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For me it is Johan Botha.

Ever since he led South Africa to a 4-1 away series win against Australia, I have always been a fan of his captaincy. I believe G.Smith was injured so he took over the reins and delivered tactical masterclasses against a strong Aussie side which would win Champions Trophy a few months later. I always wondered why he didnt get a longer stint as captain post-Smith for example.

That is probably the best captaincy I have seen packed in one series.
 
Younis Khan on the field of play. He drew in India and won in Pakistan v India.

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Gautam Gambhir

Yeah - whitewashed the Kiwis 5-0 and continued to show his captaincy acumen in the IPL. If only his (international) batting hadn't fallen to pieces...
 
Steven Smith. He would have done wonders as captain but silly mistake costed him big time.
 
He has captained a before but Rahane did a good job in the fourth test vs Aus at home.
 
This is not gonna go well with PPers but Shoaib Akhtar!

shouldnt it be based on something?

heck shoaib was never deemed worthy of captaining a domestic side. So what evidence is there that he would be a good captain
 
In 5 years time, I'd be saying Ajinkya Rahane. Don't be fooled by his demeanor, his captaincy in the Dharamsala Test on the greenest track of the series was miles better than anything the current Indian captain can hope to exhibit even on his best days, and that was the deciding test of the series to boot with Steve Smith in the form of his life..

Chances are thin but I just hope that these fools sitting in the BCCI HQ finally see the light and kick Kohli out of captaincy and appoint Rahane ASAP. It's embarrassing already how India has performed overseas under Kohli this year with the best bowling line up India's ever had for overseas conditions to boot..
 
Younis Khan on the field of play. He drew in India and won in Pakistan v India.

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When was Younis Khan captain Pakistan against India in Pakistan?

IIRC, Inzi was the captain in 2006 when India toured Pakistan.

Also, when Pakistan toured India in 2007, IIRC, Shoaib Malik was the newly appointed captain of Pakistan.
 
When was Younis Khan captain Pakistan against India in Pakistan?

IIRC, Inzi was the captain in 2006 when India toured Pakistan.

Also, when Pakistan toured India in 2007, IIRC, Shoaib Malik was the newly appointed captain of Pakistan.

He was captain when pak won the Karachi Test in 2006
 
From India (post 1996)
1. Ajay Jadeja - had he not gotten involved in fixing; though luckily Ganguly came along, which worked out just fine
2. Kumble - Got only a 1 year stint as a captain.
3. Zaheer Khan - Always wanted to see what happens if a pace bowler captains the Indian team
4. Rahane - The way he is batting, his chance is gone
5. Gambhir

From Pakistan
1. Shoaib Malik - He was a fine captain in his early captaincy. Deserved a longer run
2. Shoaib Akhtar - Would have been fun watching him keep his players under control. It would be do as I say, not do as I do
3. Salman Butt - Another intelligent guy lost to fixing
4. Md Asif - And another one :facepalm:

Aus
1. Gilchrist - Need I say more
2. Warne - Need I say more
3. Ian Healy

Eng
1. Stuart Broad
2. Graeme Swann
 
Shane led Australia in some ODIs, so technically he did led his country and he did it brilliantly. Definitely one of the best ever to miss out the job in Test.

However, probably the best ever to missout the Honor of leading his country in Test was Keith Miller - he paid his toll for his salty relationship with Bradman and being more popular than even Bradman to younger players. Otherwise in between Hasset (1952) and Benaud (1956) KRM should have been Aussie Captain. IW Johnson led AUS well in that period but they lost couple of Ashes, which I don’t think would have been the case had Miller been the Captain.

A brilliant tactician and extremely popular, respected cricketer who was arguably the cricketer of 1950s and he led NSW in Shields commendably. He is among few cricketers who has led both Victoria & NSW and Bradman cost him a deserving Knighthood. Miller definitely would have ended as Sir Keith had he led AUS to an Ashes win.
 
Warne ... he had more cricketing sense than Border, Waugh, Ponting combined..
 
In 5 years time, I'd be saying Ajinkya Rahane. Don't be fooled by his demeanor, his captaincy in the Dharamsala Test on the greenest track of the series was miles better than anything the current Indian captain can hope to exhibit even on his best days, and that was the deciding test of the series to boot with Steve Smith in the form of his life..

Chances are thin but I just hope that these fools sitting in the BCCI HQ finally see the light and kick Kohli out of captaincy and appoint Rahane ASAP. It's embarrassing already how India has performed overseas under Kohli this year with the best bowling line up India's ever had for overseas conditions to boot..

Rahane does not deserve to be in team, forget about captaincy.
 
Reality is if someone wasn't picked as captain of the national team, there's probably a pretty good reason why. Man mgmt, media and PR mgmt, political equation mgmt are all important skillsets that are needed apart from setting fields and picking XIs.

Being a full time captain is very different from being a stand in for a few games here and there.
That said, some players from India who had displayed good leadership skillsets at lower levels (domestic/IPL) include Kumble, Ravi Shastri and Gautam Gambhir.
 
Tbh Shoaib Malik. He was hard done by a lot of people going for his neck even his teammates. Was prematurely dumped after leading us to t20 WC finals in 2007 as a youngster.

Developed some fine talents in Sialkot Stallions one of which is current star Harris Sohail. I bet whenever he sees him bat well he feels proud inside.

His cricketing acumen was always improving and he had a captain’s heart.
 
+1. Ponting inherited what was supposed to be Warne's team.

When Taylor retired, Warne was in midst of his longest form slump, had a wonky shoulder and was already a tabloid darling for his off field indiscretions.

When Waugh retired, Warne was almost 35 and serving out a drugs ban. What logic was there in making him captain?
 
Shane led Australia in some ODIs, so technically he did led his country and he did it brilliantly. Definitely one of the best ever to miss out the job in Test.

However, probably the best ever to missout the Honor of leading his country in Test was Keith Miller - he paid his toll for his salty relationship with Bradman and being more popular than even Bradman to younger players. Otherwise in between Hasset (1952) and Benaud (1956) KRM should have been Aussie Captain. IW Johnson led AUS well in that period but they lost couple of Ashes, which I don’t think would have been the case had Miller been the Captain.

A brilliant tactician and extremely popular, respected cricketer who was arguably the cricketer of 1950s and he led NSW in Shields commendably. He is among few cricketers who has led both Victoria & NSW and Bradman cost him a deserving Knighthood. Miller definitely would have ended as Sir Keith had he led AUS to an Ashes win.

Well unless you're like 80 years old, I'm not sure how you rated Keith Miller as one of the best captains ever. Surely you're going by what you've read and not what you've seen. You can rate batsmen and bowlers who you've not seen by analyzing match figures but captaincy has to be seen first hand before making a judgment as to how good one was.

In my view, Salim Malik had a very short stint as captain. He was one of the shrewdest at reading the game. Wasim was the alpha male of the 90s and therefore Malik had no chance. Also Malik couldn't secure himself in the team with his batting and that was a huge negative for him. I rate Salim Malik very very highly.
 
Well unless you're like 80 years old, I'm not sure how you rated Keith Miller as one of the best captains ever. Surely you're going by what you've read and not what you've seen. You can rate batsmen and bowlers who you've not seen by analyzing match figures but captaincy has to be seen first hand before making a judgment as to how good one was.

In my view, Salim Malik had a very short stint as captain. He was one of the shrewdest at reading the game. Wasim was the alpha male of the 90s and therefore Malik had no chance. Also Malik couldn't secure himself in the team with his batting and that was a huge negative for him. I rate Salim Malik very very highly.

I am well, well short of hitting the mark of 80.

Coming to judging Cricket without watching the game, I think, it's opposite for Captaincy. You can judge a player (without watching) only from stats, which is made against his contemporaries. Therefore, statistically Bradman, Barnes, Laker or Jobbs were outstanding but you can't compare players of different era unless there is standard measuring unit - I can say U Bolt is a better sprinter than Jessi Owens, but can't/shouldn't say that Bradman was a better batsman than Viv or Pele was a better/inferior player than Messi.

But Captaincy is different issue - you can find lots of insights just from Match report, bowling chart, scoring charts (where batsmen have scored), combination used, toss decision, batting order, declaration timing, partnership .... etc. if you really can analyze a detailed scorecard. It's tactics that's are almost universal - in 1932, Jardin was brilliant to chalk out a tactics to negotiate Bradman, or the SAF Captain of 1900s who used 4 spinners to win a Series against ENG, or Len Hutton using Tyson to win an Ashes down under or say Frank Worrell in 1961 AUS tour.

Coming to KR Miller, indeed it's based on reading articles, lots of it - because I haven't seen him even in archives ever leading a side. However, I have read lot about his game intelligence, his versatility as a player, his vision as a leader to promote youngsters, and his capability to raise on occasion - these are universal qualities of a Cricket captain.

Salim Malik indeed was a brilliant captain - much better than his other contemporaries if we are ready to disregard his other issues. At a time PCB's team had about 8-9 past, present or future Captains in playing XI, a number Aussies couldn't beat in almost half a century, and Malik was good. I wrote here sometimes back that if Malik is pardoned, then he should be used as a Junior coach for U16, U19 & A Teams and groom future Captains. He is among the last few PAK players who were groomed by English Counties - from an average FTB between 1982 to 1987, he spent 2-3 years at Essex between 1987-1990 and arguably was among top 2-3 middle orders between 1989 to 1993, and excellent captain as well. Not sure if he qualifies for this list though because he got more than proper chances, but himself blew it.
 
Rohit gurunath sharma. On his bad days, he's 10 times better than the current incumbent.
 
Some posters mentioned it already but agree than Shoaib Malik should have been given a longer run
 
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