Hardik Pandya vs Imad Wasim

[Titan24]

Both bat at no 7 for their respective teams more often than not and bowl 7-10 overs regularly as 5th bowler. Similarly both play the role of lower order hitters for their respective international sides and have high strike rates. Their style of bowling and Pandya being right hander and Imad being left hander are the only major differences so I thought we can compare both and their respective strengths and weaknesses.

Imad Wasim

Batting Avg: 42
SR: 109
5 50s

Bowling avg: 44
Economy: 4.82

Hardik Pandya

Batting avg: 29
SR: 115
4 50s

Bowling avg: 40
Economy: 5.56

T20 is not a comparison at the moment as both have been pretty okish with bat while Imad is miles ahead in the T20 format as a bowler.

At the moment Imad looks bit more valuable in ODIs to me with consistency in his batting as his avg reflects and in bowling he gives a pretty good economy for modern day cricket.

Orcourse Pandya is younger and has a lot of potential to improve as well.

So what do you guys think?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pandya should have assume a flexible role. He was expected to be a slogger. Much better bat than that as he displyed in Tests. This standing deep inside the crease was suitable for slogging not for building an innings.

Imad maximized his limitations.

 

[Suleiman]

Imad has always been underrated with the bat, not sure why. Has a pretty high FC average too.

Should polish his batting more and play as a batting all rounder.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Not bad from imad.
Didn't expected this record before reading thread i thought this comparison is bizarre. But it looks like imad is better.

 

[nextover666666]

I think personally pandya is a more talented batsman
Imad is talented to but why he is doing better is because he plays smarter and Calculates his risks properly he is very underrated

 

[Napa]

One head to head encounter was very one-sided. In the Champions Trophy group game they directly faced each other for 5 balls. Imad bowled 4 balls to Pandya from which he scored 19* runs, and Pandya got Imad out the first ball he bowled to him.

This thread may end up like the Fahim-Pandya thread.

 

[rhony]

Did Imad take any wickets in this WC? I guess that ends the debate. Batting wise Pandya is better but Imad can score runs as well even though his scoring zones are limited.

 

[saeed5646]

One head to head encounter was very one-sided. In the Champions Trophy group game they directly faced each other for 5 balls. Imad bowled 4 balls to Pandya from which he scored 19* runs, and Pandya got Imad out the first ball he bowled to him.

This thread may end up like the Fahim-Pandya thread.

Oh man you comes up with some ridiculous analogy .Thankfully this time you didn't bring newbie like husnain with pandya

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Imad Wasim for me, he is the next captain material. Should bat up the order and Pakistan can go in with four pacers. Shadab is unnecessary in the team.

 

[shailee]

Both are doing decent job for their team but they are not specialist in either field.

 

[Manik Rao]

Against non-minnows, Imad is just another Amla clone, programmed to score soft runs and inflate his average with Not Outs.

Most of the times he posts decent scores is when the match is already lost and the opposition is just going through the motions to complete overs.

 

[Captain caveman]

Imad Wasim for me, he is the next captain material. Should bat up the order and Pakistan can go in with four pacers. Shadab is unnecessary in the team.

Once again bro, you are absolutely right!!
You are a great cricket analyst!!

 

[Captain caveman]

Against non-minnows, Imad is just another Amla clone, programmed to score soft runs and inflate his average with Not Outs.

Most of the times he posts decent scores is when the match is already lost and the opposition is just going through the motions to complete overs.

Afghanistan game?

 

[Captain caveman]

Both are doing decent job for their team but they are not specialist in either field.

Imad is actually a batsman who bowls, similar to hafeez!
If imad is given a run higher up the order, he has the ability to score centuries!!

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Imad needs to bat up the order ... if he can cement his place as no6 .. and perform there, then he can be talked about.. at the min, he is some1 who gets lots of applause for scoring runs on an "on n off" basis... as long as he keeps himself that way, there is no comparison...

Pandya for me is ahead of him.. he is a confirmed no6 and is expected to score runs.... and is scrutanized on tht...

 

[hur rizvi]

Imad should bat 1 position up

His first class batting tells me he is a genuine bat

Moving forward

Fakhar (for time being)
Imam
Babar
Haris
Rizwan
Imad
Yamin (for time being)
Shadab/Zafar gohar
Amir
Shahen
Hasnain/Haris rauf/nasim shah

 

[Manik Rao]

Afghanistan game?

I specifically mentioned Non-minnows at the beginning of my post. Not to mention he was rescued, once by the dumb umpire who denied Rashid a plumb LBW & then by His Highness Gulbadin Naib, who brought his own trundling self on, at a time when Rashid & Shinwari had Imad under total control.

P.s: A number 6 batsman should possess the power game to take his team over the line even when the RRR is beyond 10. Haven't seen Imad do that even once thus far.

 

[hur rizvi]

I specifically mentioned Non-minnows at the beginning of my post. Not to mention he was rescued, once by the dumb umpire who denied Rashid a plumb LBW & then by His Highness Gulbadin Naib, who brought his own trundling self on, at a time when Rashid & Shinwari had Imad under total control.

P.s: A number 6 batsman should possess the power game to take his team over the line even when the RRR is beyond 10. Haven't seen Imad do that even once thus far.

He might not be a world beater but he’s doing good enough job for Pakistan

Has ability to bat at 6. Only weakness in his batting is short ball if he can work on that he’ll only improve

 

[Manik Rao]

Stats when seen in isolation, hide more than what they reveal.

Pandya may have similar statistics to Imad, but what these stats won't tell you is that Pandya can crank his strike rate up to 200 and even beyond when needed. Whereas, 9 times out of 10, Imad would operate in his harmless (100-110) zone.

 

[Captain caveman]

Imad should bat 1 position up

His first class batting tells me he is a genuine bat

Moving forward

Fakhar (for time being)
Imam
Babar
Haris
Rizwan
Imad
Yamin (for time being)
Shadab/Zafar gohar
Amir
Shahen
Hasnain/Haris rauf/nasim shah

Yamin is a terrible bowler!!
We don't have a genuine pace allrounder, so lets drop these fake allrounders!
Play fakhar in this position, as we lack a power hitter and fakhar has been found out as an opener!
Imam is not good enough!!
Open with ahsan ali and shajeel/ junior
And look for a better wicketkeeper batsman!
Also saud shakeel needs to be drafted into the pak team!!

 

[szundercover]

Imad wasim is better than pandya with the bat.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Stats when seen in isolation, hide more than what they reveal.

Pandya may have similar statistics to Imad, but what these stats won't tell you is that Pandya can crank his strike rate up to 200 and even beyond when needed. Whereas, 9 times out of 10, Imad would operate in his harmless (100-110) zone.

When needed? Why did he not do that against New Zealand then?

 

[hur rizvi]

Yamin is a terrible bowler!!
We don't have a genuine pace allrounder, so lets drop these fake allrounders!
Play fakhar in this position, as we lack a power hitter and fakhar has been found out as an opener!
Imam is not good enough!!
Open with ahsan ali and shajeel/ junior
And look for a better wicketkeeper batsman!
Also saud shakeel needs to be drafted into the pak team!!

I don’t think we can afford to play a specialist hitter. Someone at 7 or 8 needs to contribute something with ball too

Yamin has talent to be a good hitter and can give 4-5 overs of new ball swing. I would like him to get a run and if he doesn’t perform look for other options. That’s why I have a time being against his name

Fakhar should either improve as opener or get dumped. That’s why there is a time being against his name

 

[hur rizvi]

Yamin is a terrible bowler!!
We don't have a genuine pace allrounder, so lets drop these fake allrounders!
Play fakhar in this position, as we lack a power hitter and fakhar has been found out as an opener!
Imam is not good enough!!
Open with ahsan ali and shajeel/ junior
And look for a better wicketkeeper batsman!
Also saud shakeel needs to be drafted into the pak team!!

Imam is better than his competition

He plays as long as someone better becomes available

Sharjeel can take fakhars spot if he’s good enough

 

[Ram Shekhar]

I think both of them have similar roles in their respective teams and it's an apt comparison. Looking at stats, it is clear that Imad Wasim has outperformed Hardik Pandya so far. I didn't know Imad was such useful cricketer to be honest. He also looks to be a captaincy candidate. Very interesting comparison and I will keep an eye on how these two careers progress ahead.

 

[Manik Rao]

When needed? Why did he not do that against New Zealand then?

Because he didn't have to. RRR was around 6 when he got out.

As far as Pandya upping the ante when needed is concerned, I remember him scoring quick fire runs (in winning causes) numerous times, for both, India as well as Mumbai. Don't have enough time to dig stats atm, but I'm certain Imad has never made a substantial score against Non-minnows in a winning cause.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Because he didn't have to. RRR was around 6 when he got out.

As far as Pandya upping the ante when needed is concerned, I remember him scoring quick fire runs (in winning causes) numerous times, for both, India as well as Mumbai. Don't have enough time to dig stats atm, but I'm certain Imad has never made a substantial score against Non-minnows in a winning cause.

So, Pandya is nothing but a slogger in your eyes

 

[hur rizvi]

Because he didn't have to. RRR was around 6 when he got out.

As far as Pandya upping the ante when needed is concerned, I remember him scoring quick fire runs (in winning causes) numerous times, for both, India as well as Mumbai. Don't have enough time to dig stats atm, but I'm certain Imad has never made a substantial score against Non-minnows in a winning cause.

No one cares about Mumbai

 

[Titan24]

One head to head encounter was very one-sided. In the Champions Trophy group game they directly faced each other for 5 balls. Imad bowled 4 balls to Pandya from which he scored 19* runs, and Pandya got Imad out the first ball he bowled to him.

This thread may end up like the Fahim-Pandya thread.

Fahim vs Pandya wasnt a valid comparison as Fahim Ashraf was a bowling all rounder batting at different position and doing different job with the ball.

Just because both were pace bowlers doesn’t make it a valid comparison. Even first class record of Fahim suggested he was a bowling all rounder while Pandya was a batting all rounder.

In a team like Pakistan where there are pretty talented pacers playing solely as a pacer over them was never a long term solution for Faheem and he didnt create any impact with bat in LOIs which led to dropping him.

 

[Titan24]

Because he didn't have to. RRR was around 6 when he got out.

As far as Pandya upping the ante when needed is concerned, I remember him scoring quick fire runs (in winning causes) numerous times, for both, India as well as Mumbai. Don't have enough time to dig stats atm, but I'm certain Imad has never made a substantial score against Non-minnows in a winning cause.

You can check the scores of Imad Wasim. In the last 1 year, he has scored 43*(23), 47*(31) vs SA.

28*(13), 19*(10), 43(53), 50(34) vs Aus

In WC: 46*(39) vs India, 23(15) vs SA, 49*(54) vs Afg, 43*(26) vs BD.


Point is about international cricket not league cricket. The scores I have put are against non minnow sides except for WC against Afg.
You can show scores of any lower order hitter batting at no 7 being as consistent as Imad in last 1 year let alone Pandya.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Because he didn't have to. RRR was around 6 when he got out.

As far as Pandya upping the ante when needed is concerned, I remember him scoring quick fire runs (in winning causes) numerous times, for both, India as well as Mumbai. Don't have enough time to dig stats atm, but I'm certain Imad has never made a substantial score against Non-minnows in a winning cause.

He scores these quick 30-40 runs only when team is in a good position and there too he is not consistent. His bowling is average. Not sure why he is hyped so much by fans.

 

[Pakhs]

Both are bits and pieces cricketers. Pandiya is almost always India's weakest bowler and never their best batsman. Imad to his credit sometime ends up bowling most respectfully etc.

 

[ak619]

He scores these quick 30-40 runs only when team is in a good position and there too he is not consistent. His bowling is average. Not sure why he is hyped so much by fans.

Pandya's bowling in this WC was actually quite excellent for a 5th bowler.

I know you hate Pandya with a vengeance so it is very hard to give him credit but even you cannot deny the fact that he did his job as a bowler in this WC very well.

As a batsman, yes Pandya failed to live up to expectations. It's time he moves beyond those 30s and 40s he keeps scoring. Else he will never become a true all-rounder.

 

[Manik Rao]

You can check the scores of Imad Wasim. In the last 1 year, he has scored 43*(23), 47*(31) vs SA.

28*(13), 19*(10), 43(53), 50(34) vs Aus

In WC: 46*(39) vs India, 23(15) vs SA, 49*(54) vs Afg, 43*(26) vs BD.


Point is about international cricket not league cricket. The scores I have put are against non minnow sides except for WC against Afg.
You can show scores of any lower order hitter batting at no 7 being as consistent as Imad in last 1 year let alone Pandya.

Plz refer to my first post in this thread where I said that Imad is an Amla clone, programmed to score soft runs, mainly against substandard bowling attacks or when the match is already lost and the opposing side is just going through the motions to complete the innings, e.g 46 against India in the WC.

You said you've included scores against non-minnows (except WC), but at the same time you've included his scores from the series against SA, a team that just finished 7th in the WC... And an Aussie side that was resting Starc and Cummins... He basically minnow bashed a second string Aussie bowling attack, which doesn't take itself seriously.

Now coming to Pandya... In last 1 year Pandya has got to bat 13 times in ODIs (WC included). Here are his prominent knocks:

45 (22) against Nz. 48 (27) against Australia. 26 (19) against Pakistan. 46 (38) against Windies. 45 (33) against England... 15* (7) against SA & 7* (4) against Srilanka to go with that.

The only thing different here is that most of the runs scored by Pandya were meaningful runs that helped his team get over the line on most occasions.

*I've only included minnows for WC, like you did.

 

[Rayyman]

Imad in LOIs, Pandya in Tests.

Btw, Highest ODI strike rate in last 2 years (500 runs minimum):

1. Jos Buttler- 124.7
2. Glenn Maxwell- 121.8
3. Imad Wasim- 116.5
4. Thisara Perera- 114.2
5. Jason Roy- 113.1
6. Jonny Bairstow- 111.3
7. Hardik Pandya- 109.8
8. Shimron Hetmyear- 108.2
^
Pandya might have more sixes, but Imad's higher average and strike rate show he is a better ODI batsman atm.

But I do know that Pandya is promoted up to #4/5 regularly which may affect the stats.

But these stats show that Imad is batting too low:
Highest ODI strike rate in innings not out (minimum 200 runs, last 2 years):
1. Imad Wasim- 139.7
2. Jos Buttler- 132.0
3. Najibullah Zadran- 129.2
4. Andile Phehlukwayo- 118.6
5. Mahmudullah- 116.2
^
Players who should all come higher up the order.

 

[Pete Rose]

I have to say, my first instinct was to ridicule, but this is not as ridic a comparison as I initially thought.

 

[Titan24]

Plz refer to my first post in this thread where I said that Imad is an Amla clone, programmed to score soft runs, mainly against substandard bowling attacks or when the match is already lost and the opposing side is just going through the motions to complete the innings, e.g 46 against India in the WC.

You said you've included scores against non-minnows (except WC), but at the same time you've included his scores from the series against SA, a team that just finished 7th in the WC... And an Aussie side that was resting Starc and Cummins... He basically minnow bashed a second string Aussie bowling attack, which doesn't take itself seriously.

Now coming to Pandya... In last 1 year Pandya has got to bat 13 times in ODIs (WC included). Here are his prominent knocks:

45 (22) against Nz. 48 (27) against Australia. 26 (19) against Pakistan. 46 (38) against Windies. 45 (33) against England... 15* (7) against SA & 7* (4) against Srilanka to go with that.

The only thing different here is that most of the runs scored by Pandya were meaningful runs that helped his team get over the line on most occasions.

*I've only included minnows for WC, like you did.

Ok so SA is a minnow?

Pandya had a decent WC and still he averages 29 with the bat and his SR is also not amazingly superior which manifests that he isnt very consistent.

Also as a bowler while Imad and Pandya have mediocre averages, economy of Imad is much superior and is really good considering the modern era.

Cricket is a team game, performances of one player shouldnt be undermined just because his team couldnt win.

Against NZ Pandya couldnt resist his normal temptations when he was required to just bat the overs in a sensible manner.

 

[Titan24]

Imad in LOIs, Pandya in Tests.

Btw, Highest ODI strike rate in last 2 years (500 runs minimum):

1. Jos Buttler- 124.7
2. Glenn Maxwell- 121.8
3. Imad Wasim- 116.5
4. Thisara Perera- 114.2
5. Jason Roy- 113.1
6. Jonny Bairstow- 111.3
7. Hardik Pandya- 109.8
8. Shimron Hetmyear- 108.2
^
Pandya might have more sixes, but Imad's higher average and strike rate show he is a better ODI batsman atm.

But I do know that Pandya is promoted up to #4/5 regularly which may affect the stats.

But these stats show that Imad is batting too low:
Highest ODI strike rate in innings not out (minimum 200 runs, last 2 years):
1. Imad Wasim- 139.7
2. Jos Buttler- 132.0
3. Najibullah Zadran- 129.2
4. Andile Phehlukwayo- 118.6
5. Mahmudullah- 116.2
^
Players who should all come higher up the order.

Good research and well put.

 

[ak619]

Ok so SA is a minnow?

Pandya had a decent WC and still he averages 29 with the bat and his SR is also not amazingly superior which manifests that he isnt very consistent.

Also as a bowler while Imad and Pandya have mediocre averages, economy of Imad is much superior and is really good considering the modern era.

Cricket is a team game, performances of one player shouldnt be undermined just because his team couldnt win.

Against NZ Pandya couldnt resist his normal temptations when he was required to just bat the overs in a sensible manner.

I'm sure you will agree that Imad is in the team as a bowling AR and not a batting AR.

He picked up only 2 wickets in the entire WC.

Now I will admit that I haven't seen much of Imad so I wouldn't like to make a judgement on Imad vs Hardik.

But surely a bowling AR who gets only 2 wickets in the entire WC is not doing his job whatsoever.

 

[Titan24]

I'm sure you will agree that Imad is in the team as a bowling AR and not a batting AR.

He picked up only 2 wickets in the entire WC.

Now I will admit that I haven't seen much of Imad so I wouldn't like to make a judgement on Imad vs Hardik.

But surely a bowling AR who gets only 2 wickets in the entire WC is not doing his job whatsoever.

Imad is in the team as a batting all rounder just like Pandya. He shares his overs with Hafeez and others more often than not and even his FC stats always manifested that he is a batting all rounder.

Not sure what made you think he is a bowling all rounder.

 

[Manik Rao]

Ok so SA is a minnow?

Pandya had a decent WC and still he averages 29 with the bat and his SR is also not amazingly superior which manifests that he isnt very consistent.

Also as a bowler while Imad and Pandya have mediocre averages, economy of Imad is much superior and is really good considering the modern era.

Cricket is a team game, performances of one player shouldnt be undermined just because his team couldnt win.

Against NZ Pandya couldnt resist his normal temptations when he was required to just bat the overs in a sensible manner.

Yes. A team that uses harmless bowlers like Morris, Phehlukwayo & Pretorius to bowl almost half of the given 50 overs, is nothing but a certified minnow.

Pandya is no world beater. In fact, he's a massive underachiever but still a lot more capable than Imad, particularly against top sides, playing their full strength.

Agreed. Pandya is a **** bowler. Shouldn't get to bowl more than 5. Imad's also a Dart Machine but at least he can keep it tight. Pandya leaks runs for fun.

I'm not undermining Imad's performances. I'm just voicing my opinion against the idea of exaggerating his numbers, which have been inflated by minnow bashing & not outs.

Agreed. Pandya was poor against Nz, but that doesn't prove Imad is more useful than him. What about Imad's irresponsible shot against Windies when Pakistan were already 5 down and needed someone to stay out there and grind it out? It goes both ways, doesn't it?

 

[ak619]

Imad is in the team as a batting all rounder just like Pandya. He shares his overs with Hafeez and others more often than not and even his FC stats always manifested that he is a batting all rounder.

Not sure what made you think he is a bowling all rounder.

Every single database, including ICC's official ones classify him as a bowling AR

Except for 2 games, Imad bowled his full 10 overs in every match. Once again pointing to the fact that he is in the team as the 5th bowler.

Hardik Pandya, Imad Wasim and Jason Holder are all in their respective teams as a bowling AR - specifically as the 5th bowler.

That's why India went in with just 5 bowlers in their last 3-4 matches.

A batting AR doesn't bat down at number 7. Ben Stokes is a batting AR. Look which position he bats at. Glen Maxwell is a batting AR. Look which position he bats at.

Imad Wasim is certainly a bowling AR given that fact that he bats in the lower order at no 7 but is expected to bowl his full quota of overs in 8 out of 10 games.

 

[Titan24]

Yes. A team that uses harmless bowlers like Morris, Phehlukwayo & Pretorius to bowl almost half of the given 50 overs, is nothing but a certified minnow.

Pandya is no world beater. In fact, he's a massive underachiever but still a lot more capable than Imad, particularly against top sides, playing their full strength.

Agreed. Pandya is a **** bowler. Shouldn't get to bowl more than 5. Imad's also a Dart Machine but at least he can keep it tight. Pandya leaks runs for fun.

I'm not undermining Imad's performances. I'm just voicing my opinion against the idea of exaggerating his numbers, which have been inflated by minnow bashing & not outs.

Agreed. Pandya was poor against Nz, but that doesn't prove Imad is more useful than him. What about Imad's irresponsible shot against Windies when Pakistan were already 5 down and needed someone to stay out there and grind it out? It goes both ways, doesn't it?

I agree with most of the points you are making.

Obviously its not like Imad is miles better or Pandya is miles better at the moment and that is why I created the comparison thread because both have a lot to prove.

 

[Rayyman]

Every single database, including ICC's official ones classify him as a bowling AR

Except for 2 games, Imad bowled his full 10 overs in every match. Once again pointing to the fact that he is in the team as the 5th bowler.

Hardik Pandya, Imad Wasim and Jason Holder are all in their respective teams as a bowling AR - specifically as the 5th bowler.

That's why India went in with just 5 bowlers in their last 3-4 matches.

A batting AR doesn't bat down at number 7. Ben Stokes is a batting AR. Look which position he bats at. Glen Maxwell is a batting AR. Look which position he bats at.

Imad Wasim is certainly a bowling AR given that fact that he bats in the lower order at no 7 but is expected to bowl his full quota of overs in 8 out of 10 games.

Imad and Sarfraz have been sacrificial lambs for the likes of Hafeez and Malik.

Both can play as batsmen in the middle order.

Imad will best be used by Pakistan as a finisher and 6th bowler.

 

[Titan24]

Every single database, including ICC's official ones classify him as a bowling AR

Except for 2 games, Imad bowled his full 10 overs in every match. Once again pointing to the fact that he is in the team as the 5th bowler.

Hardik Pandya, Imad Wasim and Jason Holder are all in their respective teams as a bowling AR - specifically as the 5th bowler.

That's why India went in with just 5 bowlers in their last 3-4 matches.

A batting AR doesn't bat down at number 7. Ben Stokes is a batting AR. Look which position he bats at. Glen Maxwell is a batting AR. Look which position he bats at.

Imad Wasim is certainly a bowling AR given that fact that he bats in the lower order at no 7 but is expected to bowl his full quota of overs in 8 out of 10 games.

The ones which I have seen just say all rounder.

Anyways in my opinion an alrounder who bats in the top 7 plays in the team as a batting all rounder more often than not except maybe Stokes, Shakib and Holder who are proper all rounders and almost as good with bowl as bat.

Imad averages around 40 in FC with bat and averages around 31 with the ball which clearly shows he is a better batsman then he is a bowler and can be concluded from his FC stats as well.

However its a debate for another thread I guess that who should be stated as a bowling all rounder and who as a batting all rounder.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pandya's bowling in this WC was actually quite excellent for a 5th bowler.

I know you hate Pandya with a vengeance so it is very hard to give him credit but even you cannot deny the fact that he did his job as a bowler in this WC very well.

As a batsman, yes Pandya failed to live up to expectations. It's time he moves beyond those 30s and 40s he keeps scoring. Else he will never become a true all-rounder.

Criticising him doesn't mean hating him. Whenever he is criticised some fans here take it to heart and start cussing the poster. He is in the team for his batting and this is where he is inconsistent and yet to play a match winning inning like Shakib does.

He is a part time bowler. Ganguly used to bowl better than him. Its a pity Ganguly didn't take his bowling seriously otherwise the standard some fans have these days they would have called him the second best allrounder after Kapil.

 

[ak619]

The ones which I have seen just say all rounder.

Anyways in my opinion an alrounder who bats in the top 7 plays in the team as a batting all rounder more often than not except maybe Stokes, Shakib and Holder who are proper all rounders and almost as good with bowl as bat.

Imad averages around 40 in FC with bat and averages around 31 with the ball which clearly shows he is a better batsman then he is a bowler and can be concluded from his FC stats as well.

However its a debate for another thread I guess that who should be stated as a bowling all rounder and who as a batting all rounder.

ESPNcricinfo, cricbuzz and even ICC WC2019 website lists Imad as a bowling AR.

Like I said, if he was a batting AR, he wouldn't be put in a position where he wouldn't even have to come out to bat if the team is doing well.

Unlike Hardik, I never saw Imad being promoted up the other in this WC.

But he did bowl 59 out of his possible 70 overs. Which goes to show that his primary responsibility in this team was of bowling.

Especially when you consider the fact that there were a couple of matches where Imad played as the frontline spinner. Would a batting AR be playing as the only spinner in the side? I don't think so.

Anyway, all this is not even the point. Even if we consider Imad to be a pure 50/50 AR, his tally of only 2 wickets in the whole WC makes for very poor reading.

With the bat he only played one match-winning knock (against Afghanistan) and with the ball he was pretty much non-existent.

At least on the basis of this WC, Imad Wasim is below Hardik Pandya in terms of contribution and impact for their respective teams.

 

[big_gamer007]

Another 27 pages incoming of comparison between two mediocre players.

 

[ak619]

Criticising him doesn't mean hating him. Whenever he is criticised some fans here take it to heart and start cussing the poster. He is in the team for his batting and this is where he is inconsistent and yet to play a match winning inning like Shakib does.

He is a part time bowler. Ganguly used to bowl better than him. Its a pity Ganguly didn't take his bowling seriously otherwise the standard some fans have these days they would have called him the second best allrounder after Kapil.

Ganguly was a very good bowler. As was Sachin. Their genius in batsmanship overshadowed their bowling abilities but there's no doubt that Ganguly and Sachin were very good ARs who were underused as bowlers.

But coming to Pandya, you will see that I have agreed with you when it comes to his batting. He has failed to deliver, no question about it. Criticising his batting is 100% valid and I stand with you on that.

But you are criticising his bowling in this WC which comes across as biased because he actually did a very good job with the ball in every match. This is not criticism. This is just dislike. Sorry if it offends you.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Imad in LOIs, Pandya in Tests.

Btw, Highest ODI strike rate in last 2 years (500 runs minimum):

1. Jos Buttler- 124.7
2. Glenn Maxwell- 121.8
3. Imad Wasim- 116.5
4. Thisara Perera- 114.2
5. Jason Roy- 113.1
6. Jonny Bairstow- 111.3
7. Hardik Pandya- 109.8
8. Shimron Hetmyear- 108.2
^
Pandya might have more sixes, but Imad's higher average and strike rate show he is a better ODI batsman atm.

But I do know that Pandya is promoted up to #4/5 regularly which may affect the stats.

But these stats show that Imad is batting too low:
Highest ODI strike rate in innings not out (minimum 200 runs, last 2 years):
1. Imad Wasim- 139.7
2. Jos Buttler- 132.0
3. Najibullah Zadran- 129.2
4. Andile Phehlukwayo- 118.6
5. Mahmudullah- 116.2
^
Players who should all come higher up the order.

I thought this comparsion was made for fun but it seems it has some weight to it. Imad bats too low and team management doesn't show a lot of confidence in him. Pandya on the other hand has everything going in his way but still doesn't perform as much as he is hyped. And whenever you criticise him you become a hater and fans remind you of his CT final inning.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Another 27 pages incoming of comparison between two mediocre players.

Well said

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ganguly was a very good bowler. As was Sachin. Their genius in batsmanship overshadowed their bowling abilities but there's no doubt that Ganguly and Sachin were very good ARs who were underused as bowlers.

But coming to Pandya, you will see that I have agreed with you when it comes to his batting. He has failed to deliver, no question about it. Criticising his batting is 100% valid and I stand with you on that.

But you are criticising his bowling in this WC which comes across as biased because he actually did a very good job with the ball in every match. This is not criticism. This is just dislike. Sorry if it offends you.

It all comes down to what standard do you have to rate a player. According to you he bowled well. But according to me Shakib bowled better than him as an allrounder. Sorry if it offends you but I can't accept mediocrity. I would rather have a specialist player instead of him in the team.

 

[moghul]

Against non-minnows, Imad is just another Amla clone, programmed to score soft runs and inflate his average with Not Outs.

Most of the times he posts decent scores is when the match is already lost and the opposition is just going through the motions to complete overs.

Yeah, like his innings against Afghanistan

 

[ak619]

It all comes down to what standard do you have to rate a player. According to you he bowled well. But according to me Shakib bowled better than him as an allrounder. Sorry if it offends you but I can't accept mediocrity. I would rather have a specialist player instead of him in the team.

That's just silly.

Of course Shakib bowled better than Hardik. He is the best AR in the world.

Doesn't mean that everyone who is below Shakib is automatically mediocre.

Pandya's batting so far has been mediocre, yes. For the first 24-30 months of his career, so was his bowling. But in the last few months, especially in this WC his bowling was actually very good.

No point in criticising his bowling when he is actually showing progress and playing his role as the 5th bowler well (even if he's not excellent right now).

Like I said before, doing that only shows that you're criticising out of dislike for the person and not his performance. That's not on, in my opinion.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That's just silly.

Of course Shakib bowled better than Hardik. He is the best AR in the world.

Doesn't mean that everyone who is below Shakib is automatically mediocre.

Pandya's batting so far has been mediocre, yes. For the first 24-30 months of his career, so was his bowling. But in the last few months, especially in this WC his bowling was actually very good.

No point in criticising his bowling when he is actually showing progress and playing his role as the 5th bowler well (even if he's not excellent right now).

Like I said before, doing that only shows that you're criticising out of dislike for the person and not his performance. That's not on, in my opinion.

Can't go on and on if you are not willing to listen and just want to argue for the sake of it.

Pandya was overhyped by fans and those same fans used to mock Shakib Al Hasan. Shakib proved them wrong. If Pandya is below Shakib as an allrounder then what problem do you have if I find Pandya to be mediocre?

Do you love Pandya? Is he above criticism?

 

[Kianig89]

Both are downright mediocre its like Nigel Quashie v Gary ONeil,l Titus Bramble v Carlos Bocanegra, Jeremie Allideiere v Antoine Sibierski

 

[Finisher]

Hardik Pandya has 1 fifty outside India, the one he scored in the ct17 final. Imad Wasim has 3 outside UAE

 

[Titan24]

Another 27 pages incoming of comparison between two mediocre players.

Atleast its an upgrade over poor vs mediocre and atg vs mediocre threads.

 

[Titan24]

ESPNcricinfo, cricbuzz and even ICC WC2019 website lists Imad as a bowling AR.

Like I said, if he was a batting AR, he wouldn't be put in a position where he wouldn't even have to come out to bat if the team is doing well.

Unlike Hardik, I never saw Imad being promoted up the other in this WC.

But he did bowl 59 out of his possible 70 overs. Which goes to show that his primary responsibility in this team was of bowling.

Especially when you consider the fact that there were a couple of matches where Imad played as the frontline spinner. Would a batting AR be playing as the only spinner in the side? I don't think so.

Anyway, all this is not even the point. Even if we consider Imad to be a pure 50/50 AR, his tally of only 2 wickets in the whole WC makes for very poor reading.

With the bat he only played one match-winning knock (against Afghanistan) and with the ball he was pretty much non-existent.

At least on the basis of this WC, Imad Wasim is below Hardik Pandya in terms of contribution and impact for their respective teams.

Imad's 43 of 26 against BD was also a pretty solid contribution in my opinion.

 

[Napa]

Fahim vs Pandya wasnt a valid comparison as Fahim Ashraf was a bowling all rounder batting at different position and doing different job with the ball.

Yet that thread ended up with over 2,100 posts.

 

[Mean&Green]

They both are definitely all rounders on and off the field

 

[Mean&Green]

Yet that thread ended up with over 2,100 posts.

Just like that mediocre babar vs rahul thread oh lord that thread pisses me offf

 

[ads101]

I feel like in general spin bowling allrounders offer more to the team. They are better filling in overs around the main bowlers and less expensive. Hard to be a pace bowling allrounder, you're usually worse than the other 3 pacers, and if you truly concentrate hard with the ball, you tire yourself out more to properly concentrate with the bat. Also what happens with pace bowling allrounders, is sometimes they're taking the overs of the main pacers who are not getting full quota as a result which is not great.

Pandya works great when they want 2 specialist spinners, but most pitches won't accommodate that.

I think Pandya is a better bat but his average/batting is suffering as he's concentrating on the ball so much.

 

[gazza619]

Wasim did a lot better than I expected with the bat in this WC. Dont really rate his darters.

Pandya is not level headed and hence I dont expect bigger things from him in future.

 

[DRsohail]

It all comes down to what standard do you have to rate a player. According to you he bowled well. But according to me Shakib bowled better than him as an allrounder. Sorry if it offends you but I can't accept mediocrity. I would rather have a specialist player instead of him in the team.

I have already told Indian posters here that Pandya is not the solution to their problems? Does India have a player who can bowl 6,7 over like Yuvi? If it is with batting potential of proper bat then India have to groom him, otherwise Pandya will disappoint you again,He can be a gun crickter for a low ranked team like Pakistan.India have to set the bars high.

 

[DRsohail]

Yet that thread ended up with over 2,100 posts.

This will go on ,,,,, Pandya is better than Imad no doubt, but Imad is better than Fahim atleast,

 

[sweep_shot]

Hardik is better in bowling. Both are equal when it comes to batting.

 

[ak619]

Can't go on and on if you are not willing to listen and just want to argue for the sake of it.

Pandya was overhyped by fans and those same fans used to mock Shakib Al Hasan. Shakib proved them wrong. If Pandya is below Shakib as an allrounder then what problem do you have if I find Pandya to be mediocre?

Do you love Pandya? Is he above criticism?

Seems quite clear that your criticism of Pandya then is really about showing the middle finger to his supporters rather than actually judging the player himself.

Common sense would dictate that if one is seeing improvements in somebody then it should be acknowledged. A mediocre player will not turn into Shakib overnight. But doesn't mean that we can't recognise the fact that he is improving.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Seems quite clear that your criticism of Pandya then is really about showing the middle finger to his supporters rather than actually judging the player himself.

Common sense would dictate that if one is seeing improvements in somebody then it should be acknowledged. A mediocre player will not turn into Shakib overnight. But doesn't mean that we can't recognise the fact that he is improving.

What improvements?

He is playing strictly on potential right now. So is KL Rahul. For a cricketing powerhouse, that's not good enough.

 

[ak619]

What improvements?

He is playing strictly on potential right now. So is KL Rahul. For a cricketing powerhouse, that's not good enough.

Hardik's bowling has definitely improved over the last 12-15 months.

Overall, one might say that his improvement hasn't been enough because he really hasn't moved forward with his batting - still scoring only 30s and 40s.

But if you ask me, I feel far more confident today about his bowling than I did a year ago.

 

[Shaan]

I don’t know why Imad Wasim is so underrated by Pakistan team selection. The guy is a much better batsman then people estimate him. I find him technically better then pandya, to me pandya is just a slogger who is too much hyped by Indians. Pandya has the freedom to free his arms and play with freedom because of Indian strong batting line up, whereas Imad had to take all pressure on his shoulder thinking of Pakistan miserable batting lineup. To me Imad much better player then overhyped pandya.

 

[umerz]

Only if Imad can establish himself as a batsman at no 5/6 who can also play long innings he will be a great asset. As i understand he is only expected to play last 5-8 overs where he is doing good with the bat

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Seems quite clear that your criticism of Pandya then is really about showing the middle finger to his supporters rather than actually judging the player himself.

Common sense would dictate that if one is seeing improvements in somebody then it should be acknowledged. A mediocre player will not turn into Shakib overnight. But doesn't mean that we can't recognise the fact that he is improving.

Pandya's batting avg in ODI's : 29.91
Pandya's bowling avg in ODI's : 40

His age is 25
He has played 54 ODIs

Its quite clear he is an average cricketer and his fans are in no mood to accept that.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Only if Imad can establish himself as a batsman at no 5/6 who can also play long innings he will be a great asset. As i understand he is only expected to play last 5-8 overs where he is doing good with the bat

Imad fitness comes into question.

 

[ak619]

Pandya's batting avg in ODI's : 29.91
Pandya's bowling avg in ODI's : 40

His age is 25
He has played 54 ODIs

Its quite clear he is an average cricketer and his fans are in no mood to accept that.

I've been very clear in my statements that Hardik has been rather average for most of his career.

With the bat he is still average.

So on those things we are in total agreement.

What I'm saying, like I said earlier in this thread, is that he's improved as a bowler in the last 12 months and has done a good job with the ball in this World Cup . Even statistically, he has been the most successful "5th bowler" in this WC.

If your general dislike for the player prevents you from admitting that, then I can't help it.

 

[Titan24]

I feel like in general spin bowling allrounders offer more to the team. They are better filling in overs around the main bowlers and less expensive. Hard to be a pace bowling allrounder, you're usually worse than the other 3 pacers, and if you truly concentrate hard with the ball, you tire yourself out more to properly concentrate with the bat. Also what happens with pace bowling allrounders, is sometimes they're taking the overs of the main pacers who are not getting full quota as a result which is not great.

Pandya works great when they want 2 specialist spinners, but most pitches won't accommodate that.

I think Pandya is a better bat but his average/batting is suffering as he's concentrating on the ball so much.

Well put.

I also think that is one of the reasons Stokes doesnt get to bowl many overs as he bats in the middle overs and it can sometimes be too much to handle for the body.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I've been very clear in my statements that Hardik has been rather average for most of his career.

With the bat he is still average.

So on those things we are in total agreement.

What I'm saying, like I said earlier in this thread, is that he's improved as a bowler in the last 12 months and has done a good job with the ball in this World Cup . Even statistically, he has been the most successful "5th bowler" in this WC.

If your general dislike for the player prevents you from admitting that, then I can't help it.

Post his bowling stats please. 54 matches - avg of 40 in bowling is an improvement in your opinion?

 

[ak619]

Post his bowling stats please. 54 matches - avg of 40 in bowling is an improvement in your opinion?

Seems like you're intentionally being thick now when I have been repeatedly saying that he's improved in the last few months while you constantly keep bringing up his overall career stats.

So I'll leave it at that.

And like I said, Hardik has been the most successful 5th bowler from any side in this WC. So, like him or hate him, you have to live with that fact of life.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Seems like you're intentionally being thick now when I have been repeatedly saying that he's improved in the last few months while you constantly keep bringing up his overall career stats.

So I'll leave it at that.

And like I said, Hardik has been the most successful 5th bowler from any side in this WC. So, like him or hate him, you have to live with that fact of life.

Lol what? I asked you to post his stats. In other words I asked you to prove me wrong using stats. I would like to know what improvements has he made in the last few months?

I don't have to live with the made up facts by Pandya lovers here. I posted his stats above. Now its your turn.

 

[ak619]

Lol what? I asked you to post his stats. In other words I asked you to prove me wrong using stats. I would like to know what improvements has he made in the last few months?

I don't have to live with the made up facts by Pandya lovers here. I posted his stats above. Now its your turn.

Wickets taken by 4th/5th bowlers in WC 2019

James Neesham - 12
Andile Phehlukwayo - 11
Shakib Al Hasan - 11
Hardik Pandya - 10
Jason Holder - 8
Marcus Stoinis - 7
Ben Stokes - 7
Imad Wasim - 2

Now either Shakib and Holder have been extremely mediocre bowlers in this WC or Hardik Pandya has actually improved his bowling in this WC, like I have been repeatedly saying throughout this thread. You decide. But you can't have both.