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From Zero to Hero, Adil Rashid

He got drift and spin today but all dismissals were self-inflicted. He was made to look like Yasir Shah when he struggles in County cricket as well.

What an absolute disgrace.
 
Abdullah719 said:
All the batsmen are to blame. A leggie is a leggie, this tail was never going to hold up.
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Mamoon said:
He got drift and spin today but all dismissals were self-inflicted. He was made to look like Yasir Shah when he struggles in County cricket as well.

What an absolute disgrace.
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Agree and we have a habit of making mediocre bowlers look like greats
 
This is all mamoons fault, He has trolled the bhais too much, now they're taking their revenge
 
We need to be careful against him in next match or else we will throw wickets against him in bulk like we did against Imran Tahir (who is a mediocre bowler in Tests but amazing in LOIs)
 
We played him so well and that 5-wicket haul doesn't tell the whole story either.

The tail were clueless, but the batsmen were playing him with ease.
 
Actually he bowled really well, every time I have seen him he has almost always bowled full tosses and half trackers however I can't remember any in second innings.

Younis played a horrendous shot and he was just too good for tail.

Anyway looking forward to next game with Yasir coming back in.
 
Hitting a leggie on day five is never advisable.

Younus wicket was a gift, rest were rewards for sticking to good lines (something he failed to do in first innings)
 
back to zero i guess :yk now averaging around 60 with 5 wickets in 1 innings and 2 wickets in the other 3 innings
 
He should open for England in next match instead of Moeen. There is a huge chance England found a Steve Smith :yk
 
Pressure told. Drive wasn't on considering packed off-side field.

But an incredible innings. Hard luck lad.
 
From zero to hero to zero again. :misbah

But all jokes aside, he batted extremely well and deserves a lot of credit.
 
From Zero to Hero to Zero, confusion that is Adil Rashid

So will he get dropped in the next match? does he always do enough to retain his spot? Is he a batting or bowling all-rounder?

Can we please get an academic review of his abilities and the likelyhood of his career being a good or a bad one?
 
That shot was mental but that doesn't change the fact that Rashid played what must be one of the most heroic innings we'll see this year. It was a fantastic knock.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
When will Mason Crane replace him ?

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His name was mentioned by Bayliss in an interview the other day and he's been selected in one of the squads for the England South V North ome day series in the UAE. Given he didn't really do anything in the one day cup this year (he tends to be the 2nd spinner after Dawson in limited overs) it suggests they're looking at starting to fast track him a bit.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
When will Mason Crane replace him ?

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Might not be ever - first, his batting average is in single digit, so he might not get even a County side before he improves that to at least 20 level. Also, cricket is a relative game - in this clip, he is probably bowling to a County side, I'll wait till he bowls to batsmen in Bombay or Delhi club cricket. I can safely say that Dadar Union or Shivaji Park won't lose 10 wickets in 2 sessions on that wicket to Jaddu; hence wait a bit. The last one I had similar feeling (in terms of spin bowling capacity) was Jafar Ansari - he won't make the better club teams in Mumbai League as SLAO spinner. ...............
 
HitWicket said:
His name was mentioned by Bayliss in an interview the other day and he's been selected in one of the squads for the England South V North ome day series in the UAE. Given he didn't really do anything in the one day cup this year (he tends to be the 2nd spinner after Dawson in limited overs) it suggests they're looking at starting to fast track him a bit.
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He has got alot of potential. Needs to be groomed and developed in the best of manner.


I do not remember the name of an Under 19 Offspinner. It was probably Taylor or someone else. Saw his videos and he looks quite good. I guess he is 5'10 plus and has a good action. Could be longterm Swann replacement.


I am sure given the excellent system ECB has both of them will be in radar. (Benefit of quality structure & HR)
 
MMHS said:
Might not be ever - first, his batting average is in single digit, so he might not get even a County side before he improves that to at least 20 level. Also, cricket is a relative game - in this clip, he is probably bowling to a County side, I'll wait till he bowls to batsmen in Bombay or Delhi club cricket. I can safely say that Dadar Union or Shivaji Park won't lose 10 wickets in 2 sessions on that wicket to Jaddu; hence wait a bit. The last one I had similar feeling (in terms of spin bowling capacity) was Jafar Ansari - he won't make the better club teams in Mumbai League as SLAO spinner. ...............
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I don't rate Zafar much. Crane has decent control and gets good amount og turn on all surfaces. I like the initial look. He has dismissed Jayawardene & Sangakara so a good start. Leggies need time.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
He has got alot of potential. Needs to be groomed and developed in the best of manner.


I do not remember the name of an Under 19 Offspinner. It was probably Taylor or someone else. Saw his videos and he looks quite good. I guess he is 5'10 plus and has a good action. Could be longterm Swann replacement.


I am sure given the excellent system ECB has both of them will be in radar. (Benefit of quality structure & HR)
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Brad Taylor, he's a bit of a bowling all rounder as well. Also happens to play for the same county team as Crane and Dawson, he played a few limited overs games ahead of Crane occasionally this season.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I don't rate Zafar much. Crane has decent control and gets good amount og turn on all surfaces. I like the initial look. He has dismissed Jayawardene & Sangakara so a good start. Leggies need time.
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That was exactly my point - will he get the time? He can't learn the art of spin by bowling 4 hours in nets. He has to play in match condition & bowl 35-38 overs innings. It doesn't prove anything is he has got Sanga or Mahela out when they were in a rush - in 1994, Lara scored about 5000 runs in all cricket & he was out for a Duck in an exhibition match against AUS women Captain.

What he needs is to get batsmen out, when they are trying to survive & that can only happen in FC matches where he'll bowl with catching field & a target at hand - in current context, Counties won't pick a spinner to bowl 15-18 overs/match & doesn't average 35 with bat .....
 
MMHS said:
What he needs is to get batsmen out, when they are trying to survive & that can only happen in FC matches where he'll bowl with catching field & a target at hand - in current context, Counties won't pick a spinner to bowl 15-18 overs/match & doesn't average 35 with bat .....
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Except he got picked in 13 of Hampshire's 16 championship games this season and that too at an age when most players would be trying to just about solidify a place in the 2nd XI.
 
MMHS said:
Might not be ever - first, his batting average is in single digit, so he might not get even a County side before he improves that to at least 20 level. Also, cricket is a relative game - in this clip, he is probably bowling to a County side, I'll wait till he bowls to batsmen in Bombay or Delhi club cricket. I can safely say that Dadar Union or Shivaji Park won't lose 10 wickets in 2 sessions on that wicket to Jaddu; hence wait a bit. The last one I had similar feeling (in terms of spin bowling capacity) was Jafar Ansari - he won't make the better club teams in Mumbai League as SLAO spinner. ...............
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Besides, why on gods green earth would england drop a spinner whom they've been grooming for years and has only played like two test series which were actually pretty decent given the level of international experience. It's not easy to find quality spinners in England it takes years to find a talent that has potential to be consistent to some level, there are quiet a few cranes around the circuit but they're too green and Rashid will be remain on the throne given the investment which has been made and potential he has displayed, I expect him to get better with more exposure and experience but he needs to be handled correctly as well
 
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HitWicket said:
Except he got picked in 13 of Hampshire's 16 championship games this season and that too at an age when most players would be trying to just about solidify a place in the 2nd XI.
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May be this is exception, but I am talking in general. It might happen, Hampshire didn't have another "Spin all-rounder" to play in team. There is heavy penalty for slow over-rate in County, therefore often spinners are picked to manage over rates. The bottom line is that, the Culture in County is not to pick spinners on bowling merit & unless this changes, his 13 match season easily can come down to 3 matches when there'll be an overseas pick or an spin "all-rounder" is found.
 
shaz619 said:
Besides, why on gods green earth would england drop a spinner whom they've been grooming for years and has only played like two test series which were actually pretty decent given the level of international experience. It's not easy to find quality spinners in England it takes years to find a talent that has potential to be consistent to some level, there are quiet a few cranes around the circuit but they're too green and Rashid will be remain on the throne given the investment which has been made and potential he has displayed, I expect him to get better with more exposure and experience but he needs to be handled correctly as well
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There is a 10 years age gap between the two, hence the transition could be perfect - this guy should be ready by the time Adil reaches his retirement age. The main issue is grooming a spinner, as a spinner - there will be difficult time for a leggi, in matches, in months even an entire season. It's extremely important that he doesn't misses out in those difficult times; his degree of difficulty is much higher for his batting skills. Imagine the situation of Monty - for a spinner of his class is struggling to continue career in FC cricket. In these cases, what almost every English potential spinner has done is, they have turned into economical darter, who bowls an over in 2.5 minutes max. & improve their batting skills, so that they are in touching distance always.

The biggest challenge for Crane is to resist the temptation of becoming an "all-rounder" & remain as specialist leggi. Every English posters here argues with me that Moeen & Adil are the best 2 spinners in ENG & to their credit, they happen to be good with bat - but none thinks why it has come to this level - Tufnell would have gone to the same route of Panesar for his batting & Swan might have lost to Moeen had he been around now.
 
MMHS said:
There is a 10 years age gap between the two, hence the transition could be perfect - this guy should be ready by the time Adil reaches his retirement age. The main issue is grooming a spinner, as a spinner - there will be difficult time for a leggi, in matches, in months even an entire season. It's extremely important that he doesn't misses out in those difficult times; his degree of difficulty is much higher for his batting skills. Imagine the situation of Monty - for a spinner of his class is struggling to continue career in FC cricket. In these cases, what almost every English potential spinner has done is, they have turned into economical darter, who bowls an over in 2.5 minutes max. & improve their batting skills, so that they are in touching distance always.

The biggest challenge for Crane is to resist the temptation of becoming an "all-rounder" & remain as specialist leggi. Every English posters here argues with me that Moeen & Adil are the best 2 spinners in ENG & to their credit, they happen to be good with bat - but none thinks why it has come to this level - Tufnell would have gone to the same route of Panesar for his batting & Swan might have lost to Moeen had he been around now.
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Agree with that, the other thing which has hindered lack of spin options are the quality of the pitches in England over the years but with the new drainage system and the toss being eliminated wickets tend to favour spin a lot more and it is a art which is encouraged; moving forward it's a forward thinking move which will not only help England groom decent spinners but also play spin better as well. Monty just lost the plot once his wife divorced him he's not been there mentally in fact he is mentally ill, there are some things which consume you as far as your skill is concerned and you're never quiet the same again; otherwise I doubt Rashid would be playing for England. Monty's biggest negative though is lack of awareness on the pitch with regards to field placings he usually needs quiet a bit of help to do that
 
MMHS said:
May be this is exception, but I am talking in general. It might happen, Hampshire didn't have another "Spin all-rounder" to play in team. There is heavy penalty for slow over-rate in County, therefore often spinners are picked to manage over rates. The bottom line is that, the Culture in County is not to pick spinners on bowling merit & unless this changes, his 13 match season easily can come down to 3 matches when there'll be an overseas pick or an spin "all-rounder" is found.
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Liam Dawson plays for Hampshire...
 
And in addition to that have a specialist batsman signed as their overseas player for the next 3 years.
 
He won't be threatening as Yasir as she doesn't flight the ball much or impart ton of topspin. Too much side spin and not enough top spin in his stock delivery. I also feel that he is kind of not bright enough. I wonder if there are enough wrist spin coaches working with him.
 
Thivagar said:
He won't be threatening as Yasir as she doesn't flight the ball much or impart ton of topspin. Too much side spin and not enough top spin in his stock delivery. I also feel that he is kind of not bright enough. I wonder if there are enough wrist spin coaches working with him.
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That's a lot of judgement to make on an 18 year old after watching 7 balls of a one day match.
 
Thivagar said:
He won't be threatening as Yasir as she doesn't flight the ball much or impart ton of topspin. Too much side spin and not enough top spin in his stock delivery. I also feel that he is kind of not bright enough. I wonder if there are enough wrist spin coaches working with him.
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Having followed him since the Yorkshire days, I can say that he's not dopey like Monty was and he can flight the ball; Yasir has the chance to become Pakistans greatest spinner so a comparison to him is a bit unfair. Very rare to find leggies who set the world on fire from the word go, the expectations on Adil have risen due to Yasir but we got to look at him in a different light in that he should be handled like a leg spinner, given the correct support and expect returns on the investment after a period of time when he'll get better with more experience at the Test Level. I don't believe we've scratched the surface with Adil and skills developed at the county level take a while to implement at the international level, other then that his stats for a spinner by county standards for Yorkshire were brilliant given the nature of pitches he has had to deal with took a long while to be consistent with his control. I see him as a talent who will be solid down the line with a couple of big series in between, thus far given his experience levels I believe his numbers are great but he could be utilized better by his captain
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
When will Mason Crane replace him ?

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England probably thought that if they stack up their lineup with batsmen till #11, scoreboard pressure will do the trick, they couldn't have been proven wrong in a more emphatical manner.

They should know now that you need actual spinners and not just half baked ones like Rashid/Moeen to pick wickets in Asia.
 
Thivagar said:
He won't be threatening as Yasir as she doesn't flight the ball much or impart ton of topspin. Too much side spin and not enough top spin in his stock delivery. I also feel that he is kind of not bright enough. I wonder if there are enough wrist spin coaches working with him.
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Oops, fair enough.
 
He is an all-rounder in the longest format, but England use him as a bowler. In ODIs an T20s though, he is one of the best spinners in the world.
 
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