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French say cockpit fire likely caused 2016 EgyptAir crash, contradicting Egypt [Update Post #50]

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69 people on board.

Weather was clear

Wed 08:32:01 PM, last ping at 37000 ft. Something bad must've happened. May be flight broke apart mid air.

Disappeared from radar after entering Egyptian air space.
 
Wish them all well.

Sounds scary and like that Malaysian airline incident. Hope its not like that.
 
Hard to get a bomb on board in a European city. A missile attack from the ground?

Dear God, this is hellish.
 
May Allah swt have His mercy on the passengers
 
Robert said:
Hard to get a bomb on board in a European city. A missile attack from the ground?

Dear God, this is hellish.
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At this point, I am hoping it's just an accident and nothing nefarious as this

In 1999 an EgyptAir flight crashed into the Atlantic Ocean near the Massachusetts island of Nantucket, killing all 217 people on board.

US investigators found the co-pilot had switched off the autopilot and pointed the Boeing 676 downward. However, Egyptian officials did not accept it was a suicide, saying instead it was a mechanical issue.
 
I do believe that this is the end of tourism in Egypt

The Russian plane crash has already diverted Russian traffic away
 
Sad. :(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nearby vessels scrambling to help with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MS804?src=hash">#MS804</a> search. Our thoughts are with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EgyptAir?src=hash">#EgyptAir</a> passengers & families. <a href="https://t.co/FszbDT7rUK">pic.twitter.com/FszbDT7rUK</a></p>— MarineTraffic (@MarineTraffic) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarineTraffic/status/733188833806848000">May 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Robert said:
Hard to get a bomb on board in a European city. A missile attack from the ground?

Dear God, this is hellish.
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That far out in the Med, and at that height, if it's not a bomb or technical failure, only other possibility is a ground, sea or air based missile, and it could only have come from a state's armed forces.

According to the BBC, the area is of "high interest and closely monitored" by numerous militaries.
 
Yossarian said:
That far out in the Med, and at that height, if it's not a bomb or technical failure, only other possibility is a ground, sea or air based missile, and it could only have come from a state's armed forces.

According to the BBC, the area is of "high interest and closely monitored" by numerous militaries.
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Korean Air Lines Flight 007, Iran Air Flight 655 and Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 come to mind.
 
What about aliens?

Too many of these airplanes going missing. Where are they all going?
 
Airline denying the rumours of a crash. Really really hope they are right
 
aliasad1998 said:
Airline denying the rumours of a crash. Really really hope they are right
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There's no other possibility... It couldn't have made to the land and even if it did, where did it land... There wouldve been reports if it had landed anywhere on land.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
What about aliens?

Too many of these airplanes going missing. Where are they all going?
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IslamabadUnited said:
Very sad news. I hope everyone is safe. I wonder where these planes end up?
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Crashing .

The only mystery was MH370 which too had crashed deep in the ocean.

It's a tough job to track down missing planes that crashed in deep wide oceans.
 
These airplane crashes are becoming more and more frequent. :facepalm:


Inna lillahi wa inna illahi ra'jioon
 
RIP.
I won't be surprised if it crashed due to a technical problem.

EgyptAir's planes are known to be shoddily maintained. They have been warned by the EU several times.
 
IslamabadUnited said:
Could it have ended up in Area 51 USA? I heard there are aliens/ufo sightings there all the time.
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the flight was going from Paris to Cairo. How would it end up in the US? and the UFO sightings around Area 51 are believed to be US Air Force R&D, not actual aliens.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EgyptAir?src=hash">#EgyptAir</a> VP tells me “We have found the wreckage” of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FlightMS804?src=hash">#FlightMS804</a>. More to come.</p>— Christiane Amanpour (@camanpour) <a href="https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/733334224384692225">May 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Too many of these crashes are happening which is surprising given the technology we possess.
 
RIP, makes it even sadder there were babies on board:(
 
#GreenRoars said:
These incidents are regular now a days, still no one knows the exact reason.
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Watsupdoc said:
Too many of these crashes are happening which is surprising given the technology we possess.
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IslamabadUnited said:
Do you think that someone's behind these crashes?
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Its happening regularly as there has been a major increase in flight numbers and operation's all over the world.

From what i have heard this was the 5th flight of the day for this aircraft, which is probably an old aircraft itself, it seems heavy on them these days.
 
On British TV the news channels seem to be leaning towards a terrorist attack in the form of a bomb....
 
The violent maneuvers performed in the last moments of the flight suggests to me that the skipper was trying to avoid a SAM.
 
Robert said:
The violent maneuvers performed in the last moments of the flight suggests to me that the skipper was trying to avoid a SAM.
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At that height and that far out to sea, it has to be launched from a ship that also has sophisticated radar. Only a state, and very few states at that, can have such capability.
As a reminder:
Korean Air Lines Flight 007,
Iran Air Flight 655,
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
 
Robert said:
The violent maneuvers performed in the last moments of the flight suggests to me that the skipper was trying to avoid a SAM.
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Hope the 'right' and not the 'wrong' power finds the black boxes then. See post above as to who has the potential capability to fire a SAM to that height and that far out at sea.
 
Anyway three possibilities:

1. Pilot Suicide
2. Technical fault
3. Planted Bomb

Missile is distant possibility and that too very advanced one that could hit a plane at night (02:45 was the time of crash).
 
MSNBC reporting flight data shows...window sensor going off, then smoke in the lavatory, then some other window sensor going off...all within 3 mins and 7 mins before plane nosedived.
 
Yossarian said:
At that height and that far out to sea, it has to be launched from a ship that also has sophisticated radar. Only a state, and very few states at that, can have such capability.
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The Russians have a ground-launched SAM with 400 km range but I don't think any of those are deployed around the Med. So if the SAM hypothesis is correct that suggests a warship.
 
Robert said:
The Russians have a ground-launched SAM with 400 km range but I don't think any of those are deployed around the Med. So if the SAM hypothesis is correct that suggests a warship.
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Yep. And how many navies operating in those waters have such capabilities? 3? 4? 5? Hence my comment: hope the black boxes are not found by the 'wrong' country!
 
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Smoke was detected inside the cabin of the EgyptAir passenger plane before it crashed in the Mediterranean on Thursday, investigators have confirmed.

Smoke detectors went off in the toilet and the aircraft's electrics, minutes before the signal was lost, according to the Aviation Herald.

A spokesman for French investigators said it was too early to say what caused the accident.

Flight MS804 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people on board.

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The Aviation Herald said it had received flight data filed through the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) from three independent channels.

It said the system showed that at 02:26 local time on Thursday (00:26 GMT) smoke was detected in the Airbus A320 toilet.

A minute later - at 00:27 GMT - there was an avionics smoke alert.

The last ACARS message was at 00:29 GMT, the air industry website said, and the contact with the plane was lost four minutes later at 02;33 local time.

ACARS is used to routinely download flight data to the airline operating the aircraft.

Confirming the data, France's Bureau of Investigations and Analysis told AFP it was "far too soon to interpret and understand the cause of the accident as long as we have not found the wreckage or the flight data recorders".

Philip Baum, the editor of Aviation Security International Magazine, told the BBC that technical failure could not be ruled out.

"There was smoke reported in the aircraft lavatory, then smoke in the avionics bay, and over a period of three minutes the aircraft's systems shut down, so you know, that's starting to indicate that it probably wasn't a hijack, it probably wasn't a struggle in the cockpit, it's more likely a fire on board."

This data could be the biggest clue yet as to what happened. It suggests there was a fire at the front of the aircraft, on the right-hand side.

The sequence begins with a warning of an overheating window in the cockpit. Smoke is then detected in the lavatory (we assume it's the one behind the cockpit) and in a bay right underneath the cockpit, which is full of electronic equipment.

Finally, another window becomes too hot, before all the systems begin collapsing. All of this takes place over a few minutes, then the aircraft drops off the radar.

Some pilots have suggested that the 90 degree left turn the plane then made is a known manoeuvre to get out of the way in an emergency, when an aircraft needs to drop height suddenly.

The 360 degree turn after that, they say, could be the crew managing a crisis.

So it seems that the aircraft caught fire and that the fire spread very quickly. But whether that fire was deliberate or mechanical, we still can't say.

Security consultant Sally Leivesley said the timing on the data suggested an "extremely rapidly developing flame front from a fire that has overwhelmed the avionics very, very quickly".

She cited the case of "underpants bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who tried to set off an explosive device hidden in his underwear on a Detroit-bound flight in 2009.

Although the attempt failed, a fire from the device's chemicals still spread "right up the side of the plane".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36348699
 
The sequence begins with a warning of an overheating window in the cockpit. Smoke is then detected in the lavatory (we assume it's the one behind the cockpit) and in a bay right underneath the cockpit, which is full of electronic equipment.
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Aircraft manufacturers want to blame everybody except the design of the aircraft.
Airlines want to blame everybody except their own maintenance record.
Airports want to blame everybody except their own security.
And if all else fails, blame the pilots - especially if they're dead and under the sea. Because they're the only ones who can't try and shift the blame onto anyone else.
 
RIP. Seeing the images of distressed family members at the airport is awful. There were a couple of children as young as infants on board too. One person was attending their mother's funeral. Now their family have another one to deal with.

Trump already politicising this crash by tweeting it was terrorism.

Funny all these right wing hypocrites who say "don't politicise a tragedy" after an act of white terrorism (Robert Dear/Dylann Roof) or a mass shooting are now jumping up and down screaming terrorism despite the fact the investigation is still ongoing !
 
French say cockpit fire likely caused 2016 EgyptAir crash, contradicting Egypt

PARIS, July 7 (Reuters) - A Paris-Cairo EgyptAir flight crash that killed everyone on board in May 2016 was likely to have been caused by a cockpit fire, but Egyptian authorities have not appeared to follow up on calls for further probes, French investigators said.

The statement, by France’s BEA air accident investigation agency, contradicts an earlier assessment by Egyptian authorities who cited the discovery of trace elements of explosives on human remains, suggesting it was a malicious act.

The crash killed all 66 people on board, including 12 French nationals.

“The BEA considers that the most likely hypothesis is that a fire broke out in the cockpit while the aeroplane was flying at its cruise altitude and that the fire spread rapidly resulting in the loss of control of the aeroplane,” the statement said.

The BEA said Egyptian investigators had not published their final report and not followed up on its proposals for further work on the debris.

EgyptAir was not immediately available for comment. The case was handed to judicial authorities after the Egyptian assessment of the cause given in December 2016.

“The BEA considers that it is necessary to have this final report in order to have the possibility of understanding the cause of the accident and to provide the aviation community with the safety lessons which could prevent future accidents,” it said in the statement, adding that it was ready to resume work with Egyptian authorities, if they were to restart the probe.

It is extremely unusual that investigators from the country that is not leading the investigation would publicly comment on it. Any disagreement would usually be expressed confidentially and public comments could be a sign of serious divergences.

France and Egypt have in the past disagreed over how crash investigations are handled. (Reporting by Ingrid Melander Additional reporting by Tim Hepher and Eric Knecht; Editing by Alison Williams)

https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1U304J
 
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