Getting tired of bits and pieces players selected as all-rounders

[srh]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who is pretty good in both batting and bowling and in fact can make team on either skill.

But lately Pakistan has continue to select bits and pieces players and termed them as all rounders.

• Is Imad Wasim good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Hasan Ali good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Faheem Ashraf good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Shadab Khan good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Hussain Talat good enough bowler to be consider an all rounder?

All the above 5 players are not all rounders. The first 4 are bowlers and the 5th one is a batsman.

Bits and pieces players should not be allowed to take position of a player who is better than them at their primary skill.

For example Hussain Talat is selected but his batting numbers are: 59 List-A 50-over matches, scored 1402 runs at just under 38 average.
On the other hand Saad Ali is not selected but his batting numbers are: 58 List-A 50-over matches, scored 1705 runs at 46 average.
So Saad Ali is a better batsman than Hussain Talat in every way. Yet selectors selected Hussain Talat over Saad Ali because they were thinking that Hussain Talat can bowl too. So this type of wrong thinking results in making a wrong and unfair decision.

Inzimam should have known better.

 

[topspin]

Hasan Ali has never been considered as an all rounder - just as a potential but he has a long way to go since he can't defend very well with the bat. I agree with you on Faheem, Shadab and Talat.

However you can't tell me Imad Wasim is no all rounder, he's not amazing but an average of 36-37 at a SR of c.95 after 32 ODIs indicates he can albeit as an accumulator. Also he averages 40 in FC cricket. Hence why he gets the nod over Faheem and Shadab - who for me are glorified tail enders.

I'd also bat Imad ahead of the shoddy batsman that Sarfraz has become at 7.

 

[j_kazmi]

You forgot to mention Hafeez and Malik. They’re bits and pieces aswell.

They’re for some reason treated as full time batsmen but they are way to unreliable to be considered that.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

A broken system producing bits and pieces players, that's just poetic.

 

[dhump]

Honestly, the whole team looks like bits and pieces players at least the batting side. We need to understand that this is the best possible talent we got and no world beaters are sitting at home. Pakistani system is horrible and wholly incompetent, and you cant create good players like this.

 

[Justcrazy]

Problem is that players are not told the role they are to play.

For example it is not clear whether Talat is playing as batsmen or as batting all rounder.

The selectors , manager , captain , coach , all do not have any clue why someone is in the XI and why someone is not , who should be selected , they is absolutely no planning.

 

[MMHS]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who is pretty good in both batting and bowling and in fact can make team on either skill.

But lately Pakistan has continue to select bits and pieces players and termed them as all rounders.

• Is Imad Wasim good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Hasan Ali good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Faheem Ashraf good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Shadab Khan good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Hussain Talat good enough bowler to be consider an all rounder?

All the above 5 players are not all rounders. The first 4 are bowlers and the 5th one is a batsman.

Bits and pieces players should not be allowed to take position of a player who is better than them at their primary skill.

For example Hussain Talat is selected but his batting numbers are: 59 List-A 50-over matches, scored 1402 runs at just under 38 average.
On the other hand Saad Ali is not selected but his batting numbers are: 58 List-A 50-over matches, scored 1705 runs at 46 average.
So Saad Ali is a better batsman than Hussain Talat in every way. Yet selectors selected Hussain Talat over Saad Ali because they were thinking that Hussain Talat can bowl too. So this type of wrong thinking results in making a wrong and unfair decision.

Inzimam should have known better.

I understand your point and completely agree, but your choice of examples are horribly wrong. Imad is a genuine all-rounder for T20s, because he makes it for his 4 overs, and can hit a bit. His last ball six was the difference in a T20 recently. But yes, he shouldn't make the ODI side, as his bowling isn't potent enough, unless batsmen are forced to go after at 8-9/over.

Hasan is one of the best ODI prospects because he can (could) control the middle overs with semi old ball - he makes the ODI squad on bowling merit, and to add advantage, he can hit few solid blows, fields well also. 15 years back, Mo Sami should have been given this role and he could have done better.

Shadab is a fantastic LO prospect for his all-round package & easily the best fielder in the squad. He is wasting himself trying to become a T20 mercenary ala Afridi by neglecting his bowing and soon he might loose his ODI spot for his bowling decline. But, he should be invested and encouraged to improve bowling and make sure that his 10 overs are confirmed for captain, his batting is good for No. 7, can be better in future.

Same goes for Fahim, and he is good bowling prospect for middle overs, can hit as well. He should focus on fitness and his bowling to seal that No. 8 spot for next 2 WCs at least. In Asian games (ODI), where 2.5 spinners are must, Fahim actually is the most critical player to give a proper balance as 3rd pacer. In UAE Tests, PAK can use him as 2nd pacer to play 3 spinners against Non Asian teams.

Talat is still new to comment, but he averages 30 with bat & 33 with ball in FC, which is a very good prospect for his age. If he works hard enough he can make it big as No. 6 batsman & 5th bowling option in ODI - Andrew Symonds or Shane Watson are his ideal role model. He shouldn't be considered as B&P, rather a genuine hard hitting middle order, who can bowl intelligent spells. But, not good enough with bat still for Test considerations and probably not for T20 either.

The biggest bits & pieces cricketer in PAK team are Hafeez - who is making the squad as "all-rounder", then bowls 2-3 overs and bats in top 4. Then comes Malik - after 20 years, still anything over waste at 125K troubles him and he is there as the finisher at 5, in SAF & then in WC at UK!!!! Final one is the Captain himself - who is Bits & pieces in every aspect - bats a bit, keeps a bit, captains a bit, sledge a bit, yells a bit as well......... but not good at any skill; on top of that fitness & figure does encourage youngsters to rethink about fitness & diet.

 

[Savak]

The goal should be to make the Bits and Pieces into confident, consistent and world class all rounders. Sadly these are the best we have got.

 

[indianpanacea]

IMAD wasim is a genuine all-rounder.. He is a fine batsman.. He should b promoted to middle order.. He can even qualify as a test batsman purely on his skills.. For SA series batting order be like
Fakhar
Shaan
Babar
Imad wasim
Rizwan
Hafeez/shoaib
Hussain talat
Faheem ashraf
Amir
Hassan
Shaheen

 

[Chokli]

I understand your point and completely agree, but your choice of examples are horribly wrong. Imad is a genuine all-rounder for T20s, because he makes it for his 4 overs, and can hit a bit. His last ball six was the difference in a T20 recently. But yes, he shouldn't make the ODI side, as his bowling isn't potent enough, unless batsmen are forced to go after at 8-9/over.

Depends how he is being used by the captain. He still has a lot to offer in ODIs.

Hasan is one of the best ODI prospects because he can (could) control the middle overs with semi old ball - he makes the ODI squad on bowling merit, and to add advantage, he can hit few solid blows, fields well also. 15 years back, Mo Sami should have been given this role and he could have done better.

Agreed, just like Umar Gul could hit a few lusty blows... But that doesn't mean we should make him all rounder, he's fine as a pure bowler who can hit.

Shadab is a fantastic LO prospect for his all-round package & easily the best fielder in the squad. He is wasting himself trying to become a T20 mercenary ala Afridi by neglecting his bowing and soon he might loose his ODI spot for his bowling decline. But, he should be invested and encouraged to improve bowling and make sure that his 10 overs are confirmed for captain, his batting is good for No. 7, can be better in future.

Nah, he weakens an already weak line-up by batting at 7, he's perfect for number 8.

[/QUOTE]Same goes for Fahim, and he is good bowling prospect for middle overs, can hit as well. He should focus on fitness and his bowling to seal that No. 8 spot for next 2 WCs at least. In Asian games (ODI), where 2.5 spinners are must, Fahim actually is the most critical player to give a proper balance as 3rd pacer. In UAE Tests, PAK can use him as 2nd pacer to play 3 spinners against Non Asian teams.

I'd rather have Imad at 7 and either one of Shadab/Faheem at 8.

Talat is still new to comment, but he averages 30 with bat & 33 with ball in FC, which is a very good prospect for his age. If he works hard enough he can make it big as No. 6 batsman & 5th bowling option in ODI - Andrew Symonds or Shane Watson are his ideal role model. He shouldn't be considered as B&P, rather a genuine hard hitting middle order, who can bowl intelligent spells. But, not good enough with bat still for Test considerations and probably not for T20 either.

I wouldn't say he's a hard hitting batsman, he's more of an accumlator that can bat at a strike rate of 100-110.

The biggest bits & pieces cricketer in PAK team are Hafeez - who is making the squad as "all-rounder", then bowls 2-3 overs and bats in top 4. Then comes Malik - after 20 years, still anything over waste at 125K troubles him and he is there as the finisher at 5, in SAF & then in WC at UK!!!! Final one is the Captain himself - who is Bits & pieces in every aspect - bats a bit, keeps a bit, captains a bit, sledge a bit, yells a bit as well......... but not good at any skill; on top of that fitness & figure does encourage youngsters to rethink about fitness & diet.

Malik I agree but Hafeez sorry but you're wrong.

Before his action was changed, Hafeez was what you call a pure all rounder... His bowling and batting were both vital.

 

[Hasan123]

I agree. If a all rounder doesn’t make the team on batting or bowling merit alone don’t select them I would rather start a specialist spinner over Shadab in ODIs. Don’t mind giving Faheem time as his bowling is improving and we will need that in England.

 

[Mamoon]

People hype Shadab and Faheem too much, but Imad is the only genuine all-rounder in Pakistan.

However, he is not great by international standards. He is nowhere near Stokes, Pandya, Curran, Moeen etc.

 

[Saj]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who can win you a match on his own with either bat or ball.

Some of our guys can only dream of doing that.

 

[MMHS]

Depends how he is being used by the captain. He still has a lot to offer in ODIs.



Agreed, just like Umar Gul could hit a few lusty blows... But that doesn't mean we should make him all rounder, he's fine as a pure bowler who can hit.


Nah, he weakens an already weak line-up by batting at 7, he's perfect for number 8.

Same goes for Fahim, and he is good bowling prospect for middle overs, can hit as well. He should focus on fitness and his bowling to seal that No. 8 spot for next 2 WCs at least. In Asian games (ODI), where 2.5 spinners are must, Fahim actually is the most critical player to give a proper balance as 3rd pacer. In UAE Tests, PAK can use him as 2nd pacer to play 3 spinners against Non Asian teams.

I'd rather have Imad at 7 and either one of Shadab/Faheem at 8.


I wouldn't say he's a hard hitting batsman, he's more of an accumlator that can bat at a strike rate of 100-110.



Malik I agree but Hafeez sorry but you're wrong.

Before his action was changed, Hafeez was what you call a pure all rounder... His bowling and batting were both vital.

I have been wrong about Hafeez for my entire 9 years in PP - so nothing new in it.

 

[Chokli]

Same goes for Fahim, and he is good bowling prospect for middle overs, can hit as well. He should focus on fitness and his bowling to seal that No. 8 spot for next 2 WCs at least. In Asian games (ODI), where 2.5 spinners are must, Fahim actually is the most critical player to give a proper balance as 3rd pacer. In UAE Tests, PAK can use him as 2nd pacer to play 3 spinners against Non Asian teams.

Agreed.

I have been wrong about Hafeez for my entire 9 years in PP - so nothing new in it.

You were right from 2003 - 2009 but from 2010 - 2014 he was great.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Not a big fan of Imad Wasim as he doesn't have that much impact on the game, but the guy can bat compared to some other allrounders. He can bat at a reasonable strike rate + bowls tight overs. He is a handy someone to have in the ODI team with his decent contributions. Guys like Faheem, Hafeez, Shadab will either be very good or don't do anything at all. Shadab is still developing though.

Imad would even have been handy in the tests against SA as well as a holding option (bowling) + number 7 bat. He is a decent puller/cutter. He would have kept it tight at one end allowing the pacers to benefit of the built pressure.

 

[Markhor]

The biggest bits & pieces cricketer in PAK team are Hafeez - who is making the squad as "all-rounder", then bowls 2-3 overs and bats in top 4. Then comes Malik - after 20 years, still anything over waste at 125K troubles him and he is there as the finisher at 5, in SAF & then in WC at UK!!!! Final one is the Captain himself - who is Bits & pieces in every aspect - bats a bit, keeps a bit, captains a bit, sledge a bit, yells a bit as well......... but not good at any skill; on top of that fitness & figure does encourage youngsters to rethink about fitness & diet.

I'm hoping Rabada, Ngidi and co will do the jobs of the Pakistani selectors for them when they inevitably expose Hafeez and Malik's inability to play pace of any quality, so we don't carry these two to the World Cup.

 

[Hasan123]

I'm hoping Rabada, Ngidi and co will do the jobs of the Pakistani selectors for them when they inevitably expose Hafeez and Malik's inability to play pace of any quality, so we don't carry these two to the World Cup.

They are going to the WC no matter what.

 

[The Viper]

There are very few genuine allrounders who can win a match with bat and ball. Only Shakib and Stokes can have that impact at the moment.

 

[Usman Chadda]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who can win you a match on his own with either bat or ball.

Some of our guys can only dream of doing that.

None of our batsmen can win us a match on their own.

None of our bowlers can win us a match on their own.

Hence we get these bits and pieces cricketers.

 

[coy0607]

There are very few genuine allrounders who can win a match with bat and ball. Only Shakib and Stokes can have that impact at the moment.

Exactly!

Its not like we have a young Razzaq waiting on the sidelines.

If you want to bat deep, and have more than 5 bowling options, then you need Imad, Hafeez, Shadab, Faheem, Talat type of cricketers.

Otherwise you would have 5 batsmen, 1 wk, and 5 bowlers

Its not like the specialist batsmen are producing very well - therein lies the real problem. Shadab/Faheem type of cricketers are good for 4-8 overs, this teams asks them to bat out 20+ overs

 

[iPakistani]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who is pretty good in both batting and bowling and in fact can make team on either skill.

But lately Pakistan has continue to select bits and pieces players and termed them as all rounders.

• 
  [*]Is Imad Wasim good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
  [*]Is Hasan Ali good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
  [*]Is Faheem Ashraf good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
  [*]Is Shadab Khan good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
  [*]Is Hussain Talat good enough bowler to be consider an all rounder?

All the above 5 players are not all rounders. The first 4 are bowlers and the 5th one is a batsman.

It's important to mention that 4 of the players you mentioned are 24 and younger. (Imad being 30). Being 24 and the potential they are showing is huge, maybe Pakistan cricket has to go through this bad phase of results to get to the pot of gold, instead of throwing away these players we should develop them to become all rounders or even specialists in their own department.

If we are patient with these players in 2-3 years they will provide large rewards for Pakistan cricket I am sure of it.

 

[iPakistani]

People hype Shadab and Faheem too much, but Imad is the only genuine all-rounder in Pakistan.

However, he is not great by international standards. He is nowhere near Stokes, Pandya, Curran, Moeen etc.

You did well to slide in Pandya and Curran's names in there.

 

[srh]

Bump. How many alleged all rounders are Pakistan playing today in 2nd ODI?

 

[Abdullah]

We need to give these time. All rounders are a tough business

 

[srh]

We need to give these time. All rounders are a tough business

I can count 6 alleged all rounders in the playing 11 today. Thats too many and might be a world record of playing so many in 1 game.

 

[Abdullah]

I can count 6 alleged all rounders in the playing 11 today. Thats too many and might be a world record of playing so many in 1 game.

Yes but I cant cont Malik hafeez and fakhar as all rounders.
It is shadab talat and faheem

 

[srh]

Yes but I cant cont Malik hafeez and fakhar as all rounders.
It is shadab talat and faheem

Hafeez, Malik, Shadab, Talat, Faheem and Hasan. All these players are considered to be all rounders and thats the reason they were selected

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Faheem opening the bowling is just like Anwar Ali and Razzaq opening the bowling previously..so irritating to see him open the bowling when swing bowlers at fierce pace opens the bowling for other teams in SEAN

 

[Abdullah]

Hafeez, Malik, Shadab, Talat, Faheem and Hasan. All these players are considered to be all rounders and thats the reason they were selected

No Malik and hafeez are our senior quota.
Asad and azahr in the tests

 

[Amjid Javed]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who is pretty good in both batting and bowling and in fact can make team on either skill.

But lately Pakistan has continue to select bits and pieces players and termed them as all rounders.

• Is Imad Wasim good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Hasan Ali good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Faheem Ashraf good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Shadab Khan good enough batsman to be consider an all rounder?
• Is Hussain Talat good enough bowler to be consider an all rounder?

All the above 5 players are not all rounders. The first 4 are bowlers and the 5th one is a batsman.

Bits and pieces players should not be allowed to take position of a player who is better than them at their primary skill.

For example Hussain Talat is selected but his batting numbers are: 59 List-A 50-over matches, scored 1402 runs at just under 38 average.
On the other hand Saad Ali is not selected but his batting numbers are: 58 List-A 50-over matches, scored 1705 runs at 46 average.
So Saad Ali is a better batsman than Hussain Talat in every way. Yet selectors selected Hussain Talat over Saad Ali because they were thinking that Hussain Talat can bowl too. So this type of wrong thinking results in making a wrong and unfair decision.

Inzimam should have known better.

POTW, Was actually going to make a smiliar thread when i had time to do so, youve beaten me to it but make excellent points.

None of these so called "All rounders" are even half competent in one skills set never mind 2 or 3.

Jack of all trades and masters of none!

 

[salman24]

Hafeez, Malik, Shadab, Talat, Faheem and Hasan. All these players are considered to be all rounders and thats the reason they were selected

Hasan is not considered an allrounder. Hafeez and Malik are batsmen who can bowl.

 

[srh]

Hasan is not considered an allrounder. Hafeez and Malik are batsmen who can bowl.

Hasan is already considered by an all rounder by majority of Pak fans especially after his 50 today The word "all rounder" has lost its significance when its come to Pakistan team.

 

[Greenstorm]

Bump. How many alleged all rounders are Pakistan playing today in 2nd ODI?

Probably the management is trying out different players before the world cup. Surely they won't be playing these many in WC.

 

[j_kazmi]

Hasan is not considered an allrounder. Hafeez and Malik are batsmen who can bowl.

Hafeez is an all rounder and Malik is bowler who eventually learnt how to bat.

 

[shah_1]

Fahim's bowling average is so low due to his performance against Zim otherwise his record is shambolic. He is not a bowler and a batsman, should not even be in the squad. Team mangement should rather pick Amir or Junaid as 3rd bowler.

 

[Mirpur express]

Calling a 20yrd with great potential a glorified tail ender is what a typical brainless supporter would say ,

 

[Chokli]

Hafeez is an all rounder and Malik is bowler who eventually learnt how to bat.

hafeez used to be one when he could chuck now he's useless

 

[Mirpur express]

People hype Shadab and Faheem too much, but Imad is the only genuine all-rounder in Pakistan.

However, he is not great by international standards. He is nowhere near Stokes, Pandya, Curran, Moeen etc.

Lmao Curran has hardly played international cricket Pandya & Moeen are NOT world class but but typical basher says otherwise.. we’ll i rate Shadab better then the above three only Stokes he needs to catch

 

[Mamoon]

Lmao Curran has hardly played international cricket Pandya & Moeen are NOT world class but but typical basher says otherwise.. we’ll i rate Shadab better then the above three only Stokes he needs to catch

Shadab is nowhere near the batsmen Pandya and Curran are, let alone Moeen, who is basically a genuine batsman. If Shadab is to play, he has to play as a spinner - he is not all-rounder. He is basically a tail-ender who can score 25-30 on a good day, and maybe an odd fifty in Tests.

All-rounders should have the capability to score hundreds which he does not.

 

[Chokli]

Lmao Curran has hardly played international cricket Pandya & Moeen are NOT world class but but typical basher says otherwise.. we’ll i rate Shadab better then the above three only Stokes he needs to catch

lol do you honestly thing shadab has the ability to score a 100

you fans deserve this team

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lmao Curran has hardly played international cricket Pandya & Moeen are NOT world class but but typical basher says otherwise.. we’ll i rate Shadab better then the above three only Stokes he needs to catch

How many matches has Shadab won with bat?
A guy with SR in 60s won't get to bat in top7 of any of top5 teams

The idea of having him at 6 shows how poor are the standards of Pak odi batting line up

 

[Sherlock]

The selectors have a-lot to answer for, especially the current one that's more interested in being a batting coach.

 

[Savak]

Shadab is nowhere near the batsmen Pandya and Curran are, let alone Moeen, who is basically a genuine batsman. If Shadab is to play, he has to play as a spinner - he is not all-rounder. He is basically a tail-ender who can score 25-30 on a good day, and maybe an odd fifty in Tests.

All-rounders should have the capability to score hundreds which he does not.

I think you need to go easy a little, Shadab has 3-4 test 50's which is no joke and has a few ODI's 50's as well, that is not bad for an 19 year old all rounder. You need to remember he is only 19 years old. You would have laughed when you saw Shoaib Malik bat in 1999. A lot can happen in Cricket in 10-12 years. It all depends on the amount of hard work Shadab puts in his game and doesn't get carried away with the fame, money, adulation and the attitude I have achieved it all and its all about doing a 9-5 job now.

 

[Savak]

To be honest, I cant blame Mickey Arthur here, we saw what playing specialists has done for us in the batting department in the test series and how pathetic our tail was during the test series. All teams need to have batting ability from No 1 to 9. The current players for the most part are the best we have got and they need to start delivering.

 

[aloo paratha]

Faheem needs to be kicked out the team. Don't get the obsession with Hafeez' bowling. Hafeez' bowling being economical is just a myth in the last few years. Even in the champions ttohoju he wasn't that good. Faheem should make way for Mohammad Amir. Play 3 genuine pacers. Rizwan should be tried in place of Hussain Talat.

 

[Mamoon]

I think you need to go easy a little, Shadab has 3-4 test 50's which is no joke and has a few ODI's 50's as well, that is not bad for an 19 year old all rounder. You need to remember he is only 19 years old. You would have laughed when you saw Shoaib Malik bat in 1999. A lot can happen in Cricket in 10-12 years. It all depends on the amount of hard work Shadab puts in his game and doesn't get carried away with the fame, money, adulation and the attitude I have achieved it all and its all about doing a 9-5 job now.

Shoaib Malik pretty much gave up his bowling around 2003 when his doosra was banned and he was promoted to number 3 in ODIs. Since then, he has been nothing more than a part-timer with the ball. His focus totally shifted to his batting.

We do not have a good culture of developing players and haven't produced a genuine all-rounder since Razzaq emerged in the late 90's, so the chances of Shadab developing into one are low.

If Shadab is to work hard on his batting, the chances are high that his bowling will regress, Pakistan's obsession with developing bowlers with a semblance of batting ability is not going to work. Shadab is simply not ready to do justice to the responsibility the team has exposed him to. He should not be batting above 9. Pakistan will hardly post or chase a big total with Shadab batting at 6.

 

[Savak]

Shoaib Malik pretty much gave up his bowling around 2003 when his doosra was banned and he was promoted to number 3 in ODIs. Since then, he has been nothing more than a part-timer with the ball. His focus totally shifted to his batting.

We do not have a good culture of developing players and haven't produced a genuine all-rounder since Razzaq emerged in the late 90's, so the chances of Shadab developing into one are low.

If Shadab is to work hard on his batting, the chances are high that his bowling will regress, Pakistan's obsession with developing bowlers with a semblance of batting ability is not going to work. Shadab is simply not ready to do justice to the responsibility the team has exposed him to. He should not be batting above 9. Pakistan will hardly post or chase a big total with Shadab batting at 6.

I agree, I think Shadab shouldn't be burdened with batting expectations, 20-50 runs from him will be a bonus with the bat, we need him to focus more on his bowling and take wickets. His role in test matches to be a very reliable tail ender type batsman who can comfortably support a full time fully set batsman who does not have to worry about exposing him to 5 deliveries in an over.

Our tail is absolutely horrible and we cant keep giving away the last 5 wickets for 10 runs, destroys all the foundation set by the top order.

 

[MMHS]

FGS, still a SF spot is open for PAK to grab - please get out of this "All-rounder" syndrome. PCT can't operate with a combination game where 2+2 makes 5. Synergy is not the core of the team, rather it's strength lies in individualism - good, bad we can argue, but it's not working. Arthur has to prepare PCT for WC where 3-4 top players raise their game beyond expectation, and others support - more importantly, no baggage to carry.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

We are experimenting/rotating and present. Relax.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

FGS, still a SF spot is open for PAK to grab - please get out of this "All-rounder" syndrome. PCT can't operate with a combination game where 2+2 makes 5. Synergy is not the core of the team, rather it's strength lies in individualism - good, bad we can argue, but it's not working. Arthur has to prepare PCT for WC where 3-4 top players raise their game beyond expectation, and others support - more importantly, no baggage to carry.

Good point

 

[Saj]

For all these all-rounders we have I reckon:

Shadab can win a match with the ball
Hafeez can win a match with the bat
Imad can win a match with the ball

The rest, nothing.

 

[Cric1234]

For all these all-rounders we have I reckon:

Shadab can win a match with the ball
Hafeez can win a match with the bat
Imad can win a match with the ball

The rest, nothing.

When was the last time Imad won a match with the ball in ODIs?

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Batting till No 10 is the new way forward.

It's not that batsmen have to be able to bowl, but bowlers definitely need to know how to bat.

Yesterday's game showed the difference between bunnies like Bumrah at No 10 vs competent guys like Hasan Ali who can bat.

 

[wrongun]

For me the definition of an all rounder is someone who can win you a match on his own with either bat or ball.

Some of our guys can only dream of doing that.

That would a world class allrounder like Stokes, Shakib etc.
Pretty rare in the cricketing world.

Most international teams make do with guys like De Grandhomme, Imad etc who are pretty solid at both but not match winners.

I'd say there's a third category of potential match winners in one category and serviceable in the other- Maxwell, Holder etc.