Haider Ali for the T20 World Cup?

[Saj]

Too raw?

Too much of a risk?

He has the X Factor, take him?

Thoughts?

 

[amarmak]

The grounds are too big for his hacks to work

 

[amvbfm]

He isn't ready yet but there aren't any other options. Barring Babar and to some extent Hafeez can't see any other batsmen being a certainty. Unless PCB has other plans for him, they need to get him as much international experience as possible before then and ensure that they persist with him.

 

[DRsohail]

Yes he should play

 

[IAJ]

The grounds are too big for his hacks to work

I didn’t watch his innings today, didn’t he play proper cricketing shots?

 

[Mueez]

Yep, he should be on the plane to Australia.

Has immense hitting skills and there is a lot of potential in him.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why not?
If we can take Maqsood, Shehzad, Akmal to the 2015 CWC, then why not Haider?

 

[minamino]

Prithvi Shaw played a similar inning in IPL and was called to Indian team.

 

[Barragan]

Yeah, like ahsan ali wasn't enough!!

 

[Forum363]

It's either him or Hafeez at number 3.

I know who I would rather take. Succeed or fail, he is one of the biggest talents coming through Pakistan right now and the experience will benefit him.

 

[Hasan123]

Try him in the bilaterals coming up and see how he does.

 

[Forum363]

Good catch just now. His confidence / composure is seriously impressive.

 

[NauV]

The grounds are too big for his hacks to work

Umm what makes you say he is a hack? or is that something you call anyone who comes in and hits a few sixes?

He has been earmarked as a top talent . . Playing A team cricket, under 19 cricket . . Been scoring centuries . . Played really well int he A team tour to SA . . He's a proper batsman . . I am sure a lot of room for improvement, but he looks good!

Don't know where his career will go, but interesting of you to have the foresight to call him a hack already!

 

[LordJames]

The competition is between Ahsan Ali and Haider Ali and Haider Ali is very confident and has a higher ceiling for improvement.

 

[Bewal Express]

No, unless he can sort his play of the short ball, he will struggle on the bouncy tracks in Australia.

 

[troodon]

Bright talent. Needs 1 or 2 years to develop some more.

 

[j_kazmi]

How about the following T20 World Cup in 2021?

We keep selecting players after a few decent preformances in the PSL and it’s clear that it doesn’t work in the long run.

Let him develop I say. If he really is good, he’ll have plenty of time to play for Pakistan.

 

[Titan24]

In an ideal scenario we should have had options and Haider could have had atleast one more complete season of domestic cricket under his belt. However, considering lack of options you never know but still would hope whatever is best for his development happens.

 

[Shams123]

Yes. But first he should get all the games before the tournament. Even if he fails, he will get some hard but useful lessons.

 

[Energy]

Why not? He seems to be full of confidence, and is fit. The body language is good. His off-side game is good, yes he slogs but what is wrong with that?

 

[Shams123]

Plus he is a very good fielder. He will be much better than Hafeez at three.

 

[IAJ]

Bright talent. Needs 1 or 2 years to develop some more.

Nice, if we have an indian poster praising a young batsman, then there is some hope

 

[hitthestump]

Failing on the big stage could destroy a kid at this level, the knives will be out for him and whichever poor individual selected him.

Pakistan fans aren't kind enough to nurture a risky talent like Haider at the moment. Remember how much vitriol was directed at Misbah after he gave a test cap to Musa?

 

[Syed1]

I feel he has a bit of Shehzad-esque hacking nature to him, but no harm in trying its not like our team is filled with batsmen who are setting the world alight.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

We needed Micky to develop him. With him gone I don’t trust these jokers to get anything out of him. Some people won’t like hearing it.

 

[NauV]

Plus he is a very good fielder. He will be much better than Hafeez at three.

I am happy to have Hafeez in the team at 5 as long as it keeps Shoaib Malik out . . I think Hafeez can still perform as he can play pace bowling better than Malik . . also, they're both lucky no new player has claimed a spot in the team yet. .

My team is starting to look something like this:

1.) Babar
2.) Kamran/Sharjeel
3.) Haider/Haris?/Somebody else
4.) Hafeez
5.) Iftikhar (tough to drop him after Australia . . though I don't really like him very much)
6.) Sarfaraz (if Kamran isn't playing up top)/somebody else
7.) Shadab/Nawaz/somebody else
8.) All rounder who can hit (Not Faheem!)
9.) Shaheen
10.) Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz
11.) Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz

Wow, I just realized, our team is in tatters!! So many spots up for grabs and no planning behind who will play where . . Heck, Rizwan has been playing T20s for Pak!!

 

[Nado_]

The grounds are too big for his hacks to work

Lol we’re you even watching the match? He was clearing boundaries by big distances

 

[aloo paratha]

Should get a chance in England and Ireland in the summer.

 

[Bewal Express]

I like the lad, and if he can become a decent player of the short ball, we will have an absolute cracker jack on our hands. I am sure that with hard work he can do it, but he isn't ready atm.

 

[Hawkeye]

Please no.

Let's not ruin our youngsters like this. You don't throw unpolished items at the biggest stage like that.

Then if they fail, they're dropped and forgotten.

Let him get further polished in first class, list A, have him develop a habit for sticking to proper cricketing strokes and scoring off them, not just the cow corner slogs or the straight one.

He can play on the off side and drive and cut and probably inside out as well.

But he's not doing that because he only wants to hack and show he can play T20s.

Not helping his development as a proper batsman.

He needs to follow Babar Azam and not Shehzad or Afridi.

 

[Khan12]

Please no.

Let's not ruin our youngsters like this. You don't throw unpolished items at the biggest stage like that.

Then if they fail, they're dropped and forgotten.

Let him get further polished in first class, list A, have him develop a habit for sticking to proper cricketing strokes and scoring off them, not just the cow corner slogs or the straight one.

He can play on the off side and drive and cut and probably inside out as well.

But he's not doing that because he only wants to hack and show he can play T20s.

Not helping his development as a proper batsman.

He needs to follow Babar Azam and not Shehzad or Afridi.

The irony and you was backing misbah decision for picking Musa.

 

[Shams123]

I am happy to have Hafeez in the team at 5 as long as it keeps Shoaib Malik out . . I think Hafeez can still perform as he can play pace bowling better than Malik . . also, they're both lucky no new player has claimed a spot in the team yet. .

My team is starting to look something like this:

1.) Babar
2.) Kamran/Sharjeel
3.) Haider/Haris?/Somebody else
4.) Hafeez
5.) Iftikhar (tough to drop him after Australia . . though I don't really like him very much)
6.) Sarfaraz (if Kamran isn't playing up top)/somebody else
7.) Shadab/Nawaz/somebody else
8.) All rounder who can hit (Not Faheem!)
9.) Shaheen
10.) Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz
11.) Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz

Wow, I just realized, our team is in tatters!! So many spots up for grabs and no planning behind who will play where . . Heck, Rizwan has been playing T20s for Pak!!

I am really worried about our Batting. Our bowling will do well. Apart from Babar, I dont think anyone can score in those conditions.

 

[unemployedgm]

I question the cricket acumen of anyone who doesn't see the prodigious talent in Haider.

That said, I'm not shocked.

 

[unemployedgm]

Can someone explain what "Not Ready" means?

Shoaib Malik is awful against pace and short bowling yet he's played 300+ matches for Pakistan and is a shoe-in for the World Cup.

I never say this but I will now. Haider will compete with Babar, and they should be pillars of Pakistan's batting for years to come in all formats.

That said, we are great at ruining batting talent.

 

[Hawkeye]

The irony and you was backing misbah decision for picking Musa.

Bowlers are different. Young and fiery, the better. We have a good bowling culture too. Besides, Amir and Wahab had dropped out, we needed people. Of course, FC polishes them further.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I don't think he's anything special
Shehzad looked alot better than him when he first started

 

[ahmadharis1]

He shouldn't be in the WC team yet but deserves to be picked for the England LOI series

 

[Ronaldo7]

Can someone explain what "Not Ready" means?

Shoaib Malik is awful against pace and short bowling yet he's played 300+ matches for Pakistan and is a shoe-in for the World Cup.

I never say this but I will now. Haider will compete with Babar, and they should be pillars of Pakistan's batting for years to come in all formats.

That said, we are great at ruining batting talent.

"Not ready" means that we shouldn't ruin his career by playing him early.

 

[Rayyman]

Has he even scored a fifty yet?!?

 

[FreePalestine]

Can someone explain what "Not Ready" means?

Shoaib Malik is awful against pace and short bowling yet he's played 300+ matches for Pakistan and is a shoe-in for the World Cup.

I never say this but I will now. Haider will compete with Babar, and they should be pillars of Pakistan's batting for years to come in all formats.

That said, we are great at ruining batting talent.

To be honest, it is as much a question of temperament as of skill. Akmal and Shehzad went in young; had Afridi as their role model; and Akmal especially, had a very meteoric rise due to a good start and Rameez Raja’s hyperbolics. This all went to their heads a little bit seemingly and Akmal again, seemed to become satisfied with his mediocrity. Not seeking to improve, develop. You saw a bit of the same with Shadab’s bowling which seemed to be plateauing for a while. That is why Misbah put him under the pump with some public statements. He clearly appears more focussed on improving his control with the ball. Good to see he is hungry to improve with the bat as well.

It really depends on the youngster. Babar, and Shadab more recently, showed a willingness to improve despite the distractions of stardom, others appear to lose their focus and hunger a bit.

Sometimes I think ‘if they are good enough, they should play’. But if I was in the team management, with a young kid, you have to find out what their temperament is like and whether they are ready for everything that comes with the big stage. Only when they are very young though. In their teens, like Akmal, Shadab, Babar (probably soon Haider) at the beginning of their intl careers.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

too raw. needs more domestic + PSL experience behind him.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Absolutely, especially if the alternatives are the likes of Kamran.

His batting against the short ball worries me though. Ideal case would be a season or more in domestic cricket.

 

[Red Devil]

Ideally, he needs a year or two of more development but we desperately need good strikers right now. Wouldn't mind having him in the squad at least.

 

[Darkrai]

If the alternatives are Ahsan and Fakhar, then yes.

 

[Danyaalr01]

It won't hurt to try him in the England T20Is and in the Asia cup at number 3. If he succeeds then he should play the World T20.

Don't forget that he was one of the best in the QeA trophy and made a century in the final. He is a potential test match player for us too, especially with the career of Azhar going down hill very fast.

 

[angrypathan]

Don't think he's ready but wouldn't be against trying him in the next series

 

[watson367]

If Fakhar can get a free ticket for 2 years. Then Haider deserves to be selected.

 

[BakuGM]

If the alternatives are Ahsan and Fakhar, then yes.

Why is Ahsan not playing in PSL?

 

[moghul]

The way he is making progress, he will be ready for WC in 3-4 months. He has everything to be a good opener for WC. He is young, well built, has all the shots particularly pull short. He and Babar will make a perfect pair. He is really a clean hitter.

 

[jupiter2007]

I am happy to have Hafeez in the team at 5 as long as it keeps Shoaib Malik out . . I think Hafeez can still perform as he can play pace bowling better than Malik . . also, they're both lucky no new player has claimed a spot in the team yet. .

My team is starting to look something like this:

1.) Babar
2.) Kamran/Sharjeel
3.) Haider/Haris?/Somebody else
4.) Hafeez
5.) Iftikhar (tough to drop him after Australia . . though I don't really like him very much)
6.) Sarfaraz (if Kamran isn't playing up top)/somebody else
7.) Shadab/Nawaz/somebody else
8.) All rounder who can hit (Not Faheem!)
9.) Shaheen
10.) Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz
11.) Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz

Wow, I just realized, our team is in tatters!! So many spots up for grabs and no planning behind who will play where . . Heck, Rizwan has been playing T20s for Pak!!

There is no need of Haris Sohail in T-20.

1) Babar Azam (c)
2) Sharjeel Khan / Kami
3) Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
4) Mohammad Hafeez
5) Haider Ali / Azam Khan
6) Shadab Khan / Imad Wasim
7) Iftikhar Ahmed / Khushdil Shah
8 ) Zafar Gohar
9) Mohammad Amir/Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz/MUsa Khan
10) Mohammad Amir/Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz/Musa Khan
11) Shaheen Afridi

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Most of the posters calling him hack is because they have seen him playing only in PSL, where his approach to game is completely different. He goes after the bowler right from the ball one.

But if you have watched videos of his Pak A performances or U19WC performances, you will realise he is not just slogger who looks to hit every ball out of the park.

Has some issues with handling short ball, which most of the Pakistani batsmen have including the likes of Malik and Fakhar.

The kid seems to be extremely confident and his body language implicates that he has hunger to learn more and more.

 

[Saj]

An issue for him in Australia could be the short ball which he has struggled with quite a lot.

 

[in_cutter]

An issue for him in Australia could be the short ball which he has struggled with quite a lot.

Most Asian batsmen struggle against short bowling

 

[aukhan]

There are no better options. I will say take the chance but dont discard if he fails to impress in Australia. He should become a permanent member of the squad.

 

[shamaan]

Babar
Haider
Hafeez
Ashraf
Azam
Iftikhar
Imad
Shadab
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf

Wahab
Fakhar
Khushdil
Nawaz

 

[Ucdkee]

Needs a couple of years in domestic in my opinion. Just like Babar Azam wasn't rushed into the national team, this guy also needs to be taken care of. He is more important for Odis and tests rather than t20s.

 

[Shahzad1985]

1) Babar
2) Sharjeel
3) Haider
4) Hafeez
5) Sarfraz ( Wk)
6) Zeeshan
7) Iftikhar
8) Shadab
9) Amir
10) Shaheen
11) Naseem

I would definetely take Wahab in Squad. I think he would be ideally suited for T20, Hasnain seems to go round the park too often and needs more time.

 

[Hawkeye]

Needs a couple of years in domestic in my opinion. Just like Babar Azam wasn't rushed into the national team, this guy also needs to be taken care of. He is more important for Odis and tests rather than t20s.

Yes.

Rushing him to T20s will waste his talent, and the hacks he's playing will become second nature to him, instead of proper cricketing strokes that he can play, but not doing that.

 

[Shayan]

An issue for him in Australia could be the short ball which he has struggled with quite a lot.

Absolutely Saj. In this PSL, when facing short balls he's scored 23 off 23 and been dismissed 3 times.

Length balls - 39 off 13.

 

[Glen Durrant fan]

Not ready yet, in the future he will be a wonderful ODI opener and will go fantastically with Babar at the top for T20Is, but mission australia requires experience and percentage risk chances.

I'd go with:

Babar (C)
Kamran (W)
Hafeez
Malik
Iftikhar
Shadab
Asif
Imad
Wahab
Amir
Shaheen

Sharjeel / Fakhar
Khushdil / Zeeshan
Rauf
Hasnain / Hasan / Naseem / Tanvir

 

[Slim]

Please no.

Let's not ruin our youngsters like this. You don't throw unpolished items at the biggest stage like that.

Then if they fail, they're dropped and forgotten.

Let him get further polished in first class, list A, have him develop a habit for sticking to proper cricketing strokes and scoring off them, not just the cow corner slogs or the straight one.

He can play on the off side and drive and cut and probably inside out as well.

But he's not doing that because he only wants to hack and show he can play T20s.

Not helping his development as a proper batsman.

He needs to follow Babar Azam and not Shehzad or Afridi.

Waiting for Misbah to pick him and for you to do a complete 180 on this.

 

[Slim]

The boys seems to have potential. Bats a lot like Shehzad. Havent see him much of him though. We can try him in the bilaterals if he does well in rest of the PSL as well.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

There is no need of Haris Sohail in T-20.

1) Babar Azam (c)
2) Sharjeel Khan / Kami
3) Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
4) Mohammad Hafeez
5) Haider Ali / Azam Khan
6) Shadab Khan / Imad Wasim
7) Iftikhar Ahmed / Khushdil Shah
8 ) Zafar Gohar
9) Mohammad Amir/Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz/MUsa Khan
10) Mohammad Amir/Haris Rauf/Naseem/Hasnain/Hasan Ali/Wahab Riaz/Musa Khan
11) Shaheen Afridi

1. Babar Azam (c)
2. Ahsan Ali/Shan Masood
3. Haider Ali
4. Shadab Khan
5. Umar Amin
6. Imad Wasim
7. Zeeshan Ashraf? (Not sold on him completely but better choice than kamran)
8. Anwar Ali/Amer Yamin
9. Naseem Shah
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rauf

 

[Shoaibbtt]

You can try him in the wc but I think a couple of years in domestic cricket won’t be a bad idea. Need to build up some experience.

 

[MenInG]

Bit of a disappointment so far - out for 4 to Amir today.

 

[Red Devil]

Bit of a disappointment so far - out for 4 to Amir today.

Can't really fault him for getting out on an absolute gem of a delivery.

 

[iPakistani]

Bit of a disappointment so far - out for 4 to Amir today.

Lol Rohit has got out to that ball every time he has faced it vs Amir, not a disappointment just an unplayable delivery.

 

[shah_1]

Pakistan cap is really cheap these days. I wouldn't be surpised if he plays

 

[silentkiller187]

1. Babar Azam (c)
2. Ahsan Ali/Shan Masood
3. Haider Ali
4. Shadab Khan
5. Umar Amin
6. Imad Wasim
7. Zeeshan Ashraf? (Not sold on him completely but better choice than kamran)
8. Anwar Ali/Amer Yamin
9. Naseem Shah
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Haris Rauf

Shan is doing well in PSL but by no means is he international t20 standard.

 

[Mueez]

He got an absolute jaffa, so can’t blame him for today’s failure.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Bit of a disappointment so far - out for 4 to Amir today.

That's a bit harsh. He's done fairly decent as a youngster in this tournament so far averaging just under 23 in 5 matches. Can't properly judge him until he's had some experience in the domestic circuit.

PS it was an absolute peach of a delivery. To quote the brother below Rohit Sharma got for lbw on that delivery in the CT17 final.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am surprised not to see Mamoon posting in this thread, I assumed he rated him as he touted him ahead of Sharjeel Khan. But then he was using that thread more to attack Sharjeel rather than suggest serious alternatives, hence he used it mostly to tell everyone how bad Sharjeel was compared to other teams players.

Now I am thinking he doesn't rate Haider either, just didn't want to be seen as a Pak team hater.

 

[shah_1]

The ball coming in to righhanders in not unplayable at all

Some fans defending Haider blind slog, he didn't respect the condition and the bowler, and he paid the price

 

[Khan12]

Pakistan cap is really cheap these days. I wouldn't be surpised if he plays

Cut down your hate. You just wait for young players to fail so you can keep bashing them.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Shan is doing well in PSL but by no means is he international t20 standard.

I don't like him but think he's done a fair decent job with the bat. I want to see more from Ahsan Ali and that means not just a quick start.

I would give Sharjeel a go as an opener but in my personal opinion i'm not willing to forgive him and just feel we must end the careers of match fixers by simply blacklisting them for life. If you have any other alternates to an opener other than Mr "drop it like it's hot" Akmal or Shan Masood i'd be interested to hear it.

However, i feel that the squad i've mentioned is fairly decent but won't be realistic of course when it comes to the WC tournament.

 

[shah_1]

Cut down your hate. You just wait for young players to fail so you can keep bashing them.

If likes of Asif Ali and Ahsan Ali with such poor domestic record can represent Pakistan then anyone. Truth hurts

 

[Khan12]

If likes of Asif Ali and Ahsan Ali with such poor domestic record can represent Pakistan then anyone. Truth hurts

But someone haider is comfortably better then them evident from his record. He's 19 give him some time. I personally hope he plays 1 more season more and works on his weaknesses. But you act as if he 25 year old and his played for long. If he doesn't improve by then you can bash him all day long.

 

[Abdullah719]

The ball coming in to righhanders in not unplayable at all

Some fans defending Haider blind slog, he didn't respect the condition and the bowler, and he paid the price

It wasn't a blind slog, he was playing a straight drive according to the line of the ball. But he didn't account for the swing. Amir was pitching it up and swinging it in massively, only for that first over, so he should have been more circumspect.

 

[Khan12]

It wasn't a blind slog, he was playing a straight drive according to the line of the ball. But he didn't account for the swing. Amir was pitching it up and swinging it in massively, only for that first over, so he should have been more circumspect.

No point debating with a poster who is just waiting for young players to fail and most importantly who says bangladesh produces the 2nd most talented batsmens when he can't even name one of them.

 

[shah_1]

His batting style is very similar to Khurram Manzoor