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Greater Western Sydney AFL player Haneen Zreika declines to wear LGBT Pride jumper
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Typical so called liberals. Now abusing the girl because she doesnt want to promote homsexuality.
True liberals would accept ones personal freedoms or views, not demand others accept their views on life.
Good on her for refusing.
True liberals would accept ones personal freedoms or views, not demand others accept their views on life.
Good on her for refusing.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2...iss-match-rather-than-wear-clubs-pride-jumper
<b>AFLW: Giants player Haneen Zreika to miss match rather than wear club’s pride jumper</b>
<I>League’s first Muslim player didn’t want to wear jumper on religious grounds but is said to have support and respect of teammates</I>
GWS Giants midfielder Haneen Zreika will sit out the club’s AFLW clash with the Western Bulldogs after deciding she could not wear the new pride jumper due to her faith.
Zreika, 22, grew up in Western Sydney and was the first Muslim AFLW player when she debuted in 2019, coming to Australian rules football from a rugby league background.
This is the first year that the Giants have had a purpose-designed jumper for pride round which supports inclusion and diversity – particularly for the LGBTQ+ community.
While pride round was officially celebrated last week, the club decided to debut the jumper at Friday’s first home game of the 2022 season at Henson Park against the Western Bulldogs.
Zreika played in the pride round last year and in the official 2022 pride round match last week. She also ran through the banner with her teammates on the weekend which read: “Pride round: an inclusive game for all. Everyone is welcome.”
Guardian Australia understands the club undertook extensive consultation with the Muslim community in the lead-up to Zrieka’s decision.
Zreika spoke openly with the playing group about the tension between her support for pride round as well as her LGBTQ+ teammates and her faith.
It’s understood she is comfortable with her decision but did not make it lightly and that it was a matter of balancing her personal faith, her support for the principles of pride and her teammates, and the expectations of her community.
While she has been targeted by some commentators on social media for the decision, she is said to have the support and respect of her teammates.
Zreika is expected to attend Friday night’s match and support her teammates from the sidelines. The Giants declined to comment.
The team for the Bulldogs game, which was announced on Thursday evening, lists Zreika as not playing for personal reasons.
The selection includes two debut players – Casidhe Simmons and Brodee Mowbray – and also sees defenders Louise Stephenson and Libby Graham on the field.
Rebecca Privitelli, Chloe Dalton, Pepa Randall and Katie Loynes will not play due to the AFL’s health and safety protocols.
<b>AFLW: Giants player Haneen Zreika to miss match rather than wear club’s pride jumper</b>
<I>League’s first Muslim player didn’t want to wear jumper on religious grounds but is said to have support and respect of teammates</I>
GWS Giants midfielder Haneen Zreika will sit out the club’s AFLW clash with the Western Bulldogs after deciding she could not wear the new pride jumper due to her faith.
Zreika, 22, grew up in Western Sydney and was the first Muslim AFLW player when she debuted in 2019, coming to Australian rules football from a rugby league background.
This is the first year that the Giants have had a purpose-designed jumper for pride round which supports inclusion and diversity – particularly for the LGBTQ+ community.
While pride round was officially celebrated last week, the club decided to debut the jumper at Friday’s first home game of the 2022 season at Henson Park against the Western Bulldogs.
Zreika played in the pride round last year and in the official 2022 pride round match last week. She also ran through the banner with her teammates on the weekend which read: “Pride round: an inclusive game for all. Everyone is welcome.”
Guardian Australia understands the club undertook extensive consultation with the Muslim community in the lead-up to Zrieka’s decision.
Zreika spoke openly with the playing group about the tension between her support for pride round as well as her LGBTQ+ teammates and her faith.
It’s understood she is comfortable with her decision but did not make it lightly and that it was a matter of balancing her personal faith, her support for the principles of pride and her teammates, and the expectations of her community.
While she has been targeted by some commentators on social media for the decision, she is said to have the support and respect of her teammates.
Zreika is expected to attend Friday night’s match and support her teammates from the sidelines. The Giants declined to comment.
The team for the Bulldogs game, which was announced on Thursday evening, lists Zreika as not playing for personal reasons.
The selection includes two debut players – Casidhe Simmons and Brodee Mowbray – and also sees defenders Louise Stephenson and Libby Graham on the field.
Rebecca Privitelli, Chloe Dalton, Pepa Randall and Katie Loynes will not play due to the AFL’s health and safety protocols.
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Why wasnt this girl allowed to play without the armband?
The likes of Amla and others are supported for not having alcohol sponsers on their shirts. Or is Australia becoming a right wing fake liberal nation?
Why wasnt this girl allowed to play without the armband?
The likes of Amla and others are supported for not having alcohol sponsers on their shirts. Or is Australia becoming a right wing fake liberal nation?
What is the reference to a armband, no one is wearing a armband.
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Armband or jumper it doesnt matter.
Why cant she wear it without the LGBT reference?
How is it liberal to force somone to wear anything which is against their belief?
It would be unusual for one team member to wear a different jumper to the rest of the team and I'm fairly certain that the rules require the team to all wear the same uniform.
Its not a sew on logo but the whole jumper is in rainbow colors as a message that the team supports all people.
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Do you have a photo of the jumper?
If the team is so concered about the rights of LGBT , they should also allow her to have her way of life, which is Islam. Islam rejects the act of same sex couples have intimacy, no Muslim who understands their faith will accept this or promote it.
Politics should not be involved into sports. I dont agree with the PL asking footballers/teams to wear the rainbow band either. Nor the BLM taking the knee.
Btw does this team take the BLM knee too?
No one is asking her to have a same sex partner, its about showing all members of the community are accepted by the teams.
The men have indigenous round where they wear jumpers in aboriginal designs as a way of showing respect to aboriginals.
Thats all these rounds are about, showing different parts of the community that everyone is accepted for who they are.
Politics have nothing to do with it, its just a community thing to show that everyone is welcome to play football.
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This is your point of view.
Her's as a Muslim is not to promote or show homosexuality is ok.
Showing respect to a race or ethnicity is not the same showing respect to same sex couples having intimacy. One is a race/ethnicity the other is a life choice. Terrible argument.
No one is arguing, you asked me what it is about and I told you. Its not my point of view its what they do.
My point of view is I dont care what your religion is and I dont care what your sexuality is, we all just have to respect each other.
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I agree but respect is both ways. Its wrong for an athlete to miss a game because what they are promoting/supporting is against his/her beliefs. Let those who want to support and let those who dont want to support play.
Khawaja didnt wear the VB logo but played. Something similar should have been done for this female athlete.
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Liberalism gone mad.
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This shows why some Muslims have issues in blending with society and then complain that, they are treated differently.
It is also surprising regarding the hostile attitude towards OP who was just giving out information.
It is also surprising regarding the hostile attitude towards OP who was just giving out information.
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THIS!
It can’t be a one way street where you are allowed to be different based on religion and just want to be respected. On other hand, you can’t respect someone because they are different based on their gender.
If You want others to be liberal to your beliefs, then you have to be liberal to their beliefs as well.
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Who says muslims are asking for special treatment? And where has she disrespected or demonised the lgbt community?
She should have the right not to promote a way of living her religion forbids
If people want to live that way in the west then thats fine but muslims shouldnt be expected to promote it Its against their beliefs
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There are more LGBT in India than the population of Australia. I dont see Kohli and the boys wearing LGBT shirts in support of them. One reason being most in the Indian team will not want to promote such lifestyles. I suggest you lobby the majority Hindus to show support of LGBT in India as you seem very concerned for them.
Muslims have a belief, principles. You might expect Muslims to blend in India i.e not eating beef but if you ever lived in the western English speaking nations, you will know there is no such requirement.
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You elected Modi yet talk of respecting others views? A Hindu extremist nutjob. Please fix your own glass house first.
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She wears immodest clothes anyway so why the big deal? Hypocrisy
You seem to think that this is about promoting a lifestyle, it is not.
It is about football promoting the acceptance of all people regardless of their race, religion or sexuality.
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I actually agree with this, I think this has been ill thought out by Zreika.
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I agree with this.
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Football can do that by having LGBT players in the team, how many players from LBGT group in AFL?
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In can be regarded as promoting if its seen as she is ok with such a lifestyle.
A Muslim can never be ok with homosexuality.
Its simple, afford the freedom to all views and beliefs. There was no need for the girl to miss a match for this.
Football does have LGBTQ players but I dont know the numbers, I did read there are some in her team.
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Or perhaps how many LGBT sports people have come out in Australia?
It seems the real issue is of Aussies attacking LGBT. Not sure why a Muslim girl has to be the scapegoat.
https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/tandi155.pdf
She refused to play, it was her decision not to play.
Thats why football is wearing these jumpers so that they put out the message thats it is OK to gay in Australia and there is nothing wrong with it and you should not be harassed in any way for it. The message is it is wrong to be homophobic and our community does not support discrimination of people from the gay community.
She is not a scapegoat, it was her decision to make it a issue.
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She was left with no decision, either wear it or dont play? Or am I wrong?
Aussies seem to have an issue with attacking gay people in their land. Education is needed, wearing jumpers or armbands makes no difference imo.
Yes education is needed for those that discriminate against gay people. Wearing a jumper makes no difference to you because you just accept gays without any problems, but to the gay community it means a lot more because it lets them know that not everyone is homophobic and they are accepted by everyone else.
I think its pretty standard for any team in any country in any sport that if you refuse to wear the team uniform you wont be able to play.
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Its not standard to have a sports team uniform which goes against the belief of billions inc Christians, Muslims, Jews and others.
Thanks, so he had no choice wear it or dont play. She made the right the decision imo.
We will agree to disagree.
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This is madness. Why should someone promote something which doesn't align with his or her core of being. They can do whatever they want but dint force others to forcefully promote your acts
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The only thing being promoted is tolerance towards people that are different to you.
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Yes, wearing the jumper is open to interpretation imo. It doesn’t have to necessarily be seen as a *promotion* of a lifestyle or of “acts”. (why are some people always fixated on the act?)
It can just be a statement of acceptance within football and that everyone is different.
It can just be a statement of acceptance within football and that everyone is different.
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A very interesting discussion and I have enjoyed reading the posts.
Without going into too much detail, I work as a short term contractor with different companies and one of my contracts ( quite a good one) wasn't renewed because of a similar incident.
There is no way of proving for sure that this was case, but it is quite likely.
I have no issues with losing the contract, but I feel I was put into an uncomfortable position with colleagues as my stance on a very compex issue had been reduced to a simple binary choice.
I don't think gay people should be abused or discriminated against, and if there was a jumper or banner that said do not discriminate based on sexuality, then I would wear it. I imagine the football player in this incident would too.
However, I couldn't in good faith promote certain lifestyles or say that one must feel 'pride' in them.
Without going into too much detail, I work as a short term contractor with different companies and one of my contracts ( quite a good one) wasn't renewed because of a similar incident.
There is no way of proving for sure that this was case, but it is quite likely.
I have no issues with losing the contract, but I feel I was put into an uncomfortable position with colleagues as my stance on a very compex issue had been reduced to a simple binary choice.
I don't think gay people should be abused or discriminated against, and if there was a jumper or banner that said do not discriminate based on sexuality, then I would wear it. I imagine the football player in this incident would too.
However, I couldn't in good faith promote certain lifestyles or say that one must feel 'pride' in them.
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Supporting LGBTQ or BLM or any such thing should be voluntary and not forced.
As long as the person is not disrespectful, it should be ok.
But many of those who are supporting the athlete for refusing to wear the uniform and calling it "choice" were attacking De Kock for not kneeling for BLM.
Hypocrisy?
As long as the person is not disrespectful, it should be ok.
But many of those who are supporting the athlete for refusing to wear the uniform and calling it "choice" were attacking De Kock for not kneeling for BLM.
Hypocrisy?
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When you are in an institution, you will have to follow their policies whether you like it or not. If you don't agree, you have a choice to leave. You can sit out for the rest of the matches till the uniforms doesn't change.
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Whatever the complex issues are, ultimately decisions will be made upon binary choices. Otherwise it becomes ambiguity. You may find it unfair but life isn't fair to begin with and you'll have to face consequences of some sort.
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I dont find it unfair but I disagree that decisions should always be about binary choices. If we reduce everything to yes/no decisions we lose what makes us human - the ability to have nuanced discussions and advance our thinking by discussing the 'grey area'
There are always consequences for actions. In my case I dont believe that someone with male genitals is a female which in this instance was being grouped with 'pride' and was in a position to accept any consequences.
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This shows how complex the issue is, there is “LGBTQ+” (and other variations of the acronym) but these identities are not the same as one another; and the case of transgender is a completely different realm altogether to someone being comfortable in the skin of their biological sex and being gay. (I know many people, men and women, who are gay. I don’t know many transgender people.)
My prediction would be that the LGBTQ+ grouping will become more deconstructed over time. Lesbians are different to gay men who are different again to bisexual people, transgender and queer are different forms of identity, etc.
My position would be that I don’t internally “understand” every single way of living — for example, for me as a man who is very comfortable as a man and who can recognise a man’s good looks but is sexually attracted only to women, I can’t imagine the thought process of being homosexual or transgender — but I do absolutely accept everyone, I don’t discriminate, and it’s individual choice at the end of the day.
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What on earth are you talking about?
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That supporting any social or political movement should be voluntary.
But its hypocrisy that posters cricticized De Kock for not kneeling during T20 WC, but the same posters think this athlete should be given a choice.
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Which “society”?
The one that claims to be liberal and boasts of freedom of speech?
lol but yeah, choosing not to promote a certain political agenda is not considered as freedom of speech or an integral part of liberalism, no?
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In the same societies that you are refereeing to, there are millions of native members who do NOT support LGBT. It’s their choice.
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Philadelphia Flyers player Ivan Provorov chose not to take part in the NHL side's annual Pride Night because of his Russian Orthodox religion.
The Flyers players warmed up before Tuesday's game against Anaheim Ducks wearing jerseys with their names and numbers in rainbow colours and their sticks wrapped in rainbow tape.
But Provorov was absent as he wanted to "stay true to myself and my religion".
"I respect everyone. I respect everybody's choices," he said.
The Flyers players wore their usual jerseys for the match itself, with Provorov playing 23 minutes in a 5-2 win.
Flyers coach John Tortorella backed Provorov's decision, saying: "This has to do with his beliefs and his religion. It's one thing I respect about [Provorov], he's always true to himself."
In a statement the Philadelphia Flyers said it is "committed to inclusivity and is proud to support the LGBTQ+ community".
The Flyers added that the rainbow-themed jerseys and sticks will be auctioned off to raise money for charities that "grow the game of hockey in diverse communities".
https://www.bbc.com/sport/ice-hockey/64317604
The Flyers players warmed up before Tuesday's game against Anaheim Ducks wearing jerseys with their names and numbers in rainbow colours and their sticks wrapped in rainbow tape.
But Provorov was absent as he wanted to "stay true to myself and my religion".
"I respect everyone. I respect everybody's choices," he said.
The Flyers players wore their usual jerseys for the match itself, with Provorov playing 23 minutes in a 5-2 win.
Flyers coach John Tortorella backed Provorov's decision, saying: "This has to do with his beliefs and his religion. It's one thing I respect about [Provorov], he's always true to himself."
In a statement the Philadelphia Flyers said it is "committed to inclusivity and is proud to support the LGBTQ+ community".
The Flyers added that the rainbow-themed jerseys and sticks will be auctioned off to raise money for charities that "grow the game of hockey in diverse communities".
https://www.bbc.com/sport/ice-hockey/64317604
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Nobody should be forced to wear this. I am with Haneen Zreika.
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What ridiculous posts.
You cannot force others to follow something just because you believe in it. Maybe in india you can but not in the civil world.
In the past we have seen how sikhs wear the turban and laws were made to give them exemptions to wear it. The argument you used above, would you use the same argument for sikhs in the police force or armed forces as it is unhygenic to have such long hair.
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This Russian-American ice hockey player refused to wear an LGBTQ jersey. Radical liberals are calling him a "bigot".
If someone doesn't want to wear something, he shouldn't be forced. Radical liberals are turning into fascists.
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Radical liberals are already fascists!
Where are the so called PP torch bearers of Fos/E? On one hand they defend the right of a French publication mocking the dead in Turkey, yet on the other hand refuse to defend this Russian-American's right to free choice.
It is sickening, and I am glad more and more people are waking up to this fascist brand of liberalism.
I am sorry to hear you went through this but also I’d like to say that this is a very well balanced post and you have helped clarify my thoughts on this matter, thank you.
What an ignorant and ill informed post. An employee is obligated to follow its organisation’s policies and procedures but the organisation itself is obligated not to discriminate against a person on protected characteristics such as religion, race, sexuality and age. If an organisation does have discriminatory policies then it could face legal action in a court of law.
Let’s simplify this whole issue. Virtually all Muslims in 2023 don’t want to kill or hurt people with an LGBT background but I would suggest it fair to say that all most Muslims see it as a sin to engage in homosexuality and to promote it too.
Is it ethical and even legal for an organisation to ask a Muslim sports person to promote something such as homosexuality when it is a sin in their religion? Surely this is also discriminatory as you are telling an employee to sin against their faith or lose their job / be punished.
Pride and the rainbow is promoting LGBT and you should not be forced to do so.
I would however happily support a campaign promoting no violence and discrimination towards members of the LGBT community.
Is this not fair?
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Good on her for standing her ground. Liberalism really just mean "you have the freedom of speech and expression as long as what you are doing or saying matches our ideology, otherwise you should be banned or shunned."
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I respect and applaud all the brave athletes (including Haneen Zreikea) who stick to their principles.
Radical liberals shouldn't forget about religious rights while going nuts about LGBTQ rights.
No employee should be forced to wear anything political. People go to work to work; not for circus like this.
Radical liberals shouldn't forget about religious rights while going nuts about LGBTQ rights.
No employee should be forced to wear anything political. People go to work to work; not for circus like this.
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As per some posters, it is the organization's decision so the player should shut up, suppress her believes and get on with it. What if tomorrow some organization wants all members to don a Nazi swastika as part of their uniforms, what would the liberals say then?
Oh I forgot liberalism rules and ideals change on as-needed basis.
Oh I forgot liberalism rules and ideals change on as-needed basis.
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You seem to have one set of rules for one group and another set of rules for another group
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Russia is now an Orthodox Christian nation which is following the rules set out by their faith and by their Lord. Western liberals are backward in mindset not forward thinking advanced people as they claim to be. Two men having intimate relations is not only immoral but also a danger to health of themselves and society at large.
You do not sell out your faith/belief to please these clowns. Good on the Russian player.