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I don't follow Pakistan cricket as I used to and maybe this post reflects that. But having seen how the Test openers have played lately I think we should just throw him in.
He has already some international experience and can give us 30-40 runs at least.
As always we select people at wrong time. What do you guys think?
 
What sort of threads people come up with? The guy does not have a defense good enough for even T20 yet.
 
You can't tell by T20 . . this precedent of inducting folks from T20 into test cricket needs to stop! He needs to play a couple of full seasons of QeA . . perform! and then he can be considered based on performance
 
Pakhs said:
You need minimum defense and he does not even have that.
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His long form batting is totally different to how he plays in t20's. But he does have issues with his technique.
Gets squared on very easily and also falls over his front pad.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
His long form batting is totally different to how he plays in t20's. But he does have issues with his technique.
Gets squared on very easily and also falls over his front pad.
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His got big issues, All I have seen so far is that his got talent to play some big shots even with falling over and getting squared on issues. In anycase he should have two good 4 day domestic seasons before he can be considered for such a role. Whats stopping him in top scoring at 4 day domestic cricket?
 
Pakhs said:
What sort of threads people come up with? The guy does not have a defense good enough for even T20 yet.
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Is he this bad for tests? I saw a bit of him in a T20 match vs England and liked him. Heard [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] wanting him to be part of XI too as per his age-based theory.
 
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Pakhs said:
His got big issues, All I have seen so far is that his got talent to play some big shots even with falling over and getting squared on issues. In anycase he should have two good 4 day domestic seasons before he can be considered for such a role. Whats stopping him in top scoring at 4 day domestic cricket?
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Actually he had a very good 2019 first class season and was heading the leading scorers list before he was called up for an emerging squad.
He also scored a gritty hundred in the final, so he definitely has the grit and temperament for the longer form.
 
I think he needs to play full season as an opener for his domestic team, have high hopes for him , just hope he can progress
 
I wouldnt even have him as an One Day opener never mind tests!! He needs to prove and improve. Playing 2020 cricket has made him into a hack yet he has so much potential and at age of 20 he needs to be groomed properly.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Actually he had a very good 2019 first class season and was heading the leading scorers list before he was called up for an emerging squad.
He also scored a gritty hundred in the final, so he definitely has the grit and temperament for the longer form.
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Let him top score a few times
 
Ab Fan said:
Is he this bad for tests? I saw a bit of him in a T20 match vs England and liked him. Heard [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] wanting him to be part of XI too as per his age-based theory.
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He is lacking in long format experience even at domestic levels how can he be considered as international opener?
 
need atleast 1 full seson of domestic and anyother red ball cricket he can find...

ideally would want him to play 2 seasons...
 
Not even sure the guy can play against top class pace bowlers, let alone open the innings. I haven't seen that much of him, but generally these big hitters are better suited to smashing medium pacers or spin bowers.
 
HA is not developing his game, he is just developing his hitting. To get long term success, his game needs to find ways to score with taking so much risk like he does.
 
Was one of the better openers last year in QAE but couldnt play any match this year as he was with the team. Mohammad Wasim rated his red ball game more than his white ball game as per his comments before becoming selector.

Would have liked him to play this year's QAE and prove himself again in the format but, unfortunately couldnt do that due to the current world scenario requiring big touring squads.

Taking into account lack of options and his skillset he has more chance to deliver an impact knock despite his lack of experience than some of the openers we have been trying in tests. Would have had 16-17 FC games under his belt by this year if the world would have been normal and he most likely would have done a decent job in this season too. So its really upto the management how would they want to go about this as I believe that eventually in an year or two he is obviously gonna be in reckoning.
 
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Haider, Abdullah, and a few others need to be given an entire FC season to see if they are capable of opening the innings.

PCB needs to make sure that we are not doing any tours during the QEA window, so that these cricketers can get the much required FC experience.

Right now, I'm looking at a few players from our domestic circuit who could make the team if they perform well in another season:

Haider Ali
Abdullah Shafique
Irfanullah Shah

Those guys have a good chance to improve their skillset.

IMO Abdullah has a better defensive technique than Haider, from what I've seen. However, Haider is a bigger match winner by a long margin, so it really depends. I don't see a problem with replacing Abid with Abdullah, especially since Abid is averaging near dirt anyways.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Haider, Abdullah, and a few others need to be given an entire FC season to see if they are capable of opening the innings.

PCB needs to make sure that we are not doing any tours during the QEA window, so that these cricketers can get the much required FC experience.

Right now, I'm looking at a few players from our domestic circuit who could make the team if they perform well in another season:

Haider Ali
Abdullah Shafique
Irfanullah Shah

Those guys have a good chance to improve their skillset.

IMO Abdullah has a better defensive technique than Haider, from what I've seen. However, Haider is a bigger match winner by a long margin, so it really depends. I don't see a problem with replacing Abid with Abdullah, especially since Abid is averaging near dirt anyways.
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Better Technique? Based on What?
 
It's not the worst shout but Haider's still some way from being ready. He's a natural strokemaker and his eagerness to get after the bowlers gets him into trouble sometimes.

The problem is I see many of these young Indian Test batsmen debuting with plenty of FC miles in their legs, whereas our guys are fed a neverending diet of T20 cricket.

Ideally Haider Ali would be glued to Mohammad Yousuf's hip for the next six weeks, but the PSL awaits...
 
If Haider Ali gets the nod ahead of the other batsmen who are sweating their blood and soul in domestic cricket then i might as well quit following Pakistan cricket.
 
Not yet.

Perhaps at some point in future.

I guess he could be a Shahid Afridi type opener, but there are areas of his game that he obviously needs to work on before playing Test cricket.
 
Shouldn’t happen. Let him play a couple more seasons in domestics or at the very least prove himself in ODIs.
 
Haider ali omair bin yusuf abdullah shafique should not be rushed into the test team all three need atleast 1/2 years of domestic cricket
 
Titan24 said:
Was one of the better openers last year in QAE but couldnt play any match this year as he was with the team. Mohammad Wasim rated his red ball game more than his white ball game as per his comments before becoming selector.

Would have liked him to play this year's QAE and prove himself again in the format but, unfortunately couldnt do that due to the current world scenario requiring big touring squads.

Taking into account lack of options and his skillset he has more chance to deliver an impact knock despite his lack of experience than some of the openers we have been trying in tests. Would have had 16-17 FC games under his belt by this year if the world would have been normal and he most likely would have done a decent job in this season too. So its really upto the management how would they want to go about this as I believe that eventually in an year or two he is obviously gonna be in reckoning.
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If thats the case why he is not in the test squad based upon potential (eg abdullah)
 
shamaan said:
If thats the case why he is not in the test squad based upon potential (eg abdullah)
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Not sure, as clearly Haider has more first XI matches under his belt and has already been transitioned into ODI cricket as well. Maybe they wanted to keep Abdullah involved in the setup as well to give him confidence as it was pretty clear even when they selected him that most likely he or Haider for that matter wasnt gonna debut in this test series. Haider meanwhile is a regular member of the T20 squad and would be getting time with the team atleast in one format.

No other reason I can think of. Will have to see more of Abdullah in domestic cricket and FC cricket but, based upon what I have seen of Haider he definitely has a higher future ceiling than most of the test openers we have tried.
 
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Everyone is getting a chance, his time will come soon. It's a lottery system.

I would try him for the fun of it though. There's nothing to lose.
 
Haidar ali needs to perform first more in white ball cricket if starts to be consistent than maybe can be given a go in test

I know it might not be a popular opinion but i think imam ul haq is suited more for test cricket
 
I expect him to work with yousuf on his defense in the off-season. Just a little tightening of his game and the right game-plan will do wonders for a guy with his natural ability.

He is a monstrous talent, and should come into the test fold after a season or 2. All these Abid Ali's and the other junk are stop gap until this guy is ready.

The Almighty knows best, but it is my hunch that he will be a very high impact test player, who will be clutch and will play several game-defining innings.
 
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Does anyone have an update on what is happening with Haider Ali and Naseem Shah? They are both exceptional talents and I hope the PCB has a constructive plan in place for their development. Rather than them just sitting at home until the PSL starts.

I know Haider is likely to pay the t20s against SAF, but I wonder if he has been summoned to the HPC during this break.
 
Forum363 said:
Does anyone have an update on what is happening with Haider Ali and Naseem Shah? They are both exceptional talents and I hope the PCB has a constructive plan in place for their development. Rather than them just sitting at home until the PSL starts.

I know Haider is likely to pay the t20s against SAF, but I wonder if he has been summoned to the HPC during this break.
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Last page saj have given update about nasim shah
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...eem-Shah-A-failed-experiment/page7&styleid=16
 
I think he needs a couple more seasons in FC cricket and maybe some coaching sessions from M.Yousuf.
 
Ideally our Top 4 should be

Imam
Azhar
Saud
Babar

Imam would do the silly-mid off/short leg position which keeps Abid in the team, he has temperament to build an innings, he can see out the new ball. Not sure why MoWasim insists on keeping him out of Tests.

If Usman Salahuddin can have one successful season as an opener in FC cricket, he should be in with a shout, long term I can see Abdullah Shafique eventually taking Azhar's spot.
 
Imam averages 25 in test cricket, which is less than the likes of Shan and Abid yet people want them out. He needs to prove himself in FC cricket first where he only averages 35.

A seasoned campaigner like Usman should be given a chance if he's willing to open.

Azhar
Usman
Babar
Saud

That's what we need to be going with in our next series. Babar to bat at 3 and finally make that position his own.

Haider and Abdullah desperately need experience on FC A tours otherwise their development is just going to stall.
 
No... He is not ready...
Go with fakhar or Sharjeel... If you want explosive opener..
 
imshally81 said:
No... He is not ready...
Go with fakhar or Sharjeel... If you want explosive opener..
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Yeah no actually hell no!

One is a hack other is a fat hack

I'd go with the technical but aggressive (as long as it's not stunting his FC devolapment
 
Titan24 said:
Not sure, as clearly Haider has more first XI matches under his belt and has already been transitioned into ODI cricket as well. Maybe they wanted to keep Abdullah involved in the setup as well to give him confidence as it was pretty clear even when they selected him that most likely he or Haider for that matter wasnt gonna debut in this test series. Haider meanwhile is a regular member of the T20 squad and would be getting time with the team atleast in one format.

No other reason I can think of. Will have to see more of Abdullah in domestic cricket and FC cricket but, based upon what I have seen of Haider he definitely has a higher future ceiling than most of the test openers we have tried.
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Its Defonitely that they wanted to make sure that abdullah doesnt loose heart and confidence.

To be honest i dont see haider as a oppener yet hes more middle order batter and i see abdullah as a oppener but still needs 1/2 full season of domestic
 
gazza619 said:
There are at least a dozen. Some of them were also in the 20 man squad against SA.
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who saud,kamran ghullam both are middle order batters haider is an opener but i dont see him lasting in the oppening slot
 
He is only good against the domestic bowlers. He ain't going to score many runs in international bowlers against the world's best bowlers.
 
Not quite as talented as Umar Akmal and equally as braindead.

But I do feel sorry for him in the sense that he was picked way too soon.

The 50 he scored against England was the worst thing that could have happened to him.
 
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