Hardline Hindus protest huge Indian Jesus statue

[Mian]

Hundreds of Hindu activists affiliated to India's ruling party rallied on Monday to protest a planned Jesus statue that will rival Rio de Janeiro's Christ The Redeemer for size.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has long been accused of intolerance towards other religions and of wanting to remould officially secular India as a Hindu nation, which it denies.

The protests in the southern state of Karnataka were led by Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the BJP's hardline parent organisation, and others clutching saffron flags as around 1,000 police stood by.

"We want to stop (the statue), since it goes against the spirit of communal harmony and encourages religious conversions which is rampantly carried out by Christian missionaries," Prabhakar Bhat, a top RSS functionary told Indian media.

Construction of the white granite statue 114 feet (34.7 metres) high -- slightly shorter than the Rio monolith although the base will be bigger -- stopped soon after it started last month after objections.

Many Hindus believe the hill where the statue is set to stand in the Christian-dominated village of Harobele is the abode of a Hindu deity, although no temple exists there.

The BJP-run state government accused the previous administration of the main opposition Congress party of illegally allotting the plot of land.

Less than one percent of Karnataka's 65 million people are Christian, compared to around two percent in Hindu-majority India as a whole.

The state witnessed a wave of attacks on Christians and churches by Hindu radicals in 2008 over allegations of seeking to convert Hindus, including with cash.

Last year six members of a Hindu group were arrested for attacking a group of Christian pilgrims in the state.

The state government has been routinely accused of discrimination. It banned a festival to commemorate a Muslim king who fought the British East India Company.

India has witnessed a surge in crimes against its religious minorities and shrinking of religious freedoms since Modi swept to power in 2014.

Last year the US Commission for International Religious Freedom said that religious freedom was on a "downward trend", with a "campaign of violence, intimidation, and harassment against non-Hindu and lower-caste Hindu minorities".

The government rejected the report.

Over the past month India has been rocked by protests against a new law making it easier for persecuted religious minorities to obtain citizenship, but not if they are Muslim.

Combined with a mooted national register of citizens, it has stoked fears that India's 200 million Muslims will be marginalised.

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[Ronaldo7]

These BJP supporters are developing hate for other religions (especially Islam) and it's just not normal.

It's pretty obvious too. I came across a video which was showing the aftermath of a terror attack which happened in Pakistan in 2016 and all I saw was Indians commenting "well done" and anti islam comments on the video in 2018/19.

 

[DeadBall]

I thought Christians were BFFs atm.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good luck to the Christians of India for the future.

 

[troodon]

Hopefully the statue gets erected. It is supposed to be as big as the Jesus statue in Brazil.

Could be a good revenue generator.

With West losing interest in Christianity, South Asia and East Asia are needed for Christianity to maintain followers and numbers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The issue with this statue are two.

1.The land belonged to the govt. DK Shivakumar the congress minister allegedly acquired this land from the govt for peanuts when he was in power and gifted it to christians to construct the statue. So its a legal issue.

2. The concerned hill here, on both sides of it are two hills having Muneshwara and Ishvara temples. This hill lies in between and is said to be associated with the worship of Lord Muneshwara. Thats the objection of the hindu community.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hopefully the statue gets erected. It is supposed to be as big as the Jesus statue in Brazil.

Could be a good revenue generator.

With West losing interest in Christianity, South Asia and East Asia are needed for Christianity to maintain followers and numbers.

Which is exactly the issue why suddenly there are clashes,,? Conversion using money etc.

 

[troodon]

Which is exactly the issue why suddenly there are clashes,,? Conversion using money etc.

It is supply and demand.

India has tons of excess population sturggling in poverty and in some section of people caste based bias.

Christianity offers them a way out and also financially helps these dirt poor Dalits.

Poor Dalits get money and Christianity gets followers. A Win-Win for both.

Funny part is, these Dalits will still be considered Dalits no matter which religion they follow. But at least they get some money.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not sure what was wrong with my post!

Christians in India are suffering for a long time. Check Orissa , last year a man was beheaded by Hindu extremists for converting to Christianity. Orissa Christians have been butchered for many years now.

 

[troodon]

Not sure what was wrong with my post!

Christians in India are suffering for a long time. Check Orissa , last year a man was beheaded by Hindu extremists for converting to Christianity. Orissa Christians have been butchered for many years now.

Orissa, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh are home for most Dalits and Tribals (the most oppressed people in India). Missionaries are very active in these areas. With the rise of Hindu rightwing in 80's, the friction grew between Hindu rightwing and missionaries. Many got hacked to death in the process.

Upper Caste Hindu are super scared about the majority Dalits and Tribals becoming Christians and in some cases Muslims. They have examples of North East Indian states which has become majority Christian in a mere 50 years. Rightwing Hindus are scared of that happening.

But this cannot be stopped no matter how much RSS/VHP tries. Dalits were never considered Hindus and it is their right to choose what they want to believe in. Recently they have been converting to Buddhism a lot.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Orissa, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh are home for most Dalits and Tribals (the most oppressed people in India). Missionaries are very active in these areas. With the rise of Hindu rightwing in 80's, the friction grew between Hindu rightwing and missionaries. Many got hacked to death in the process.

Upper Caste Hindu are super scared about the majority Dalits and Tribals becoming Christians and in some cases Muslims. They have examples of North East Indian states which has become majority Christian in a mere 50 years. Rightwing Hindus are scared of that happening.

But this cannot be stopped no matter how much RSS/VHP tries. Dalits were never considered Hindus and it is their right to choose what they want to believe in. Recently they have been converting to Buddhism a lot.

Christians will continue to be murdered because Upper Caste Hindus are scared. Great thanks for the information.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Orissa, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh are home for most Dalits and Tribals (the most oppressed people in India). Missionaries are very active in these areas. With the rise of Hindu rightwing in 80's, the friction grew between Hindu rightwing and missionaries. Many got hacked to death in the process.

Upper Caste Hindu are super scared about the majority Dalits and Tribals becoming Christians and in some cases Muslims. They have examples of North East Indian states which has become majority Christian in a mere 50 years. Rightwing Hindus are scared of that happening.

But this cannot be stopped no matter how much RSS/VHP tries. Dalits were never considered Hindus and it is their right to choose what they want to believe in. Recently they have been converting to Buddhism a lot.

What rubbish!

Odisha is BJD territory. Not BJP.

Problem there is that missionaries are breaking families. They are trying to catch and convert one or two members of a family and then asking them to convert other members. There by causing friction among the families. Thats why they are facing massive backlash in Odisha. Similar scenario in Jharkhand etc.

Comedy is that. Some tribals or hindus convert to christianity, collect money and then worship their old gods at home.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is supply and demand.

India has tons of excess population sturggling in poverty and in some section of people caste based bias.

Christianity offers them a way out and also financially helps these dirt poor Dalits.

Poor Dalits get money and Christianity gets followers. A Win-Win for both.

Funny part is, these Dalits will still be considered Dalits no matter which religion they follow. But at least they get some money.

Only tha law in India doesnt allow conversion by money or coercion.

 

[troodon]

What rubbish!

Odisha is BJD territory. Not BJP.

Problem there is that missionaries are breaking families. They are trying to catch and convert one or two members of a family and then asking them to convert other members. There by causing friction among the families. Thats why they are facing massive backlash in Odisha. Similar scenario in Jharkhand etc.

Comedy is that. Some tribals or hindus convert to christianity, collect money and then worship their old gods at home.

It is BJD terriroty. But BJP and its parental organizations are well active there. RSS and VHP are very active there stopping people from converting to Christianity.

Usually families don't convert. One person converts and the rest will slowly follow. In some cases there will be violence and I agree with that.

For 1 or 2 generations, Both Jesus and tribal Gods will be worshiped. But after that, the tribal Gods will be forgotten slowly.

 

[troodon]

Only tha law in India doesnt allow conversion by money or coercion.

How do you prove Money is involved? It is impossible.

The point is, the drawbacks in Hinduism will be well exploited by Abrahamic faiths. You cannot stop it.

 

[Bewal Express]

As Dalits are considered some sort of sub human species by High caste Hindus, I am surprised more haven't left Hinduism

 

[troodon]

As Dalits are considered some sort of sub human species by High caste Hindus, I am surprised more haven't left Hinduism

They are not subhuman. They were not simply considered Hindus as they do not fall under caste system. Hence it was considered impure to touch Dalits.

Most Christians that converted to Christianity After British arrived are Dalit. In the past few years though, they have been converting to Buddhism. Missionaries and Dawah people are competing hard for converts.

It’s a 3 way battle between Buddhism, Islam and Christianity.

Even in Pakistan, many Dalits still remain Hindus right? I guess it’s not easy to forget hundreds of years of culture.

 

[Bewal Express]

They are not subhuman. They were not simply considered Hindus as they do not fall under caste system. Hence it was considered impure to touch Dalits.

Most Christians that converted to Christianity After British arrived are Dalit. In the past few years though, they have been converting to Buddhism. Missionaries and Dawah people are competing hard for converts.

It’s a 3 way battle between Buddhism, Islam and Christianity.

Even in Pakistan, many Dalits still remain Hindus right? I guess it’s not easy to forget hundreds of years of culture.

I never said they were sub human. Read again

 

[pillionrider]

The issue with this statue are two.

1.The land belonged to the govt. DK Shivakumar the congress minister allegedly acquired this land from the govt for peanuts when he was in power and gifted it to christians to construct the statue. So its a legal issue.

He has done the same golmal deals and built temples, handed over land to Hindu trusts. That doesn't bother you I suppose.

2. The concerned hill here, on both sides of it are two hills having Muneshwara and Ishvara temples. This hill lies in between and is said to be associated with the worship of Lord Muneshwara. Thats the objection of the hindu community.

Now read this

But records indicate that Christianity in Harobele village dates back to 1662.

Hindus and Christians in the region seem to live in harmony and claim there has never been any communal disturbance in the area. “We are amused at what the leaders are saying and the television is reporting, that Kapalabetta was a Hindu site called Muneeshwara Betta. That is a different hillock. We don’t want the communal harmony of our villages disturbed. Why should we object to Christians putting up a statue of Jesus Christ there? Do they object to us building our temples?” asked Kempe Gowda, 79, a resident of Krishnayyana Doddi.

“Records show there were around 1,000 Christians in the village as far back as the 18th Century. Is it a surprise that we are around 3,500 now?” asked Mr. Chinnaraj. “Hindu right-wing leaders are saying we are all converts. Yes, that may be the case with our ancestors 350 years ago. I was born into this religion and is it a crime?”

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Due to its inherent open nature, Hinduism has so many gods and anything can be considered worthy of worship. Tomorrow I could be sitting on a rock somewhere and some BJP posters here who know my views could get me sent for a few hours to the station for hurting their sentiments.

That's what it has all become. A free-for-all for goondas who conveniently use religion as an excuse to win their personal battles.

 

[CricketCartoons]

RSS have become like commies in saffron.

 

[andy0204]

RSS have become like commies in saffron.

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

I thought Christians were BFFs atm.

In the same way Tommy Robinson is BFFS with Hindus atm.

 

[Syed1]

RSS have become like commies in saffron.

Lmaooooo this post is almost like a certain poster praising IK. Did your account get 'hacked' too?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lmaooooo this post is almost like a certain poster praising IK. Did your account get 'hacked' too?

But I was praising the RSS.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you prove Money is involved? It is impossible.

The point is, the drawbacks in Hinduism will be well exploited by Abrahamic faiths. You cannot stop it.

It is already being stopped.

Foreign missionaries are now being deported for breaking visa rules. Its not italian aunty season any more.

Christian population in India is around 2.3% and has been hovering around that figure since 1951. Its because most people convert for money and then go back to their old gods at home

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are not subhuman. They were not simply considered Hindus as they do not fall under caste system. Hence it was considered impure to touch Dalits.

Most Christians that converted to Christianity After British arrived are Dalit. In the past few years though, they have been converting to Buddhism. Missionaries and Dawah people are competing hard for converts.

It’s a 3 way battle between Buddhism, Islam and Christianity.

Even in Pakistan, many Dalits still remain Hindus right? I guess it’s not easy to forget hundreds of years of culture.

Dalits are hindus. Shudras in the medieval caste system as per manusmriti

 

[cricketjoshila]

He has done the same golmal deals and built temples, handed over land to Hindu trusts. That doesn't bother you I suppose.





Now read this



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Due to its inherent open nature, Hinduism has so many gods and anything can be considered worthy of worship. Tomorrow I could be sitting on a rock somewhere and some BJP posters here who know my views could get me sent for a few hours to the station for hurting their sentiments.

That's what it has all become. A free-for-all for goondas who conveniently use religion as an excuse to win their personal battles.

If he has done some golmaal in temples, let it be brought to light. Right now the congress govts are more known for taking away temple using HRCE act.

Just because christians lived in the area since 1600s, the hill belongs to them? Hindus have been living here for 1000s of years.

 

[big_gamer007]

Basically all the jobless people can now go and protest against everything and say it's their right to protest. This is a legal issue, let the court decide if it is illegal to build the statue then it should not be built, if it is legal then all the protesters should be ignored, if they try to damage any property or cause any misadventure then should be sent to jail and penalized. The organisation supporting them should also face charges and should be disbanded if many such cases arise.

The above is the ideal situation how these kind of issues should be tackled.

However, in current environment these issues are used to polarize and divide for political gain.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Basically all the jobless people can now go and protest against everything and say it's their right to protest. This is a legal issue, let the court decide if it is illegal to build the statue then it should not be built, if it is legal then all the protesters should be ignored, if they try to damage any property or cause any misadventure then should be sent to jail and penalized. The organisation supporting them should also face charges and should be disbanded if many such cases arise.

The above is the ideal situation how these kind of issues should be tackled.

However, in current environment these issues are used to polarize and divide for political gain.

You think the protestors against CAA should have gone to court instead and they were jobless for protesting on the streets?

 

[IAJ]

You would have thought with all the hate against Modi he would personally intervene and make the plans go ahead as it will please his western masters and he can show the rest of the World that there are no issues with minorities in India.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You would have thought with all the hate against Modi he would personally intervene and make the plans go ahead as it will please his western masters and he can show the rest of the World that there are no issues with minorities in India.

Modi ji only wants to be correct, not politically correct.

 

[pillionrider]

Just because christians lived in the area since 1600s, the hill belongs to them?

No. But because of this.

The first record of Christian worship at Kapalabetta in recent history dates back to 1906 when a path of the cross and a cross were installed by Fr. Lazarus. “That year, the village performed a play ‘Yesu Kristana Padugalu mattu Punaruthana’, written by a teacher Innasappa on Good Friday. In an unbroken tradition, the play is performed on the hillock every Good Friday since then. It is like our village fair and there is a belief that if the play is not completed, it brings misfortune to the village. So we ensure it is completed,” said Rita Reeni, a resident.

The play and the fair is an annual attraction to non-Christian villagers around as well. “It is an annual calendar event in the region. Many of us also go and participate,” said Basavarajaiah, a resident of Nallahalli, a neighbouring village. “There is a belief among the Hindus that giving muni (sacrifice) to the Cross on the hillock brings good fortune,” he said.

Wasn't this the same logic used for the Ram Mandir initially? That Hindus believed it was the birthplace and had been praying there despite no temple.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modi ji only wants to be correct, not politically correct.

Kudos to him for that then. But will be interesting to see what his vision of correct ends up looking like. Taliban also wanted to make a correct version of a pure Islamic nation, only a concerted effort by the allied western forces prevented them from establshing a glorious Islamic era which would have had PC western countries trailing in their wake.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Kudos to him for that then. But will be interesting to see what his vision of correct ends up looking like. Taliban also wanted to make a correct version of a pure Islamic nation, only a concerted effort by the allied western forces prevented them from establshing a glorious Islamic era which would have had PC western countries trailing in their wake.

You may measure development in material terms, for me development is spiritual, which can only be done by overthrowing western evils like democracy, capitalism and consumerism and implementing the laws made by God Almighty Bhagwan ji on these lands.

 

[PakLFC]

Modi in America just some months back told us "India vich sab changa si". Our neighbourly friends here remain in denial of all these things that are happening next door instead focusing on Pakistan. "Go to Pakistan" if they don't like this statue or build an even bigger one of Modi to show how he is tolerating the Messiah! Going going India now you will even upset the Christian west as well should you persist in this act.

 

[troodon]

Dalits are hindus. Shudras in the medieval caste system as per manusmriti

Dalits accepted Hinduism over a period of time. They had their own beliefs and those beliefs were slowly integrated into Hinduism.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dalits accepted Hinduism over a period of time. They had their own beliefs and those beliefs were slowly integrated into Hinduism.

No. Not true.

Dalits are Shudras. The word Dalit was first used only in late 19th century.

 

[troodon]

No. Not true.

Dalits are Shudras. The word Dalit was first used only in late 19th century.

Dalits are not shudras. Shudras are the 4th varna. It includes Land owners, farmers, Gold Smiths, Weavers, soldiers etc.

Dalits are out castes. They are called Panchams as in the 5th caste which is the outcaste. They are the purest form of Indians including the Tribals.

 

[Technics 1210]

Further confirmation of the truth behind Hindutva - a nazi cult.

 

[troodon]

Further confirmation of the truth behind Hindutva - a nazi cult.

Not so fast Mister. Hindus have nothing against Jews.

Jew hating is no where found in Hinduism.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not so fast Mister. Hindus have nothing against Jews.

Jew hating is no where found in Hinduism.

Agreed. If anything it seems to me that Nazism was more likely inspired by Hindu principles expanded to racial superiority rather than caste. There is probably some crossover as well, Hindutva itself will probably have some racial connotations. In fact Judaism itself is the same when politicised under the umbrella of Zionism.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Hindu extremists beating Christian pastors. Police were at the scene to protect the extremists!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raipur police today called two Christian pastors on a complaint of RW that they were converting Hindus.<br>Soon RW goons barged into the thana and beat up the pastors in the presence of policemen.<br><br>"If Christians are not safe even in thanas, what can we expect," a pastor told me. <a href="https://t.co/uE1Za9L1Lc">pic.twitter.com/uE1Za9L1Lc</a></p>— Ashutosh Bhardwaj (@ashubh) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashubh/status/1434518238205861888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No fringe this.<br><br>BJP's youth wing tomorrow holding rally against 'religious conversions and love jehad' in Bilaspur, the second largest city of Chhattisgarh & the seat of High Court. <br><br>(Correction: they were three pastors -- Ankush Bariyekar, Harish Sahu, Prakash Masih). <a href="https://t.co/EjVHXiwiMQ">pic.twitter.com/EjVHXiwiMQ</a></p>— Ashutosh Bhardwaj (@ashubh) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashubh/status/1434533248730742793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>