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What would be your greatest ever non-Asian ODI XI of all-time?

Below is my pick: -

Adam Gilchrist (wkt)
Gordon Greenidge
Ricky Ponting(c)
Viv Richards
AB de Villiers
Michael Bevan
Lance Klusenar
Shaun Pollock/Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Joel Garner
Glenn McGrath

Discuss!
 
Adam Gilchrist (w)
Desmond Haynes
Ricky Ponting (c)
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Jaques Kallis
Lance Klusenar
Dennis Lillee
Shane Warne
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn McGrath
 
Adam Gilchrist
Grame Pollock
Viv Richards
Barry Richards
Dean Jones
Bevan
Flintoff
Klusner
Shaun Pollock
Warne
Marshall
 
This is really tough and some good teams selected....apart from Graeme Pollock making it into an ODI XI :/

Anyway, there can be so many different choices, I'll go with something like this:

1. Gilchrist wk
2. Smith
3. Ponting c
4. Viv
5. ABD
6. Hussey
7. Flintoff
8. Botham/Pollock
9. Warne
10. Marshall
11. McGrath
 
Adam Gilchrist
Grame Pollock
Viv Richards
Barry Richards
Dean Jones
Bevan
Flintoff
Klusner
Shaun Pollock
Warne
Marshall


Kudos to Barry Richards for making the all time ODI XI after never having played a ODI.
 
Graeme Pollock as well :facepalm:

He did have the highest list A score for a long time he could have been a top ODI batsman but you are going on potential if you select batsmen who didn't play One day internationals.
 
Finally an all time XI without Sachin, tired of seeing him in every line up.
 
Gilly (wk)
Hayden
Ponting
Lara
Viv
Bevan
Klusener
Warne (c)
Garner
Ambrose
McGrath
 
I did not know that criteria was only the players who have played OD . In that case it would be

Adam Gilchrist
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Dean Jones
Bevan
C. Cairns
Klusner
Pollock
Flintoff
Warne
Garner

Hahahaha, didnt know it was only for players that played ODI's. Why didnt you select Ronaldo then.
 
This is really tough and some good teams selected....apart from Graeme Pollock making it into an ODI XI :/

Anyway, there can be so many different choices, I'll go with something like this:

1. Gilchrist wk
2. <B>Smith</B>
3. Ponting c
4. Viv
5. ABD
6. Hussey
7. Flintoff
8. Botham/Pollock
9. Warne
10. Marshall
11. McGrath

What is the first name for the bolded part?
 
Among the players that your Bhaijaan has seen :-

Hayden
Gilchrist (wk)
Ponting
Lara
KP
Michael Hussey
Bevan
Klusener
Pollock
Warne
Lee
McGrath
 
Non-Asian All time XI:

1)Adam Gilchrist(Wk)
2)Jacques Kallis
3)Ricky Ponting(C)
4)Brian Lara
5)Viv Richards
6)Michael Bevan
7)Andrew Flintoff
8)Shaun Pollock
9)Shane Warne
10)Brett Lee
11)Glenn McGrath
 
1) Adam Gilchrist(wk)
2) Gordon Greenidge
3) Ricky Ponting
4) Viv Richards
5) Abd
6) Michael Bevan
7) Lance Klusener
8) Shaun Pollock
9) Shane Warne
10) Brett Lee
11) Glenn Mcgrath

Only problem can be of no part time bowlers other than richards but all the bowlers are great enough to atleast complete their quota even on bad days.
Batting is brilliant and is also very deep.
 
Non-Asian Current XI of players who are still active International cricketers:

1)Chris Gayle
2)Quinton De Kock(Wk)
3)Joe Root
4)Ross Taylor
5)Ben Stokes
6)Glenn Maxwell
7)Joss Buttler
8)Mitchell Starc
9)Kagiso Rabada
10)Imran Tahir
11)Trent Boult
 
Gilchrist
Gooch
Ponting
Lara
Viv
Bevan
Klusener
Flintoff
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath
 
My team combination will be 6 batsmen + specialist keeper + 3 pacers + 1 spinner. Out of 6 proper batsmen, two should be able to bowl at least 5 overs consistently to play the role of 5th bowler.


<b>1. Adam Gilchrist (Wicket keeper + Batsman)</b>
Widely regarded as the greatest wicket keeper batsman of all time, Gilchrist batted at almost 100 SR and has 2 50s and 1 100 in the 3 world cup finals he played. Gilchrist was a very safe keeper.

<b>2. Brian Lara (Batsman)</b>
Lara was the #1 ODI batsman until late 90s and his numbers as openers were amazing. He played some excellent innings as an opener including his 150+ score chasing 280 against Pakistan in Sharjah.

<b>3. Ricky Ponting (Captain + Batsman)</b>
Ponting won two world cups as captain and was the best batsman across all formats in the 2000s. His 2003 world cup final century against India is one of the most iconic innings ever played in a world cup.

<b>4. Viv Richards (Batsman)</b>
Richards is the greatest ODI batsman of all time for me. He batted at 90+ SR when most of his contemporaries had strike rates in 60s. He has a century in a world cup final and played the greatest ODI inning of 189 against England. Viv's part-time spin was also very useful.

<b>5. Andrew Symonds (Batting All-rounder)</b>
Symonds was an extremely explosive batsman and a useful part-time off-spinner. His world cup record is phenomenal. Symonds' 143 vs Pakistan in the 2003 world cup was one the best counter attacking innings ever played.

<b>6. Michael Bevan (Batsman) </b>
Bevan was the first ever finisher in ODI cricket and the first batsman to average 50+. Bevan was one of the most clutch batsmen the game has ever seen. The best of him was usually seen when the chips were down. Bevan single-handedly won games for Australia in hopeless situations. Bevan could also bowl some useful chinaman.

<b>7. Shane Watson (Batting All-rounder)</b>
Watson is a very underrated cricketer. To average 40+ with bat at 90+ SR and average in low 30s with the ball is no mean feat. Watson is also capable of muscling the bowl out of the park, definitely one of the cleanest striker of the ball the world has ever seen.

<b>8. Shane Warne (Spin Bowler)</b>
Warne is among the three greatest cricketers of all time. He is also among the most clutch world cup performers of all time. Warne's wizardry with the bowl is no secret. He played a a big role in Australia's two world cup wins.

<b>9. Mitchell Starc (Fast Bowler)</b>
Had Starc played in a more bowler friendly era bowling to less skilled batsmen of the past, his numbers would have been the best in the history of ODI cricket. Starc has pace and the ability to take wickets. His performance on the roads like pitches of Australia in the 2015 world cup was the major reason his team lifted the trophy.

<b>10. Shane Bond (Fast Bowler)</b>
Bond could move the ball at deadly pace. He dominated the GOAT Australian team at their best. His single handedly reduced India to 44/8 and that too in a game that was played in India. Bond's loss due to injuries was a tragedy and robbed cricket fans of more memorable bowling spells.

<b>11. Glenn McGrath (Fast Bowler)</b>
McGrath was hands down the most consistent bowler of all time. Consistency, ability to take out top order, dominance against the best batsmen of his time, world cup performance, you name it and McGrath had it. A lot of times, the match was already over by the time McGrath finished his first spell.
 
Having watched most World XI, I would make a change as Brian Lara in my team ahead of Gordon Greenidge who although I feel is underrated here as he was a leading run-scorer in 79 WC and has overall solid stats. The Strike Rate doesn't explain that he was an aggressive top order bat.

So, the XI for me will be:-

Gilchrist (wkt)
Lara
Ponting
Viv
AB
Bevan
Klusenar (Flintoff was close)
Starc(Pollock close)
Warne
Garner
McGrath

Reserves:-

Shaun Pollock
Andrew Flintoff
Richard Hadlee
Dean Jones

Of course, WC given more priority but bilaterals important as well. Many don't remember but Viv was a more than capable sixth bowling option and so was Bevan.
 
Non-Asian XI:-

Gilchrist (wkt)
Gayle
Ponting(c)
Viv
de Villiers
Bevan
Flintoff
Wasim
Warne
Bond
McGrath
 
Gilchrist+
AdV
Viv
Lara
Ponting
*Lloyd
C Cairns/Lance Kluesner
S Pollock
RJ Hadlee
Warne
McGrath
————
 
Gilchrist+
AdV
Viv
Lara
Ponting
*Lloyd
C Cairns/Lance Kluesner
S Pollock
RJ Hadlee
Warne
McGrath
————

Its surprising . It would be good if you explain some of your choices like Llyod and Haddle?
 
Its surprising . It would be good if you explain some of your choices like Llyod and Haddle?

Lloyd is one of the most under rated ODI players of all time. We tend to sort players by volume without understanding the context but from that generation (both played last game in early 1985), Zaheer & Lloyd are phenomenal players, despite very limited stats.

Lloyd played most of his career in AUS & ENG (In fact almost 60% of his career in AUS), and those days there were only 5-6 teams that you could play - no free bees; his 46 ODIs in AUS are mostly against the other 2 best teams of that era - AUS & PAK. Still his record of 44/79 in AUS for that era was bettered only by 2 players - Viv & Zaheer, but both played at 3, Lloyd matched them from 5-6. I don't have the detailed stats now, but Lloyd must have one of the highest % runs from boundaries, and remember he played his entire career when boundaries in AUS & UK were crowd (no rope, you have to send the ball into crowd to hit a SIX, even direct hits to ad boards were counted as four), and they used hand stitched balls - still with those hand made bats, on much heavier out-fields, guy was a monster hitter.

Without bouncer restrictions (it came after 1985), without fielding restrictions (till 1983 you could have put 9 men on line, Brearley put WK at long stop as well on last ball and still Viv flicked Hendricks for a six from half a yard out side off in 1979 Final), without free hit, guy had a stats like 40/81 for almost 2K runs, which in current context you can easily boast-up by 25%. And, he played for a team that hardly allowed him to pile up runs from No. 5/6 (missed batting 1/4th of his games). He was a savior of that WIN team - almost every time they were under trouble, Lloyd will be there to save them. Not only for non Asian XI, Lloyd will make a very good case of No. 6 at AT ODI XI, could bowl a bit as well .... and who else is better than him to lead such an star studded team?

Sir RJ Hadlee is the most under rated cricketer in PP, but he is the only cricketer to be Knighted when still active International cricketer and his achievements (ODI) is often over looked for his country profile. A loan wolf who could match bowling stats of any greats of any era. 21.56 average with 3.3 economy perfectly portraits the greatest metronome of all-time, who was almost impossible to hit with new ball. For his type only match could be the Aussie McGrath, but add to that RJ had a batting stats of 22/76 in that era, and he was one of the best gully/out-fielders of his time. For this spot, there were 3 other contenders actually - Garner, DK Lillee & Mike Holding. Despite phenomenal stats, I never felt DK is an ODI bowler - he simply didn't like to contain, wasn't interested in ODI much either (didn't play 1979 & 1983 WC), while Garners stats are manipulated for lots of tail cleaning in an era when last 4-5 players were expected to be effective with bowling only - personally I'll pick Holding over Garner in ODI as well, because Mike did the job in 1st spells. Among these four, Hadlee was by far the better batsman and probably as cunning as DK Lille with ball as well. Apart from pace, I think Hadlee & DK were the closest two fast bowlers you can imagine in terms of skills & mentality.

If there was a spot of 12th man, I would have picked Greg Chappell, but he doesn't make the XI over Lara. Could have picked him instead of Cairns, as Greg could bowl quite decent medium pace, but he is not a No. 6/7 batsman and my top 6 are better ODI players than Greg.

ODI is the only format where I'll pick bowling all-rounders, sacrificing a little in bowling - because in 10 overs what little difference that DK or Holding could do over Pollock & Hadlee (if any, I doubt) can be well compensated by the batting contribution. Test is more of a specialist game while T20 is too short to bring batting depth, hence 4X5 solid overs are key in T20.
 
Gilchrist+
AdV
Viv
Lara
Ponting
*Lloyd
C Cairns/Lance Kluesner
S Pollock
RJ Hadlee
Warne
McGrath
————

Pollock, Hadlee, and McGrath is a very one dimensional bowling attack. Pollock has a very poor world cup record as well while Hadlee averages 35 in tournament finals and semi-finals, definitely not the bowler for big occasions.
 
Gilchrist
Amla
Ponting
Viv
AB
Bevan
Klusener
Pollock
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath
 
Pollock, Hadlee, and McGrath is a very one dimensional bowling attack. Pollock has a very poor world cup record as well while Hadlee averages 35 in tournament finals and semi-finals, definitely not the bowler for big occasions.

Ideally, I would have dropped Pollock for Sir Gary, unfortunately his only ODI innings reads 0 (6). But, his List A stats reads 38 with bat and 21 with ball entirely in County circuits of 60s ...

If SF/F of ICC events is only criteria then probably AdV shouldn't be in this squad and SRT shouldn't be in any such squads. Apart from Polly, there is no all-rounder I can recall who could make it as bowler and contribute with bat. May be we can think of a 2nd spinner then but almost every great ODI spinner, spin bowling all-rounder is Asian. Since Viv bowls decent Off-spin, to complement Warne, we can think of Dudley (Underwood), or Dan Vettory.

Only other option I would consider is Brett Lee, who could hit out a bit and definitely will add another dimension to this attack. So may be the squad will have Vettory/Underwood, Lee, Greg Chappel & Mark Waugh to make it a 16 men squad. Just couldn't find a place for Mark, otherwise instead of AdV, he was perfect partner for Gilly.
 
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Ideally, I would have dropped Pollock for Sir Gary, unfortunately his only ODI innings reads 0 (6). But, his List A stats reads 38 with bat and 21 with ball entirely in County circuits of 60s ...

If SF/F of ICC events is only criteria then probably AdV shouldn't be in this squad and SRT shouldn't be in any such squads. Apart from Polly, there is no all-rounder I can recall who could make it as bowler and contribute with bat. May be we can think of a 2nd spinner then but almost every great ODI spinner, spin bowling all-rounder is Asian. Since Viv bowls decent Off-spin, to complement Warne, we can think of Dudley (Underwood), or Dan Vettory.

Only other option I would consider is Brett Lee, who could hit out a bit and definitely will add another dimension to this attack. So may be the squad will have Vettory/Underwood, Lee, Greg Chappel & Mark Waugh to make it a 16 men squad. Just couldn't find a place for Mark, otherwise instead of AdV, he was perfect partner for Gilly.

The difference between SRT and others is that he was the highest scorer in the 1996 world cup and almost every time performed against Pakistan. His overall record in tournament finals and semi-finals is also one of the best. ABD, I agree should be nowhere an ATG XI based on his tournament performances. You could open with Lara and include Bevan as your team is missing a finisher or even select Gayle or Symonds for some off-spin.
 
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