them in hot water with the law. According to a new law that was recently passed, parents will be required to spare the rod and turn to other measures of discipline — like positive reinforcement — instead.

On December 22, the French parliament successfully voted to enact the "Equality and Citizenship" bill, which places a country-wide ban on all forms of corporal punishment, including harmful physical treatment like caning, flogging, or, a more common form of punishment — spanking.

Child abuse was already illegal in the country, but this new law, which makes spanking a civil rather than criminal offense, was created to eradicate all forms of "degrading, cruel and humiliating" treatment of kids by their parents.

"Ending cruel, degrading or humiliating treatment is an indispensable component of a comprehensive national strategy for the prevention and elimination of violence against children. It lays the foundation for a culture of respect for children's rights; safeguards children's dignity and physical integrity; and encourages positive discipline and education of children through non-violent means," Marta Santos Pais, a special secretary representative of the United Nations who specializes in child protection, said in a statement supporting the new law.

Turns out, the French might be on to something. Studies have shown that spanking basically doesn't work: It can not only impair a child's IQ and their overall ability to learn, but it can also lead to low self esteem, aggressive behaviors and substance abuse and addiction problems in later years.

According to a June 2016 study that appeared in the Journal of Family Psychology, more than five decades of research revealed that children who were spanked were more likely to encounter mental health and cognitive difficulties and obstacles, become anti-social and introverted, and were more likely to defy their parents.

Reports have revealed that, since 1986, the practice of spanking children has decreased among women. However, parents across the U.S. say they still approve of spanking as a form of discipline. According to a 2016 TODAY.com survey of 3,500 people, parents are split equally down the middle, with 50 percent saying they approve of spanking.

So what are frustrated parents to do? Research shows that techniques like timeouts, reasoning and removal of privileges can be effective if done correctly.

Researchers agree that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to parenting. "What parents need to do depends upon the kind of non-compliance that the child is showing," said Robert Larzelere, a professor of human development and family science at Oklahoma State University.

 

[Black Zero]

More power to France.

Pushing liberal agenda forward.

 

[Mamoon]

Spanking is creepy. Western parents should pull and twist ears of their children Pakistani style, turning them into pakoras. Works like a charm. Much more effective than spanking.

 

[Pakistanian]

Spanking is creepy. Western parents should pull and twist ears of their children Pakistani style, turning them into pakoras. Works like a charm. Much more effective than spanking.

That's just as bad. I don't think you should hit kids, a stern voice is enough.

 

[troodon]

That's just as bad. I don't think you should hit kids, a stern voice is enough.

Kids get used to your stern voice. If you have a kid you will know that.

Every now and then, I have to slap my kid. I don't hit him hard, but its a small slap when words do not work.

 

[Pakistanian]

Kids get used to your stern voice. If you have a kid you will know that.

Every now and then, I have to slap my kid. I don't hit him hard, but its a small slap when words do not work.

Depends how deep your voice is. Slapping is unmanly imo.

 

[Syed1]

White kids haven't experienced the terror of the Bata chappal.

You had to act like Neo from Matrix to dodge the heat-seeking chappal aimed right at your face.

 

[Rayyman]

White kids haven't experienced the terror of the Bata chappal.

You had to act like Neo from Matrix to dodge the heat-seeking chappal aimed right at your face.

That's scary, but even more so is the dreaded cricket bat.

 

[troodon]

Depends how deep your voice is. Slapping is unmanly imo.

My Voice is pretty deep. People tease me that I have Amrish Puri kind of voice. Even that does not work.

Who cares slapping is unmanly. Its better than beating with a stick or belt. That is inhuman. Will never do that. A small slap usually works. If that does not work, I just walk away from there. Kids are precious.

 

[WC-Passion]

Never understood spanking, it's just a little bit weird.

White kids haven't experienced the terror of the Bata chappal.

You had to act like Neo from Matrix to dodge the heat-seeking chappal aimed right at your face.

This is very true, the worst white kids have probably had is a slap on the wrist with a ruler. )

 

[Yossarian]

White kids haven't experienced the terror of the Bata chappal. .

https://youtu.be/XOtLBeo1yXQ?t=6m27s

 

[The_KING]

That's right. Hitting kids is wrong and should have a worldwide ban. If you raise your kids up properly from the very start of their lives, you wouldn't ever need to hit as your kids will be well disciplined and mannered. Raising your voice should be more than enough. Hitting your kids is wrong.

 

[GenericBrand]

Great news for desi kids, not so great for desi parents

 

[yasir]

Kids get used to your stern voice. If you have a kid you will know that.

Every now and then, I have to slap my kid. I don't hit him hard, but its a small slap when words do not work.

Really? - I was not expecting that from you... I have three kids, never have to hit them, my father has never hit any of us, even though he was very short tempered person...Slapping or hitting kids or women(wife/sister etc) is considered buzdilly in our part of the world, considered very unmanly act...

You don't have to hit them physically, because impact of that lasts for few minutes, next time you have to hit hard, that's not the solution...I never get the purpose of slapping while fighting, it hardly hurts that's why in west when they have street fights, they want to hurt you with boxes and other things but never slap... In our culture slapping is used lot in fights maybe our focus is insulting other person rather than hurting....

Coming back to the point, if you block internet or their favorite game or console for 1 or 2 that works much more than slapping, because slapping last for few minutes, they loose their dignity only and nothing else... If they are blocked from Internet for 2/3 days(it could be anything that they like) they will think twice before doing that thing again...To me physically hurting them is undignified form of punishment, I want to treat them as adult as possible with their self respect intact. I am also not strict discipline kind of guy, after all we are human not robots to behave all the time...

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Really? - I was not expecting that from you... I have three kids, never have to hit them, my father has never hit any of us, even though he was very short tempered person...Slapping or hitting kids or women(wife/sister etc) is considered buzdilly in our part of the world, considered very unmanly act...

You don't have to hit them physically, because impact of that lasts for few minutes, next time you have to hit hard, that's not the solution...I never get the purpose of slapping while fighting, it hardly hurts that's why in west when they have street fights, they want to hurt you with boxes and other things but never slap... In our culture slapping is used lot in fights maybe our focus is insulting other person rather than hurting....

Coming back to the point, if you block internet or their favorite game or console for 1 or 2 that works much more than slapping, because slapping last for few minutes, they loose their dignity only and nothing else... If they are blocked from Internet for 2/3 days(it could be anything that they like) they will think twice before doing that thing again...To me physically hurting them is undignified form of punishment, I want to treat them as adult as possible with their self respect intact. I am also not strict discipline kind of guy, after all we are human not robots to behave all the time...

Relax bro.

Hitting kids (on a very moderate level) or slapping them is not evil.

For millenias, desi parents have brought up their kids that way and we all turned out fine (for most part).

Just cos the liberal world decided its wrong doesn't mean we have to feel shocked if some parents discipline their kids with some light hitting.

Personally I have rarely got hit but it has happened a few times.

There is a humiliation part attached to it which does work.

I think laws against beating kids is a good thing cos some parents can really hurt the kids. But that doesn't mean every parent who hit their kids is bad.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I have seen some psycho Tamil parents who gave burns to their kids for scoring low marks in exam.

They should be put in jail for that.

My friend got thrashed by a belt cos he scored 83 in Social Studies (he was rank 3 in class).

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

To be fair to my parents, I was a very difficult kid to handle so as a natural disciplining mechanism the Bata Chappal, belt, hangar, some odd furniture stick or anything that wouldn't kill me was used on a few occasions

I guess that decision of corporal punishment really made me a better MAN (even though I highly disagree with it) but even till today I thank my parents for the up bringing they game me - straightened me up like damn alright .

I was that kid who used to get into fights all the time (head busted, nose bleeding, cut marks on parts of the body etc), plus I have had proper spankings on Playing cricket (AT TIMES I EVEN SHOULDN'T BE THINKING OF IT ). Surprisingly never had any spanking on studies, i guess given my other shenanigans this would've been an absolute overkill )

I always maintain that there is a difference between spanking and beating; disciplining kids like me is hard as heck and a bit of spanking could always make them a better human being than what they are on course to become by themselves. How do I know this ?? I was one of those kids.

However, if your kid is a shareef bacha and doesn't get into trouble a lot then I firmly maintain that spanking on non-existent issues such as [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] pointed out can be counter productive and make the child a timid and introvert personality with a fear of expressing him or herself.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

White kids haven't experienced the terror of the Bata chappal.

You had to act like Neo from Matrix to dodge the heat-seeking chappal aimed right at your face.

Haha well said but I'm glad my mom was like that when I was a kid. Some of the kids these days are so spoiled just because their parents don't know how to parent. I'm not saying every parent should throw shoes at their kid but some strictness is required

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

To be fair to my parents, I was a very difficult kid to handle so as a natural disciplining mechanism the Bata Chappal, belt, hangar, some odd furniture stick or anything that wouldn't kill me was used on a few occasions

I guess that decision of corporal punishment really made me a better MAN (even though I highly disagree with it) but even till today I thank my parents for the up bringing they game me - straightened me up like damn alright .

I was that kid who used to get into fights all the time (head busted, nose bleeding, cut marks on parts of the body etc), plus I have had proper spankings on Playing cricket (AT TIMES I EVEN SHOULDN'T BE THINKING OF IT ). Surprisingly never had any spanking on studies, i guess given my other shenanigans this would've been an absolute overkill )

I always maintain that there is a difference between spanking and beating; disciplining kids like me is hard as heck and a bit of spanking could always make them a better human being than what they are on course to become by themselves. How do I know this ?? I was one of those kids.

However, if your kid is a shareef bacha and doesn't get into trouble a lot then I firmly maintain that spanking on non-existent issues such as [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] pointed out can be counter productive and make the child a timid and introvert personality with a fear of expressing him or herself.

When did I say that? Haha.....Not that I disagree.

Nor do I disagree with some light spanking.

 

[big_gamer007]

I'm glad I wasn't pampered as a kid by my parents... My dad never hit me but my mom used to hit me with whatever she can get her hands on especially her "Chappal"... I have seen my childhood friends being pampered from start and now I look at their life choices and dependency on others I feel being hit as a child for your mistakes was a good thing for me..

 

[Robert]

Mum hit me a few times when I was a kid. Dad hit me once. Never cheeked him again. Teachers (or 'Masters' at my school) used to rough us up too.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Dad never physically hurt me,mum though punished me(for being rude or cheeky with my relatives) with slaps.Nothing extreme,not even a chappal.A lot of white kids have it good.

 

[JaDed]

I believe in punishment over violence ,but as I'm growing up I'm realizing not all liberal concepts are great,at times children need to be punished physically although not spanking probably wooden scale on hands.

 

[Zak_Fan]

I grew up thinking kids getting hit by parents was normal, but now that I am older, I can't believe that my parents used to hit a 9 year old for stupid reasons like homework. I would never do this to my child.

 

[LongHorn]

I grew up thinking kids getting hit by parents was normal, but now that I am older, I can't believe that my parents used to hit a 9 year old for stupid reasons like homework. I would never do this to my child.

Things I have seen:
Not able to memorize a sura, slaps and getting ear pulled

Getting low marks; stand up on a chair and getting spanked with a steel ruler

It is one thing to beat a bit for antics/misbehavior/bullying, but attacking kids for not being a typical A+ student, having low memorizing power, or not having interest in studies is downright abuse
Often those who get abused, try to justify it by linking every good thing they ever did to getting physically abused, and believing every child who was not beaten turned out to be a loser