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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Pandya is a class apart. He is in Ben Stokes class and possibly better in LOIs. Yeah, Stokes has an iconic innings, but overall his record is mediocre for an allrounder. He is basically a good batsman who bowls a bit in ODI and complete nobody in T20Is. Faheem is nobody in LOIs. But Pandya may never scale great heights due to his injuries and huge workload. He will probably retire with some 150+ wickets and 3500 runs in ODI s and similar number in T20Is. I don't see much future for him in Test due to his workload. Hope I am proven wrong and he does better
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, I am known as an expert for a reason.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is proven right more often than not. He seems to have a great eye for talent. Good call, but honestly this one was easy. No one except die hard pakistani fans thought Faheem was better than Pandya
 
Mobashir said:
The expert Mamoon see this guy as an Indian captain.
It should be disgusting to have a player who over-rates himself so much.
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If he maintains his fitness, he is likely to be next LOI captain for India. Rohit doesn't have fuel left in the tank, may be until next ODI WC. So [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right, if he saw him as Indian captain.
 
The gap gets bigger with each passing match.

No comparison at the moment.
 
Hardik Pandya bowling is a huge boost for India as he brings the much needed balance in the LOI team. His batting talent was never in question.
 
Mamoon said:
Genius insight as usual.
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Mamoon said:
Another gem.
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Mamoon said:
Yes, I am known as an expert for a reason.
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What has happened?

Pandya finally averages 50 as a batsman in test cricket as you predicted?
Or all this because he has scored 100 runs in 3 innings and contributed to a win in the 3rd?

Well my prediction of him not taking 50 test wickets still stands and I don't see it going wrong in the near future.
 
Mobashir said:
What has happened?

Pandya finally averages 50 as a batsman in test cricket as you predicted?
Or all this because he has scored 100 runs in 3 innings and contributed to a win in the 3rd?

Well my prediction of him not taking 50 test wickets still stands and I don't see it going wrong in the near future.
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Well, he dont play test cricket due to fitness and probably never would again. So test stats are moot point.

Pandya avg's following against top sides in ODIs

Aus- 68.57

Pakistan- 61

England - 44.66

Faheem Ashraf is no where near to Pandya in terms of all rounder comparison.
 
Just like KL Rahul, Mr Pandya also lacks consistency. Look at his stats, any player who gets these many chances can play 1-2 match winning inning and keep his place in the team.

Guys like Shardul, Chahar, Hooda if these guys play and get regular chances like Pandya even they can do that and they have shown they are capable of doing it. At the moment Pandya is ahead of Faheem Ashraf and he should be compared with Ben Stokes. I wonder why our fans don't compare these two though? :inti
 
Rajdeep said:
Well, he dont play test cricket due to fitness and probably never would again. So test stats are moot point.

Pandya avg's following against top sides in ODIs

Aus- 68.57

Pakistan- 61

England - 44.66

Faheem Ashraf is no where near to Pandya in terms of all rounder comparison.
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These are magnificent numbers and cements Pandya's spot as the greatest all rounder in the world in LOIs. Even Babar doesn't average 60+ in LOIs vs top teams like Aus, Eng and Pak. :inti
 
Rajdeep said:
Well, he dont play test cricket due to fitness and probably never would again. So test stats are moot point.

Pandya avg's following against top sides in ODIs

Aus- 68.57

Pakistan- 61

England - 44.66

Faheem Ashraf is no where near to Pandya in terms of all rounder comparison.
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Actually on all these pages I never argued about Faheem being better. Faheem is as bad you get.

Pandya's bowling is average and will remain average.
He has batted well in some matches, let's see if he can carry this. But so far, nothing to write home about.

Regarding test stats- Mamoon sees him as a 50 averaging batsman.
 
Mobashir said:
Actually on all these pages I never argued about Faheem being better. Faheem is as bad you get.

Pandya's bowling is average and will remain average.
He has batted well in some matches, let's see if he can carry this. But so far, nothing to write home about.

Regarding test stats- Mamoon sees him as a 50 averaging batsman.
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Pandya is the greatest allrounder in LOIs these days so there is a very good chance that he may make a comeback in tests and start averaging 50. Some fans even said that he can play as a specialist batsman in tests but those fans got an egg on their faces when selectors dropped him from the test team because of his inability to bowl. Not even Kohli is averaging 50 these days, Root just started averaging around 50. This tells you how easy it is to average 50 in test cricket. :inti
 
Averaging 50 in tests can only happen if teams turn back to flat pitches. But then everyone will lose interest in test cricket. Test Cricket is surviving only because of these sportive pitches (and home advantages if its so)

Pandya cannot play in tests (for time being) because team management knows that it drops down the chances of him playing in LOIs as well. He has fragile fitness (just like his buddy KL Rahul)

But down the line Selectors will understand that Thakur is not an answer for Test A/R. Best bet is to play Jadeja as the lone spinner, bat at No.7 and have 4 full-fledged seamers (like Bumrah, Shami, Siraj & Umesh - with Shami & Bumrah good enough to bat at No.8 & 9) Pandya may come into consideration (in tests) if he improves his fitness and if we decide to play a better spinner in place of Jadeja. At the moment Jadeja is giving the kind balance to our test team like Pandya is giving in LOIs...
 
Ab Fan said:
These are magnificent numbers and cements Pandya's spot as the greatest all rounder in the world in LOIs. Even Babar doesn't average 60+ in LOIs vs top teams like Aus, Eng and Pak. :inti
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Imad Wasim says hi:

Avg and sr:

Australia- 40 @112
England- 55 @ 112
India- 71@116
South Africa- 113 @ 163!!!!

Easily better.
 
Mobashir said:
Actually on all these pages I never argued about Faheem being better. Faheem is as bad you get.

Pandya's bowling is average and will remain average.
He has batted well in some matches, let's see if he can carry this. But so far, nothing to write home about.

Regarding test stats- Mamoon sees him as a 50 averaging batsman.
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Interesting, bcoz I thought that is the purpose of this thread...to compare between the two.

Anyway, for an all rounder you cant expect him to be a strike bowler like Bumrah. His fitness is the issue but when he can bend his back, he is a decent enough 4th seamer in the side. Not sure if you followed the recent England series but he bounced England out with pace which fetched him Man of the Series award. He is a better white ball bowler than Ben Stokes. Check his bowling in 2019 world cup as well. His batting was never in doubt anyway...so not going into this dicussion.

He was a very talented test player as well with a debut test century in Srilanka (comprising of 7 sixes), a 5fer in England etc. Its just that he don't want to play test cricket anymore as he is not fit enough for 5 day cricket.

Watch cricket more.
 
Rajdeep said:
Interesting, bcoz I thought that is the purpose of this thread...to compare between the two.

Anyway, for an all rounder you cant expect him to be a strike bowler like Bumrah. His fitness is the issue but when he can bend his back, he is a decent enough 4th seamer in the side. Not sure if you followed the recent England series but he bounced England out with pace which fetched him Man of the Series award. He is a better white ball bowler than Ben Stokes. Check his bowling in 2019 world cup as well. His batting was never in doubt anyway...so not going into this dicussion.

He was a very talented test player as well with a debut test century in Srilanka (comprising of 7 sixes), a 5fer in England etc. Its just that he don't want to play test cricket anymore as he is not fit enough for 5 day cricket.

Watch cricket more.
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He doesn't want to play test cricket?
 
Marooned said:
Imad Wasim says hi:

Avg and sr:

Australia- 40 @112
England- 55 @ 112
India- 71@116
South Africa- 113 @ 163!!!!

Easily better.
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Plain stats inflated by not outs and without context. Bowling average is 44 and wicket taken and runs scored is lesser than even Pandya. The only point in which Imad is ahead is age.
 
In Test Cricket, Jadeja is doing great and I think after him, Washington can play that role so Pandya's importance is more in LOI cricket as there is no all rounder in India anywhere close to him there.

As long as anyone is saying that he is next Kapil Dev or an ATG, there is no need to call him out with terms like mediocre or overrated cricketer. In LOIs, he is probably Maxwell level( inferior batter but superior bowler) and Maxwell has done pretty well in limited overs career too. Yuvraj and Buttler also failed in Test Cricket but were genuine match winner in LOIs and so is Pandya.
 
Ab Fan said:
Plain stats inflated by not outs and without context. Bowling average is 44 and wicket taken and runs scored is lesser than even Pandya. The only point in which Imad is ahead is age.
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These aren't plain stats. These are literally in the same format as the stats you quoted with sr added.

Runs scored, wickets taken are less but he has played 11 less games, and bats lower.

Context? I'll give you some too. Pandya's Australia stats are inflated by playing on absolute roads in 20/21 series where Steve smith (not Abd) was
hitting centuries at 150 sr...

Averages a full 10 runs more with bat overall, better vs good teams too.

With the ball, he has much better economy. That's his role anyway.
Pandya did well in England series on pitches with extra bounce but otherwise, he is very hittable and a weak link in bowling.
 
Can we close this thread with the conclusion that Hardik can win any match with bat and / or ball while Faheem is neither a good batsman nor a bowler?
 
Ucdkee said:
Can we close this thread with the conclusion that Hardik can win any match with bat and / or ball while Faheem is neither a good batsman nor a bowler?
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Faheem needs more chances too.

But as it stands, Pandya is miles ahead.
 
Pandya has now started delivering at international LOI level upto his potential. Shame how due to fitness issues he has not played as much cricket across the formats as he should have by now but, he has proved in recent times that he can be a game changer on his day.

Faheem just hasn't developed. Bowling pace has gone down a bit while stroke making in LOIs is as poor as some of the other middle order batsmen we have going around. The only impactful knocks he was able to produce at international level were in red ball cricket endorsing the fact that stats don't lie as his domestic LOI numbers have been ordinary while red ball numbers were decent. He better start batting in top 5 in domestic cricket to grow his batting a bit in LOIs.
 
Another embarrassing comparison. Our fans will never learn.

Faheem’s fluked a few runs last year but he is now back to his mediocre self.

He was never anywhere near Pandya in any format but some of our deluded fans were adamant that he was better. They will never learn anything about cricket.
 
Ah, Lord Faheem, Pakistan's finest all rounder. It's true we shouldn't be comparing him to a misfit like Pandya, it should be Ben Stokes and give him the captaincy!
 
dravidthewall said:
Not good comeback by faheem in test. Hope he does well vs newzealand.
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If the selectors have any sense he will be nowhere near the test squad for nz after his absolute shambles of a performance against england this series
 
Hardik has made incredible progress as an all-rounder and now leads the Indian T20 team as captain. He's become the second most valuable player in the team after Kohli. On the other hand, Faheem is still struggling to establish himself as a key player in the Pakistan team, and it's not quite the same for him.
 
Pandya is the most reliable batsman in ODIs after Rohit & Kohli, most reliable bowler after Bumrah & Kuldeep!
 
There is no comparison in limited over formats . pandya is way ahead of Faheem in all departments
 
I don't think there should be a comparison between these two. Pandya is way better player in all three departments and if you see the records of both players, you will have a good idea why I said that there should be a comparison.

HARDIK PANDYA RECORDS:
Test Batting Average: 31.29
Test Bowling Average: 31.05
ODI Batting Average: 33.80
ODI Bowling Average: 37.42
T20I Batting Average: 25.43
T20I Bowling Average: 26.71


FAHEEM ASHRAF RECORDS:
Test Batting Average: 28.04
Test Bowling Average: 35.87
ODI Batting Average: 10.66
ODI Bowling Average: 46.30
T20I Batting Average: 12.44
T20I Bowling Average: 27.25
 
RamLakhan said:
Pandya is the most reliable batsman in ODIs after Rohit & Kohli, most reliable bowler after Bumrah & Kuldeep!
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Absolutely. He performs in crucial situations and can turn the match with bat and bowl both. There is nothing wrong he did when he was under-bowling himself in bilaterals and trying to stay injury free.

He averages 55 vs Australia, 44 vs England and 69 vs Pakistan with bat. These are major cricket teams and his numbers are extremely impressive.
 
Mobashir said:
What has happened?

Pandya finally averages 50 as a batsman in test cricket as you predicted?
Or all this because he has scored 100 runs in 3 innings and contributed to a win in the 3rd?

Well my prediction of him not taking 50 test wickets still stands and I don't see it going wrong in the near future.
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yeah @Mobashir.. what has happened?
 
After all dust has settled Rana jee has finished with more Test runs and wickets than Hardik.
 
In Test cricket Fahim Ashraf is a better option compared to Hardik but in shorter format of cricket Rana sahab doesnt come anywhere near to Pandya, he is mile ahead!
 
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