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Growing anger in Gulf over Muslim bashing in India

Not sure if you ever lived in India but let me tell you something from my own personal experience. Most muslims in India never considered or loved India as their own country. Since independence, hoardes of muslims stayed back in divided India, enjoyed all the benefits of a secular nation (which they should) but never really accepted India from their heart. I must also add that this behavior was mostly evident with muslims living in Northern or Eastern part of India while South Indian muslims were much more patriotic. Never lived in western parts of India...so cant comment.

As a kid I used to live in a small town in Bihar and there were lots of muslims in my area who were our good friends...used to play with us etc. But they all used to absolutely love Pakistan and hated India. I am not kidding....until I got little old, I used to honestly think they are actually from Pakistan. If Pak beat India in a cricket match....they used to openly celebrate with firecrackers. Not only that...they used to celebrate even when India lost against other teams. Still remember that infamous whole night celebration when SL beat us in 1996 semi finals. Ofcourse now under BJP/Modi era, people would not dare to openly support Pakistan and everyone wants to be politically correct with so much social media scrutiny around. But no such thing back then....it was all on open. That was the kind of liberalism congress had set back then where liberalism meant openly hating India. I will never forget those glorious days and I dont need any twitter account to tell me what is the truth in India.

No I haven't lived in India and have had very little experience with Muslims from India to be able to argue against what you experienced and observed.

Growing up in Pakistan there was always a widespread support for people of Kashmir and a call to help them out both by the state and the public. There was never a point where this sentiment was shared for rest of Muslims in India too, while we were always made to think they are happy with their lives and don't want to have to do anything with Pakistan.
 
People still hung up on a few tweets by unknown/little known arabs.

Posting tweets by Indians in India. Lol. They dont follow foreign laws, nor will anyone force them to.

It is another thing if those unknown/little known Arabs had tweeted about the ugly face of RSS ideology once some weeks ago and opportunists were still leeching on to those few tweets but the reality is that they are tweeting about it non-stop for weeks now, which is interesting to observe and even I get to know more about Hindutva ideology. Before I used to think that all this BJP and Modi hate in Pakistan was just part of the usual discourse but now I am becoming aware that it's a much deeper issue than that.

The only reason tweets from Indians in India got any attention was to show how they initially tried to play smarty-pants by using ugly tactics and when things went out of control they tried to shift the blame somehow to Pakistani authorities.
 
Nobody is even talking about this issue in Indian media circles or forums . Only a few Pakistanis are getting over-excited at the prospect of Arabs uniting against Hindutva lol.

Except for the former Indian Bureaucrats.

101 Ex-Bureaucrats Write To Chief Ministers Over "Harassment" Of Muslims

These bureaucrats include former cabinet secretary KM Chandrasekhar, former IPS officers AS Dulat and Julio Ribeiro, former chief information commissioner Wajahat Habibullah, former Lt Governor of Delhi Najeeb Jung and former chief election commissioner SY Quraishi.

New Delhi: As many as 101 former bureaucrats have written to the Chief Ministers of states expressing anguish over the "harassment" of Muslims in some parts of the country.

They termed as "misguided and condemnable" the action of Tablighi Jamaat in organising a meeting in Delhi, but mentioned the "utterly irresponsible and reprehensible" action of a section of media in fuelling hostility towards the Muslims.

"The fear and insecurity generated by the pandemic is sought to be channelled into the "othering" of the Muslim community in different places to keep them out of public spaces, purportedly to protect the rest of the population," the former civil servants said in an open letter.

The entire country is going through unprecedented trauma, they said.

"We can endure, survive and overcome the challenges that this pandemic has imposed on us only by remaining united and helping each other," they said, and lauded those chief ministers who have been resolutely secular in their approach both in general and, in particular, in relation to this pandemic.

These 101 former civil servants belong to the all-India and central services, from all over India and said they "do not subscribe to any particular political ideology but rather focus on issues that have a bearing upon the Indian Constitution".

"It is with much anguish that we bring to your attention reports of harassment of Muslims in some parts of the country, particularly following the meeting of the Tablighi Jamaat in March in the Nizamuddin area of New Delhi," the letter said, as reported by news agency Press Trust of India.

The Jamaat was criticised for ignoring the principle of social distancing when cases of COVID-19 had started emerging in the country,it said.

Although this was hardly the only incident of such gatherings, both political and religious, sections of the media hastened to give a communal colour to COVID-19, including attributing motives to the Tablighi Jamaat in spreading the virus to different parts of the country, the letter said.

"The action of the Jamaat in organising such an event, ignoring the Delhi government''s advisories was, without question, misguided and condemnable. However, the action of the media in communalising it and extending it to the Muslim community as a whole is utterly irresponsible and reprehensible," it said.

Such coverage has fuelled hostility towards the Muslim community in parts of the country, the former bureaucrats said, citing different incidents of alleged bias towards Muslim.

"More disturbingly, reports of discrimination are also coming in from various places about Muslims being turned away from hospitals and health facilities," the letter said.

"In addition, there are reports of the special entitlements of rations and cash, that governments have sanctioned at this time, being denied to Muslim families," they former civil servants claimed.

"We call upon you to reassure all the people in your state that by following the instructions for social distancing and the practices regarding using face covering and hand washing, they can keep safe from COVID-19. It needs to be emphasized that there is no truth whatsoever in the rumours that any particular group has more infections than others in our country," they said in the letter, accessed by news agency Press Trust of India.

The former bureaucrats said some Muslim nations with whom India has traditionally maintained good relations have expressed serious concerns about the recent development in the country.

"Millions of our fellow citizens live and work in these countries. There has been serious concern expressed in these countries about the recent developments. We should ensure, through our non-discriminatory action and relief measures, that the minorities have nothing to fear in India. This will help assuage the misgivings of these countries and avoid any consequential detriment to the prospects of the sizable Indian diaspora there," the letter said, reported news agency PTI.

The former civil servants requested the Chief Ministers to instruct all public functionaries to be particularly vigilant to prevent social boycott of any community in the state and to ensure that all the entitlements including medical and hospital care, rations and financial assistance are available equally to all those in need.

"At this time of grave national and international crisis, we count on your leadership in bringing the people of India together rather than allowing the deepening of fissures in our country," they said.

These bureaucrats include former cabinet secretary KM Chandrasekhar, former IPS officers AS Dulat and Julio Ribeiro, former chief information commissioner Wajahat Habibullah, former Lt Governor of Delhi Najeeb Jung and former chief election commissioner SY Quraishi

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/101...rs-over-alleged-harassment-of-muslims-2218027

Indian Media was quick to jump on reports of minority discrimination in Pakistan, some of which was fake, but still it was a good thing since the public in Pakistan actively looked into the issue and reached out to minorities.

It's a shame that the same Indian Media through its one sided and sensationalist reporting fueled hostility towards minorities as observed by Indian ex-Bureaucrats, which happen to be Indians in India.

Bikao Media?
 
Fascinating reloes from our Indian friends. Why has nobody with an indian flag come on here to condemn the statements of the BJP that have been posted on this thread? Instead we get roundabout discussions about Jinnah and he said she said.

Perhaps support for a Muslim genocide is ingrained? Perhaps it is too late to change the course India has set itself on?

As I have said before, there is a difference between the arab street and arab leadership. These social media posts will begin to hit home slowly but surely. Their effect will be felt in work places, bazaars, shops, everyday life. Arabs may start to question Hindu colleagues about their thoughts. Not knowing the propensity of "bhagal main churi" amongst the bhakts. Arabs may start looking into the Hindu religion and start to question aspects of it by comparing it to their own religion e.g. the caste system etc.

The ordinary arab may start to ask "wait why are they killing my Muslim brothers so heinously". Does my hinud work colleague hold thes same views? They may suddenly look and see all these high flying Indian Hindu executives sitting in companies and other employment who employ more hindus rather than Muslims and question their behaviour. To the point where slowly a movement grows amongst the influential that will look to appease the street. And remember arab rulers will always rather appease the street first.
 
Fascinating reloes from our Indian friends. Why has nobody with an indian flag come on here to condemn the statements of the BJP that have been posted on this thread? Instead we get roundabout discussions about Jinnah and he said she said.

Perhaps support for a Muslim genocide is ingrained? Perhaps it is too late to change the course India has set itself on?

As I have said before, there is a difference between the arab street and arab leadership. These social media posts will begin to hit home slowly but surely. Their effect will be felt in work places, bazaars, shops, everyday life. Arabs may start to question Hindu colleagues about their thoughts. Not knowing the propensity of "bhagal main churi" amongst the bhakts. Arabs may start looking into the Hindu religion and start to question aspects of it by comparing it to their own religion e.g. the caste system etc.

The ordinary arab may start to ask "wait why are they killing my Muslim brothers so heinously". Does my hinud work colleague hold thes same views? They may suddenly look and see all these high flying Indian Hindu executives sitting in companies and other employment who employ more hindus rather than Muslims and question their behaviour. To the point where slowly a movement grows amongst the influential that will look to appease the street. And remember arab rulers will always rather appease the street first.

If what you say is true, you need to worry even more for the muslims of India, because like I stated on an earlier post the Arabs on the street if they take it out on Indians in the gulf, they will be taking it out on the south indians whom are the majority of Indians in the gulf and also are mostly anti BJP.

So this will:

- Make BJP very happy.
- The secular south indians may suddenly start supporting BJP as a result of muslim Arab mis treatment

all this =

Things getting worse for Indian muslims.

So as a Pakistani, you need to worry about the Indian Muslims via UMMAH and hope that the Arabs on the street wont mistreat those gulf Indians...
 
Fascinating reloes from our Indian friends. Why has nobody with an indian flag come on here to condemn the statements of the BJP that have been posted on this thread? Instead we get roundabout discussions about Jinnah and he said she said.

Perhaps support for a Muslim genocide is ingrained? Perhaps it is too late to change the course India has set itself on?

As I have said before, there is a difference between the arab street and arab leadership. These social media posts will begin to hit home slowly but surely. Their effect will be felt in work places, bazaars, shops, everyday life. Arabs may start to question Hindu colleagues about their thoughts. Not knowing the propensity of "bhagal main churi" amongst the bhakts. Arabs may start looking into the Hindu religion and start to question aspects of it by comparing it to their own religion e.g. the caste system etc.

The ordinary arab may start to ask "wait why are they killing my Muslim brothers so heinously". Does my hinud work colleague hold thes same views? They may suddenly look and see all these high flying Indian Hindu executives sitting in companies and other employment who employ more hindus rather than Muslims and question their behaviour. To the point where slowly a movement grows amongst the influential that will look to appease the street. And remember arab rulers will always rather appease the street first.
Can you show me any of your post from last few years condemning atrocities against minorities in pakistan.
 
Don't close your eyes.

These reactions were not seen 10-15 years ago.
There must be a reason why something that was not prevalent 10 years ago is happening now.

What reaction? Few arabs Tweeting?10-15 years ago, was there a Twitter?

Has one govt made any official statement?
 
Can you show me any of your post from last few years condemning atrocities against minorities in pakistan.

whataboutery from bhakts..go and search and you will find them..now do you condemn the BJP and the RSS for their atrocities? YES OR NO..
 
Fascinating reloes from our Indian friends. Why has nobody with an indian flag come on here to condemn the statements of the BJP that have been posted on this thread? Instead we get roundabout discussions about Jinnah and he said she said.

Perhaps support for a Muslim genocide is ingrained? Perhaps it is too late to change the course India has set itself on?

As I have said before, there is a difference between the arab street and arab leadership. These social media posts will begin to hit home slowly but surely. Their effect will be felt in work places, bazaars, shops, everyday life. Arabs may start to question Hindu colleagues about their thoughts. Not knowing the propensity of "bhagal main churi" amongst the bhakts. Arabs may start looking into the Hindu religion and start to question aspects of it by comparing it to their own religion e.g. the caste system etc.

The ordinary arab may start to ask "wait why are they killing my Muslim brothers so heinously". Does my hinud work colleague hold thes same views? They may suddenly look and see all these high flying Indian Hindu executives sitting in companies and other employment who employ more hindus rather than Muslims and question their behaviour. To the point where slowly a movement grows amongst the influential that will look to appease the street. And remember arab rulers will always rather appease the street first.

And then you will wake up from your dreams.

How long will you guys dream about everyone rising up againist Indians or Hindus?
 
If what you say is true, you need to worry even more for the muslims of India, because like I stated on an earlier post the Arabs on the street if they take it out on Indians in the gulf, they will be taking it out on the south indians whom are the majority of Indians in the gulf and also are mostly anti BJP.

So this will:

- Make BJP very happy.
- The secular south indians may suddenly start supporting BJP as a result of muslim Arab mis treatment

all this =

Things getting worse for Indian muslims.

So as a Pakistani, you need to worry about the Indian Muslims via UMMAH and hope that the Arabs on the street wont mistreat those gulf Indians...

Not denying any of what you have said. i am als not cheerleading for anything to happen to Indians in the gulf. what i am trying to say is that the party in charge in India and its numerous crazy fascist supporters could cause problems to Indians in Muslim countries. And this is how that could potentially happen. It may not happen. It may all blow over but remember the arab populace is small, social media coverage and hits doesnt have to be large for word to get around.
 
I searched but I can't find any that's why i asked you.

why did you search in the first place? to try and deflect from what you are? Do you support the fascism of your govt or not..forget what my beliefs are for a moment, you can open a separate thread on this forum. By the way I condemn ISIS, AQ and the takfeeris, Search for me and Khwarij. I am an open critic of their terrorism on this forum. it is not a secret.

Now do you comdemn the RSS and BJP for their crimes against Muslims? or are you a fascist apologist who doesnt have the guts to confront evil?
 
Im also an open critic of any harm to any minority in pakistan. It is against the teachings of my deen and the Prophet pbuh..

there happy? Now I want your answer before you run away to find your bhakts.
 
why did you search in the first place? to try and deflect from what you are? Do you support the fascism of your govt or not..forget what my beliefs are for a moment, you can open a separate thread on this forum. By the way I condemn ISIS, AQ and the takfeeris, Search for me and Khwarij. I am an open critic of their terrorism on this forum. it is not a secret.

Now do you comdemn the RSS and BJP for their crimes against Muslims? or are you a fascist apologist who doesnt have the guts to confront evil?
There are plenty of threads about persecution minorities in PP, I'm unable to find any of your post condemning those incidents at least from past few years
 
There are plenty of threads about persecution minorities in PP, I'm unable to find any of your post condemning those incidents at least from past few years

stop deflecting..do you condemn or not..just be straight forward..and stop being a coward..i dont go on every tom dick and harry thread to appease a fascist like you.

My condemnation is crystal clear above. it seems you though support the murder of Muslims?

Do you?
 
If what you say is true, you need to worry even more for the muslims of India, because like I stated on an earlier post the Arabs on the street if they take it out on Indians in the gulf, they will be taking it out on the south indians whom are the majority of Indians in the gulf and also are mostly anti BJP.

So this will:

- Make BJP very happy.
- The secular south indians may suddenly start supporting BJP as a result of muslim Arab mis treatment

all this =

Things getting worse for Indian muslims.

So as a Pakistani, you need to worry about the Indian Muslims via UMMAH and hope that the Arabs on the street wont mistreat those gulf Indians...

I think you are failing to see the bigger picture. Yes Indian Muslims will suffer, but they are already suffering regardless with the Hindutva tide over the past couple of decades. Not much can turn that round unless Indians themselves step back from Hindu Rashtra dreams.

Not much Pakistanis can do about that, but you also need to remember that while Hindus are a big majority in India, when you take the whole eastern hemisphere into account, then India is fairly surrounded by Islamic countries. Making enemies of them might not be a good idea long term. You have to look beyond just Pakistan if you want to talk about UMMAH.
 
Making enemies of them might not be a good idea long term. You have to look beyond just Pakistan if you want to talk about UMMAH.

This is just a Pakistani dream. Israel which is surrounded by extreme Islamic hatred and also a small country is handling things fine. You fail to understand that there is no Ummah when it comes to practicality just like the Pakistanis not raising any concern for the Ughyur Muslims. Only Muslim country that will try to cause any problems for India is Pakistan and no one else, it is just a reality, Pakistan just needs to accept it. Also you are right the Hindu extremism needs to go, despite you calling me a hardcore Hindutva Cap lol, I would like to remind you again that I do believe in Hindutva but not Hindu extremism.
 
This is just a Pakistani dream. Israel which is surrounded by extreme Islamic hatred and also a small country is handling things fine. You fail to understand that there is no Ummah when it comes to practicality just like the Pakistanis not raising any concern for the Ughyur Muslims. Only Muslim country that will try to cause any problems for India is Pakistan and no one else, it is just a reality, Pakistan just needs to accept it. Also you are right the Hindu extremism needs to go, despite you calling me a hardcore Hindutva Cap lol, I would like to remind you again that I do believe in Hindutva but not Hindu extremism.

The one thing the Virus has shown is that nothing lasts forever, i have often said that the future is not linear, and the Hindutuva dreams will turn to dust because they are at heart based on hate and dominance. We will free Kashmir from India, both the Uighurs and Rohingya will get justice. IA the Ummah will come together it will be in my Lifetime, lets see how you react.
 
This is just a Pakistani dream. Israel which is surrounded by extreme Islamic hatred and also a small country is handling things fine. You fail to understand that there is no Ummah when it comes to practicality just like the Pakistanis not raising any concern for the Ughyur Muslims. Only Muslim country that will try to cause any problems for India is Pakistan and no one else, it is just a reality, Pakistan just needs to accept it. Also you are right the Hindu extremism needs to go, despite you calling me a hardcore Hindutva Cap lol, I would like to remind you again that I do believe in Hindutva but not Hindu extremism.

before 27th feb 2019 you and joshila thought your raptor of the east would take on the whole PAF and send a message of superiority to the world. India would be lauded as a new military superman. Well we all know what happened there even though i debated with both of you about your own shortcomings in that area.

All bets are off. let me tell you something, the ummah is alive and well on the ground, in the people. It always has been. When we meet out multinational, multicultural brothers from across the globe on jummah, on eid, in universities, our greetings are the same. Our food is similar, our problems are the same. and we all wonder why our leaders do nothing? Now arab brothers will come to pakistanis and say what is going on in India? and we will tell them.They will show us videos and we will inform them. They will say " we didnt know about this" and we will show them more.

and then you will wonder what happened after it happens. Just like the day you saw adhinandan drinking tea. You then created a narrative to make yourself feel better. You will do the same.
 
i dont go on every tom dick and harry thread to appease a fascist like you.
Your reply shows how much you cares about minorities, no wonder why you hadn't posted in any threads condemning the persecution of minorities for years.
Why has nobody with an indian flag come on here to condemn the statements of the BJP that have been posted on this thread?
Try to practice what you're preaching
 
Fascinating reloes from our Indian friends. Why has nobody with an indian flag come on here to condemn the statements of the BJP that have been posted on this thread? Instead we get roundabout discussions about Jinnah and he said she said.

Perhaps support for a Muslim genocide is ingrained? Perhaps it is too late to change the course India has set itself on?

As I have said before, there is a difference between the arab street and arab leadership. These social media posts will begin to hit home slowly but surely. Their effect will be felt in work places, bazaars, shops, everyday life. Arabs may start to question Hindu colleagues about their thoughts. Not knowing the propensity of "bhagal main churi" amongst the bhakts. Arabs may start looking into the Hindu religion and start to question aspects of it by comparing it to their own religion e.g. the caste system etc.

The ordinary arab may start to ask "wait why are they killing my Muslim brothers so heinously". Does my hinud work colleague hold thes same views? They may suddenly look and see all these high flying Indian Hindu executives sitting in companies and other employment who employ more hindus rather than Muslims and question their behaviour. To the point where slowly a movement grows amongst the influential that will look to appease the street. And remember arab rulers will always rather appease the street first.

Check who brought in Mr. Jinnah into the discussion..
 
All bets are off. let me tell you something, the ummah is alive and well on the ground, in the people.

If that's the case why the silence against Uighur muslims ? I have never seen you utter a word, feel free to prove me wrong here and bring up posts you may have wrote supporting the Uighurs in the past. Your leadership wont utter a peep against the Uighur muslims because the Chinese will take out a cane and whip your bottoms, so use Ummah according to situation :)).

Imran when asked about Uighur muslim issue in China during an interview I saw; he acts dumb and even says something along the lines of I am not aware of whats going on lol. Also please dont come up with an excuse saying: 'Oh Oh but Imran has spoken to the Chinese in private about the Uighurs' that is a pathetic excuse

Also I heard they made India an observer in OIC not so long ago despite strong Pakistani objections, I am sure leaders can also be classified as people :djb


It always has been. When we meet out multinational, multicultural brothers from across the globe on jummah, on eid, in universities, our greetings are the same.

Thats nice, and you think a few of them (some of the supposedly fake twitter accounts) raising a few noise means they are going to take on India. Right :salute

Our food is similar, our problems are the same. and we all wonder why our leaders do nothing? Now arab brothers will come to pakistanis and say what is going on in India? and we will tell them.They will show us videos and we will inform them. They will say " we didnt know about this" and we will show them more.


Gotcha, your sentences above highlights your real intention (I always knew anyway this is what you wanted, just needed to get it out of you) but you again not getting the point you doing this will only make BJP stronger in India :)) and also you still not going to get any result except for a few twitter posts from your supposed Arab 'brothers'.

Things you are saying in this post, sounds like; your Arab brothers are so naive and ignorant that the Pakistanis have to show them what is going on ? Arabs the original muslims and not converts are naive ? Oh I forgot maybe the Arab countries did not have any internet and they all live in a cave ?


and then you will wonder what happened after it happens. Just like the day you saw adhinandan drinking tea. You then created a narrative to make yourself feel better. You will do the same.


Abhinandan got a few cups of tea but we gave 1000s of cups of tea when 90,000 of your army were captured, don't forget :shh ..

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The one thing the Virus has shown is that nothing lasts forever, i have often said that the future is not linear, and the Hindutuva dreams will turn to dust because they are at heart based on hate and dominance. We will free Kashmir from India, both the Uighurs and Rohingya will get justice. IA the Ummah will come together it will be in my Lifetime, lets see how you react.

Yeah ok, I will wait for this Ummah... In the meantime, I will go watch some Eagles football highlights..

P.S. One last thing, are you planning to liberate the Uighur muslims from China as well along with the rest you mentioned on your post ? :angel:
 
The one thing the Virus has shown is that nothing lasts forever,

And you think the Virus will only affect the people that you have issues with huh ? lol.. Virus is going to take you with the rest of us if it is going to.

This is the mindset of some of you Pakistanis:

We cant get the job done, so:

- Lets see if we can get anything out of the Arabs to help our cause,
- Now lets hope for the virus to kill off enemies so we can have it easy.
 
Your reply shows how much you cares about minorities, no wonder why you hadn't posted in any threads condemning the persecution of minorities for years.

Try to practice what you're preaching

answer the question. i have clearly articulated my position. you on the other hand are afraid to. I wonder why?

perhaps you agree with lynchings and killing Muslims? maybe you believe they deserve it? hence why your hesitant to address the point by deflecting.. thats ok just shows how scared you are to debate this issue honestly.
 
And you think the Virus will only affect the people that you have issues with huh ? lol.. Virus is going to take you with the rest of us if it is going to.

This is the mindset of some of you Pakistanis:

We cant get the job done, so:

- Lets see if we can get anything out of the Arabs to help our cause,
- Now lets hope for the virus to kill off enemies so we can have it easy.

It destroys the status quo, and the new order will form( not straight away) and new powers will arrive. Sooner or later the oppressers will be destroyed. I told you last year that the future is not linear and this arrived, and mark these words, the oppressers will pay. IA it will be in my lifetime.
 
whataboutery..thats all we are getting here..why are the bakhts afraid to answer direct questions? they deflect with "why dont you speak about the uighurs" why dont you do this or that.

Unfortuantley i cant go into every thread and comment..i just dont have the time..

but lets do this all here and now..then maybe you guys will be brave enough to answer my questions:

do i support what is happening to the uighurs? no. it is appalling and we should speak up about it. Nobody should have their religion supressed in this form it is abhorrent and against my core belief. The Chinese should rethink this immediately. I condemn any oppression of anybody.

I support the right of Muslims to practice their religion freely anywhere. And the right of minorities to do the same without problem. I do not believe in discriminating due to religion or race or creed.

And I condemn anyone who discriminates.

now that we have that out of the way, will the bakhts answer the questions raised?
 
This is just a Pakistani dream. Israel which is surrounded by extreme Islamic hatred and also a small country is handling things fine. You fail to understand that there is no Ummah when it comes to practicality just like the Pakistanis not raising any concern for the Ughyur Muslims. Only Muslim country that will try to cause any problems for India is Pakistan and no one else, it is just a reality, Pakistan just needs to accept it. Also you are right the Hindu extremism needs to go, despite you calling me a hardcore Hindutva Cap lol, I would like to remind you again that I do believe in Hindutva but not Hindu extremism.

Yes bro, but if you read the chain of posts carefully, you will see that it wasn't me who mentioned that word UMMAH, but you yourself did, and in fact captialised it just in case anyone missed it. All I did was then follow the logic.

Instead of trying to troll on these issues, you should perhaps wonder if you are driving your own Indian brothers into the fold of the UMMAH. If they can't be high value citizens in the new Hindustan, then maybe they will be the ones looking for the UMMAH solution rather than your Pakistani friends? :13:
 
It destroys the status quo, and the new order will form( not straight away) and new powers will arrive. Sooner or later the oppressers will be destroyed. I told you last year that the future is not linear and this arrived, and mark these words, the oppressers will pay. IA it will be in my lifetime.

they are afraid because they know they are the oppressors..
 
New round of tweets today by little known arabs


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did those who commit crimes against humanity against Muslims in India and violate their rights think that Muslims in the world will remain silent about these crimes and do not move politically, legally and economically against them?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Islamophobia_In_India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Islamophobia_In_India</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArabsExposingRSS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArabsExposingRSS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RSS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RSS</a></p>— د. عبدالله الشريكة 🇰🇼 (@DrAlshoreka) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAlshoreka/status/1254592443170861057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">The Council of Ministers of the State of Kuwait condemns the ethnic attacks against Muslims in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <br><br>कुवैत राज्य मंत्री परिषद ने # भारत में मुसलमानों के खिलाफ जातीय हमलों की निंदा की<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kuwait?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kuwait</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/usa?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#usa</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Islamophobia_In_India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Islamophobia_In_India</a> <br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNHRC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNHRC</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArabsExposingRSS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArabsExposingRSS</a> <a href="https://t.co/jle8SbiBzG">pic.twitter.com/jle8SbiBzG</a></p>— ناصر غليفص الدوسري (@NKBMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/NKBMD/status/1254719024631615489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Attacking mosques in this way hurts the feelings of more than a billion Muslims and makes them hate India. In whose interest did this foolish act?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kuwait?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kuwait</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Egypt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Egypt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ksa?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ksa</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UAE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UAE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Morocco?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Morocco</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Islamophobia_In_India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Islamophobia_In_India</a> <br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNHRC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNHRC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArabsExposingRSS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArabsExposingRSS</a> <a href="https://t.co/tMsyjSvfPW">pic.twitter.com/tMsyjSvfPW</a></p>— د. عبدالله الشريكة 🇰🇼 (@DrAlshoreka) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAlshoreka/status/1254542771970625539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
answer the question. i have clearly articulated my position. you on the other hand are afraid to. I wonder why?

perhaps you agree with lynchings and killing Muslims? maybe you believe they deserve it? hence why your hesitant to address the point by deflecting.. thats ok just shows how scared you are to debate this issue honestly.
Those are familiar with my posts are aware of my position regarding the mistreatment of minorities in India.I don't need to express it in a particular thread like you after years to show my unbiasedness.
 
Did it started to have an effect I wonder

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">“अगर कोई गलती करता है तो पूरे समूह को नहीं लपेटना, पूरे समाज से दूरी नहीं बनानी चाहिए।130 करोड़ का समाज भारत माता का पुत्र है और अपना बंधु है।” - डॉ. मोहनजी भागवत <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SanghKiBaat?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SanghKiBaat</a> <a href="https://t.co/W2ga73re81">pic.twitter.com/W2ga73re81</a></p>— RSS (@RSSorg) <a href="https://twitter.com/RSSorg/status/1254412098181804034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Transliteration of RSS chief said:

agar koi ghalati karata hai to poore samooh ko nahin lapetana, poore samaaj se dori nahin banaanee chaahie. 130 karod ka samaaj bhaarat maata ka putr hai aur apana bandhu hai.”

Translation:

If someone makes a mistake, then the whole community should not be blamed for it, we should not keep distance from the whole society. The 130 crore community is the son of Bharat Mata and is our own brother. " - Dr. Mohanji Bhagwat

Pity such sane and reassuring words weren't said when the initial hysteria of "Corona Jihad", "Jamaati Super spreader" etc. went lose on Indian Media and social Media with many BJP politicians taking part in it.

Though a lot of damage has already been done better late than never!
 
I was positively surprised to see commander in Chief Modi Ji offer his greeting to Muslims for Ramadan. However, the very first reply to his tweet shows how widespread the misconception about Muslims have become:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">Modiji, hum tax bhi bharein, PM cares me donate bhi karein, lockdown rules follow bhi karein aur aapki sarkar pamper karti hain unko jo koi rule follow nahi karte, govt money par free ilaaz karwate hain, doctors ko maarte hain aur compensation bhi lete hain. Kab tak chalega ye?</p>— THE SKIN DOCTOR (@theskindoctor13) <a href="https://twitter.com/theskindoctor13/status/1253699331372118018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tablighis are offering blood donations, mosuqes are being given as a place for quarantine and Muslim activists are giving food to poor migrant workers and this guy has nothing better to say than to play the victim. 6k retweeted this and 22k fellow kattar hindus likes this sentiment.

Remember The Skin doctor?

He is the same Deshbakhti kattar Hindu who supported the idea of changing locations to a gulf country and spamming them with anti-Muslim sentiments.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...slim-bashing-in-India&p=10736513#post10736513

The other partner in crime [MENTION=7585]Desi[/MENTION]mojito has deleted his twitter account which has been active since 2016. Funny, I wonder why, maybe he is a PP reader.


An example of Muslim activists reaching out to the poor in India

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am fasting for Ramzan while two other volunteers, young students are braving the risks, travelling to Dharavi, Malad and other areas on the outskirts of Mumbai. We will start with the villages this week. We need your help. Here is the link to donate<a href="https://t.co/Zq4UIkapm0">https://t.co/Zq4UIkapm0</a> <a href="https://t.co/8Yrov1hAxr">https://t.co/8Yrov1hAxr</a></p>— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) <a href="https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1254736254756777984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AZAM OFFERS MOSQUE FOR ISOLATION FACILITY
https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/p...leshow/75335112.cms?__twitter_impression=true
 
I was positively surprised to see commander in Chief Modi Ji offer his greeting to Muslims for Ramadan. However, the very first reply to his tweet shows how widespread the misconception about Muslims have become:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">Modiji, hum tax bhi bharein, PM cares me donate bhi karein, lockdown rules follow bhi karein aur aapki sarkar pamper karti hain unko jo koi rule follow nahi karte, govt money par free ilaaz karwate hain, doctors ko maarte hain aur compensation bhi lete hain. Kab tak chalega ye?</p>— THE SKIN DOCTOR (@theskindoctor13) <a href="https://twitter.com/theskindoctor13/status/1253699331372118018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tablighis are offering blood donations, mosuqes are being given as a place for quarantine and Muslim activists are giving food to poor migrant workers and this guy has nothing better to say than to play the victim. 6k retweeted this and 22k fellow kattar hindus likes this sentiment.

Remember The Skin doctor?

He is the same Deshbakhti kattar Hindu who supported the idea of changing locations to a gulf country and spamming them with anti-Muslim sentiments.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...slim-bashing-in-India&p=10736513#post10736513

The other partner in crime [MENTION=7585]Desi[/MENTION]mojito has deleted his twitter account which has been active since 2016. Funny, I wonder why, maybe he is a PP reader.


An example of Muslim activists reaching out to the poor in India

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am fasting for Ramzan while two other volunteers, young students are braving the risks, travelling to Dharavi, Malad and other areas on the outskirts of Mumbai. We will start with the villages this week. We need your help. Here is the link to donate<a href="https://t.co/Zq4UIkapm0">https://t.co/Zq4UIkapm0</a> <a href="https://t.co/8Yrov1hAxr">https://t.co/8Yrov1hAxr</a></p>— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) <a href="https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1254736254756777984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AZAM OFFERS MOSQUE FOR ISOLATION FACILITY
https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/p...leshow/75335112.cms?__twitter_impression=true

I am pretty sure that Jaahil Skin Doctor looks at people's skin and religion first before treating them. You can't blame illiterates of India if a doctor thinks like that.

And I also posted that news of TJ's donating plasma since bhakhts will never share anything positive about them. :inti
 
What damage? What effect?

You really think few twitter handles from foreign countries affect India,?

Lol.

Look at the disdain India treats OIC with.

India is not a small country, with no influence and living on bailouts. These countries could not even do anything to Myanmar Which actually violated human rights, and they will do something to India, where actually nothing much has happened.

With damage I mean the polarization of the Indian society. The propaganda regarding "Corona Jihad" and "Super spreader" should have been addressed early on. The growing communal tensions. Something former Indian Bureaucrats recently mentioned in there letter as I quoted early.

101 Ex-Bureaucrats Write To Chief Ministers Over "Harassment" Of Muslims

These bureaucrats include former cabinet secretary KM Chandrasekhar, former IPS officers AS Dulat and Julio Ribeiro, former chief information commissioner Wajahat Habibullah, former Lt Governor of Delhi Najeeb Jung and former chief election commissioner SY Quraishi.

New Delhi: As many as 101 former bureaucrats have written to the Chief Ministers of states expressing anguish over the "harassment" of Muslims in some parts of the country.

They termed as "misguided and condemnable" the action of Tablighi Jamaat in organising a meeting in Delhi, but mentioned the "utterly irresponsible and reprehensible" action of a section of media in fuelling hostility towards the Muslims.

"The fear and insecurity generated by the pandemic is sought to be channelled into the "othering" of the Muslim community in different places to keep them out of public spaces, purportedly to protect the rest of the population," the former civil servants said in an open letter.

The entire country is going through unprecedented trauma, they said.
[...]

"It is with much anguish that we bring to your attention reports of harassment of Muslims in some parts of the country, particularly following the meeting of the Tablighi Jamaat in March in the Nizamuddin area of New Delhi," the letter said, as reported by news agency Press Trust of India.

[...]

"The action of the Jamaat in organising such an event, ignoring the Delhi government''s advisories was, without question, misguided and condemnable. However, the action of the media in communalising it and extending it to the Muslim community as a whole is utterly irresponsible and reprehensible," it said.

Such coverage has fuelled hostility towards the Muslim community in parts of the country, the former bureaucrats said, citing different incidents of alleged bias towards Muslim.

"More disturbingly, reports of discrimination are also coming in from various places about Muslims being turned away from hospitals and health facilities," the letter said.

"In addition, there are reports of the special entitlements of rations and cash, that governments have sanctioned at this time, being denied to Muslim families," they former civil servants claimed.

"We call upon you to reassure all the people in your state that by following the instructions for social distancing and the practices regarding using face covering and hand washing, they can keep safe from COVID-19. It needs to be emphasized that there is no truth whatsoever in the rumours that any particular group has more infections than others in our country," they said in the letter, accessed by news agency Press Trust of India.

[...]

The former civil servants requested the Chief Ministers to instruct all public functionaries to be particularly vigilant to prevent social boycott of any community in the state and to ensure that all the entitlements including medical and hospital care, rations and financial assistance are available equally to all those in need.

"At this time of grave national and international crisis, we count on your leadership in bringing the people of India together rather than allowing the deepening of fissures in our country," they said.

These bureaucrats include former cabinet secretary KM Chandrasekhar, former IPS officers AS Dulat and Julio Ribeiro, former chief information commissioner Wajahat Habibullah, former Lt Governor of Delhi Najeeb Jung and former chief election commissioner SY Quraishi

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/101...rs-over-alleged-harassment-of-muslims-2218027


Damage like this where the National Spokesperson of BJP with 4.4 million followers can spreads fake news and try to give it a certain narrative:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">और ज़रा इन बाबा के भी कारनामे देखो ...ये बेचारे बाबा सिर्फ़ बोतल में पेसाब कर उसे केले के ऊपर छिड़क रहें थे ..<br>फिर भी पुलिस बड़े अदब से पेश आ रही है..<br>कोई ज़रा आरती की थली लाना ..बाबा की आरती करनी है क्योंकि कुछ अन्यथा बोलो तो फिर ISLAMOPHOBIA की complaint कर देंगे Gulf में!! <a href="https://t.co/SwzdfFJXm7">pic.twitter.com/SwzdfFJXm7</a></p>— Sambit Patra (@sambitswaraj) <a href="https://twitter.com/sambitswaraj/status/1252863732922806274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.altnews.in/hindi/video-...&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=newpost

https://mediascanner.in/video-of-el...alse-claim-of-sprinkling-his-urine-on-fruits/

Btw: did the national Spokesperson of BJP mention Gulf countries in his tweet? Why give any attention to such meaningless tweets? Must be feeling the heat!:virat

The result:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A pregnant Muslim woman was allegedly denied medical attention in Ladda Hospital, Banswara,Rajasthan. <br><br>Rehana is 8 months pregnant but Hospital denied medical help and accused her community of spreading <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID__19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID__19</a>. <br><br>Police has registered case against Hospital management. <br><br>1/2 <a href="https://t.co/ebRyikxKzm">pic.twitter.com/ebRyikxKzm</a></p>— Md Asif Khan‏‎‎‎‎‎‎ آصِف (@imMAK02) <a href="https://twitter.com/imMAK02/status/1249054774227390464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I don't have any high expectation from Arab leaders and have already explained my stance towards them multiple times. I mostly appreciate the tweets by some Arab activists since they help spread the awareness outside of South Asia.

The divide within the society is the real damage. Some people in India don't really seem to care about it, in fact they are intentionally inciting the division and hoping to increase the communal tension and violence.
 
whataboutery..thats all we are getting here..why are the bakhts afraid to answer direct questions? they deflect with "why dont you speak about the uighurs" why dont you do this or that.

Unfortuantley i cant go into every thread and comment..i just dont have the time..

but lets do this all here and now..then maybe you guys will be brave enough to answer my questions:

do i support what is happening to the uighurs? no. it is appalling and we should speak up about it. Nobody should have their religion supressed in this form it is abhorrent and against my core belief. The Chinese should rethink this immediately. I condemn any oppression of anybody.

I support the right of Muslims to practice their religion freely anywhere. And the right of minorities to do the same without problem. I do not believe in discriminating due to religion or race or creed.

And I condemn anyone who discriminates.

now that we have that out of the way, will the bakhts answer the questions raised?

Ok Noted.

So you finally condemned the Uighur mistreatment by the Chinese, even though you were kind of cornered into saying, you still said it. Kudos..


Now:

Do you Condemn Imran Twitter Khan for not raising a single tweet about the atrocities that is being done to the Uighur muslims in Chinese concentration camps ?

Finally:

I have said numerous times that I will never support Hindu extremism, it makes me sick to the stomach when I see some of the videos of violence against muslims. However I believe in the Hindutva movement, if it is practised correct, it is fine.
 
Maybe someone living in gulf can answer honestly, do normal Arabs care about sub continent Muslims? Do they actually follow news of what is going around in India?

For eg: Assuming some racist attacks in West against Indians, do you see normal Indians living in India care enough about it to do something? Don't think so.

In this case, Arabs and sub continent folks are not even of the same country, so do the Arabs actually know about it or care about it enough to do something?

Just wondering the practicality of the situation, all I see in this thread is hyperboles and assumptions. What's the ground reality?
 
No I haven't lived in India and have had very little experience with Muslims from India to be able to argue against what you experienced and observed.

Growing up in Pakistan there was always a widespread support for people of Kashmir and a call to help them out both by the state and the public. There was never a point where this sentiment was shared for rest of Muslims in India too, while we were always made to think they are happy with their lives and don't want to have to do anything with Pakistan.

Lot of generalisation in that post, take it with a pinch of salt. There are around 20 million Muslims in India. It's a huge number, you will find a lot who are patriotic, a lot who give precedence to religion over everything else and a lot who will support Muslim stated over national interests.

With a huge population the biggest drawback is you will find a large section of people supporting different ideologies. It becomes easier to generalise the entire population based on agenda driven politics, as you will find many examples due to large population size.

One can easily, if needed, invest money and show good deeds (which are normal deeds for most humans) of Muslims going around their life daily. Then present it as how nice and humane, entire Muslim population is.

That's how agendas work, it can be driven on any commu ity, religion, race, nationality etc.
 
Maybe someone living in gulf can answer honestly, do normal Arabs care about sub continent Muslims? Do they actually follow news of what is going around in India?

For eg: Assuming some racist attacks in West against Indians, do you see normal Indians living in India care enough about it to do something? Don't think so.

In this case, Arabs and sub continent folks are not even of the same country, so do the Arabs actually know about it or care about it enough to do something?

Just wondering the practicality of the situation, all I see in this thread is hyperboles and assumptions. What's the ground reality?

They wouldn't need to as the perpetrators would be taken care of by the law of the land.
 
They wouldn't need to as the perpetrators would be taken care of by the law of the land.

The sentiment of my post was different than your reply.

Whether the state's punish or not is irrelevant, even if they get punished, news hardly makes to the local India channels. However, when the crime happens, local channels might show the news.

So, question is, do the Indians in India care enough to do something about it?

Haven't seen anyone do anything yet. Take Chinese for exams, for all the hue and cry most Indians make, especially, BJP IT cells and Bh@kts, they are the first ones to buy cheap Chinese goods.
 

Kuwait joins Saudi-Qatar-Oman to reject anti-India propaganda



NEW DELHI: Kuwait, after Oman, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have, rejected attempts to spoil ties with India through ‘foreign sponsored’ social media handles and posts.

The Kuwaiti government’s move won praises from Delhi. In response to media queries, the official spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said, "We have seen certain references to India in non-official social media handles in Kuwait. The Government of Kuwait has assured us that they are deeply committed to friendly relations with India. They also do not support any interference in the internal affairs of India,” MEA spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said.

Recently on the request of Kuwait, India recently deployed a Rapid Response Team there to assist the country in its fight against corona virus. During its two week stay in Kuwait, the team rendered valuable medical assistance in testing and treatment of afflicted persons and training their personnel.

Source :

https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...nti-india-propaganda/articleshow/75416569.cms
 
Too many pipe dreams on this thread lol.
But only to end in disappointment as they always do. :)

Love how a few tweets (mostly from fake accounts) have managed to give high hopes for certain people. It's always the tweets...
 
Too many pipe dreams on this thread lol.
But only to end in disappointment as they always do. :)

Love how a few tweets (mostly from fake accounts) have managed to give high hopes for certain people. It's always the tweets...

Govt of Kuwait thanks GoI asks for a medical team, which India sends.

Posters here, Al nassar_kw is tweeting against India and Indians will pay.
 
Those are familiar with my posts are aware of my position regarding the mistreatment of minorities in India.I don't need to express it in a particular thread like you after years to show my unbiasedness.

perhaps you can post some links here to prove your unbias. If you support Modi you are no better than the men who instigate these atrocities.
 
Ok Noted.

So you finally condemned the Uighur mistreatment by the Chinese, even though you were kind of cornered into saying, you still said it. Kudos..

I was only "cornered" because as I explained before I dont go on all the threads anymore. I simply do not have the time to engage as much. My condemnation is crystal clear. Your friends on the other hand have not condemned any atrocities but have actually doubled down. In my case i dont discriminate, palestinian kashmir uighur..Your crew seems to have a hard time accepting their shortcomings.


Now:

Do you Condemn Imran Twitter Khan for not raising a single tweet about the atrocities that is being done to the Uighur muslims in Chinese concentration camps ?

i wont condemn him for saying what he did just because you asked. This is not a forum where your hinduvta buddies can come on and demand things you are not prepared to do yourselves. But i was dissapointed. IK is the pm of Pakistan not the uighurs and is in no position to do so. Politically vis a vis China he cannot do so. As he said they have expressed their concerns in private. That is for him to do so. If I were PM I would probably have made a statement about the Uighurs. There are ways to criticise your friends. i feel he should have found a way. But considering the disastrous position the country was and is in when he came to power i understand why.

Finally:

I have said numerous times that I will never support Hindu extremism, it makes me sick to the stomach when I see some of the videos of violence against muslims. However I believe in the Hindutva movement, if it is practised correct, it is fine.

The hinduvta movement practiced properly? and how is that then? how is hinduvta different to fascism? I would love your explanation about what real hinduvta is..
 
The hinduvta movement practiced properly? and how is that then? how is hinduvta different to fascism? I would love your explanation about what real hinduvta is..

Sorry for jumping the queue, but I think I must put it on record what real hindutva is.

Hindutva is an nationalist inclusive ideology which does not discriminate. eg, white supremacists tell others that you are not a true white, like the one drop rule. Islamists tell other muslims that they are not true muslims if they don't adhere to their strict interpretation. On the other hand, hindutva tells everyone that we all are hindus. It tells muslims, that you are hindus. It tells Kashmiris that you are Indians. It tells others, that you are Us. While supremacist ideologies create an Us vs them, the peaceful hindutva ideology welcomes them as us. This is the real hindutva: a tolerant and inclusive ideology which the fragmented world needs more than ever before.
 
Sorry for jumping the queue, but I think I must put it on record what real hindutva is.

Hindutva is an nationalist inclusive ideology which does not discriminate. eg, white supremacists tell others that you are not a true white, like the one drop rule. Islamists tell other muslims that they are not true muslims if they don't adhere to their strict interpretation. On the other hand, hindutva tells everyone that we all are hindus. It tells muslims, that you are hindus. It tells Kashmiris that you are Indians. It tells others, that you are Us. While supremacist ideologies create an Us vs them, the peaceful hindutva ideology welcomes them as us. This is the real hindutva: a tolerant and inclusive ideology which the fragmented world needs more than ever before.

This is equivalent as discrimination.
 
Sorry for jumping the queue, but I think I must put it on record what real hindutva is.

Hindutva is an nationalist inclusive ideology which does not discriminate. eg, white supremacists tell others that you are not a true white, like the one drop rule. Islamists tell other muslims that they are not true muslims if they don't adhere to their strict interpretation. the other hand, hindutva tells everyone that we all are hindus. It tells muslims, that you are hindus. It tells Kashmiris that you are Indians. It tells others, that you are Us. While supremacist ideologies create an Us vs them, the peaceful hindutva ideology welcomes them as us. This is the real hindutva: a tolerant and inclusive ideology which the fragmented world needs more than ever before.

Oh really? What about Dalits? What about SC/ST? What do they tell them? :inti
 
This is equivalent as discrimination.

The first requirement for discrimination is to establish the other group as different. How is it discrimination, when hindutva says that muslims are not different from hindus, and all indian muslims are hindus?
 
Oh really? What about Dalits? What about SC/ST? What do they tell them? :inti

According to Hindutva, they are hindus too. The great Savarkar broke the barriers of untouchability much before mohandas coined the patronising term of harijan.

You are also a hindu if you live in India.
 
The first requirement for discrimination is to establish the other group as different. How is it discrimination, when hindutva says that muslims are not different from hindus, and all indian muslims are hindus?

Hindutva might be in majority but you can't force them to change the religion.
Even Islamic state never forces other religions to change.
 
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Hindutva might be in majority but you can't force them to change the religion.
Even Islamic state never forces other religions to change.

No one is forcing them to change their religion. Hindu is a secular, geographical term, often mistaken by others as a religious group. All indian muslims are muslims by religion, and hindus by their links to the soil.

Only a supremacist will have a problem with being included in this secular term.
 
The hinduvta movement practiced properly? and how is that then? how is hinduvta different to fascism? I would love your explanation about what real hinduvta is..

I am not going to write an essay on Hindutva, why don't you do some research on it ? to briefly put it, some aspects of Hindutva is protecting the Hindu way of life, however nowhere does it (as far as I know) instigate to convert people into Hinduism like Abhrahamic faiths, using scare tactics to the non believers like Hell fire etc...
 
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No one is forcing them to change their religion. Hindu is a secular, geographical term, often mistaken by others as a religious group. All indian muslims are muslims by religion, and hindus by their links to the soil.

Only a supremacist will have a problem with being included in this secular term.

Why do we see videos of mob forcing people to shout "Jai shri Ram"?

Only someone with an identity complex would deny that they are from the soil and that they are not Hindu in geographical sense. However from my understanding the Hindutva are primary concerned with the religious aspect. For instance they differentiate between kattar asli Hindu and nakli secular Hindu.
 
Why do we see videos of mob forcing people to shout "Jai shri Ram"?

Only someone with an identity complex would deny that they are from the soil and that they are not Hindu in geographical sense. However from my understanding the Hindutva are primary concerned with the religious aspect. For instance they differentiate between kattar asli Hindu and nakli secular Hindu.

Those are misguided youth and do no represent hindutva. Every indian should say Jai Shri Ram, as it is not religion, but hailing an Indian king, who belongs to all Indians.

The hindoo, by definition, is secular. The true hindoo dislikes the pseudo seculars, not true seculars.

Too much propaganda against them, and a handful of misguided youth who don't get the essence of hindutva have resulted in these myths that you have come to believe.
 
Those are misguided youth and do no represent hindutva. Every indian should say Jai Shri Ram, as it is not religion, but hailing an Indian king, who belongs to all Indians.

The hindoo, by definition, is secular. The true hindoo dislikes the pseudo seculars, not true seculars.

Too much propaganda against them, and a handful of misguided youth who don't get the essence of hindutva have resulted in these myths that you have come to believe.

You can't force them to say Jai Shri Ram,Muslims will never accept it,I don't know about other religions.
 
I was positively surprised to see commander in Chief Modi Ji offer his greeting to Muslims for Ramadan. However, the very first reply to his tweet shows how widespread the misconception about Muslims have become:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">Modiji, hum tax bhi bharein, PM cares me donate bhi karein, lockdown rules follow bhi karein aur aapki sarkar pamper karti hain unko jo koi rule follow nahi karte, govt money par free ilaaz karwate hain, doctors ko maarte hain aur compensation bhi lete hain. Kab tak chalega ye?</p>— THE SKIN DOCTOR (@theskindoctor13) <a href="https://twitter.com/theskindoctor13/status/1253699331372118018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tablighis are offering blood donations, mosuqes are being given as a place for quarantine and Muslim activists are giving food to poor migrant workers and this guy has nothing better to say than to play the victim. 6k retweeted this and 22k fellow kattar hindus likes this sentiment.

Remember The Skin doctor?

He is the same Deshbakhti kattar Hindu who supported the idea of changing locations to a gulf country and spamming them with anti-Muslim sentiments.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...slim-bashing-in-India&p=10736513#post10736513

The other partner in crime [MENTION=7585]Desi[/MENTION]mojito has deleted his twitter account which has been active since 2016. Funny, I wonder why, maybe he is a PP reader.


An example of Muslim activists reaching out to the poor in India

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am fasting for Ramzan while two other volunteers, young students are braving the risks, travelling to Dharavi, Malad and other areas on the outskirts of Mumbai. We will start with the villages this week. We need your help. Here is the link to donate<a href="https://t.co/Zq4UIkapm0">https://t.co/Zq4UIkapm0</a> <a href="https://t.co/8Yrov1hAxr">https://t.co/8Yrov1hAxr</a></p>— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) <a href="https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1254736254756777984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AZAM OFFERS MOSQUE FOR ISOLATION FACILITY
https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/p...leshow/75335112.cms?__twitter_impression=true

#WeStandWithSkinDoctor trending in India now on top in twitter trends. What happened?
 
You can't force them to say Jai Shri Ram,Muslims will never accept it,I don't know about other religions.

Those are either ignorant or supremacists. A true Hindoo should refer Huzoor as the Prophet (s.a.w), an indian muslim can say victory to king ram without compromising any aspect of his religion. Of course, no one should be forced.
 
Those are either ignorant or supremacists. A true Hindoo should refer Huzoor as the Prophet (s.a.w), an indian muslim can say victory to king ram without compromising any aspect of his religion. Of course, no one should be forced.

Keep dreaming.
 
Read the book kaala pani by Savarkar. Bonus: Listen to the brown man's burden, recited by Tharoor.

You didn't answer my question. What do hindus tell them(dalits, SC/ST)? If you don't have an answer say it. :inti

You can read this book by Swati Chaturvedi :

I Am A Troll: Inside the Secret World of the BJP’s Digital Army
 
Keep dreaming.

Like MLK Jr, I will keep dreaming. It is your right to disagree. Tell me what wrong do you find in the following quotes:

We believe in vasudhaiva kutumbakam (world is one family) and every panth has its space in it.

A Hindu rashtra does not mean that it has no space for Muslims. The day it happens, we would not be a Hindu rashtra.

All 130 crore Indians are our family. We are one... We should not blame the entire community for the mistakes of a few individuals. People who are more mature in both communities should come forward and start a dialogue to remove prejudices among people’s minds.

These quotes are by The Emir of the Qaumi Khidmatgaar Jamaat.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian BJP IT cell is creating fake portals and videos telling that Kuwait has retracted her stand on human rights violations by Hindutva fanatics under diplomatic pressure. These are fake news. Plz refer only to the official Kuwaiti statements. <a href="https://t.co/t857rGPqRO">https://t.co/t857rGPqRO</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KUNA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KUNA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MOI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MOI</a></p>— المحامي⚖مجبل الشريكة (@MJALSHRIKA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJALSHRIKA/status/1255147438362382344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) published its report for 2020 today and has newly recommended India as a country to be designated as Country of Particular Concern, meaning its governments engages in or tolerates “systematic, ongoing, egregious” violations of religious freedom.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first time since 2004 that USCIRF recommends <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> as a Country of Particular Concern <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USCIRFAnnualReport2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#USCIRFAnnualReport2020</a></p>— USCIRF (@USCIRF) <a href="https://twitter.com/USCIRF/status/1255169847593521154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Perhaps the steepest, and most alarming, deterioration in religious freedom conditions was in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a>, the largest democracy in the world.” USCIRF Vice Chair <a href="https://twitter.com/nadinemaenza?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nadinemaenza</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USCIRFAnnualReport2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#USCIRFAnnualReport2020</a></p>— USCIRF (@USCIRF) <a href="https://twitter.com/USCIRF/status/1255141169324978177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">USCIRF Chair <a href="https://twitter.com/tperkins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tperkins</a> discusses <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> saying "We are seeing impunity for violence by non-state actors committed against religious minorities.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USCIRFAnnualReport2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#USCIRFAnnualReport2020</a></p>— USCIRF (@USCIRF) <a href="https://twitter.com/USCIRF/status/1255145597075484672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The report reads:

In 2019, religious freedom conditions in India experienced a drastic turn downward, with religious minorities under increasing assault. Following the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) re-election in May, the national government used its strengthened parliamentary majority to institute national level policies violating religious freedom across India, especially for Muslims. The national government allowed violence against minorities and their houses of worship to continue with impunity, and also engaged in and tolerated hate speech and incitement to violence.


The list of recommended actions includes:

Impose targeted sanctions on Indian government agencies and officials responsible for severe violations of religious freedom by freezing those individuals’ assets and/ or barring their entry into the United States under human rights-related financial and visa authorities, citing specific religious freedom violations;

Full report: https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/USCIRF 2020 Annual Report_42720_new_0.pdf

India has been newly added to the list, while Pakistan has been on the it for several years now. Both countries find themselves in the company of countries like North Korea, Syria, Burma and Eritrea.

With such reports one shouldn't expect any groundbreaking changes but still it's good to see that the international communities are taking note of the drastic change in the Indian society and that things aren't as good as always.
 
#WeStandWithSkinDoctor trending in India now on top in twitter trends. What happened?

I don't know. Perhaps some sane person in India has recognized his harmful activities recently despite him deleting many of his hateful tweets.
 
With such reports one shouldn't expect any groundbreaking changes but still it's good to see that the international communities are taking note of the drastic change in the Indian society and that things aren't as good as always.

Indian society was always like that. In fact, last decade has been one of the most peaceful.

The only change is the information/disinformation age which doesn't let any untoward incident remain localized.
 
#WeStandWithSkinDoctor trending in India now on top in twitter trends. What happened?

I don't know. Perhaps some sane person in India has recognized his harmful activities recently despite him deleting many of his hateful tweets.

Nope not the case.

It's more a personal thing.

Some BJP member as usual passed on a satire news as if it were real news. His tweet went viral but then people found out that it was a satire causing embarrassment for the BJP member. Who then with the help of police filed a lawsuit against the skin doctor. Though in this case it wasn't his fault and the blame is 100% with the BJP member for not being able to read the part where it says the new is satire.

In this case I stand with the skin doctor too.

BJP member Surendra Poonia falls for ‘oranges banned in Cyberabad’ satire
https://www.altnews.in/bjp-member-surendra-poonia-falls-for-oranges-banned-in-cyberabad-satire/
 
^^^^

LOL the funny part is that bjp guy tried to blame bad old secularism for it.

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his tweet in english
"now oranges are also being maligned in the name of sickularism darling for you. Looks like police in some states has started to impose Shariah. That day is not far when sindoor, mangalsootra, bindi and Om will also be banned. Sickularism Zindabad."

One can clearly see written under the article "satire"

He was the same guy caught spreading fake news about Muslims. This is what happens when you have a culture of spreading fake news. Sooner or later there is a collateral damage since the skin doctor guy is a 100% modi ji BJP supporter. Same with tolerating mod lynching.
 
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Nope not the case.

It's more a personal thing.

Some BJP member as usual passed on a satire news as if it were real news. His tweet went viral but then people found out that it was a satire causing embarrassment for the BJP member. Who then with the help of police filed a lawsuit against the skin doctor. Though in this case it wasn't his fault and the blame is 100% with the BJP member for not being able to read the part where it says the new is satire.

In this case I stand with the skin doctor too.

BJP member Surendra Poonia falls for ‘oranges banned in Cyberabad’ satire
https://www.altnews.in/bjp-member-surendra-poonia-falls-for-oranges-banned-in-cyberabad-satire/

Always make a distinction between BJP and the RSS. BJP is political and like any political party will let in electables who don't follow true Hindutva and make compromises. Although even here, a few members of the BJP do not represent the true BJP ideology. We all agree that BJP needs to vet their members and raise their standards if they want to realize the dream of Hindutva.
 
Sorry for jumping the queue, but I think I must put it on record what real hindutva is.

Hindutva is an nationalist inclusive ideology which does not discriminate. eg, white supremacists tell others that you are not a true white, like the one drop rule. Islamists tell other muslims that they are not true muslims if they don't adhere to their strict interpretation. On the other hand, hindutva tells everyone that we all are hindus. It tells muslims, that you are hindus. It tells Kashmiris that you are Indians. It tells others, that you are Us. While supremacist ideologies create an Us vs them, the peaceful hindutva ideology welcomes them as us. This is the real hindutva: a tolerant and inclusive ideology which the fragmented world needs more than ever before.

How come no Hindutva spokesman is inclusive enough to claim Pakistan as part of the Hindu family? Instead they invite their own citizens to go to Pakistan if they dare to criticise India. This doesn't sound so inclusive to me.
 
How come no Hindutva spokesman is inclusive enough to claim Pakistan as part of the Hindu family? Instead they invite their own citizens to go to Pakistan if they dare to criticise India. This doesn't sound so inclusive to me.

Read the first sentence of the second paragraph. Fourth word.
 
Some BJP IT guy working at twitter must have gotten really hurt seeing the Arab twitter handle @alnassar_k exposing a lot of hate crimes in India. He had a blue tick next to his name and 300k followers. His account got banned yesterday.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The terrorist <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RSS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RSS</a> party is trying to close our accounts on social media, And he believes that it will make us back away from their shaming,<br><br>And we announce to you that Abdulrahman Al-Nassar he will return his account soon inshaallah.<br><br>Please support us with retweet🔁and like❤️</p>— أحمد الوهيدة (@AHMAD_ALWAHIDAH) <a href="https://twitter.com/AHMAD_ALWAHIDAH/status/1255215268911034368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I am pretty sure that Jaahil Skin Doctor looks at people's skin and religion first before treating them. You can't blame illiterates of India if a doctor thinks like that.

And I also posted that news of TJ's donating plasma since bhakhts will never share anything positive about them. :inti

He has turned out to be a retired Indian Army man. FIR has been registered against him for repeatedly spreading fake news at this crucial time causing an increase in communal tension.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An case was registered against Neelam Singh for a fake news paper clip taking a dig at <a href="https://twitter.com/cyberabadpolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cyberabadpolice</a>. You may call it satire but he is know for regularly posting derogatory pics, memes and chats targetting individuals. Sharing a few screenshots bellow.<a href="https://t.co/IRrMl6Yv0U">pic.twitter.com/IRrMl6Yv0U</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1255086709991018497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Some BJP IT guy working at twitter must have gotten really hurt seeing the Arab twitter handle @alnassar_k exposing a lot of hate crimes in India. He had a blue tick next to his name and 300k followers. His account got banned yesterday.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The terrorist <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RSS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RSS</a> party is trying to close our accounts on social media, And he believes that it will make us back away from their shaming,<br><br>And we announce to you that Abdulrahman Al-Nassar he will return his account soon inshaallah.<br><br>Please support us with retweet🔁and like❤️</p>— أحمد الوهيدة (@AHMAD_ALWAHIDAH) <a href="https://twitter.com/AHMAD_ALWAHIDAH/status/1255215268911034368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol. You are pretty hurt that your hope in Kuwait wasn't taken seriously by even twitter. Let alone governments.
 
He has turned out to be a retired Indian Army man. FIR has been registered against him for repeatedly spreading fake news at this crucial time causing an increase in communal tension.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An case was registered against Neelam Singh for a fake news paper clip taking a dig at <a href="https://twitter.com/cyberabadpolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cyberabadpolice</a>. You may call it satire but he is know for regularly posting derogatory pics, memes and chats targetting individuals. Sharing a few screenshots bellow.<a href="https://t.co/IRrMl6Yv0U">pic.twitter.com/IRrMl6Yv0U</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1255086709991018497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You need to update yourself.

Cyberabad Police mistakes spoof for fake news, books Twitter user


https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ke-news-books-twitter-user-1672119-2020-04-28
 
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