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Given the unfriendly / tracherous spin friendly wickets team India hosted this home season against Australia, New Zealand and England, also the last one that involved South Africa, makes me wonder what kind of wickets they will encounter when it's their turn to tour each of the above nations.

It surely won't be the batting paradise that they have encountered in their last tour of Australia, NZ or South Africa. Anything short of a green mamba would be an aberration.

Can't wait to see the likes of Rahul, Kohli, Pujara and Rahane featuring in those green mambas taking on the likes of Starc, Hazelwood, Steyn, Rabala, Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Southee.
 
The pitches were pretty decent for the India vs Australia series. I only had problems with the pitch in the first test in Pune, otherwise they were decent pitches. The pitch in the 4th match was the most suitable for Australia. They just blew it by letting the Indian pacers blow them away in the 2nd innings.
 
The pitches were pretty decent for the India vs Australia series. I only had problems with the pitch in the first test in Pune, otherwise they were decent pitches. The pitch in the 4th match was the most suitable for Australia. They just blew it by letting the Indian pacers blow them away in the 2nd innings.

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Except Pune test rest all were fine this season. Even against ENG/ Bdesh they were not spinning square and oppositions were putting up 350/ 400 scores.
 
Pitches vs England were turning tracks? Or the one vs Aus at Dharmshala was a turning track? or the one vs NZ at Eden was a turning track?

Watch some matches instead of letting your dislike speak

As for the green pitches, totally upto the home board to prepare what they feel best suits their team. And how we will do on those pitches? Watch the Lord's test in 2014, we would not go down without giving a good fight to these teams in their backyard.
 
Hilarious you guys still take him seriously.

These threads are meant to be read and chuckled.

I think this is well disguised trolling that has caught a lot of fish over the last year.
 
Hilarious you guys still take him seriously.

These threads are meant to be read and chuckled.

I think this is well disguised trolling that has caught a lot of fish over the last year.

may be he is right regarding green pitches but pitches were not that bad as i can see from the scorecards except the first test vs aussies..
 
Too much whingeing about our pitches.

Bar the odd one during an entire season they are the best test pitches going around right now.
 
Will be lovely if it happens our bowlers will come into the picture like Lords but then it will reversed next test so yeah atleast England won't go full on green.
 
I am not sure why I am heavily criticised when all I am advocating for is fair cricket.

How would you explain a debutant like Kuldeep Yadav running through the strong Aussie batting line up after they got to a thumping 131/1 at lunch. Or England falling apart the way they did in the final day of Chennai test match ?

The pitches have been so sub standard that they don't last beyond 2-3 days leave alone 5 full days of Test Match. It this gives unfair advantage to side bowling last. Pitches like Pune, Bengaluru or Nagpur have been outright substandard but even the others have been prepared considering it gives advantage to certain side.

To restore fairness and to give the Indian team a taste of their medicine when they tour overseas, the host nations must not be shy of preparing green mambas or bouncy tracks. That's all I am calling for.

I am not hateful of Indian team winning but winning fair and square is what has been lacking.
 
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I am not sure why I am heavily criticised when all I am advocating for is fair cricket.

How would you explain a debutant like Kuldeep Yadav running through the strong Aussie batting line up after they got to a thumping 131/1 at lunch. Or England falling apart the way they did in the final day of Chennai test match ?

The pitches have been so sub standard that they don't last beyond 2-3 days leave alone 5 full days of Test Match. It this gives unfair advantage to side bowling last. Pitches like Pune, Bengaluru or Nagpur have been outright substandard but even the others have been prepared considering it gives advantage to certain side.

To restore fairness and to give the Indian team a taste of their medicine when they tour overseas, the host nations must not be shy of preparing green mambas or bouncy tracks. That's all I am calling for.

I am not hateful of Indian team winning but winning fair and square is what has been lacking.

Strong batting line up !!! No, Australian team does not have a strong batting. Its heavily dependent on Steve smith.
 
I am not sure why I am heavily criticised when all I am advocating for is fair cricket.

How would you explain a debutant like Kuldeep Yadav running through the strong Aussie batting line up after they got to a thumping 131/1 at lunch. Or England falling apart the way they did in the final day of Chennai test match ?

The pitches have been so sub standard that they don't last beyond 2-3 days leave alone 5 full days of Test Match. It this gives unfair advantage to side bowling last. Pitches like Pune, Bengaluru or Nagpur have been outright substandard but even the others have been prepared considering it gives advantage to certain side.

To restore fairness and to give the Indian team a taste of their medicine when they tour overseas, the host nations must not be shy of preparing green mambas or bouncy tracks. That's all I am calling for.

I am not hateful of Indian team winning but winning fair and square is what has been lacking.

Forget my earlier post, suddenly i have nothing to do so i will attempt to try and make you understand why what happened, happened, though this would be a lot easier if you first read a lot about cricket and understand what it actually is, not to mention actually watching games rather than just looking at scoreboard and then coming to blab about conspiracies here also helps. So here it goes,

Firstly chennai pitch was a road, which is why england made 450+ and india replied with a 700, i hope you have conspiracies about this part atleast. What happened on the last day was not due to wicket but due to a bad tour and the resulting fatigue. You can go have a look at all wickets and you will see that barring 1 or maybe 2 atmost all the wickets that fell were down to bad shots by batsmen nothing to do with the pitch, i cannot explain why they played those shots though i am not a psychologist so please forgive me for that.

Kuldeep yadav got those wickets because of what he is rather than because of the pitch, any batsman hardly ever faces a china man in their whole careers so very few actually know how to handle them. But lets examine his wickets in the first innings just to assuage you doubts shall we

1. Warner - he is a bad player of spin i hope i don't have to explain that one to you, he was surviving dangerously in the first session riding his luck more than once, he tried going back to a fuller length ball and got beaten by bounce in the pitch not the turn, sort bounce which lyon and cummins are more used to than kuldeep yadav.

2. Handscomb - He could not read yadav off his hand like you should when playing a leggie which was the first problem for him, he looked uncomfortable against him from the onset due to that and was out because of the drift not the spin not the pitch but drift, so again can't blame the pitch for this one.

Now onto other stuff, so you reckon 3 pitches out of 17 were unfair

3. Maxwell - Had the same problem as handscomb, did not read the wrong one or the googly whatever you call it and got bowled, nothing to do with pitch or conditions.

4. Cummins - This was beautiful bowling, getting cummins to drive, he mistimed it giving kuldeep a simple catch.

Now onto other stuff, you reckon 3 pitches out of total 17 were unfair, about other pitches you say they still gave india advantage, well mate the game is played in india it is going to spin and not swing this is not england live with it, when india goes to south africa we won't get a spinning track we get a greenish track that's how it is. That is also the reason why i and others call you a troll, no england fan or cricketer had anything bad to say about pitches most called them docile but you the conspiratorial nut that you are call them dustbowls, NZ got a bloody green track for ***, again no fan or cricketer complained but you called them dustbowls too, and now the same tune for australia series.
 
I am not sure why I am heavily criticised when all I am advocating for is fair cricket.

How would you explain a debutant like Kuldeep Yadav running through the strong Aussie batting line up after they got to a thumping 131/1 at lunch.


Or England falling apart the way they did in the final day of Chennai test match ?

1. Kuldeep Yadav got wickets when the world's #1 and $2 (Jadeja and Ashwin) ranked bowlers didn't, and you credit the pitch rather that him?

2. England fell apart after India had scored 757/7. Again, blame the pitch rather than the English batsmen?
 
Forget my earlier post, suddenly i have nothing to do so i will attempt to try and make you understand why what happened, happened, though this would be a lot easier if you first read a lot about cricket and understand what it actually is, not to mention actually watching games rather than just looking at scoreboard and then coming to blab about conspiracies here also helps. So here it goes,

Firstly chennai pitch was a road, which is why england made 450+ and india replied with a 700, i hope you have conspiracies about this part atleast. What happened on the last day was not due to wicket but due to a bad tour and the resulting fatigue. You can go have a look at all wickets and you will see that barring 1 or maybe 2 atmost all the wickets that fell were down to bad shots by batsmen nothing to do with the pitch, i cannot explain why they played those shots though i am not a psychologist so please forgive me for that.

Kuldeep yadav got those wickets because of what he is rather than because of the pitch, any batsman hardly ever faces a china man in their whole careers so very few actually know how to handle them. But lets examine his wickets in the first innings just to assuage you doubts shall we

1. Warner - he is a bad player of spin i hope i don't have to explain that one to you, he was surviving dangerously in the first session riding his luck more than once, he tried going back to a fuller length ball and got beaten by bounce in the pitch not the turn, sort bounce which lyon and cummins are more used to than kuldeep yadav.

2. Handscomb - He could not read yadav off his hand like you should when playing a leggie which was the first problem for him, he looked uncomfortable against him from the onset due to that and was out because of the drift not the spin not the pitch but drift, so again can't blame the pitch for this one.

Now onto other stuff, so you reckon 3 pitches out of 17 were unfair

3. Maxwell - Had the same problem as handscomb, did not read the wrong one or the googly whatever you call it and got bowled, nothing to do with pitch or conditions.

4. Cummins - This was beautiful bowling, getting cummins to drive, he mistimed it giving kuldeep a simple catch.

Now onto other stuff, you reckon 3 pitches out of total 17 were unfair, about other pitches you say they still gave india advantage, well mate the game is played in india it is going to spin and not swing this is not england live with it, when india goes to south africa we won't get a spinning track we get a greenish track that's how it is. That is also the reason why i and others call you a troll, no england fan or cricketer had anything bad to say about pitches most called them docile but you the conspiratorial nut that you are call them dustbowls, NZ got a bloody green track for ***, again no fan or cricketer complained but you called them dustbowls too, and now the same tune for australia series.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. While the explanation has some gray areas when you brought in the subject of pschychology into the discussion, but has some logic for sure. Thanks again.
 
Then I see India winning a lot more. Green pitches are welcome. Just don't give us flat wickets. Great strategy. Thank you.
 
Great Performance by Ind to win especially after they batted 2nd in 3 of the tests. Aus will rue not getting 400 in the 1st innings, which despite Kuldeeps performance they should have got.
 
I am not sure why I am heavily criticised when all I am advocating for is fair cricket.

How would you explain a debutant like Kuldeep Yadav running through the strong Aussie batting line up after they got to a thumping 131/1 at lunch. Or England falling apart the way they did in the final day of Chennai test match ?

The pitches have been so sub standard that they don't last beyond 2-3 days leave alone 5 full days of Test Match. It this gives unfair advantage to side bowling last. Pitches like Pune, Bengaluru or Nagpur have been outright substandard but even the others have been prepared considering it gives advantage to certain side.

To restore fairness and to give the Indian team a taste of their medicine when they tour overseas, the host nations must not be shy of preparing green mambas or bouncy tracks. That's all I am calling for.

I am not hateful of Indian team winning but winning fair and square is what has been lacking.

England won 4 tosses out of 5 in that series and Australia won 3 tosses out of 4 here. Absolutely no reason for them to complain.
 
That's the best thing that could happen to Indian cricket. Given their pace attack, would win abroad a lot more. Shami, Yadav, Bhuvi and Ishant can take on any batting side on green tracks. It's the flat tracks abroad where they'll struggle.
 
This is a very novice thread by the OP, he is oblivious to the fact that you cannot play *** for tat by preparing a green track for a square turner simply because the grass cover keeps on wearing off as the game goes on and the pitch settles down after a while and even offers turn by the end of the test match which is the gradual transformation a pitch undergoes under normal circumstances, however, in case of an under prepared pitch as the match goes on it becomes unplayable and the unevenness takes skill out of a player and turns the game into a virtual lottery.

The first two pitches in this series have been utterly disgraceful but the last two surfaces have been perfect, perhaps BCCI can fathom here on, that a good surface allows a better chance for India to succeed than a doctored one where oppostion bowlers can become just as threatening and a possible embarrassment on the cards.
 
As long as India sticks to 5 bowler strategy, we should be winning more often than not.

Despite all the hate Ashwin has been getting, he has been the reason that India is winning rather than drawing games now. Jadeja clicking with bat is a huge plus. Shami, Umesh and Bhuvneshwar would be quite a lot to handle on green tracks. Even Sir Ishant can be hard to handle on green mambas.
 
The way to beat India is to have a flat pitch from days-2 to 5. On Day-1, make India bat on a pace friendly pitch.

Green pitches will only make ordinary bowlers look like ATG's. Something like that Rank Turner in Pune when O'Keefe became a Monster.
 
I am not sure why I am heavily criticised when all I am advocating for is fair cricket.

How would you explain a debutant like Kuldeep Yadav running through the strong Aussie batting line up after they got to a thumping 131/1 at lunch. Or England falling apart the way they did in the final day of Chennai test match ?

The pitches have been so sub standard that they don't last beyond 2-3 days leave alone 5 full days of Test Match. It this gives unfair advantage to side bowling last. Pitches like Pune, Bengaluru or Nagpur have been outright substandard but even the others have been prepared considering it gives advantage to certain side.

To restore fairness and to give the Indian team a taste of their medicine when they tour overseas, the host nations must not be shy of preparing green mambas or bouncy tracks. That's all I am calling for.

I am not hateful of Indian team winning but winning fair and square is what has been lacking.

So for you if ever a newcomer , inexperienced bowler was to take a few wickets or play a pivotal role - It's because the pitch is awful ? - Got it
 
As long as India sticks to 5 bowler strategy, we should be winning more often than not.

Despite all the hate Ashwin has been getting, he has been the reason that India is winning rather than drawing games now. Jadeja clicking with bat is a huge plus. Shami, Umesh and Bhuvneshwar would be quite a lot to handle on green tracks. Even Sir Ishant can be hard to handle on green mambas.

I don't think 5 bowler strategy is workable especially overseas when Indian Batting may struggle more than the bowling , you definitely need an extra batsman
 
Discounting the baits and lies in the OP.

If India get a green bouncy track they will do well.While our fast bowling may not be Pakistani class, Shami Bhuvi and Umesh will make life difficult for any batting line up on a green track.
 
I don't think 5 bowler strategy is workable especially overseas when Indian Batting may struggle more than the bowling , you definitely need an extra batsman

You need 20 wickets to win Test matches, an additional batsman can at best give u a draw once in awhile. A Batsman at number 7 will not do anything worthwhile to win you games.
 
The way to beat India is to have a flat pitch from days-2 to 5. On Day-1, make India bat on a pace friendly pitch.

The flaw in this theory is that you are setting up India to score 600+ runs in their second innings!
 
I am so happy to follow Indian test team post Dhoni. We now a days go with 5 bowlers and try to win, offence to defense always pays off :)
 
Given the unfriendly / tracherous spin friendly wickets team India hosted this home season against Australia, New Zealand and England, also the last one that involved South Africa, makes me wonder what kind of wickets they will encounter when it's their turn to tour each of the above nations.

It surely won't be the batting paradise that they have encountered in their last tour of Australia, NZ or South Africa. Anything short of a green mamba would be an aberration.

Can't wait to see the likes of Rahul, Kohli, Pujara and Rahane featuring in those green mambas taking on the likes of Starc, Hazelwood, Steyn, Rabala, Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Southee.

Except Pune and Nagpur pitch, all the pitches were sporty wickets
 
Discounting the baits and lies in the OP.

If India get a green bouncy track they will do well.While our fast bowling may not be Pakistani class, Shami Bhuvi and Umesh will make life difficult for any batting line up on a green track.

The only guy I see who can read between the lines. I agree with CJ bhai!
 
The only way to beat India is to have flat tracks and out bat them abroad......I mean if we get pitches like the ones during the Pak-Aus series,sure we will be in trouble....I mean Amir,Yasir and Wahab were getting tonked around for fun like a T20 game and Warner was hitting 100's at a rate in tests that would win 9/10 T20 games.

On a green pitch India will have the upper hand. like in Lords 2014.Even in South Africa or New-zealand,India was in with a shot to win them because the tracks were initially bowler friendly....once the tracks became flat is when the home teams could save face.
 
No harm in green Pitches, If India is the number 1 team then defintiely they need to perform regardless of the pitches , would be a good challenge
 
Only England and to some extent New zealand will be worthy opponents to us on green tracks...Aus is even worse than SC teams these days on pitches that seam.
 
India were completely smashed on their last two trips to england .
Failed to win a single game in australia , southafrica and newzealand .
So a green track is slightly unnecessary tbh .The indians are historically the worst travellers . Just prepare a normal track with a bit of help and avoid losing money on two day tests.
 
India were completely smashed on their last two trips to england .
Failed to win a single game in australia , southafrica and newzealand .
So a green track is slightly unnecessary tbh .The indians are historically the worst travellers . Just prepare a normal track with a bit of help and avoid losing money on two day tests.

Agreed but this team has evolved to be the rightful No.1's...players have gained a lot more experience and have found a standing in world cricket...the fast bowlers have improved leaps and bounds and the reserves are pretty solid. so won't go by history here.

But one thing I can derive from history is that you will miss pretty much every valid argument and go on a tangent here in 3....2....1
 
Agreed but this team has evolved to be the rightful No.1's...players have gained a lot more experience and have found a standing in world cricket...the fast bowlers have improved leaps and bounds and the reserves are pretty solid. so won't go by history here.

But one thing I can derive from history is that you will miss pretty much every valid argument and go on a tangent here in 3....2....1

Indian fast bowlers have always done better at home than abroad .
It remains to be seen how well this team does abroad .i am just going by recent history here .
Dont think the personall are different as such . More experienced perhaps.
 
More than hurting India these green pitches will also give India a chance to win a test. India can only manage to draw on away tours when flat pitches are served. Flat pitches negate our spin bowling advantage too and allow opposition to score freely.
 
You need 20 wickets to win Test matches, an additional batsman can at best give u a draw once in awhile. A Batsman at number 7 will not do anything worthwhile to win you games.

You also need to score quite handsomely in the first Innings or avoid a batting collapse in the last innings which may seem more likely to happen with a 5 bowler strategy.

With an extra batsman, India may not win but they also may not lose.
With an extra bowler, you may go for the win but you are more likely to lose.
 
Green pitches play to India's strength. There are no weaknesses in this team.
 
Anyone who saw how India performed against Kenya on a green PE track will know that India are clueless on green tracks

Kenya crush India in South Africa

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66103.html

Tendulkar , Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj etc.. these guys are India's great but they were clues against the Kenya bowling on a green track. Tendulkar scored 3 (2 runs were streaky edges) in 24 balls
 
Anyone who saw how India performed against Kenya on a green PE track will know that India are clueless on green tracks

Kenya crush India in South Africa

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66103.html

Tendulkar , Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj etc.. these guys are India's great but they were clues against the Kenya bowling on a green track. Tendulkar scored 3 (2 runs were streaky edges) in 24 balls

You can only produce 1 match 16 years ago as evidence?

That team had many good batting performances on green pitches. Even if they didn't, what bearing does that have on this team?
 
Anyone who saw how India performed against Kenya on a green PE track will know that India are clueless on green tracks

Kenya crush India in South Africa

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66103.html

Tendulkar , Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj etc.. these guys are India's great but they were clues against the Kenya bowling on a green track. Tendulkar scored 3 (2 runs were streaky edges) in 24 balls

One game. See the trend.
 
All the pitches talks aside. Fact is asian teams cant win tests in SA and aus.. to a certain extent also not in eng and nz.

While the SA eng and aus teams have won tests and even series in asia.
 
Anyone who saw how India performed against Kenya on a green PE track will know that India are clueless on green tracks

Kenya crush India in South Africa

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66103.html

Tendulkar , Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj etc.. these guys are India's great but they were clues against the Kenya bowling on a green track. Tendulkar scored 3 (2 runs were streaky edges) in 24 balls

3 greentops, 3 indian wins:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/current/match/667713.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/463147.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/249215.html
 
Hilarious you guys still take him seriously.

These threads are meant to be read and chuckled.

I think this is well disguised trolling that has caught a lot of fish over the last year.

exactly !!! This is some seriously sophisticated trolling ... that works all the time. Last time the genius said that umpire intervention was the need of the hour the moment pitches became unplayable :))
 
Bring it on. Rahane, Kohli, Vijay all did well overseas. Besides it is a myth Australia/England/SA are better sides in swinging conditions. When the conditions are helpful for fast bowlers they struggle equally. For the record Australia's biggest strength is flat pitch not fast pitch.
 
Bring it on. Rahane, Kohli, Vijay all did well overseas. Besides it is a myth Australia/England/SA are better sides in swinging conditions. When the conditions are helpful for fast bowlers they struggle equally. For the record Australia's biggest strength is flat pitch not fast pitch.

Australia relies on their batting just like India does. Moreover India has the best one/two punch in bowling, Umesh and Bhuvi. With Shami as 3 I think this is the most lethal combination of pace, control and swing. No one can match it.
 
You also need to score quite handsomely in the first Innings or avoid a batting collapse in the last innings which may seem more likely to happen with a 5 bowler strategy.

With an extra batsman, India may not win but they also may not lose.
With an extra bowler, you may go for the win but you are more likely to lose.

We have lost just one game in the last 25 games with 5 bowler strat. The only truly earned draw was by England in the first game against 5 bowlers, we missed on winning the 3rd test against Australia becoz we lacked a bowler on the final day. Also, the extra batsman (Nair) didn't do anything for the team at all.
 
We have lost just one game in the last 25 games with 5 bowler strat. The only truly earned draw was by England in the first game against 5 bowlers, we missed on winning the 3rd test against Australia becoz we lacked a bowler on the final day. Also, the extra batsman (Nair) didn't do anything for the team at all.

Poor decision making or lack of production from the 6th batsman isn't a flaw in the strategy. with a 5 bowler start , How many of those games have been in India and how many have been overseas ?
 
Pitches were actually pretty fair. Dont know about the NZ conditions. India just played better cricket than everyone. Well done to the Ozzies tho for fighting hard till the last innings. Was an awesome series overall.
 
wicket in the last game actually suited more to Australia at least for couple of days.. In fact the wicket had a lot of bounce throughout the game.
 
Hopes are high that this team has enough experience now to not get embarrassed abroad like in previous two cycles.
 
The only guy I see who can read between the lines. I agree with CJ bhai!

thats not the correct logic though

the issue is that indian batsmen are likely not experienced and maybe not equipped to play on green mambas

ofcourse the indian pacers will get good purchase but they will be up against a lineup better equipped for such tracks if they are indeed rolled out
 
India will be whitewashed in South Africa, Steyn will be back soon, Philander, Rabada, Morkel, Maharaj, all will destroy Indian batting, and De Kock alone will be a handfull for Indians, (remember those 3 consecutive 100s when he was only 21), he's become so good in tests as well, let's not even discuss other SA batsmen.
Indians laugh while you still can, sadness awaits you in the future. :D
:steyn
 
India will be whitewashed in South Africa, Steyn will be back soon, Philander, Rabada, Morkel, Maharaj, all will destroy Indian batting, and De Kock alone will be a handfull for Indians, (remember those 3 consecutive 100s when he was only 21), he's become so good in tests as well, let's not even discuss other SA batsmen.
Indians laugh while you still can, sadness awaits you in the future. :D
:steyn

we didnt get whitewashed last time we toured to england, aussies,newzealand, south africa and that too with a completly new young team.......come with some facts.....so that people can debate atleast......This team is experienced so we do expect it to win abroad . lets see ...but this team has it in them...just bowlers have to take 20 wickets olus i hope our slip fielding wont disappoint
 
Aus will make the pitches so they are most likely to provide a five day match. Aussie curators will not be out to make pitches that catch India out. It would not be a victory for the aussies if they need to stoop to pitch doctoring.

I hope they post a link to where I said India doctored the pitch
 
we didnt get whitewashed last time we toured to england, aussies,newzealand, south africa and that too with a completly new young team.......come with some facts.....so that people can debate atleast......This team is experienced so we do expect it to win abroad . lets see ...but this team has it in them...just bowlers have to take 20 wickets olus i hope our slip fielding wont disappoint

alas you don't know what happened tha last time India visited South Africa, you must have started following cricket only recently.
In the first test, SA only needed 8 runs to win the match but they ran out of overs and India was saved by luck and got a draw.
In the second match India was thrashed by South Africans, lost by 10 wickets. Could have been a 2-0 whitewash if South Africa had a little more luck with them. The ODI series was a complete disapointment for Indians as well, they lost 2-0 with 1 match rained off after SA batted, which would have completed the whitewash.
 
Poor decision making or lack of production from the 6th batsman isn't a flaw in the strategy. with a 5 bowler start , How many of those games have been in India and how many have been overseas ?

When was the last time India had such a long winning streak with so little draws. India had been the land of draw tests since ages but that has changed. Your question simply changes the point.

With 5 bowler strat being used India has faced 1 loss and 7 draws (of which 5 were due to atleast a full day being washed out by rain, only real draw England) while against Australia we missed out on 5th bowler.

It doesn't matter where the game was being held, the number of times Indian bowlers are taking 20 wickets in a test match has spiked considerably with 5 bowlers being used.
 
alas you don't know what happened tha last time India visited South Africa, you must have started following cricket only recently.
In the first test, SA only needed 8 runs to win the match but they ran out of overs and India was saved by luck and got a draw.
In the second match India was thrashed by South Africans, lost by 10 wickets. Could have been a 2-0 whitewash if South Africa had a little more luck with them. The ODI series was a complete disapointment for Indians as well, they lost 2-0 with 1 match rained off after SA batted, which would have completed the whitewash.

I watched cricket that's why i am saying....dnt use cud wud. ....we have alot of cud wud to use in alot of deries where result cud have been different. ....so only talk about tests,if you want to talk abt odis we can talk abt it also seperately....but in tests we were not whitewashes in any of these countries when we visited last time...okkk..
 

South Africa got murdered in that match! 80 odd runs in 1st innings. If they batted first in that match, they would have made themselves even embarrassing in both innings. Green Tops normally ease out on 4th/5th day in contrast to rank turners which are dangerous on all 5 days (Actually match doesn't go beyond 3 days). Such home advantages (Green Track / Rank Turner) can sometimes embarrass the home team itself!
 
Steyn, Rabada, Philander, Morkel, Maharaj, this bowling attack is enough for taking 20 wickets of India for fun, De Kock will also enjoy India series like a birthday cake, expecting tons from him again both in tests and ODIs
 
When was the last time India had such a long winning streak with so little draws. India had been the land of draw tests since ages but that has changed. Your question simply changes the point.

With 5 bowler strat being used India has faced 1 loss and 7 draws (of which 5 were due to atleast a full day being washed out by rain, only real draw England) while against Australia we missed out on 5th bowler.

It doesn't matter where the game was being held, the number of times Indian bowlers are taking 20 wickets in a test match has spiked considerably with 5 bowlers being used.

You are pretty correct with 5 bowlers strategy! India has to stick with it for some time. (Even in overseas that will mean that we will have 3 pacers & play both Jadeja & Ashwin. If either of these are not fit or out of form they should be replaced with some other bowler. But still stick with 5 bowlers strategy) But only thing is No.6, 7 & 8 should contribute with the bat with some consistency as they are doing now!
 
thats not the correct logic though

the issue is that indian batsmen are likely not experienced and maybe not equipped to play on green mambas

ofcourse the indian pacers will get good purchase but they will be up against a lineup better equipped for such tracks if they are indeed rolled out

On the contrary, I think the Indians did well on a green mamba (most recently Lords 2014). Except Kohli, I think this team would handle seam movement well. It should also be noted that only a few players from other teams are also equipped to play on green mambas.

The main enemy for india is bounce (quick bounce) and they might need to conquer it if they might want to win anything abroad.

I agree with you regarding the Indian bowlers getting purchase out of green pitches abroad, however, I would hold my horses. I have seen far too many false dawns to get excited.

I totally agree with Kohli (probably the only thing i agree from the press conference) is that there is cautious excitement reg this home season. Everyone expected india to win and they did. Challenge is to win abroad. Time is running out and these folks may or may not get another chance!
 
A lot of bitterness in this thread. Wonder why!

I remember a bunch of us congratulating Pakistan for their effort at Brisbane. It is just a sport!
 
On the contrary, I think the Indians did well on a green mamba (most recently Lords 2014). Except Kohli, I think this team would handle seam movement well. It should also be noted that only a few players from other teams are also equipped to play on green mambas.

The main enemy for india is bounce (quick bounce) and they might need to conquer it if they might want to win anything abroad.

I agree with you regarding the Indian bowlers getting purchase out of green pitches abroad, however, I would hold my horses. I have seen far too many false dawns to get excited.

I totally agree with Kohli (probably the only thing i agree from the press conference) is that there is cautious excitement reg this home season. Everyone expected india to win and they did. Challenge is to win abroad. Time is running out and these folks may or may not get another chance!

Bro, nowadays pitches in Australia and England have become flatter, they are prepared to last full five days and lack the seam movement and bounce which we used to see in the 80's and 90's.

We drew in England 2-2, the pitches lacked any spice, Anderson and Broad failed to make any impression which is rare. Ross Taylor nearly scored a triple and an Azhar Ali scored a double in Australia.

I'm sure India will beat England & Australia at their own backyard.
 
Bro, nowadays pitches in Australia and England have become flatter, they are prepared to last full five days and lack the seam movement and bounce which we used to see in the 80's and 90's.

We drew in England 2-2, the pitches lacked any spice, Anderson and Broad failed to make any impression which is rare. Ross Taylor nearly scored a triple and an Azhar Ali scored a double in Australia.

I'm sure India will beat England & Australia at their own backyard.

England - may be a test or 2, but a 5 test series is not possible IMHO. Australia & SA are a whole another beast, I don't foresee that happening. A test or 2 would be a good result.

The thing is when India tours, the countries are mindful of the pitches they were served and eventually dish out pitches which have far too much grass or bounce than what it was served to say a Pak or SL. Taking nothing away from Pak and SL who are the last 2 teams from Asia to draw and win a series in Eng respectively.

Australian pitches are flat and true and then it becomes a fitness contest, he who is the fittest scores the largest. Warner scores runs for fun and piles them on. For India to win in Aus, Eng and SA, every member of the 11 needs to be performing at their peak which i do not see happening.
 
Well disguised brilliant trolling by the Originator. My salutes.
Indeed this series was fought extremely hard and turned out to be one of best contests in the recent days.

That said, I totally agree that this Indian team will be destroyed in 3-4 days when they play in England or Aus on conditions helpful to fast bowling. Only youngsters who grew up watching IPL cricket will disagree with me.

(As my handle indicates Sunny, Veeru and Dravid are my idols.)
 
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Green Tracks offering sharp movements.

Green tracks are akin to indian rank turners early in the game. It keeps indian bowling in the game and if indian bowling skittles the opposition and when conditions ease our batsman can take advantage. This is what is normally happening with wins outside of india.

It is a gamble because u have to win the toss to take advantage of the conditions because grass will not survive more than a day
 
Green tracks are akin to indian rank turners early in the game. It keeps indian bowling in the game and if indian bowling skittles the opposition and when conditions ease our batsman can take advantage. This is what is normally happening with wins outside of india.

It is a gamble because u have to win the toss to take advantage of the conditions because grass will not survive more than a day

When was the last time it happened in England or Aus ( talking about real cricket i.e tests )? during the time of Ganguly and Fab5. We only produce IPL batsmen now.
 
Green tracks are akin to indian rank turners early in the game. It keeps indian bowling in the game and if indian bowling skittles the opposition and when conditions ease our batsman can take advantage. This is what is normally happening with wins outside of india.

It is a gamble because u have to win the toss to take advantage of the conditions because grass will not survive more than a day

Green mambas > rank turners

Green pitches eventually flatten out and even on first day there is movement and seam but it can be negotiated with a solid technique

On rank turners you get the odd shooters or sharp turn and bounce which no one can predict or confidently face
 
Thats what i was saying sir because the match becomes a lottery as the conditions change the next day and toss is very crucial unlike in rank turners where both teams have a chance atleast in first innings unlike green mamba where team batting first has distinct disadvantage
 
When was the last time it happened in England or Aus ( talking about real cricket i.e tests )? during the time of Ganguly and Fab5. We only produce IPL batsmen now.

Even if our batting is poor we had drawn winnable matches because our bowlers failed to perform when batsman performed well.

U can look through recent records it will show india has the least number of sub 100 scores compared to others
 
Only a few pitches turned from Day 1; rest were typical subcontinent pitches. Stop the inferiority complex that somehow the ultimate test of a cricketer is to perform well in England or Australia or South Africa. Pitches turning square on Day 1 is the same as the ball swinging/seaming meters on Day 1.

The only improvement needed is to reduce the # of pitches that get these unreasonably wide cracks, usually due to the dry atmosphere in some areas. This is the major challenge for curators
 
Only a few pitches turned from Day 1; rest were typical subcontinent pitches. Stop the inferiority complex that somehow the ultimate test of a cricketer is to perform well in England or Australia or South Africa. Pitches turning square on Day 1 is the same as the ball swinging/seaming meters on Day 1.

The only improvement needed is to reduce the # of pitches that get these unreasonably wide cracks, usually due to the dry atmosphere in some areas. This is the major challenge for curators

Correct.
 
Only a few pitches turned from Day 1; rest were typical subcontinent pitches. Stop the inferiority complex that somehow the ultimate test of a cricketer is to perform well in England or Australia or South Africa. Pitches turning square on Day 1 is the same as the ball swinging/seaming meters on Day 1.

The only improvement needed is to reduce the # of pitches that get these unreasonably wide cracks, usually due to the dry atmosphere in some areas. This is the major challenge for curators

I am an old school. For me ultimate and real test victory will be when we match or fight hard against current England and Auss in their backyards. These test victories at Home and test #1 are absolute Jokes. Like I said, I consider 2003-04 Australia Tour as one my all time favorites.
 
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I am an old school. For me ultimate and real test victory will be when we match or fight hard against current England and Auss in their backyards. These test victories at Home and test #1 are absolute Jokes. Like I said, I consider 2003-04 Australia Tour as one my all time favorites.

We are old school here also! Welcome to PP!
 
Whats the point in playing four back to back home series and rank ourself # 1 ! Totally flawed ranking system.
 
I am an old school. For me ultimate and real test victory will be when we match or fight hard against current England and Auss in their backyards. These test victories at Home and test #1 are absolute Jokes. Like I said, I consider 2003-04 Australia Tour as one my all time favorites.

Looks like you don't understand what is actually difficult about playing overseas. If India can beat Australia on a pitch almost exactly like one in Australia, then there isn't too much difference.

Whats the point in playing four back to back home series and rank ourself # 1 ! Totally flawed ranking system.

India was #1 before these home series, but don't let facts get in your way.
 
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