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Inzi not happy with Haider Ali's reckless shot selection it seems - as per his YouTube

“Whilst its true that Haider Ali has done a good job in T20 cricket, I feel that he still needs to make improvements in his batting and fielding"

"Its important that he realizes that in international cricket, an aggressive shot cannot be played on every ball"

"Haider Ali should be more sensible in his approach"

“When he had already hit three boundaries against Zimbabwe in the 3rd ODI, he unnecessarily gave away his wicket in trying to score another boundary"

"Obviously, he shouldn't change his natural game but then he needs to have a better technique; Whilst he is new to international cricket but he plays in important positions in T20 and ODI games in the batting order so he needs to improve soon"
 
Haider Ali is perfect for t20 cricket but need to improve in ODI cricket.

For the time being in ODI cricket, he should either open the innings or play at #6.
 
MenInG said:
Inzi not happy with Haider Ali's reckless shot selection it seems - as per his YouTube

“Whilst its true that Haider Ali has done a good job in T20 cricket, I feel that he still needs to make improvements in his batting and fielding"

"Its important that he realizes that in international cricket, an aggressive shot cannot be played on every ball"

"Haider Ali should be more sensible in his approach"

“When he had already hit three boundaries against Zimbabwe in the 3rd ODI, he unnecessarily gave away his wicket in trying to score another boundary"

"Obviously, he shouldn't change his natural game but then he needs to have a better technique; Whilst he is new to international cricket but he plays in important positions in T20 and ODI games in the batting order so he needs to improve soon"
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Let the lad play and learn from his mistakes. We need stroke makers, and with time he will learn. Its too early to reign him in
 
Does Inzi want sensible players of Badtameez players?
 
SARJ_BD said:
Haider Ali is perfect for t20 cricket but need to improve in ODI cricket.

For the time being in ODI cricket, he should either open the innings or play at #6.
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Yes lets waster him at 6 like Umar Akmal and Tom Banton. Nobody wants to take risks and play batsmen in their proper positions, yet they want them to succeed. We need to get people like Inzimam off the television because when he was chief selector, he didn't do anything. All bark and no bite in Pakistan atm
 
Not sure if ok to judge Haider on one innings in ODIs?
 
Fans and ex players are too early to form opinions. He is a good talent, let him play 10 ODIs and T20s first to judge on what aspects he needs improvement. He is just 20 and without a lot of domestic experience so he should first be allowed to develop at his own pace for some international matches and then see if and where a tweak is required.
 
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Not sure if this technique is good?

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He is crying out for at least another two full seasons of FC cricket. Unfortunately our impatient management and public don't allow youngsters time to develop.
 
Too early to judge. His technique and all is fine. Just need to tone down his too many shots to play for one ball and concentrate on rotating strikes.

That delivery is not unplayable, if he plays on the offside must be fine , I think he needs to concentrate on playing closer to his body. Too much playing across the line early in the innings.
 
Need to persist with Haider. These same people were calling for Babar’s head and infact one poster even opened a thread claiming he is the most overrated player to have represented Pakistan.
 
Nobody has a monopoly on unsolicited and unneeded advice quite like ex-Pakistani players.
 
Got a pretty good ball. Needs to play with a straighter bat at the start of his innings though. Ideally should have played this whole season of FC cricket. It made sense to take him with the squad to England as there weren't any domestic games on at the time, but right now he'd be better off playing QeA trophy games.
 
zain7077 said:
Need to persist with Haider. These same people were calling for Babar’s head and infact one poster even opened a thread claiming he is the most overrated player to have represented Pakistan.
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If you name and shame some of them, they will start resorting to badtameezi and then label you a troll.
And if you complain to the authorities about it, they will start playing victim and start a rona dhona lol.
Therefore, dont even bother, particularly with that one poster that you talked about.
 
Already stated a few days ago that he has shown subtle hints of being a tulla.
I am not writing off his talent but if he has a good hand-eye coordination and quick reflexes then he should use his brain a little more and start with two things.

First, learn and practice and play with conventional batting techniques to get the basics right, and build a solid foundation.
Second, learn to play a long innings by developing a balance between effective aggression and strong defense.

Otherwise, if you don’t want to go to the next level then you are a good T20 player for now.


I think the general problem in our cricket culture is that we had a great past, but now, we are SEVERELY lacking any out of the world talent. We yearn and hope to get a continuous supply of Miandads, Inzis, and Yousufs, and Younuses, and Wasims and Waqars etc.

So when a young kid in the domestic shows a glimpse of talent, it pushes us into a dream that assures us that we have found another Inzi or another Wasim - so many of us jump on the bandwagon this new kid is HYPED SO MUCH that he starts to believe that he has done it all. There is nothing more to be learned as he reached the end of the world.

We as fans need to calm down our nerves and stop being ultra hyper and super sentimental.

A good and talented new player must be encouraged and appreciated but should not be put over the moon as well, otherwise he shuts down the learning processes right at the start of his career.
 
People need to lower their expectation Lets not think hes the next babar

He needs to put his head down n develop by playing first class cricket Lets see where he is in 3 years

Its upto him If hes willing to work hard at his game he ll go far Theres plenty of examples of those that failed n why

Its his choice what path he needs to take Hes got a great role model right in front of him
 
SARJ_BD said:
Haider Ali is perfect for t20 cricket but need to improve in ODI cricket.

For the time being in ODI cricket, he should either open the innings or play at #6.
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Play him at 6 why would we do that did you watch the psl when he batted at 5.hes an opener by trade but should not be played lower than 4
 
Bewal Express said:
Let the lad play and learn from his mistakes. We need stroke makers, and with time he will learn. Its too early to reign him in
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Exactly if he isnt making mistakes how is he going to learn it's good hes getting tested earlier on
 
Let him play 10 odis and 10 t20s before we judge him.if hes making mistakes that's also fine as it will help him improve.haider shouldn't be compared to babar they are not even 10 percent similar.the ball he got today was a very good delivery but should have played with a straight bat.
 
God knows why he's got an urge to play everything on leg side when he has all the shots on off side as well. It's just bad reflexes ,it will be hard for him to adjust soon.
 
It was a decent delivery tbh He didnt do much wrong today
 
Let him play 10 matches before everyone starts giving him advice on what to change. Don't forget that he is only 20 (officially) and playing at the international level may still be playing on his mind. We will never be able to produce confident and aggressive batsmen if we give Haider the treatment Babar got from Misbah at Islamabad United.
 
Inzi knows a thing or two about batting. Once the series is over the pair should spend a bit of time together.

The last thing Pakistan need is for Haider to be discarded too quickly. If Asad Technique got the investment he got, then Haider deserves a good run now that he's broken into the side.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
God knows why he's got an urge to play everything on leg side when he has all the shots on off side as well. It's just bad reflexes ,it will be hard for him to adjust soon.
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Exactly!

That’s a trademark Pakistani tulla shot - towards the cow corner. Potentially good shot in T20 but very ordinary in ODIs and Tests.

He must focus on improving his stroke making ability on the off side and driving thru the covers and mastering how to pierce the gaps - and very importantly, learn to confidently play the inside out strokes.

I hope there is some good coaching advice to expose these areas to him, otherwise another Umer Akmal in making if we keep hyping him.

All the best to him.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Exactly!

That’s a trademark Pakistani tulla shot - towards the cow corner. Potentially good shot in T20 but very ordinary in ODIs and Tests.

He must focus on improving his stroke making ability on the off side and driving thru the covers and mastering how to pierce the gaps - and very importantly, learn to confidently play the inside out strokes.

I hope there is some good coaching advice to expose these areas to him, otherwise another Umer Akmal in making if we keep hyping him.

All the best to him.
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If you actually look at the shot it didnt look like he was slogging get a 6 or a four looked more likely trying to get a single on the leg side
 
He is good but need to play on off side more.I haven't seen his off side game yet.He needs to play the ball on merit.
 
I disagree. I think Haider Ali should only play one mode - forceful. That's when he is most effective.

He can choose which balls to defend based on his instincts. Those will develop over time.
 
He plays on instincts and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Sehwag and Gibbs are perhaps the two most significant examples of batsmen who forged great careers by batting on instincts.

If PCB hire me as a batting consultant I can turn him into a Roy/Bairstow level white ball opener in about 6 months. Both are instinctual batsmen and England have made it work for them in Limited Overs.

Haider is one of the very few genuinely talented players to come through the Pakistani setup in the last few years.

If he was in England, ECB would have helped him become twice the player he can be in Pakistan. In terms of raw ability he is on par with Banton.
 
Haider scores 50 today, then let's see what inzi says then
 
Great eye, good balance, immense power and he has a touch of class in his batting.

Where he lets himself down is the premeditated slogs.

But he's a young man, he will have off days and will make mistakes - but he needs time and I'm sure he will comoe good.
 
Reminds me of a young Umar Akmal, let’s hope the PCB don’t screw him over like they did with Umar.
 
Saj said:
Great eye, good balance, immense power and he has a touch of class in his batting.

Where he lets himself down is the premeditated slogs.

But he's a young man, he will have off days and will make mistakes - but he needs time and I'm sure he will comoe good.
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Exactly! This is where coaching and environment you surround yourself with becomes so important . . that's what scares me about young Pakistani talent . . the good thing for Haider is that he will have Babar alongside him . . the rest is upto Haider himself! Discipline, hard work and smarts to know who to ignore and who to listen to!
 
If he doesnt premeditate, he could be a world beater.
 
He played well today. He played his natural game and rotated strike well. I hope he keeps playing his natural game but is more careful about his shot selection. New Zealand will be a good test for him. Different pitches and higher quality of bowling. The more he plays the more he will learn.
 
Haven't seen today's game and this is like the presidential results.....so much tension..
So Can anyone tell me whether he's finally hit a four through the offside?
 
Throughout his innings today there were probably 2 or 3 wild shots which isn't too bad compared to other innings he has played.

It seemed like he was trying to play a lot straighter too.

Good signs.
 
He has plenty of natural talent, just at times he wants to slog on the leg side for some reason when it’s not necessary.

When he plays with his top hand he looks like a top Bat. He has a good eye and sees the ball early.

He needs to play his natural game because he can be a match winner, just needs work on his temperament.
 
IMMY69 said:
Haven't seen today's game and this is like the presidential results.....so much tension..
So Can anyone tell me whether he's finally hit a four through the offside?
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He hit 2-3 classy ones through the offside today One was a really good off the back foot punch

There was 2-3 wild slogs tho He needs to put them away and hopefully he ll learn this over time
 
Mamoon said:
He plays on instincts and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Sehwag and Gibbs are perhaps the two most significant examples of batsmen who forged great careers by batting on instincts.

If PCB hire me as a batting consultant I can turn him into a Roy/Bairstow level white ball opener in about 6 months. Both are instinctual batsmen and England have made it work for them in Limited Overs.

Haider is one of the very few genuinely talented players to come through the Pakistani setup in the last few years.

If he was in England, ECB would have helped him become twice the player he can be in Pakistan. In terms of raw ability he is on par with Banton.
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Not to disrespect Roy/Bairstow but I don't think that tactically speaking, Haider going this way is the best for him and Pakistan.
I rate them as the best ODI opening pair in the world but they are allowed to fail some time because of the very strong batting line up of : Root, Morgan, Stokes Buttler.

Playing like this for Pakistan, at the moment, will not serve him any good. He will be dropped after 5 failures and a series loss.

His good abilities to rotate the SR against the spinners can take him further.

Also, the need of the hour for us is an all format player. So he should invest himself to become a strong long format batsman.
 
Babar Azam with similar sentiments for Haider....

“Haider was outstanding. Sometimes he is in a hurry, we told him to just play sensibly. The more we back these players, the better the results will be”


“We will try to play with youngsters and make a good combination in the last match and continue this form”
 
It will be hard for him to let go of his reflexes of playing mostly on leg side, he requires significant reconditioning to his technique and defense.
 
HA needs to understand the context of the game. Today it was like an extended net with little pressure. HA played some shots as if was chasing 180, not 130. He has to rotate the strike at the start as it seems that 2 dot balls trigger a slog. He has to stay positive and play but you also want to see development in small increments. My son watched the innings with me today and he felt he was an Sfridi type innings and that worried me. HA has to aim to be amongst the best in the World not another mediocre slogger.
 
Afridi , Imran Nazir , imran farhat , Umar Akmal and now Haider Ali , all the talent in the world with impulsive brain farts , I hope he doesn't go their ways.
 
This entire thread is rediculous. People talking about technique and tulla and that hes a slugger and than he should bat slow blah blah.

It's as if anybody in pakistan cricket who shows any intent to score in t20 is labelled a slugger.

It takes at least 10 matches for somebody to get comfortable in international.

You guys ever heard of tom banton? His first international series vs New Zealand he failed miserable before lighting up the BBL and ending up in PSL where he also struggled before lighting it up for team England

It's called patience
 
Muhammad Saad said:
It will be hard for him to let go of his reflexes of playing mostly on leg side, he requires significant reconditioning to his technique and defense.
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What's wrong with playing more on the leg-side? Many world class and test class players have had stronger leg side game than off side game. Playing on the off side doesn't make you a good player. I think this myth needs to retire.

Slogging should definitely be kept to a minimum, but being able to turn balls on middle or off stump to the one side isn't something everyone can do. KP used to do it from time to time and it was good to watch. It gives you another option to manipulate the field and keep rotating the strike.
 
That said, I do agree that he's very impatient. One reason for that is that he has the ability to hit the ball long, and sometimes, that makes you want to hit every ball. This is where Mickey would've been so good for him.
 
Those who want him to play all along the ground and with textbook technique should remember that we have many such players in domestics. Saud Shakil, Abdullah Shafiq, a few other youngsters including hopefully Huraira at some point. What we lack is dynamism, which Haider has plenty of.
 
IM NOT YOU said:
This entire thread is rediculous. People talking about technique and tulla and that hes a slugger and than he should bat slow blah blah.

It's as if anybody in pakistan cricket who shows any intent to score in t20 is labelled a slugger.

It takes at least 10 matches for somebody to get comfortable in international.

You guys ever heard of tom banton? His first international series vs New Zealand he failed miserable before lighting up the BBL and ending up in PSL where he also struggled before lighting it up for team England

It's called patience
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I am not sure how old you are, but we have seen many talents like HA go nowhere. It comes down to poor temperament which is linked to cricketing intelligence and for me the inability to work hard and develop their games. Good players balance risk and reward. The ones that do it best are the ones that succeed
 
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hope he plays his own game, if he plays more "sensibly" and strikes at 120 ppl will says hes lost his flair because of management.

hes easily on the best hitters pak has had in very long time (pbly since razzaq). judge his temperament when hes played 15 or 20 odis, in t20i i hope he keeps playing exactly this way, and if he fails every now and again, so be it. even if he averages 30 off 20 odd, its a good knock in this format.
 
The more he plays first class...... The more he plays 3 day 4 day games....he will develop his game further
 
ElRaja said:
hope he plays his own game, if he plays more "sensibly" and strikes at 120 ppl will says hes lost his flair because of management.

hes easily on the best hitters pak has had in very long time (pbly since razzaq). judge his temperament when hes played 15 or 20 odis, in t20i i hope he keeps playing exactly this way, and if he fails every now and again, so be it. even if he averages 30 off 20 odd, its a good knock in this format.
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This is actually a very good and delicate point that is widely misunderstood by the giver of the advice and also by the taker of advice.

"Play sensibly" in loose Pakistani terms means

a. pre-meditated blocking even the good balls
b. pre-meditated slowing down
c. pre-meditated decreasing run rate
d. pre-meditating more defensive play.
e. Pre-meditating the choking of your aggression.
f. Pre-mediate the self imposed pressure.

Well the actual meaning of playing sensible means two main things.

1 - Become versatile by expanding your stroke selection, and then mastering those strokes by extensive practice. And also building a solid defense.

2 - And then, give an occasional respect to a good ball and don't fall for the traps in the field setup, for which you should have a solid defense in place.

And you become good at point 1, then point two becomes a walk in the park.
 
ElRaja said:
hope he plays his own game, if he plays more "sensibly" and strikes at 120 ppl will says hes lost his flair because of management.

hes easily on the best hitters pak has had in very long time (pbly since razzaq). judge his temperament when hes played 15 or 20 odis, in t20i i hope he keeps playing exactly this way, and if he fails every now and again, so be it. even if he averages 30 off 20 odd, its a good knock in this format.
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Even David Warner doesn't score those 30 ball 60s anymore. It's natural to become slower with age.
 
Needs patience, otherwise he can look at how Umar Akmal used to throw his wicket away almost every time.
Sometimes I wish we had Mickey still with our team.
 
There are bad shots and there are stupid shots, the latter is what Haider sometimes plays.

But he has to be given time, people need to be patient with him and expectations have to be realistic.

He will be tested by the better bowling attacks, and that's when we will see what he is made of.
 
The partnership between Babar and Haider was a treat to watch because there were 2 contrasting batting styles to see. The traditional text book batsman out playing an eye candy aggressive batsman was a treat to witness. Babar played effortlessly and was way ahead of Haider in terms of strike rate whereas Haider seemed to be slogging his way through at the start and missed out on a lot of opportunities but Babar kept putting the bad balls away at ease without trying too hard. It was literally a teacher playing alongside his student and showing him how it's really done. Haider better have learned his lesson today, it will do him a world of good by doing whatever Babar does because technically he's the only batsman Pakistan have who can do what Babar does.
 
He is. 19 year old.....at best 20 year old....what more u expect:vk1
 
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naseem said:
He is. 19 year old.....at best 20 year old....what more u expect:vk1
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I praised him, and hope that he gets proper guidance to expand his horizons, instead of being told to play slow and play defensive, all in the name of “sensible play”.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I praised him, and hope that he gets proper guidance to expand his horizons, instead of being told to play slow and play defensive, all in the name of “sensible play”.
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He needs few first class experience ......it will help....playing along with Babar will help him too...
 
He wants the whole team to fall down in the depths of mediocrity so that his nephew (mr mediocre) would stand out.

Shukar nahi kartay ke after a long time ne have the semblance of a batting line up.
 
IMMY69 said:
Haven't seen today's game and this is like the presidential results.....so much tension..
So Can anyone tell me whether he's finally hit a four through the offside?
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He hit a six on the offside and couple of fours throw the offside they were proper cricketing shots if you have watched him in u19s you would know he can play both sides of the wicket
 
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