Greatest Pakistan ODI batsman?

[SLcric123]

Who do you think was the best ODI batsman to have come from Pakistan?

Miandad
Abbas
Inzy
Anwar
Yousuf

 

[Bilal7]

A tie between Inzamam and Anwar. One was a very good middle-order batsman while the other was a very good opener.

Pakistan have yet to produce a truly great ODI batsman, unlike in test cricket where we have had several. Babar Azam will hopefully be the first.

 

[Black Zero]

Inzi

 

[Amjid Javed]

Inzi

Not shoaib malik?

 

[Bilal7]

Zaheer Abbas was superb for the few matches he played. He was world class during his time and probably second best in the world but did not play enough to be called a true 'great'.

 

[aukhan]

Saeed Anwar.

 

[Black Zero]

Not shoaib malik?

Malik is next.

6800+ runs with 82+ SR (35+ avg)

Only Afridi got the higher SR (however he avgs ~24)

 

[SLcric123]

Zaheer Abbas was superb for the few matches he played. He was world class during his time and probably second best in the world but did not play enough to be called a true 'great'.

And Miandad??

 

[sshakir411]

Miandad for me. Never have we produced anyone more clutch. Pakistan's best batsman ever.

 

[SLcric123]

Anwar..pure class I think I will have to go.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yousuf, Inzi and Anwar from those who i have seen.

Pretty confident Babar will end up as the best.

 

[MMHS]

Zaheer
.
Javed
Saeed/Inzi
Mazid
MoYo

In that order - not sure whom to put ahead between Inzi & Saeed.

All time XII will have this order -

Saeed, Mazid
Zaheer, Javed, Inzi
Imran*, Razzak, Latif+
Wasim, Saq, Waquar/Qadir

 

[Zaz]

It ll be babar azam in 5 years time

 

[Black Zero]

Malik is next.

6800+ runs with 82+ SR (35+ avg)

Only Afridi got the higher SR (however he avgs ~24)

++

 

[CadPakFan]

Zaheer Abbas

 

[Hasan123]

Inzamam Ul Haq

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Shoaib Malik.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Javed Miandad

 

[jeetu]

I'll go with Javed Miandad

[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]2002-2015 [/td][td]162 [/td][td]5122 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]73.75 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]1998-2010 [/td][td]281 [/td][td]9554 [/td][td]42.08 [/td][td]74.91 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]62 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]1975-1996 [/td][td]233 [/td][td]7381 [/td][td]41.7 [/td][td]67.01 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq [/td][td]1991-2007 [/td][td]375 [/td][td]11701 [/td][td]39.53 [/td][td]74.2 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]83 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar [/td][td]1989-2003 [/td][td]247 [/td][td]8824 [/td][td]39.21 [/td][td]80.67 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]43 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]1999-2017 [/td][td]253 [/td][td]6846 [/td][td]35.47 [/td][td]82.09 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]40 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]2003-2017 [/td][td]191 [/td][td]5908 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]75.62 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik [/td][td]1982-1999 [/td][td]283 [/td][td]7170 [/td][td]32.88 [/td][td]76.41 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]47 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ijaz Ahmed [/td][td]1986-2000 [/td][td]250 [/td][td]6564 [/td][td]32.33 [/td][td]80.3 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rameez Raja [/td][td]1985-1997 [/td][td]198 [/td][td]5841 [/td][td]32.09 [/td][td]63.31 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan [/td][td]2000-2015 [/td][td]265 [/td][td]7249 [/td][td]31.24 [/td][td]75.29 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]48 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abdul Razzaq [/td][td]1996-2011 [/td][td]261 [/td][td]5031 [/td][td]29.94 [/td][td]81.67 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shahid Afridi [/td][td]1996-2015 [/td][td]393 [/td][td]8027 [/td][td]23.81 [/td][td]116.94 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[Black Zero]

I'll go with Javed Miandad

[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]2002-2015 [/td][td]162 [/td][td]5122 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]73.75 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]1998-2010 [/td][td]281 [/td][td]9554 [/td][td]42.08 [/td][td]74.91 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]62 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]1975-1996 [/td][td]233 [/td][td]7381 [/td][td]41.7 [/td][td]67.01 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq [/td][td]1991-2007 [/td][td]375 [/td][td]11701 [/td][td]39.53 [/td][td]74.2 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]83 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar [/td][td]1989-2003 [/td][td]247 [/td][td]8824 [/td][td]39.21 [/td][td]80.67 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]43 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shoaib Malik [/td][td]1999-2017 [/td][td]253 [/td][td]6846 [/td][td]35.47 [/td][td]82.09 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]40 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]2003-2017 [/td][td]191 [/td][td]5908 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]75.62 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik [/td][td]1982-1999 [/td][td]283 [/td][td]7170 [/td][td]32.88 [/td][td]76.41 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]47 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ijaz Ahmed [/td][td]1986-2000 [/td][td]250 [/td][td]6564 [/td][td]32.33 [/td][td]80.3 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rameez Raja [/td][td]1985-1997 [/td][td]198 [/td][td]5841 [/td][td]32.09 [/td][td]63.31 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan [/td][td]2000-2015 [/td][td]265 [/td][td]7249 [/td][td]31.24 [/td][td]75.29 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]48 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abdul Razzaq [/td][td]1996-2011 [/td][td]261 [/td][td]5031 [/td][td]29.94 [/td][td]81.67 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shahid Afridi [/td][td]1996-2015 [/td][td]393 [/td][td]8027 [/td][td]23.81 [/td][td]116.94 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

SR of 67 is too low...(basically you are making 200 in 50 overs, even low for that era....

 

[MMHS]

SR of 67 is too low...(basically you are making 200 in 50 overs, even low for that era....

Actually, apart from Viv & Zaheer, other's SR in that era was like (need to check for precise numbers)

Gooch - 63
Grineedge 61
AB 68
Greg 72
Gower 71
Haynes 67
Martin Crowe 70
Jones 71 ....
Vengsarkar 60s

Cricket wasn't so cheap then.

 

[Buffet]

Abbas followed by Miandad.

 

[Abdullah719]

SR of 67 is too low...(basically you are making 200 in 50 overs, even low for that era....

The end of Miandad's career skews these numbers. He was striking at 60 (avg 35) in the last 6-7 years of his career. Before that it was 46/71 type stats...

 

[Syed1]

Shoaib Malik since his return is by far the best ODI batsman we have ever produced.

Unfortunately you cannot expunge the stats of his earlier career from his overall stats.

 

[Black Zero]

The end of Miandad's career skews these numbers. He was striking at 60 (avg 35) in the last 6-7 years of his career. Before that it was 46/71 type stats...

I think we cannot pick and choose otherwise ithere will be no objectivity.

But lets entertain your argument, 46/71 is not much different as comparatively he is takin 3 more balls to score 4 more runs. (Before he used up 62 balls with below par SR vs used up 65 balls with below par SR)

As a general rule, higher avg with below par SR is more harmful to the team.

 

[Abdullah719]

I think we cannot pick and choose otherwise ithere will be no objectivity.

But lets entertain your argument, 46/71 is not much different as comparatively he is takin 3 more balls to score 4 more runs. (Before he used up 62 balls with below par SR vs used up 65 balls with below par SR)

As a general rule, higher avg with below par SR is more harmful to the team.

46/71 is excellent considering the era (late 70s, through 80s). That SR was not below-par at the time.

The 30/65 stats in the latter part of his career showed that he declined overall as a batsman and the SR was particularly below par.

Also with regards to the difference between SR 71 vs SR 65, the game evolved in the 90s with batsmen beginning to score with SRs of close to and higher than 80 such as Anwar, Aravinda, Ranatunga, Sachin etc. So SR 70 in late 70s and 80s would have been a good SR but it would have been just about average in the 90s.

 

[Black Zero]

Actually, apart from Viv & Zaheer, other's SR in that era was like (need to check for precise numbers)

Gooch - 63
Grineedge 61
AB 68
Greg 72
Gower 71
Haynes 67
Martin Crowe 70
Jones 71 ....
Vengsarkar 60s

Cricket wasn't so cheap then.

Miandad played upto 96 plus your point is not much relevant considering as we are looking for the best

Anyway for the sake of argument, lets look at the SR of Saleem Malik, Ijaz, Saeed, I think even Zander had a better SR who retired long before JM.

 

[Mamoon]

Zaheer was a class apart, followed by Miandad, Inzamam, Saeed, MoYo.

 

[Ab Fan]

Zaheer Abbas followed by Miandad.

 

[Black Zero]

46/71 is excellent considering the era (late 70s, through 80s). That SR was not below-par at the time.

The 30/65 stats in the latter part of his career showed that he declined overall as a batsman and the SR was particularly below par.

Also with regards to the difference between SR 71 vs SR 65, the game evolved in the 90s with batsmen beginning to score with SRs of close to and higher than 80 such as Anwar, Aravinda, Ranatunga, Sachin etc. So SR 70 in late 70s and 80s would have been a good SR but it would have been just about average in the 90s.

As I said, we cannot pick and choose. (It's feel like begging for mercy)
Anyway, please estabIish that in 80s, 213 in 50 overs, was par score. (I think QF 96WC was his last match so we can easily compare his SR with other pakistani players)

P.S. nothing against him just want to be objective.

 

[Abdullah719]

As I said, we cannot pick and choose. (It's feel like begging for mercy)
Anyway, please estabIish that in 80s, 213 in 50 overs, was par score. (I think QF 96WC was his last match so we can easily compare his SR with other pakistani players)

P.S. nothing against him just want to be objective.

It's widely accepted that he retired later than he should have and that he was a shadow of his former self by then. So if we're going to compare base stats then I don't see the harm in omitting the latter stages of his career. His status of an ODI batsman is not really in question when it comes to Pakistani batsmen. Only Zaheer Abbas is often rated higher.

The average SR during the 80s was 66.5.

 

[CricFan2012]

Miandaddy

 

[HateKiller]

Saeed Anwar. Class apart.

 

[Pak_lover6]

Saeed Anwer to me.

 

[Cric1234]

Shoaib Malik since his return is by far the best ODI batsman we have ever produced.

Unfortunately you cannot expunge the stats of his earlier career from his overall stats.

For a while he was one of the worst aswell however he's improved and now he's a decent ODI batsman how long will it last?

 

[msb314]

Shoaib Malik since his return is by far the best ODI batsman we have ever produced.

Unfortunately you cannot expunge the stats of his earlier career from his overall stats.

Maliks career was split into 4 stages IMO.

1999-2004 - when he bardly played a was a newbie at the international scene
2004-2009 - the prime of his career when he was our best ODI batsman. Do not know stats but he was insanely good in ODIs back then. Even Woolmer saw the long term potential in him and wanted him to play at no. 3 in ODI's
2009-2015 - his wilderness years when he became a ******** and a TTF and his performance declined with only 1 50 in 43 innings.
2015-Present - his resurgence that begin with his century against Zimbabwe in Lahore 2015. His stats I believe are avg of 50 at a SR 100 since then which are ATG numbers.

Overall he has had a good career and definitely a Pakistani great in ODI's.

 

[jeetu]

It's widely accepted that he retired later than he should have and that he was a shadow of his former self by then. So if we're going to compare base stats then I don't see the harm in omitting the latter stages of his career. His status of an ODI batsman is not really in question when it comes to Pakistani batsmen. Only Zaheer Abbas is often rated higher.

The average SR during the 80s was 66.5.

Javed's Miandad's Strike Rate over the year.

[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Career [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1975 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]77.61 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1976 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]65.27 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1977 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]72.99 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1978 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]11.4 [/td][td]38.25 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1979 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]15.33 [/td][td]90.19 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1980 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]15.66 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1981 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]194 [/td][td]32.33 [/td][td]76.07 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1982 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]501 [/td][td]83.5 [/td][td]82.13 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1983 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]293 [/td][td]41.85 [/td][td]69.26 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1984 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]475 [/td][td]31.66 [/td][td]66.71 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1985 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]721 [/td][td]45.06 [/td][td]73.04 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1986 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]632 [/td][td]48.61 [/td][td]69.52 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1987 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]1084 [/td][td]67.75 [/td][td]70.29 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1988 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]607 [/td][td]55.18 [/td][td]75.78 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1989 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]487 [/td][td]30.43 [/td][td]53.22 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1990 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]311 [/td][td]22.21 [/td][td]56.03 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1991 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]141 [/td][td]35.25 [/td][td]63.51 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1992 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]942 [/td][td]52.33 [/td][td]63.09 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1993 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]590 [/td][td]32.77 [/td][td]64.41 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]year 1996 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]51.92 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[/table]



At his peak (82-88) he had decent SR , with great average.
After that his form dipped alarmingly where both average and SR dipped.
He did had resurgence in 1992 (avg 50+) , but SR was still low for the era.