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Gary Kasparov versus Magnus Carlsen

Kasparov was rated at 2812 at the start of the event, his last official classical rating when he retired, absurd since he was playing blitz in Croatia. No idea how they arrived at that number. Someone told me his rapid and blitz starting ratings had been frozen at 2812 by FIDE since we only had classical ELO in 2005.

A real joke, was playing like a sub-2600 GM, even worse tbh. By the end of the event his rating fell to mid 2600s, probably the largest drop in ELO in a single event. I remember Caruana once fell out of top 100 in a single tournament but even he didn't lose 150 points.
 
Hey [MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION] check it out: 16 years old Iranian prodigy Alireza Firouzja beating the champion!

Remember the name!

Firouzja is playing under French flag in the Chess World Cup in Sochi. The kid fell foul of Iranian regime when he bypassed their ban on playing Israelis. Many other promising Iranian players are also leaving their country, a real pity because Iran was poised to become another chess power. Huge catch for France who already have MVL, expecting them to fight for podium finish in the next Olympiad. USA too was looking to poach him, rare failure since even Aronian has switched to USA from Armenia.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">18-year-old Alireza Firouzja is now officially the French no. 1! After recently being granted citizenship, his FIDE profile now shows that he plays for France: <a href="https://t.co/4DMXJ1QHdH">https://t.co/4DMXJ1QHdH</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/c24live?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#c24live</a> <a href="https://t.co/MpkTFMeS5r">pic.twitter.com/MpkTFMeS5r</a></p>— chess24.com (@chess24com) <a href="https://twitter.com/chess24com/status/1413810572160913409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vive la France! Firouzja latest chess star to be given a Gallic welcome <a href="https://t.co/nwwRu2HHJC">https://t.co/nwwRu2HHJC</a></p>— The Washington Times (@WashTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/1414948980744728587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Kasparov was rated at 2812 at the start of the event, his last official classical rating when he retired, absurd since he was playing blitz in Croatia. No idea how they arrived at that number. Someone told me his rapid and blitz starting ratings had been frozen at 2812 by FIDE since we only had classical ELO in 2005.

A real joke, was playing like a sub-2600 GM, even worse tbh. By the end of the event his rating fell to mid 2600s, probably the largest drop in ELO in a single event. I remember Caruana once fell out of top 100 in a single tournament but even he didn't lose 150 points.

Apologies, but I am not sure what point are you trying to make here..... that he didn’t play like his 2800 rating would suggest?

But if his rating was indeed frozen then what’s the surprise?
What else should we expect from him with his aging brain?

Heck, he lost to Mamedharov in 7 moves, but does he really need to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE ??
 
Apologies, but I am not sure what point are you trying to make here..... that he didn’t play like his 2800 rating would suggest?

But if his rating was indeed frozen then what’s the surprise?

He operated like a 2500 player.

I think FIDE needs to re-evaluate these freezing rules for non-active players. If you are not active for x number of years and then want make a comeback, keep the title but you must start over again from a much lower rating (say 2400 for GMs, 2300 for IMs) rather than having an inflated rating. His opponents got such a boost by beating him in Zagreb, not deserved. Beating an actual 2800+ is much tougher than beating this version of Kasparov.

Another issue is there are some designated tournaments especially in Europe to help out players get GM norms. Often semi-retired inactive players show up for some lump sum of cash (appearance fee), take their beatings and help the players get their norms. Very easy to abuse this system.

What else should we expect from him with his aging brain?

Heck, he lost to Mamedharov in 7 moves, but does he really need to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE ??

He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone but why make a fool out of yourself before an audience that has only heard stories about your heroics but never seen you live in action? Also why take Saric's spot, a player who did well in rapid and could have earned some cash in the blitz. Kasparov gained nothing, but he took the spot of a more deserving player for whom this event could have been a highlight in his career.

He resigned against Shak after 7 moves but could have played on. Blundered in the opening, rage quit, happens when you are mad at yourself. Have seen players resign even in winning positions because they weren't happy with their play, or because they kept on spoiling better positions. Why did a legend like Kasparov have to go through this trauma? Was like retired Bjorn Borg turning up with wooden racquets in the 90s only to get crushed by journeymen.
 
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He operated like a 2500 player.

I think FIDE needs to re-evaluate these freezing rules for non-active players. If you are not active for x number of years and then want make a comeback, keep the title but you must start over again from a much lower rating (say 2400 for GMs, 2300 for IMs) rather than having an inflated rating. His opponents got such a boost by beating him in Zagreb, not deserved. Beating an actual 2800+ is much tougher than beating this version of Kasparov.

Another issue is there are some designated tournaments especially in Europe to help out players get GM norms. Often semi-retired inactive players show up for some lump sum of cash (appearance fee), take their beatings and help the players get their norms. Very easy to abuse this system.

Thanks for explaining your point and I agree mostly.
However, I am not what was the lowest ranking player who got some sorta astronomical boost by beating Gary in the tournament. Usually the participants do not have 100’s and 100’s worth of points difference. However, theoretically you may be correct. It’s possible.


He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone but why make a fool out of yourself before an audience that has only heard stories about your heroics but never seen you live in action? Also why take Saric's spot, a player who did well in rapid and could have earned some cash in the blitz. Kasparov gained nothing, but he took the spot of a more deserving player for whom this event could have been a highlight in his career.

He resigned against Shak after 7 moves but could have played on. Blundered in the opening, rage quit, happens when you are mad at yourself. Have seen players resign even in winning positions because they weren't happy with their play, or because they kept on spoiling better positions. Why did a legend like Kasparov have to go through this trauma? Was like retired Bjorn Borg turning up with wooden racquets in the 90s only to get crushed by journeymen.

This piece however sounds a bit rudimentary.
IMO, chess is one of those sports where when you get into it, it gets into you. It’s an addiction that’s very, very hard to turn off in your brain. The urge doesn’t easily die.
Look at Ivanchuk - 30 years on, and he still can’t hang his shoes.
Even Karpov plays once in a while but I think you and I, don’t have any right to make a decision for any player as to when he should or should not play. We can certainly opine but that isn’t worth anything.

But your second part was even funnier.

Chess players make mistakes and many at times they may not see a move that the viewers see, and then obviously if one player doesn’t make a mistake the other can’t win but lol haha ....
Are you going to tell “Gary Kasparov” as how to play chess and when should he resign and when he continue? Seriously, what’s your position?

It’s sorta crude but there is a saying in Punjabi (that people say by showing their forearm) which if loosely translated into English would turn out something like this ,
“You are gonna teach a donkey how to make love?”
 
2 major developments since my last post:

1. Firouzja breaches 2800 in classical (youngest ever) and also becomes official citizen of France. Led the French team in the recent European Team Championship which was won by Ukraine.

2. Carlsen vs Nepo WCC begins in Dubai. 1-1 after first 2 games, both draws. Carlsen aiming to win his 5th crown thus joining Botvinnik and Anand who have 5 each. Kasparov and Karpov lead with 6 each, though it must be remembered that the title was split from 1993 to 2006 where we had classical WCC and FIDE WCC.
 
Great to see some OTB action. Online chess got boring after initial novelty factor, finally we see chess being played the way it was meant to be.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Magnus Carlsen wins Game 11 and the match, retaining his title.<br>⠀<br>Capitalizing on Ian Nepomniachtchi's blunder on move 23, the World Champion scored his fourth win in the match at <a href="https://twitter.com/expo2020dubai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@expo2020dubai</a>. The final score is 7½-3½.<br>⠀<a href="https://t.co/cmW9hMdEqY">https://t.co/cmW9hMdEqY</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CarlsenNepo?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CarlsenNepo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FIDEmatch2021?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FIDEmatch2021</a> <a href="https://t.co/CnFdYcyVXT">pic.twitter.com/CnFdYcyVXT</a></p>— International Chess Federation (@FIDE_chess) <a href="https://twitter.com/FIDE_chess/status/1469334506234691584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Carlsen crushes the Russian Nepo 7.5-3.5, his fifth world title. Congrats.

Disappointing match especially after the first 6 games which were tightly contested. Nepo played well below his ability, not like the losses were well fought, just collapsed in innocuous positions with one move blunders. Carlsen too played his best match since 2014 IMO, clinical conversion and smart opening choices. Tame end, Nepo had 4-1 H2H lead over the Norwegian before the match started, now 5-4 Carlsen.

Hope Ding/Caruana/So face him in 2023, and if they can't end his streak all up to Firouzja and co. Don't see Giri, MVL, Grischuk, Aronian, Shakh giving much of a fight. Not sure what to make of Duda, Rapport now. Anyway qualifying to candidates is bloody hard, winning it much harder. Should take place next year summer after the Grand Prix series is over.
 
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[MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION] any new changes in the Chess world??
 
Chess.com is set to take over the Play Magnus Group in an $82m merger between major chess organisations that will leave the US-backed chess.com as the dominant force in online events. PMG, which went public on the Oslo market in 2020, began with a flourish as a growth stock, but its revenues failed to grow at the hoped for rate, and its share price has halved from its peak.

It appears that PMG’s business model of providing high class commentaries for top tournaments on its chess24 website brought in too few subscribers, even though the world champion, Magnus Carlsen, was and still is a regular participant. PMG’s chessable learning site is its most successful area, whereas the chess24 playing zone has attracted far smaller numbers than chess.com or lichess.

In contrast, chess.com has always been primarily geared towards providing a competitive playing arena for the hundreds of thousands who flocked to online chess during lockdown. Its viewing events have a successful formula of a mix of 5/1 and 3/1 blitz and 1/1 bullet, using a knockout format rather than the all-play-all of chess24’s Meltwater Champions Tour.

Chess.com also provides a platform for chess streamers, of whom the most famous is Hikaru Nakamura with more than a million followers. Women are underrepresented in chess generally but far less so in streaming, where around 25% are female. The most popular is Anna Cramling, daughter of Pia Cramling who last month won her third Olympiad gold medal. Chess.com’s news coverage is good, and its chief reporter, Peter Doggers, is widely regarded as the world’s best chess journalist.

Whether the merger will work in the long run is questionable. The world champion made it his mission to try to make PMG succeed, and admitting failure by selling out could prove another step on the road to retirement. Much may depend on whether Carlsen’s currently stalled aim of reaching a record 2900 rating can be revived by a strong performance in the Sinquefield Cup, which is under way in St Louis this week. So far this year the Norwegian, 31, has been unable to reproduce his pre-pandemic performance levels of 2019.

The future looks doubtful for chess24. One of chess.com’s earlier acquisitions was the viewing site chessbomb which now functions in a scaled down form only covering major events without live commentary, whereas chess24 gives live games from quite minor competitions.

However, chess.com will not have a monopoly in the near future. Lichess remains as a non-profit rival, and is the site of choice for many due to its easy and fast access to a willing opponent. A handful of clicks, and you are in action at your preferred time limit.

Back at the board at St Louis, Alireza Firouzja, 19, returned to top form at the Grand Tour rapid/blitz, where he lost only one game out of 27 and collected the $40,000 first prize with four rounds to spare. Nakamura was second. Carlsen joined in on Thursday for the Sinquefield Cup and the prospect of a battle with Firouzja.

Last week’s article mentioned that England’s star seven-year-old, Kushal Jakhria, was within reach of a 2000 national rating. Jakhria was in contention to break the age record of Abhimanyu Mishra, who became the youngest US Expert (defined as a 2000 rating) at seven years six months and 22 days, and went on to become the youngest ever grandmaster.

It did not take Jakhria long. On Bank Holiday weekend, with an English Chess Federation rating of 1989, he travelled to Lancashire for the Leyland U2200, defeated both the top seeds, then missed the final day due to travel problems back to London.

At seven years, five months, Jakhria broke Mishra’s record by nearly two months. Mishra had beaten the previous record set by Awonder Liang, who also became a grandmaster, by a full six months.

Some English events are not Fide-rated so that figure is lower, but Jakhria has still made it to No 1 on the world chess body’s September list for seven-year-olds. England’s other talent Bodhana Sivanandan shows as fourth overall and world No 1 among girls aged seven.

Among England’s former prodigies, Luke McShane stands out. At eight and a half, he won the world U10 championship in Duisburg 1992 ahead of several future grandmasters, probably performing above 2300. It also seems likely that Nodirbek Abdusattorov, now at 17 the youngest World Rapid champion, was playing at around 2000 at seven, because at nine he defeated two GMs in a tournament at Tashkent.

In less than two weeks, Jakhria faces his biggest challenge yet. The 11-round Fide World U8 championship opens in Batumi, Georgia, on 16 September, with a huge field of 144. Nine are from the United States, which has won two of the last three titles, and many other strong chess nations are also represented. This event has proved a barometer to greatness in 2012, when Abdusattorov won, and in 2013, when Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa captured gold for India.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-jakhria-sets-new-world-mark?CMP=share_btn_tw
 
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