I disagree he rotated strike quite well against the spinners espically he only slogged a few.some of the boundaries he hit were proper cricketing shots.you can also tell he learns from his mistakes as he was playing alot straighter today
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I disagree he rotated strike quite well against the spinners espically he only slogged a few.some of the boundaries he hit were proper cricketing shots.you can also tell he learns from his mistakes as he was playing alot straighter today
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He did after some stern words from Babar. At one point Babar was coaching him, that's not Babars job, HA is not in nursery, he is playing for PK.
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He has made a very good start. Keep playing your natural game, just don’t play across the line to full straight balls! I think he will get better. Has way more talent than UA ever did. Look at the quality of shots and how much time he has to play them. There is real class there. Lets see if he can build a batting temperament. Think he is still experimenting a lot. Which is fine. He will settle down. Give him time.
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He seemed to learn and put the slog away after an initial iffy start He got better as his innings progressed Babar ws speaking to him after each poor shot and he seemed to listen
There ll be no one better for him to watch n copy than babar.on how to construct an innings whilst keeping his flair
There ll be no one better for him to watch n copy than babar.on how to construct an innings whilst keeping his flair
Yes, how ridiculous for the captain of the side / one of the the world's leading batsmen to give advice to his batting partner who is playing his third game.
Luckily the management seem to have more sense than most posters on here and have recognised that a talent like Haider needs to be managed carefully. They seem to be advising him to play more sensibly but have still given him the freedom to play his natural game and express himself. Experience is the best teacher and 2 50's in 3 innings is not a bad start by any metric.
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I really hope you’re right. I worry they will drop him soon.
I think it's good that babar is advising him babar is taking it on board I dont see anything wrong babar is an mentor he did the same thing with abdullah for central in the nation cup
No chance they will drop him
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Should start the next series ahead of
Fakhar.
Babar will open. Haider, Hafeez and Malik/Abdullah should make up the top order.
Fakhar.
Babar will open. Haider, Hafeez and Malik/Abdullah should make up the top order.
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Yeah he has some flaws which aren't very drastic, IMO.
I think his ability to strike clean, and talent to naturally have a good hand eye coordination, slightly outweighs his short comings. He also seems to have good strong wrists, and uses them pretty good.
Obviously, we don't have smashing batsmen like Sehwag burst into the international scene and never look back.
From our batting culture, Haider is not a bad production.
Should be a good player with proper advice and right training.
He sets himself up to hit the ball too hard. When it's in his arc, his base is strong and the ball sails away. However when it's not quite there, he suddenly has to readjust and his technique looks all over the place. This basically caused his dismissal in the first and third t20. He will improve though, needs to be playing in every format in my opinion.
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In my opinion, he needs to open in T20Is alongside Babar, and Abdullah needs to come at 3, if we persist with this trio at the top, it will be a hell of a top order, but we have to bear in mind, these guys will fail, we need to back them
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37 sixes in 21 matches in 2020 and at number 10 for the year with respect to number of sixes.
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Obviously it would have been good for the stats, but is it a bad thing that Haider seems more concerned about the strike rate stat than the average stat? I think it’s quite refreshing, as long as he cuts out the nothing shots like you mentioned.
True and also it's noticeable that he premeditates his shots and that gets him into trouble.
But these are flaws that can be corrected.
Overall he has more positives than negatives as a batsman and he looks the best young batsmen to come out of Pakistan for several years.
Agreed I would go with that three azwell
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I would like one big hitting left hander in there to throw the bowler off his line.
It’s weird that he premeditates his shots so much given his good eye, fast hands and ability to pick the length early.
Completely agree about his potential.
Batting is a muscle memory task and he has just not played enough for it to become as second nature as it should. He just needs to bat and bat and bat like Babar and Smith did. His talent will do the rest and he will become an ATG.
I would have included fakhar but he has just been to poor the only other option is sharjeel unless thiers others ?
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Maybe Zeeshan? Not sure how fast he is though.
The tour of New Zealand will provide us with a clearer indication of where Haider is as a player at the moment and what he needs to work on.
He'll come up against several high quality pacers in NZ and they will certainly test him out especially against the short ball.
He'll come up against several high quality pacers in NZ and they will certainly test him out especially against the short ball.
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People have rightly pointed out his premeditated shots and his potential weakness around the short ball. However, one thing that's apparent to me is his personality, that's currently holding him back a bit.
It's very clear that Alhamdulillah he's incredibly talented. But because of this, batting almost comes too easy to him and hence he either:
a) loses concentration and gets out to nothing balls. Case in point is the LBW and the caught behind against Ngarava, when he played across the line, when an on drive would have sufficed.
b) beats himself up if he doesn't put a bad ball away. Case in point was the dismissal in the third T20i where, the ball before he got out, he really really was annoyed with himself for not getting a shot away. Next ball, he carried his annoyance into his shot, and promptly nicked off.
My point is, the best sportsman stay in the moment they need to and switch off in between play. A Pakistani example of this was Mo Yousuf in his record breaking test year. I remember, when Pakistan toured England (in 07 I believe), the english commentators remarked on how Yousuf was able to switch off between balls, and then concentrated on the ball he was currently facing.
Younis, a vastly inferior technical batsmen was good at that too. If he can train Haider's mind to be more present in the moment, InshAllah you may see lesser of these innocuous dismissals.
Just my two cents!
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Certainly will be given a stern test with express pacers of NZ and their nature of pitches. How he does against Ferguson, Milne and Henry would be interesting. Seeing Sohaib Maqsood bat against Steyn and co in his debut series was a horrifying sight. He had impressed with 2 consecutive fifties in his first 2 ODI's.
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On the contrary, I think he is pretty darn good at playing the short ball. He pretty effectively delivers that classic trademark of a Pakistani tulla shot towards the cow corner between deep mid-on and deep midwicket.
This actually seems like his strongest shot which is again, a good and effective hammer in T20. Effective in ODI's, and IMO, an agricultural unorthodox slog in Test cricket.
The problem I've noted is that when he premeditates this cow corner slog to a ball which is on the good length or not short enough, he gets trapped and struggles to find room.
But on the other hand,
The pace, style and culture in Test cricket has already changed quite a bit. That "classic stroke play" seems like a diminishing art just like the charm of pace bowling is choked due to the hell bent rules in favor of the batsman. Thanks to T20.
The mindset and approach of the batsmen has evolved. Tests are now usually decided in 3 to 4 days. I mean, when was the last time you saw a Test opener carrying his bat? When was the last time we saw batsman running 4 runs? (Thanks to ever decreasing boundary lines)
So this sorta of subtle Tulla batting style perhaps IS the future of cricket?
In which case, he isn't a bad find when you look at the absolute pathetic standard of our domestic cricket.
My major concern for him perhaps not whether he gets the right advice or not (which is definitely very important) but an even more important aspect is the yearning fans who are desperately awaiting another Javed, or Inzi or MoYo or YK churned out by our domestic cricket. And when these fans see a small glimpse of talent in a new batsman, they all jump on the hype bandwagon and put the player over the moon just when he gets his feet wet in the international arena.
This in turn, makes the player feel like he is ultimate hero and he has done it all.
There is nothing more to be achieved, and hence, he puts the learning process on the backburner and focuses more on making sure that his collars are raised during the field.
I think Umer Akmal would be a classical example of this.
He was hyped so much that he totally lost it all.
Let's hope Haider Ali remains wise and conscious of handling the fame. Those fans will perhaps won't ever learn how to strike a fair balance between the sticks and carrots.
Zeeshan Ashraf is a good option he can hit the ball and is okay keeper hes in my squad but not sure if I would play him oppening or down the order
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Okay, so get him in to open. But actually, on second thoughts, I can come up with something more dynamic that will give us firepower straight off the bat.
Haider
Khushdil
Babar (c)
Abdullah
Zeeshan (wk)
Rohail/Talat
Imad
Qadir
Hasnain
Shaheen
Rauf
So now we have 2 explosive hitters with a left/right combo and quality batsmen to follow in the middle order. Zeeshan, Talat and Imad all have the ability to hit big lower down. The bowlers should also work on their power game.
I believe having 2 quality spinners can be a game changer, hence why I have included 2 specialist spinners but crucially Imad can hit as well. I will see if I can tweak and improve this line up further then post in the other thread at a later time.
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When you write it, it works well in theory but truth is Khushdil is much better against spin than against pace. He will probably be found out against the moving ball more often than not. Swap Zeeshan and Khushdil, I say.
Also, include Hafeez, his current form warrants persisting with him for one year or so. Lastly, your 3 and 4 are a little slow for my liking. Babar does well in the opening spot and I see no reason to drop him a number.
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Thanks for the input, food for thought. For now, I've deliberately left out Hafeez as I know he will play for the next year at least but this was more of future proofed team.
My preference is one left hander as an opener but a lot of people want Haider to open as well. So if I stick Babar back to open, then I will have to move down Haider to accommodate Zeeshan which might be okay as Haider has done well lower down the order.
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Haider has so far looked fantastic against spin, so I feel the number 3 position suits him well as he typically comes in during the second half of the powerplay and if he stays longer than even 6 balls, will be facing an over or two of spin. I see what you mean in terms of a future proofed team, let me give it a shot.
Here’s a speculative long-term team:
1. Babar Azam (c)
2. Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
3. Haider Ali
4. Shadab Khan (vc)
5. Khushdil Shah
6. Hussain Talat
7. Danish Aziz
8. Imad Wasim
9. Haris Rauf
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Mohammad Hasnain
12th man: Amad Butt
Right now, though, very few of the above names have proved themselves, while others not listed above may perform better (for example, Abdullah Shafique is a starter in my ODI team but not so sure as of yet about his dynamism in T20’s).
That’s why until 2021, Hafeez and even Iftikhar come in, to be honest.
That's the position I would play zeeshan Ashraf at number 5 and I would play khushdil at 6 or 7.also I would 100 percent pick shadab if hes fit.
I would go with
Haider
Babar
Abdullah
Hafeez
Zeeshan Ashraf
Khushdil
Imad
Shadab
Shaheen
Husnain
Rauf
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Shaheen's ball to Haider today (PSL eleminator) was almost unplayable so not sure if one can blame him.
I think he got abit of luck but facing that first ball is tough
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I’ll be the first to write, Haider Ali at the moment has no chance against Trent Boult in Pakistan let alone New Zealand. In fact I’m not sure most of the Pakistani batsmen besides Babar and this version of Hafeez stand a chance.
I feel Pakistan can utilise Haider more by sending him down the order at 4/5 instead of open or number 3 as the New Zealand pace bowlers know how to make the ball talk unlike our bowlers.
Boult, Southee, Henry and Ferguson are a tier above whatever Haider has faced up to now in his international career. Plus Santner is a very experienced bowler by now, also De Grandhome knows how to keep it tight as well.
A tough, tough series for any young batsman. Just hope that he isn’t in the deep end and having to fight without any support
The plus side of the New Zealand tour and its grounds are that they do favour those who want to be brave and take the game on. So who knows? We might see Haider Ali feeling like he is in a favourite type of playground of his with the small boundaries and the extra pace and bounce on the bat.
I feel Pakistan can utilise Haider more by sending him down the order at 4/5 instead of open or number 3 as the New Zealand pace bowlers know how to make the ball talk unlike our bowlers.
Boult, Southee, Henry and Ferguson are a tier above whatever Haider has faced up to now in his international career. Plus Santner is a very experienced bowler by now, also De Grandhome knows how to keep it tight as well.
A tough, tough series for any young batsman. Just hope that he isn’t in the deep end and having to fight without any support
The plus side of the New Zealand tour and its grounds are that they do favour those who want to be brave and take the game on. So who knows? We might see Haider Ali feeling like he is in a favourite type of playground of his with the small boundaries and the extra pace and bounce on the bat.
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Haider will thrive against New Zealand A probably. And the T20I games I am sure he will learn to play a little more slower for the first 5-6 balls or so especially if it’s swinging around.
Hes not going to play in the test squad but he should play in the shaheens.
I think you cant keep haider quite you have to get him early if he survives 10 balls.
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I’m talking about T20 cricket. Haider will play all of those games for sure
If he plays the t20 for the main team he proberly wont start the main test team I would rather he plays for the shaheens in the 4 day and the shaheens games in the t20s
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The problem with him is that he takes too many risks to score quickly and when you are short of confidence and scores, a trough can become a depression. And the problem with the lad is that he looks a bit thick.
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Haider Ali working hard on making himself irrelevant in Pakistan cricket. I sincerely hope he makes sure that he plays the entire domestic 4 day competition and establish some confidence.
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He should open and not plat at 5 or 6 , thats good he isn't selected for 5 or 6.
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Gutted for him not being selected for WC, but he himself has to take the blame.
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He needs to learn how to construct an innings. Shouldn't be brought back unless he make improvements or we have another Umar Akmal in our hands.
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Another disappointing effort by Haider Ali.
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Playing in these T20 leagues isn't always the pinnacle that some think it is.
At times they can destroy players and really shatter their confidence.
I say again, the PCB needs to look at which players and when they are sending them to theses leagues.
At times they can destroy players and really shatter their confidence.
I say again, the PCB needs to look at which players and when they are sending them to theses leagues.
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Agree wholeheartedly There seems to be some real issues with our young players mentality and the pcb on how they manage and develop these players The lack of shrewd brains in our cricket is startling
This kid should be playing nothing but FC for the next two seasons He needs to develop his cricket skills learn the art of batting, concentration, patience, technique etc
The last thing he needs is t20 cricket and playing these leagues which will only hinder his development more than enhancing it Hes already regressed in the last year after being fed on a diet of t20
The way he is going he ll be finished as a player in 2years rather than being a top class batter for pakistan Pcb needs to intervene and get him working with the likes of mohd yousuf and get him back on track playing only the longer versions of thr game
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The kid needs a few good seasons in domestic cricket to reinvigorate himself back into the Pakistan team. Fortunately he has time on his side. Find a position in the order and stick to it.
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Dropped by Pakistan, Peshawar Zalmi and now his CPL franchise. He really needs to realize that he needs to play a whole domestic season back in Pakistan to regain some form and get maximum game time.
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Honestly, this guy has more potential than Babar Azam.
The fact that he’s only 20 and already had some taste of success in international cricket and that too against a team like England is just crazy.
In the next 5 years, we’re going to see the real Haider Ali, and he’ll be playing alongside Babar Azam who’ll be at the peak of his career.
The fact that he’s only 20 and already had some taste of success in international cricket and that too against a team like England is just crazy.
In the next 5 years, we’re going to see the real Haider Ali, and he’ll be playing alongside Babar Azam who’ll be at the peak of his career.
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Another one going down the Sohaib Maqsood path
Umar Akmal was Don Bradman in comparison to him
Umar Akmal was Don Bradman in comparison to him
Talk about hyperbole, i was Haider Fan too, but all the evidence prove exactly opposite to what you claiming, Just another one in long and never ending list of what could have been and wasted potential. Maybe more than talent it's the lack of system to nurture it properly, in today's world natural talent can only take you so far.
Very hard, next to impossible if you consider Pakistan cricket set-up and lack of development, not to forget fear of axe monopoly/lobby.
The way he's playing at 20, will be exactly the way he will be playing when he's 25, 30 and 35.
Same guy for whom Pak Twitter was up in arms as he was excluded from the squad?
Seriously, our awaam is the most delusional bunch around! Screaming and wailing for malik and Haider
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Lol taste of success against England in a fluke t20 50
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Like I said, he’s 20 years old…20
our fans judge players way too quick. Can you tell me one 20 year old from anywhere in the world that was averaging 40-50 with a good SR?The guy has another 5-6 years of learning to do before he should be judged on. When he’s 25-26 I expect him to be just as good as Babar, but only if he works hard for it.
Bro, scoring back to back 50’s can’t be called a fluke.
We can’t just put a player down when he performs well and label his innings as a fluke but when he fails then we say he isn’t good enough.
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Like I said, he’s 20 years old…20
The guy has another 5-6 years of learning to do before he should be judged on. When he’s 25-26 I expect him to be just as good as Babar, but only if he works hard for it.
Bro, scoring back to back 50’s can’t be called a fluke.
We can’t just put a player down when he performs well and label his innings as a fluke but when he fails then we say he isn’t good enough.
He just doesnt seem to be learning Hes 20 not 15 There should be some apptitude and brains shown even at 20
He keeps repeating the same mistakes and this diet of t20 isnt helping
Talent is nothing without brains, hardwork and learning from your mistakes
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Based on history, majority of cricketers peak around 28-31. If every country was to judge a player at the age of 20 then we wouldn’t have Kohli, Buttler, Stokes, SHARMA etc.
If Haider Ali was playing for England and scored back to back 50’s against a top team away from home at the age of 20 then they’d turn Haider Ali into the next Buttler by the age of 25.
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I think your getting excited Anybody can hit a 50 even at 20 Thats doesnt mean everyone can become a buttler or Ab
Hes got a lot of hard work and a lot of flaws to correct Lets see if hes willing to do this Hes a million miles away at the moment to becoming a succesful intnl cricketer never mind a buttler or babar azam
I still have faith.
I have faith in Mohammad Yousuf who stated in an interview with PakPassion that he needs some time with Haider to assess his batting and work on his weaknesses.
Time is on Haider's side, but his downward spiral is very alarming.
Agreed - I think if Yousuf gets some time with Haider he can improve him.
However, the million dollar question is - how long will yousuf last in his role with Rameez at the helm if you consider their “history” between the two. I hope Rameez does not make a personal decision on this and looks at the bigger picture
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The number of eyes looking at him from critical perspective is exaggerated because of him being an international player (One of the other drawbacks of debuting someone early). As an example most of the posters posting on this thread wouldnt even have been interested in him or what he was doing at domestic level (Qasim Akram or any other young guys thread can be looked at as sample study) if it wasnt for him playing some international matches and more so because of a 50 on debut.
He is just going through a natural phase which literally 90-99% of the youngsters go through (We can discuss multiple examples from present or past if someone wants to). Nobody can surely predict what he will become once outside of that phase but, he obviously has the raw skills to build upon ane where he goes from here only time can tell.
However, expectations of fans to have world class 20-21 year old players here and there is completely unrealistic and even the best of the cricket playing countries currently have literally no one in that category (Yes one or two players in couple or so countries maybe bit more developed).
He is just going through a natural phase which literally 90-99% of the youngsters go through (We can discuss multiple examples from present or past if someone wants to). Nobody can surely predict what he will become once outside of that phase but, he obviously has the raw skills to build upon ane where he goes from here only time can tell.
However, expectations of fans to have world class 20-21 year old players here and there is completely unrealistic and even the best of the cricket playing countries currently have literally no one in that category (Yes one or two players in couple or so countries maybe bit more developed).
Expecting a finished product at 20 is foolish.
Up & downs for a young player is expected especially for one that hasn't played a whole lot of domestic and is facing top International calibre players on a consistent basis. It will be good for him to take this all in, go into the domestic season and put work in fixing his technical flaws.
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"We need one or 2 'badtameez type of batsmen' in the middle-order" : Inzamam-ul-Haq Oct 2020
"Haider Ali should be more sensible in his approach" : Inzamam-ul-Haq Nov 2020
Fine line I suppose.
"Haider Ali should be more sensible in his approach" : Inzamam-ul-Haq Nov 2020
Fine line I suppose.
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Have a feeling this guy was mismanaged by the nothing coaches in Misbah and Waqar.
In his very short stint in intl cricket Haider has batted in all 6 positions starting from 1
When he was in prime form looking to dominate every bowling attack Misbah shoved him and gave him a chance at the very last game of the tour which was his debut and he scored a fifty
Then in NZL tour when Babar was injured he shuffled Haider and Abdullah shafiq every other game , had no clue who to open with or the entire batting order
Haider was spoiled asking to bat at all positions and Abdullah shafiq is now being carried as passenger for every tour.
This is why I have been saying Misbah and Waqar are such a poor leaders of men who don’t know how to build or even handle a built team . Good riddance they were.
In his very short stint in intl cricket Haider has batted in all 6 positions starting from 1
When he was in prime form looking to dominate every bowling attack Misbah shoved him and gave him a chance at the very last game of the tour which was his debut and he scored a fifty
Then in NZL tour when Babar was injured he shuffled Haider and Abdullah shafiq every other game , had no clue who to open with or the entire batting order
Haider was spoiled asking to bat at all positions and Abdullah shafiq is now being carried as passenger for every tour.
This is why I have been saying Misbah and Waqar are such a poor leaders of men who don’t know how to build or even handle a built team . Good riddance they were.
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TeymurBlake
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He still has plenty of time on his side to turn his career around, he just needs proper guidance from a good domestic coach and some domestic seasons under his belt.
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